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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 10:19:09 AM | Religion is the motivation, and the excuse. And it does NOT lessen it's CULPABILITY in these acts. You may want to try and poo poo it, remove the religion from the people and you remove the excuse and motivation, and the CAUSE.
I also note, no evidence to support your statements in your last post, nor the one prior... you are simply preaching at this point. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 10:26:35 AM | I thinks it quite clear that man is the prime mover in evil - whatever justification he uses is just a way of making it right in their minds. To quote the NT true religion is this:-
(James 1:27 ) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 10:57:16 AM |
I thinks it quite clear that man is the prime mover in evil - whatever justification he uses is just a way of making it right in their minds. To quote the NT true religion is this:-
So now it's the "No True Scotsman Fallacy". No true religion would do this or that....
Remove the religious dogma, doctrine, exclusivity, and indoctrination that come with religion, and you eliminate the prime factor in these wars and atrocities. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:06:15 AM |
So now it's the "No True Scotsman Fallacy". No true religion would do this or that....
Remove the religious dogma, doctrine, exclusivity, and indoctrination that come with religion, and you eliminate the prime factor in these wars and atrocities
Lame :
Try a "No true Orangeman fallacy"  | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:20:43 AM | So now it's the "No True Scotsman Fallacy". No true religion would do this or that....
Remove the religious dogma, doctrine, exclusivity, and indoctrination that come with religion, and you eliminate the prime factor in these wars and atrocities.
So lets see, say I am the president of some country that wants the resources of another country. The people of my country will not rally under a flag of religion to invade or even just plain expansion, therefore it is impossible for me to rally them under the flag of being attacked by another country. Then once the spark of attack has ignited the fire add the fuel of religion to fan the flames.
It is nice to know that Iraq and Afghanistan are not in a war right now.
It is also good to know that those Tibetan monks are bringing the war on themselves with their religion. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:32:04 AM |
Why do you beat your wife? God told me to. Oh that makes sense I want to beat my wife too.
Why do you hate the Jews? God told me to.
Why do you hate the West? God told me to.
Why do you hate Muslims? God told me to.
Not even CLOSE to being good enough.
The people flying airplanes into buildings are not the kind of salad bar theists you see in America. They're hardcore fundamentalists who take their faith VERY seriously. If they didn't believe there were virgins waiting on the other side, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:37:40 AM | The people flying airplanes into buildings are not the kind of salad bar theists you see in America. They're hardcore fundamentalists who take their faith VERY seriously.
And hardcore Yanks taking their faith in oil very seriously fly smart bombs into the buildings in Baghdad..
Edit - Free Tibet - where was the freedom loving nations of the world when the communist Chinese went a waltzing in there - oh yes, funding cheap labour in that country and making a "killing" while doing so. Oil never forget you..... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:45:05 AM | Lame :
Try a "No true Orangeman fallacy"
Couldn't agree more.
So try presenting a half decent argument instead of immature taunts and the "Buh buh but no it ISN't" defense....
And hardcore Yanks taking their faith in oil very seriously fly smart bombs into the buildings in Baghdad..
Edit - Free Tibet - where was the freedom loving nations of the world when the communist Chinese went a waltzing in there - oh yes, funding cheap labour in that country and making a "killing" while doing so. Oil never forget you.....
Irrelevant and off topic. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:49:18 AM | Actually not off topic - Religion is not the True evil in the world - The American Industrial Military complex is, and those that support it.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 12:07:59 PM |
Actually not off topic - Religion is not the True evil in the world - The American Industrial Military complex is, and those that support it.
FIne then, evidence... prove it is the TRUE evil.
At least we can realise that religion plays it's part sometimes... like reasonable people, unlijke the above | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 12:11:43 PM | At least we can realise that religion plays it's part sometimes... like reasonable people, unlijke the above
I agree religion can play a part - but if you look at the message of the NT there is no justification for using it for anything other than "loving your neighbour as yourself" - not for any reason for war - So to use Christianity as a guise for war is an abuse of that system of belief - Democracy is a great idea - but it is abused by those that are in it - does that make democracy bad in itself?? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 12:26:00 PM | "Religion is the True EVIL in the world"
Over zealous religion is the problem. The forcing of ones beliefs on unwilling recipients . The "I'm right your wrong" attitude is the problem.
I'm not religious, but I do respect other beliefs as long as they have no affect on me.
I believe that religion in it's earliest form was probably a tool used to create social order, a form of law. I bit a of a scared straight program with the proverbial boogie man under the bed to punish those who did not conform.
The problem is that those who were in power in each religion over the years have rewritten the rules to suite the own agendas, or split from the flock to create there own groups.
Thousands of years have past creating thousands of groups who feel their boogie man is all powerful and correct is bound to create tensions.
Everyone should worry about themselves and how they live there lives and leave their neighbors alone. This simple act could relieve much of the religious tension.
I also think that many involved in organized religions are hypocrites. They claim allegiance to the entity of there choosing, then live there lives going against many of the teachings. Then beg for forgiveness one day a week and go home feeling all fuzzy and warm inside because they have "faith".
I've solved enough of the worlds problems for now. I'll step of my soap box and hand it off to the next person. LOL | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 1:05:55 PM | I agree religion can play a part - but if you look at the message of the NT there is no justification for using it for anything other than "loving your neighbour as yourself" - not for any reason for war - So to use Christianity as a guise for war is an abuse of that system of belief - Democracy is a great idea - but it is abused by those that are in it - does that make democracy bad in itself??
The topic is NOT "christianity" is the True EVIL in the world. But religion. That means more than just christianity, so don't try to make it out to be we are picking on the christians.
So I take it you can't prove that the US military complex is the TRUE evil in the world??
Evasion noted.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 1:17:49 PM | Religion is often used as a justification for commiting evil acts but it is not the evil itself. Even atheists are capable of evil, even atheist states can commit evil.
Evil does not descriminate and will gladly use any excuse/rationale.
I suspect that greed might be the truest evil...
but then again it all boils down to fear. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 1:35:40 PM |
The topic is NOT "christianity" is the True EVIL in the world. But religion. That means more than just christianity, so don't try to make it out to be we are picking on the christians.
So I take it you can't prove that the US military complex is the TRUE evil in the world??
Evasion noted..
No evasion intended - Not trying to make the thread out to be more than Christianity, just using it as one example.
Lets take the Island of Fiji for example - Hindu's, Christians and Native spiritually exists there - what was the big problem about there a few years ago ?? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 1:45:52 PM |
I'm not religious, but I do respect other beliefs as long as they have no affect on me.
I'm the same way.A person could fashion a god out of a polyurethaned dog turd for all I care,build a church around it and attend services every day if they want.But don't allow the dogma to influence politics,foreign policy ,health care,education or anything else that's important to the rest of us.
Trouble is,that's NOT what's happening.Radical Islamic states and Fundamentalist Christians are defining politics and foreign policy and it's at the root of all of the problems.
I think it's time for rationalists(not necessarily atheists,but not excluding them either),to step up and say,"OK party's over.You guys were cute in your day,but now it's time to put away your suicide bombs and Halloween costumes,leave abortion clinics alone,have a nice cup of shut the fuk up on stem cell research and other science related issues and start paying taxes like the rest of us." | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 1:57:04 PM |
"OK party's over.You guys were cute in your day,but now it's time to put away your tax shelters, bombs and military costumes, leave us hippies alone, have a nice cup of shut the fuk up on doing drugs and other pharmacological related issues and start paying taxes like the rest of us.  | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:10:39 PM | Well, this is starting to get beyond ridiculous.
We have participants trying to minimalize the role religion plays in some wars and atrocities, with the "it's not really religion, but man using religion" cop out. Religion is the motivation, seems people keep forgetting that. Not only on a large scale, but small scale too. Without the indoctrination, dogma, exclusivity, and fervor that religion brings, those issues that are of contention are eliminated. Are there other motivations that cause man to treat each other like sh*t? OF COURSE there are, but that is not the topic. the_reverend mentioned something else being the cause of TRUE evil, because the topic does include "TRUE" evil (whatever that is..???), I guess it's some thing to chat over. For those of you who would be inclined to blame atheists for bad things, just because religion is under the microscope so to speak... well guess what, too true, it happens YES (gasp !!). At the least, some atheist, somewhere has done evil deeds, but that's not the topic. Of course when we wish to examine some instances where religion was a prime, or even a partial motivating factor, we get bogged down with fallacy upon fallacy, not only in clear thinking, imo, but in the facts as well.
As for the_reverend, I seriously doubt you can prove that the US mil complex is the TRUE evil in the world by citing a few things they may have done. You have already started to fail by NOT defining TRUE evil.... that is why I keep captilizing it, and Idoubt you can get a definition of TRUE evil.. is that opposite FAKE evil, PARTIALLY TRUE evil??? What is it? The best I daresay you can come up with is what TRUE evil means to you... and you know what? All that would be is opinion, big deal. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:18:42 PM |
As for the_reverend, I seriously doubt you can prove that the US mil complex is the TRUE evil in the world by citing a few things they may have done. You have already started to fail by NOT defining TRUE evil.... that is why I keep captilizing it, and Idoubt you can get a definition of TRUE evil.. is that opposite FAKE evil, PARTIALLY TRUE evil??? What is it? The best I daresay you can come up with is what TRUE evil means to you... and you know what? All that would be is opinion, big deal.
What a joke - the thread claims religion is the TRUE in the world - I have yet to see that proven - all I see is opinions - and in your own words big deal!!!
I would tell you what the real evil in the world is but you wouldn't accept it, the American Industrial Military Complex is just one manifestation of it - and it is not religiously motivated.  | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:29:42 PM |
What a joke - the thread claims religion is the TRUE in the world - I have yet to see that proven - all I see is opinions - and in your own words big deal!!!
You are so full of logical fallacies it's not even funny anymore. Where did I
EVER claim that religion was the TRUE evil... eh? Where did ANYONE EVER claim that religion was the TRUE evil besides the OP??? Oh wait, YOU claimed there was something that was the TRUE evil in this world, the US mil complex, but now:
I would tell you what the real evil in the world is but you wouldn't accept it, the American Industrial Military Complex is just one manifestation of it - and it is not religiously motivated.
What we have here is the pre-emptive cop out: "you wouldn't believe me if I told you " BS. Not at all surprised. But you go ahead, blame the US and the "american military industrial complex"... btw, did you guys pay back all of those "Lend/Lease" goodies to the US military industrial complex?
Quite frankly, if was an american, I'd be inclined to tear you a new one after reading this BS you're pedalling. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:35:48 PM | You are so full of logical fallacies it's not even funny anymore. Where did I
EVER claim that religion was the TRUE evil... eh? Where did ANYONE EVER claim that religion was the TRUE evil besides the OP??? Oh wait, YOU claimed there was something that was the TRUE evil in this world, the US mil complex, but now:
Haha - Did I claim that you claimed that religion was the TRUE evil in the world??
I still say that the USMC is the true evil currently in the world - its true along with with all other evils - I did not say its the only TRUE evil 
Kicks da ball back over to the ..... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:48:13 PM | To say a things good or evil is a moral judgment depending on your cultural upbringing. In some cannibalistic tribes it is very moral to take in a member of another tribe and befriend, only to eat them that night. Evil exists on in the mind of humans, because they have been taught what is right and wrong. Remove humans for the equation and evil does not exist, only the balance of nature.
Religion is not evil, any more than a speck of sand is evil. War is not evil, it is a balance of nature to curve overpopulation. Some people are born with out a conscious and kill. They are not evil, rather a freak of nature. Some are born with a chemical imbalance, are they evil. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 4:25:14 PM | Remove humans for the equation and evil does not exist, only the balance of nature.
Where your "equation" hits a stumbling block is that humans DO exist, therefore so does evil.
Religion is not evil, any more than a speck of sand is evil.
Some of you STILL don't get it... religion MOTIVATES... I say again.... MOTIVATES some people to do evil things.
War is not evil, it is a balance of nature to curve overpopulation.
Really?? Does that mean there were too many jews before WWII ?
Too many americans before the civil war? How come the US doesn't have another one? The population has dramatically increased since the last one...
Sir, you have just surpassed scorpiomover AND teh_reverend......
Kicks da ball back over to the .....
Well.. it just doesn't get anymore elementary or childish than the above. If the pile of logical fallacies and claims of "Teh Satanic Illuminatis" isn't enough........
Be back later with some pertinent info on religion and conflicts. | |
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