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 The_Reverend

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 301
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 4:31:38 PM

Be back later with some pertinent info on religion and conflicts.

Always a pleasure to play "footy" with ya....do bring on the facts - then I can dispute instead of playing verbal soccer...

What about the Fiji challenge ??
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 302
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:01:17 PM
So here is reference in regard to how religion can motivate people to do evil things. Keep in mind that many of the larger scale acts are committed by extremists and fundies.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/relhateex.htm

Islam:
As an organized group:


One such group claiming the right to kill is Hamas (Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya), which is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist militant organization. They are listed as terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Israel, and the United States. Hamas attacks against Israel have included large-scale suicide bombings, such as that of the Netanya hotel in 2002, in which 29 people were killed and 133 were wounded. Hamas has used female suicide bombers, including a mother of six. In recruiting the bombers, Hamas leaders taught that the perpetrators of suicide missions would receive in heaven seventy virgins and seventy wives (some put the numbers at seventy-two; others suggest that promised virgins are a mistranslation of the Qur'an; the actual reward is seventy dates or an other fruit). Their families received a cash payment that used to be worth 12 to 15 thousand US dollars. In 2002, funds from Iraq and Saudi Arabia doubled this amount.


From the leadership:


The Shi’a Iranian leader and holy man Ayatollah Khomeini is quoted by Amir Taheri to have said:

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country of the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those (who say this) are witless. Islam says: Kill the unbelievers just as they would kill you! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter. … Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! … Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other psalms and Hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who made such a claim."


as well, a list of acts either primarily, or in part, motivated by a religion:


The religiously motivated bombings and attacks by terrorist Muslim groups are too numerous to be listed. Among them are:
-2005: Delhi bombing (over 60 killed, over 180 injured); Sharm el-Sheikh bombing (64 killed).
-2005: London Underground bombing (53 killed, nearly 700 injured).
-2004: Beslan school occupation by Chechens (344 civilians killed, incl. 186 children).
-2004: Madrid trains bombing (191 killed, 1,460 injured).
-2002: Bali nightclub bombing (202 killed, 300 injured).
-2001: World Trade Center and Pentagon crashed into (nearly 3,000 dead).
-1998: U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania bombings (225 dead, over 400 injured);
-1988: Lockerbie crash (killed 259 aboard the plane, 11 on the ground).
-1983: U.S. Embassy in Beirut bombing (63 killed);
-1983: Beirut U.S. military barracks suicide bombing (241 killed);
-1983: Beirut French military barrack suicide bombing (58 killed).

Terrorist attacks also occur within predominately Islamic countries -- generally between the Sunni and the Shia in both Iraq and Pakistan.


From judaism:


Jewish terrorist actions are performed on a much smaller scale, and are limited to the Near East. (The Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world population.) However, the sentiment behind those actions appears to be similar to the sentiment governing the Islamist attacks:

Karen Armstrong notes that in 1980 Rabbi Israel Hess published an article entitled "Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah" in the official magazine of the Bar-Ilan University. In it he argued that:

"the Palestinians were to the Jews what darkness was to light, and that they deserved the same fate as the Amalekites". 3

And just what fate is that? According to 1 Samuel 15:3 the Hebrews were told:

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Among the best known cases of Jewish terrorism is the 1994 machine-gunning of Moslem worshippers at a mosque in the town of Hebron. A single terrorist killed 29 people and wounded about 150 before being killed himself. The killer, Baruch Goldstein, was an American medical doctor and a devoted follower of Rabbi Meier Kahane. He became a hero to the extremists, and the marble plaque on his grave reads: "To the holy Baruch Goldstein, who gave his life for the Jewish people, the Torah, and the Nation of Israel".

Among the cases involving less loss of life are:
-Unsuccessful attempts to destroy the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aksqa Mosque in Jerusalem, combined with the killing of Muslim worshipers at the site,
-The killing of three and wounding of 33 students during a noon-time assault of Israeli terrorists on an Islamic college in Hebron in 1985. In the latter case, the terrorists had rabbinic dispensation.
-The killing of the Israel’s Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin by a Jewish religious fanatic Yigal Amir was motivated by the Israeli-Palestinian accords. Extremist rabbis had reportedly ruled that the Prime Minister deserved to die because of his role in these accords.


Christianity:


Violent attacks by Christians:

Although most expressions of intolerance by Christians have been verbal, there have been some instances of violence, including:
-The 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, OK, by Timothy McVeigh killed 168, including 19 children.
-One lynching, one attempted mass murder by stoning, and numerous fire bombings, shootings, and assaults victimized Wiccans and other Neopagans in the U.S. during the late 20th century. To our knowledge, all were perpetrated by Fundamentalist Christians. The increasing public awareness of, and knowledge about, Wicca, such attacks have reduced the frequency of these attacks to near zero over the past 25 years.
-Fundamentalist Christians have attacked Jewish centers, attempted to poison municipal water supplies, bombed abortion clinics, and assassinated abortion providers.

The members of the Christian organizations perpetrating these crimes seem to be convinced that the forces of truth wage a perennial, cosmic battle with the forces of falsehood, and that they face the challenge of protecting Christian truth by any methods available. That they are allowing Jesus’ cross to become Mithras’ sword does not occur to them. There are fewer attacks by Christians than by Muslim terrorists apparently because the former organizations are less numerous, their individual agendas differ, and that there is a lack of cooperation; their actions are not coordinated.

North American Christian groups engaged in violent action are often inspired by the theology of at least two major fundamentalist organizations: The Reconstructionist 5 and the Christian Identity movements.
-The Reconstructionist movement asserts that the coming reign of Jesus will abolish democracy, the separation of church and state, abortion, religious freedom, federal welfare programs, and many other features of modern society.
-Christian Identity is based on racial supremacy and biblical law. It has been the background of many extremist American movements, provides the ideological support for some America’s militias, and its ideas were most likely part of the thinking of Timothy McVeigh. 3 The most distinctive doctrine associated with Christian Identity is the belief in the Satanic origin of the Jews. They interpret the serpent in the Garden of Eden story in Genesis as the devil himself or one of his underlings. They believe that he had intercourse with Eve. This generated a line of descent from the devil, through Cain, the Edomites, and the Khazars, to contemporary Jews. Identity has fused belief in a world-wide Jewish conspiracy with that of a cosmic satanic conspiracy. 6 Jews are viewed as non-human demonic creatures who carry the devil’s capacity to work evil. 4
Christian Identity has been derived from a wayward nineteenth-century form of biblical exegesis known as British Israelism. In the last decades of the twentieth century the ideology of Christian Identity groups such as The Covenant, Sword, Arm of the Lord, The Church of Israel, Aryan Nations, Children of Yahweh, The Christian Defense League, and The Kingdom Identity Ministries, blended into their distinctive amalgam of biblical, apocalyptic, historical, anti-Semitic, racist, and conspiratorial theories. The ingredients of these theories were taken from survivalist movements, and the Patriot’s movement, and neo-Nazi variants of white supremacism. 7 Two examples should be enough to provide a taste of such thinking:
-A brochure published by Aryan Nations included this statement in their creed of faith: "We BELIEVE there is a battle being fought this day between the children of darkness (today known as Jews) and the children of Light (God), the Aryan race, the true Israel of the Bible." 4
-One of the United States most notorious right wing terrorist groups of the post-war era, the Order (otherwise known as the Silent Brotherhood, or Holy Order of Aryan Warriors) brought together militant racists from Christian Identity, a racist faction of the Odinists, and people of conventional neo-Nazi backgrounds. 7

 The_Reverend

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 303
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:18:34 PM
Violent attacks by Christians:-The 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, OK, by Timothy McVeigh killed 168, including 19 children.

Please explain how this was motivated by religion - other than the KKK
Any ass can cut and paste - lets look at McVeigh, his beliefs and motives thanks - this is were the rubber hits the road - please do inform us...
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 304
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:35:09 PM
Any ass can cut and paste - lets look at McVeigh, his beliefs and motives thanks - this is were the rubber hits the road - please do inform us...

You should try reading what is put forth... troll.

-Christian Identity is based on racial supremacy and biblical law. It has been the background of many extremist American movements, provides the ideological support for some America’s militias, and its ideas were most likely part of the thinking of Timothy McVeigh.

as well:
from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Christian Patriots
The anti-federalist, extremist tax-resistance movements, seditious beliefs, religious and racial hatred of the American militia movement and other contemporary white supremacist organizations in association with the broader Christian Patriot movement actively incorporate Christian scripture and biblical liturgy to justify and support violent activities.[105]:105–120 Timothy McVeigh who, along with his accomplice Terry Nichols, carried out the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, has admitted to a belief in Christian Patriotism and involvement in Patriot activities.[106]


He may have had help too:
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/04spring/morgan.htm

While Christian violence in the United States has been discriminately focused for decades against racial minorities and “immoral” targets, it recently has expanded into attempted bombings and poisoning municipal water supplies.36 These indiscriminate attacks demonstrate a willingness to tolerate greater levels of collateral damage in efforts to generate mass levels of casualties. The bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was the pinnacle of this trend, and although Timothy McVeigh accepted responsibility for that attack, some speculate that there was additional involvement by other conservative militia or Christian terrorists.37 Effective domestic law enforcement in the United States has largely prevented these groups from achieving widespread violence on the level of Oklahoma City, making that incident a tragic exception among a larger number of foiled plots.


Now, that's called backing up an assertion with EVIDENCE, know what that is???, something little trolls do NOT do... so I still haven't seen the big deal on "Fiji", all I have is your jabbering... and any ass can do that.
 The_Reverend

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 305
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 6:06:25 PM

-Christian Identity is based on racial supremacy and biblical law. It has been the background of many extremist American movements, provides the ideological support for some America’s militias, and its ideas were most likely part of the thinking of Timothy McVeigh.

Just regurgitating whats fallen out of some other ass.

Show me in the NT where there is any racial supremacy, or ideas for militia's - just cos some dope tries to justify it does not make it so.

and its ideas were most likely part of the thinking of Timothy McVeigh

Ya call this proof or evidence???

The anti-federalist, extremist tax-resistance movements

Ever hear the joke that Jesus told - Give unto Caesar ??

Gimme a break..any more illuminating cut and paste?? Or are ya just gonna Afartiori around on here??
 smilewouldyou

Joined: 2/14/2008
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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:08:06 PM
I think this thread has become a prime example of the strain between religion, science and politics.
The world glossary does not define the terms with a global standard. "True evil" is a very broad phrase, and rather sensational. A term that would find a home as a news headline, but has no real useful and agreed upon definition for the masses.

I agree religion is often a motivating factor in so called evil acts. With the absence of religion all beliefs do not become universal. Humans will always have differing opinions, beliefs, and desires. Stripping religion from the equation does not eliminate the evil potential we all posses. Organized religion is an attempt to regulate moral standards, but the human race can not even agree on what is or is not moral. So the entity or nonentity you blindly and unquestionably follow is of no consequence. All humans have the ability to be greedy, bitter, vindictive and evil. As well as the ability to be generous, compassionate, understanding and forgiving. The evil is more closely tied to mob mentality than the name of the organization.

So is religion the true evil? No. Is it the solution to evil? No
It's the cause, the effect, part of the problem and part of the solution all at the same time.
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 307
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 6:09:23 PM
show me in the NT where there is any racial supremacy, or ideas for militia's - just cos some dope tries to justify it does not make it so.

You still don't understand what motivation means. All you are able to do is troll and attempt to be "clever".

Gimme a break..any more illuminating cut and paste?? Or are ya just gonna Afartiori around on here??

This is about the extent of your intelligence.
Enough indulging the addle-minded...


It's the cause, the effect, part of the problem and part of the solution all at the same time.

Finally, some intelligent discourse.
As to it being the solution to the same acts it's caused, I would want to see what you mean as in an example. Have there been any religious based solutions to religiously motivated acts of violence/hatred that you can cite?
 E.Kyro

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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:19:00 PM

Have there been any religious based solutions to religiously motivated acts of violence/hatred that you can cite?


The Reformation for starters.
 The_Reverend

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 309
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 6:23:30 PM
Have there been any religious based solutions to religiously motivated acts of violence/hatred that you can cite?


I still haven't seen any religious motivation beyond McVeigh's actions, idealogical for sure - religious? Not seen any evidence offered so far.

Has there been any non-religious based solutions to non religiously motivated acts of violence/hatred?

Ya more war.....
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 310
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/18/2008 6:32:29 PM

Have there been any religious based solutions to religiously motivated acts of violence/hatred that you can cite?



The Reformation for starters.


Hmm. I would say that the reformation was more of a protest at first, and then a branching out to it's own sect due to disagreements between the catholics and guys like martin luthor. This was mainly due to the protest against indulgences, simony, and corruption within the church itself. Kyro, can you cite an actual act of violence or hatred that the reformation addressed and solved that the church started?
 smilewouldyou

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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:39:24 PM

Finally, some intelligent discourse.
As to it being the solution to the same acts it's caused, I would want to see what you mean as in an example. Have there been any religious based solutions to religiously motivated acts of violence/hatred that you can cite?


I had to laugh to myself when you asked if I could cite any examples. I am an atheist, so specific examples of religion as a positive influence are by my very nature hard to come by.

Seriously though I was speaking in general terms. I do not believe that everything tied to religion is evil, so therefore some good must come of it. I did not mean to imply that a specific religion is able to have both positive and negative effects on the same act it has perpetrated.
Organized religion can have a positive effect on the morals of the group. Although one groups moral high ground can quickly become the others battle ground and there is the problem.
Obviously as an atheist I don't feel that any religious group hold a monopoly on moral standings, but that is the one potential for a positive effect of a religion on it's followers.

Solution may have been a poor choice if words as it implies an all encompassing magic bullet. But it sounded better than "not being part of the problem".
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 312
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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:46:36 PM

I do not believe that everything tied to religion is evil, so therefore some good must come of it. I did not mean to imply that a specific religion is able to have both positive and negative effects on the same act it has perpetrated.

Definitely agree, there is also good that can come from a religion, agreed on the second point as well. As to morality, it's not so much that religion instills morals in it's followers, it's when one religion tries to proselytize, hold itself superior, and even force itself at times on others. This can make for a foundation where violence can occur.


Solution may have been a poor choice if words as it implies an all encompassing magic bullet. But it sounded better than "not being part of the problem".

Heh, understood.
 HarveyLemmings

Joined: 2/18/2008
Msg: 313
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Posted: 3/18/2008 11:21:49 PM

Show me in the NT where there is any racial supremacy


So quick to distance yourself from the OT?
 oldsoul

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Posted: 3/19/2008 8:03:59 AM
Show me in the NT where there is any racial supremacy


Aw...the famous OT god versus the god of the NT...or as Mark Twain would say...

"God, so atrocious in the Old Testament, so attractive in the New--the Jekyl and Hyde of sacred romance."
- Mark Twain -

That type of discrepancy alone in what is supposed to be the word of god makes religion evil in my opinion...evil being the word used in the OP, not mine. It only serves to further divide and confuse the masses in my opinion.



JMHO
 The_Reverend

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 315
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/19/2008 9:54:03 AM
So quick to distance yourself from the OT?

Thats why its called OLD - Christians follow the teachings found in the NT

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

The "he" is Jesus
 Nice2phku

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Posted: 3/19/2008 10:37:27 AM
Religion motivates people to do human things, i.e., emote, seek a higher power and etc. It does not cause humans to do evil, for evil is in the eye of the beholder. For example the mentioned extremist Islamic to sacrifice him/herself for the greater good, to them is good. To us, it is wrong. The discussion on morality, or what is right or wrong is an ancient topic among philosophers, politicians (ergo, prostitutes in high places), and religious persons for many a year.

I enjoy debates, evil is a self debasing feeling of guilt, making the wrong doer say, the devil made me do it, in lack of self responsibility. Evil, exists only in the mind to explain why bad things happen to good people.

An old man steps on a stick, the earth opens up and swallows him. The young man seeing what has happened to the old man standing beside him and decides it is evil to step on sticks. He runs through out the kingdom telling what has happened to the old man. He goes to the king and asks that he declare it is evil to step on sticks in that area. The king being old, fears that indeed the story might be true and he rules no one over the age of 40 may step on stick in said province. The law spread throughout the kingdom and it know by all that anyone who steps on stick over the age of 4o is doing evil and endangering all those who stand beside them. A further law is passed, saying anyone stepping on sticks over the age of 40 will be put to death, whether or not destruction persues by said offender.

Therefore, are you evil if you step on sticks and are over the age of 40? Olan
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 317
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Posted: 3/19/2008 10:45:44 AM

Thats why its called OLD - Christians follow the teachings found in the NT

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.



Just regurgitating whats fallen out of some other ass.
 The_Reverend

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 318
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:39:08 AM
^^^^^ completely predictable response -----

 Nice2phku

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Posted: 3/19/2008 2:01:51 PM
"Just regurgitating whats fallen out of some other ass."

Maybe you have stepped on too many sticks, and if you suck real hard maybe you will suck all the evil out of the world, or should I say blow. Perhaps, the subject of evil is evil. Not religion, or Christianity. Was Hitler evil, or just a short, miss guided misfit with power over people. If you inspect yourself, inside and out, (don't loose your head ) and remove all evil, what is left? Or right for that matter. Evil is a non-entity, it is lesser minds trying to blame events on others. Just asks the President.
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 320
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/19/2008 2:09:18 PM
^^^^^ completely predictable response -----


Irony.
Well, I'm sure this troll would like some more feeding, but I think his short yellow bus is awaitin'.. make sure your mitts are clipped together.


Was Hitler evil, or just a short, miss guided misfit with power over people.

So you think hitler wasn't evil? Bring your white sheets with you today?
How does a "misfit" become chancellor of germany?, because nobody wanted to vote for him, or no other party wanted to make a coalition....really now, crack a history book at least.. I suggest "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. I know, Iknow, no pictures, but at least give it a shot. Misguided you say? I suppose the fact that he wrote and layed out everything that he was about in mein kampf was because he had been misguided?? Putting it mildly dontcha think... why, got a soft spot?

If you inspect yourself, inside and out, (don't loose your head ) and remove all evil, what is left? Or right for that matter. Evil is a non-entity, it is lesser minds trying to blame events on others. Just asks the President.

Evil is what is considerd the opposite of good, simple. There are things that MOST people can agree on that were, and are evil... such as the holocaust. Well... except maybe YOU. You have previously stated to the effect that war is simply nature culling the population, therefore, to you, we can only assume the holocaust was simply a culling, and NOT attempted genocide and an atrocity based on ethnic and cultural biases.
Now, back on topic...
Next up, the inquisition and various other acts of violence and hate fueled by religion.
 Nice2phku

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Posted: 3/19/2008 2:42:55 PM
Bad is the opposite of good, evil by definition is immoral, pernicious, sinful and hurtful. Therefore, evil's opposite would be moral, sinless, harmless, well, fit, healthy and etc. Religion defines what is moral, sinless, and hopeful and thus what is evil in the world, so by saying Religion is true evil in the world is like saying the dictionary is evil because it tells us what evil is by using words to define it. When you get to the core of most discussion it is all semantics. You can not define a word without using another word, and you can not conceive of an idea with out language, therefore, language is the true evil in the world.
 crazylilting

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Msg: 322
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/19/2008 2:53:43 PM
Just thought i'd share some lyrics

Violence of truth by "the the"

What is evil? What is love?
What is the force that possesses us?
Where is the beauty? Where is the truth?
Where is the force that watches over you?

What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
(when we close our ears to the sound of machine gun)

And while the s of this world are starving
with their mouths wide open
What is it that turns the coins we throw at them
into worthless little tokens?

Why is it that anything on this earth we do not understand
We are pushed onto our knees to worship or to damn?

Those are the rules of religion
Those are the laws of the land
That's how the forces of darkness have suppressed the spirit of man

That's why human beings still walk on all fours
Whilst in the presence of their so called superiors

Somethings telling you to wake up and salute
The dangers of obedience and the violence of truth

God is evil, God is love
God is the force that possesses us
God is beauty, God is truth
God is the force that is watching over you

Can't say it any better then matt
 A Fortiori

Joined: 12/10/2007
Msg: 323
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/19/2008 3:41:30 PM
Bad is the opposite of good, evil by definition is immoral, pernicious, sinful and hurtful.

Ok captain semantic. Here's the dictionary:
from here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evil

e·vil /'iv?l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ee-vuhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
2. harmful; injurious: evil laws.
3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.

I am using it as an adjective to describe actions such as atrocities and wars. This is basically you saying TO-MAY-TO, and me saying TO-MAH-TO.


Religion defines what is moral,

Only to it's adherents. Others views on what is moral can differ. And that's how evil, or BAD acts can occur. When people are motivated by their religion and what it tells them.


you can not conceive of an idea with out language, therefore, language is the true evil in the world

So humans can't conceive of things until they've learned a language? So basically, all children are in a vegetative state until they master, let's say, english. But if they can't conceive of things in their heads, ie IDEAS, how can these vegetable children be taught a language in the first place?
So if we were all deaf, blind, mute, and paralyzed, the earth would be utopia...... I guess that's what heaven must be like then....
Wow... just wow...
what a trip....
 Nice2phku

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Posted: 3/19/2008 4:42:32 PM
"But if they can't conceive of things in their heads, ie IDEAS, how can these vegetable children be taught a language in the first place?"

They learn by learning symbols (representing words). Semantics aside, war is just a means of population control, like plague, they plague us. More people die driving cars then all the wars combined. Death is not evil, it is good, for without it we would not appreciate what we have. It temporary an fragile. Think about it before you spray your house for****oaches. Are you trying to evilly eradicate a species? If you could, that is. There will always be wars and rumors of wars, it is our way. You have something I want, I take it. Words kill more people the automobile or wars.

Personally, if we were all force to be nude all the time, hopefully in comfort, there would be no wars. So perhaps clothing causes wars. Ops, original sin, clothes, am I my brother's keeper; Abel is dead his blood cries out from the earth, long life, to you and everyone.

This is the reason we have laws, so we will not kill each other. We are still growing as a population, so; so far, so good. P.S. Think of something that has no word to describe it, then tell others about it.
 taurus516

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Posted: 3/19/2008 6:50:36 PM
It's not so much that religion is evil,in my opinion,as it is that mankind has OUTGROWN it.It's time we shed the myths and look at what's really important.People in the here and now.Problems in the here and now and how to solve them rationally without rushing to some ancient fairytale rule book.When man reaches that level of rationality,the sheer idiocy we see happening around the world done in the name of Allah or Jesus won't happen.We'll invent new reasons to do stupid sh!t.
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