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Posted: 3/28/2008 10:37:47 PM |
Is atheism a religion,
No, Atheism is the lack of belief in god/gods. For it to be a religion it would have to worship a supernatural entity[like christianity] .
Atheism tells you one thing and one thing only about a particular person and that is they have no god belief.
Creeds and faith also help us respond to changed people, forgiveness, there are many benefits. Not all religion is good, none are perfect, spirituality is much better, really spirituality is what comes close to but is not perfect. Religion is like a fossil it leaves behind after selfishness or jealousy.
An atheist can also be spiritual, no conflict there.
Preparing for Heaven makes a better Earth
Tell that to the victims of suicide bombers.
The judge is doing good work, the Christian Bible is like that. Law originates with Moses
Actually the christian Bible is an exclusive, intolerant[of non christians] book of fables written by desert dwelling tribesmen who would'nt have known equality and fairness if it had jumped up and bitten them on the backside.
Some law may have originated with Moses but certainly not any laws to do with basic human rights. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 5:16:03 AM | Spirit is not matter, and holding it exists is not very scientific. It leads to a search for a creator.
I am writing about the truth from the holy spirit and his apostles and their immediate followers and writings. That spirituality was very special, as a revivalist of those truths and spirituality, it matters to me.
Can you generalise about, all religion, are they alike?
Remember, some of the victims of the suicide bombers were religious, for want of a better world, and that may have prepared them for what they know now. For others, being spiritual stopped them going to work that day.
Are all concepts of Heaven the same? I mentioned Jesus' Gospel on clean and unclean, thoughts and love, which never harms anyone... The suicide bombers were very unclean and suicide is unclean. The concepts of justice and clean and Heaven are remarkably different!!
If study law in the western world, you study the old testament.
Equality isn't always fair. The idea that "All men are equal" is very much a religious idea coming from Jesus cross. He counted all worth dying for. While not deserving it.
Rome in ancient times was very rough, cruel and civil, all were not considered equal, justice was hard to get. Best off being a Roman citizen. The Germanic tribes were barbarians, and also worshipped gods of war and orgies, there was wife stealing in Asia... Compared to the anarchy of that world and it's cruelty, Moses was a warm light.
Jesus teaching and spiritual warfare turned Rome upside down, and Greece. A progression from Moses. Moses needed physical warfare to survive and maintain promises to Israel that Jesus spread out to all.
The Nazis hated religion, that of Jesus and Moses, renouncing it, they did not consider all men equal. Or keep clean thoughts. Great harm came from this.
The word "Jury" comes from Jewry. Judges and justice comes from Moses, it is not found in all religions. The book of Judges. Nor is repentance or forgiveness, or unconditional love. Christians not atheists were heroes of human rights, like William Wilberforce.
Martin Luther a hero for the conscience, when the religious church had lost truths and conscience. And Luther made mistakes. Also I am sure atheist gained from Jesus, Moses, William Wilberforce...
The conscience is not important in just any religion is it?
Not all religion is the same.
Our laws do come from Moses and the ten comandments, laws against incest, stealing, murder, understanding of adultery as a reason for divorce. Police may say, "We got a dirty one." There are laws against public slander and recompensations. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 7:30:55 PM | You are right, spirit is most definitely not matter. For something to be matter first of all it has to exist. I don't believe spirit exists on the grounds I see no evidence for it.
Spirituality is a different subject entirely.
Spirituality is more of a wonder or feeling at one with either a supernatural entity or [in my case] the natural universe and it's important to remember that just because one feels a certain awe when we contemplate "the mysteries of existence", this is not evidence of anything other than we feel a certain awe when we contemplate the mysteries of existence.
All religions are alike in the sense that they worship a supernatural being but apart from that they have their differences.
It's these differences that cause a lot of conflict across the globe.
In my opinion, less religion would lead to more tolerance.
Some nazis were christians dude some wer'nt. One thing we know for certain is that they were all ***holes.
Christians not atheists were heroes of human rights, like William Wilberforce.
Strongly disagree. Wilberforce was one man who had a problem with slavery. He would have felt within himself that it was a bad thing even if he had never heard of Christ.
Christians used slaves as much as anyone did.
The conscience is not important in just any religion is it?
You don't need a sky fairy to tell you something is unethical. My consience comes from society, family and my own understanding of right and wrong.
If you need religion then good for you but please don't make the mistake that the push for human rights is all because of christianity.
You seem to be a great reader of the bible. I suggest you have a good look at the old testamet. You will find if you read it properly that slavery, abuse of women and children, fear mongering, torture etc were all perfectly acceptable and directly attributable to your "loving" god. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 7:46:07 PM | I think the Bible in the light of the new testament is a great guide for the conscience that does not change with society or family. The latter have faults sometimes.
The Nazis burnt the Bible. Again some with the creed, did not have the love or conscience.
Wilberforce was influenced by John Newton formerly a murderous cruel slave trader, who repented and wrote "Amazing Grace".
The English slave trade was with cruelties such as stealing the slaves, chaining them up, raping them, dumping them off the ships if there was a storm, and they lived in their filth and died of diseases in large numbers during the journey.
Moses accepted slavery like he accepted the written dismissal of wives, they had rights. Paul wanted a gradual loss of slavery. Slaves in Rome were just a lower class of worker.
I believe Moses did not wants many things Israel demanded. Because he knew the glory of God.
<div class="quote">You seem to be a great reader of the bible. I suggest you have a good look at the old testamet. You will find if you read it properly that slavery, abuse of women and children, fear mongering, torture etc were all perfectly acceptable and directly attributable to your "loving" god.
How so? | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 7:52:22 PM |
Paul wanted a gradual loss of slavery.
I call bullsh*t. What evidence do you have that supports this claim? I expect an offered up bible passage or doctrine that is "re-interpreted" and twisted to fit the claimants claim, but let's see what happens. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 8:44:23 PM | From Philemon in the CEV new testament book. The whole chapter is better , but this is more concise.
Phm 1:7 My friend, your love has made me happy and has greatly encouraged me. It has also cheered the hearts of God's people.
Phm 1:8 Christ gives me the courage to tell you what to do.
Phm 1:9 But I would rather ask you to do it simply because of love. Yes, as someone in jail for Christ,
Phm 1:10 I beg you to help Onesimus! He is like a son to me because I led him to Christ here in jail.
Phm 1:11 Before this, he was useless to you, but now he is useful both to you and to me.
Phm 1:12 Sending Onesimus back to you makes me very sad.
Phm 1:13 I would like to keep him here with me, where he could take your place in helping me while I am here in prison for preaching the good news.
Phm 1:14 But I won't do anything unless you agree to it first. I want your act of kindness to come from your heart, and not be something you feel forced to do.
Phm 1:15 Perhaps Onesimus was taken from you for a little while so that you could have him back for good,
Phm 1:16 but not as a slave. Onesimus is much more than a slave. To me he is a dear friend, but to you he is even more, both as a person and as a follower of the Lord.
Phm 1:17 If you consider me a friend because of Christ, then welcome Onesimus as you would welcome me.
Phm 1:18 If he has cheated you or owes you anything, charge it to my account.
Phm 1:19 With my own hand I write: I, PAUL, WILL PAY YOU BACK. But don't forget that you owe me your life.
Phm 1:20 My dear friend and follower of Christ our Lord, please cheer me up by doing this for me.
Phm 1:21 I am sure you will do all I have asked, and even more. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 8:59:03 PM | Nice try, where does paul say that Onesimus should be a free man?? Your above has NOTHING to do with slavery.. all it says is that Onesimus is a christian now, and that paul would ask philimon (Onesimus' actual "master") that Onesimus (PHILIMON'S SLAVE) stay in jail with him to proselytize and convert more people to christianity, it NOWHERE mentions that Onesimus is to be a free man.. .
DO YOU understand that paul does NOT say nor indicate in any way that Onesimus is to be a freeman? All paul asks is that Onesimus remains in jail with him to do paul's bidding, that is all. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 9:23:17 PM | You are incorrect, Paul sends him back, requesting not demanding. The message is loving, and Paul calls Onesimus "more than a slave." Paul asks for clemency. Paul is not a forceful revolutionary, but here is a seed of a clemency rich slow turning of the ancient world.
So here is an edit, verse 16, more than a slave. A short passage, Paul is appealing for clemency, calling Onesimus an equal. A letter written for the church.
Vs 14, asks for kindness. Vs 17, he is equal. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 9:27:18 PM | You are incorrect, Paul sends him back, requesting not demanding. The message is loving, and Paul calls Onesimus "more than a slave." Paul asks for clemency. Paul is not a forceful revolutionary, but here is a seed of a clemency rich slow turning of the ancient world.
Where is the passage that proves this? I notice you did not include it in your response. Here is one:
The epistles of paul
Ephesians 6:5-9:
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
Paul did not care about the slaves earthly predicament, only their supposed spiritual place. As far as paul was concerned, a slave was a slave, but a christian slave was something a little bit more, a christian "brother", but still a slave.
You still have yet to support your claim... | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 9:45:33 PM | The master in Heaven is neither a repector of persons. From the quote you added.
Can you support your claim that Paul thought of slaves a lesser people? You passage from Ephesians shows God thinks of them as equals, as in Philemon.
They have less good status in the world, and may earn less.
Was Paul equipped to change the workforce? Paul wanted a change to kindness at heart, as in Philemon, and this would slowly change society in business. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 9:59:25 PM | Can you support your claim that Paul thought of slaves a lesser people? You passage from Ephesians shows God thinks of them as equals, as in Philemon.
They have less good status in the world, and may earn less.
Was Paul equipped to change the workforce? Paul wanted a change to kindness at heart, as in Philemon, and this would slowly change society in business.
Nice try again..
Please support your claim that paul wished to rid slavery.. you have not and simply engaged in cheap debating tactics... shifting burden of proof etc.. AND as seen in your above statement, apologetics in regard to paul and slavery.. and not very good apologetics at that either..
Show where paul CLEARLY says that there should be an end to slavery.. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 10:17:10 PM | Paul called Onesimus more than a slave, and was willing to pay his debts. Paul would not making sweeping political but spiritual statements. He asked for kindness and clemency, in large numbers, the church. He wanted to convert whole cities and countries. To add to the conscience and add faith and love to the people's hearts.
Paul said God is no respector of persons.
Rom 13:1 Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.
Rom 13:2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
Rom 13:3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it.
Rom 13:4 After all, they are God's servants, and it is their duty to help you. If you do something wrong, you ought to be afraid, because these rulers have the right to punish you. They are God's servants who punish criminals to show how angry God is.
Rom 13:5 But you should obey the rulers because you know it is the right thing to do, and not just because of God's anger.
Rom 13:6 You must also pay your taxes. The authorities are God's servants, and it is their duty to take care of these matters.
Rom 13:7 Pay all that you owe, whether it is taxes and fees or respect and honor.
Rom 13:8 Let love be your only debt! If you love others, you have done all that the Law demands.
Rom 13:9 In the Law there are many commands, such as, "Be faithful in marriage. Do not murder. Do not steal. Do not want what belongs to others." But all of these are summed up in the command that says, "Love others as much as you love yourself."
Rom 13:10 No one who loves others will harm them. So love is all that the Law demands.
Rom 13:11 You know what sort of times we live in, and so you should live properly. It is time to wake up. You know that the day when we will be saved is nearer now than when we first put our faith in the Lord.
Rom 13:12 Night is almost over, and day will soon appear. We must stop behaving as people do in the dark and be ready to live in the light.
Rom 13:13 So behave properly, as people do in the day. Don't go to wild parties or get drunk or be vulgar or indecent. Don't quarrel or be jealous.
Rom 13:14 Let the Lord Jesus Christ be as near to you as the clothes you wear. Then you won't try to satisfy your selfish desires.
This is what Paul said politically.
From such passages I gather Paul wanted gradual change. Not revolution here and now, but he even preached to governors. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 10:29:22 PM | From such passages I gather Paul wanted gradual change.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. You're own source supports my contention.. here are the pertinent quotes:
Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.
Hardly an emancipation proclamation.. In fact, god is the appointer of slavemasters according to this quote..
People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
So people who opposed slavers in those days, ie slave owners, opposed god?? Basically just shutup and do as your told..
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Posted: 3/30/2008 4:09:40 AM |
I think the Bible in the light of the new testament is a great guide for the conscience that does not change with society or family. The latter have faults sometimes
Yes they do have faults, wonderful human faults. Once these faults are recognised, then they can be changed for the better. This essentially, is what democratic societies do, they tweak and oil the machinery that strives for a better life for everyone.
It's only because we have faults that we recognise we can improve.
Your whole spiel revolves around how christianity and the bible have made our lives better.
Throw them both away dude, you don't need them.
Are you really saying that without them you would not be a tolerant, productive, law abiding member of society?
We are human, we are not perfect, but we are less perfect for allowing delusional thoughts about imaginary deities run rampant through society.
How so?
If you read your bible thoroughly you would see that it should still be acceptable to-
Sell your children into slavery [exodus 21:7]
Possess slaves [Lev 25:44]
Kill another human for working on the sabbath [Exodus 35:2]
Argue against another persons sexuality [Lev 18:22]
Murder two men for making love [Lev 20:13]
Not trim your beard [Lev 19:27]
Where is it written that God quashed these Holy laws?
Areyou not disobeying God himself for ignoring these rules? | |
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Posted: 3/30/2008 4:10:26 AM | Jesus fought for the heart, unlike David who fought for land and soveriegnty. Paul was one of Jesus officers.
Paul preached to those rulers. Even Nero was in Paul's sights but Nero was a psychopath and had Peter and Paul killed.
The quote does not say God appoints slave masters, that was commerce, Paul writes about government and police. To whom he preached as well.
Certainly there have been unacceptable governors, like Nero. Also Stalin and Hitler.
Paul was not endorsing cruel slavery, or his murder. Read in it's context and that of benevolence.
Common sense, Paul was writing about fair governors and police, and in favour or revolutions in the heart much, much preferable to with the sword according to Paul's master Jesus, who taught, that he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Paul asks Philemon to consider Onesimus and equal, to treat him kindly, to consider him as Paul himself, to whom Philemon owes his life. And does not try to free Onesimus and sends him back at that. When did slavery finish in ancient Greece? Why?
For Evolve62
Exo 21:1 The LORD gave Moses the following laws for his people:
Exo 21:2 If you buy a Hebrew slave, he must remain your slave for six years. But in the seventh year you must set him free, without cost to him.
Exo 21:3 If he was single at the time you bought him, he alone must be set free. But if he was married at the time, both he and his wife must be given their freedom.
Exo 21:4 If you give him a wife, and they have children, only the man himself must be set free; his wife and children remain the property of his owner.
Exo 21:5 But suppose the slave loves his wife and children so much that he won't leave without them.
Exo 21:6 Then he must stand beside either the door or the doorpost at the place of worship, while his owner punches a small hole through one of his ears with a sharp metal rod. This makes him a slave for life.
Exo 21:7 A young woman who was sold by her father doesn't gain her freedom in the same way that a man does.
Exo 21:8 If she doesn't please the man who bought her to be his wife, he must let her be bought back. He cannot sell her to foreigners; this would break the contract he made with her.
Exo 21:9 If he selects her as a wife for his son, he must treat her as his own daughter.
Exo 21:10 If the man later marries another woman, he must continue to provide food and clothing for the one he bought and to treat her as a wife.
Exo 21:11 If he fails to do any of these things, she must be given her freedom without cost.
Jesus said that Moses gaves such laws because their hearts were hard, and it was not so from the beginning.
The root of Moses word is YAH who is love, and his light shines through Moses as a light distant at the end of a tunnel. Jesus is the light as the morning at the end mouth of the tunnel.
Homosexuality is not marriage and loving as intended, it is lustful, often cruel to parents, like the Heches. It is not the original design, a rebellion, Moses was extremely strict about everything that threatened God's promises, which for us is the coming of Jesus.
Homosexuality has only the semblance of kindness to maybe only one other person. It is only for self indulgence, and for the other's. They can become attached as to wives in eachother, and we are only to be attached to one other person, who is attached to us from the opposite sex, in mature age , with parents' consent. Our seed is theirs... They love us, taught us, fed us... Have wisdom, at least they should.
It dishonours both men, and their union/s make them inseparate in presence, maybe fifteen or more men, so it is unholy, it is also foul for the character as well as the history of the body and soul.
Like Mary Magdalen, they need repent, to kindness, unselfishness, singular commitment, honour, character change, separateness from uncleaness and the world to Jesus.
The unleaness destroys life, love, and friendship, with mum and dad and the future spouse, and marriage and honour, trust and sanctity, character and presence, ego, esteem, it is unjust. It threatened Israel, at a time when there was little grace, and the nation would dramatically fall into sin.
Jesus is greater than Moses, and Mary's repentance is a good fruit of Jesus.
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Posted: 3/30/2008 6:13:26 AM | How did a point about slavery get turned into gay bashing? LOL!
Jesus is greater than Moses
And all the way up the hierarchy to God, right? Sounds a little bit like a dictatorship to me... The way I follow says that nobody is "greater" than anybody else.
Dictating to people can take away their freedom of expressing who they are and shorten the fullfillment of their true potential... As long as they are a compassionate society, ethical treatment of others will come naturally.
I still don't think religion is "evil" but using fear and/or pity to persuade someone to believe like you do is just unethical in a compassionate society.
Our laws do come from Moses and the ten comandments
Which were taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead and Sun worship... Decent guidelines but still. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2008 6:55:24 AM | Paul was not endorsing cruel slavery, or his murder.
You still have not pointed out where paul asks philemon to set onesimus free. As I have already pointed out to you, the only "equality" that paul sees in onesimus is that he is christian like paul. It does not say anything, not a word, about making onesimus a free man. He does not endorse cruel slavery for onesimus, but it is slavery nonetheless, we could call it paul-approved slavery.
The quote does not say God appoints slave masters, that was commerce, Paul writes about government and police. To whom he preached as well.
No, paul says rulers and does not specify which type of rulers. Could very well have been government people, but as well slave owners. You are trying to show that paul wanted to get rid of slavery, even if "rulers" meant government officials, why would you use those passages from romans in the first place, what have they to do with emancipating slaves? In fact, those passages are emphasizing obedience to people in power, not encouraging freedom..
Again, you have not shown that paul wanted to end slavery. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2008 7:23:34 AM | Jesus was the greater light, and love,
Joh 1:16 For of his fulness we all received, and grace for grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
We revolve around the creator, so for light, love and friendship with god, none is greater than Jesus. He gives freedom from uncleaness and thus we can express ourselves...
Fear is not good, but pity, not self pity is fine.
In terms of love and relationship, and honour, and sanctity and trust, and justice, and ego and esteem, I was pointing out that fornication and adultery are harmful.
I think uncleaness will spoil true potential, but for Jesus and repentance. So much power in Jesus blood! Recovery.
Moses did away with sinners, Jesus recovered sinners.
We need justice balanced with mercy not only compassion, yes comassion too, and agreeing with this changing society, Paul's work was fruitful to abolish slavery after a time, a kindly revolution, relevant since religion coming from Paul helped not evil but good.
Dictating to people can take away their freedom of expressing who they are and shorten the fullfillment of their true potential... As long as they are a compassionate society, ethical treatment of others will come naturally.
Hinduism says it is a religion of compassion, that too is a helpful religion in some ways, in some places, compassion on people, in relevant groups, in depth according to their needs, and ones own power. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2008 8:36:34 AM | Every religion, which seek out God, or their "ideal" of God is good. In my opinion there is only one God, call It what you may; the Universe, Allah, Yahweh, or Nothingness. To be God, It, has to be prime mover, the one who started all existence. I except all the different concept of God and am a spiritualist. I have a spirit and know their is more to existence than what is seen by the eyes. After all, your eyes cannot see all spectrum of light, therefore, one can not see all things. To me the spirit is just a real as the body and is eternal and is doom to repeat life over and over again until it reaches enlightenment.
Everything you see are wave lengths of light being reflected back to from an object. The object itself is made of atoms which, are 99.9999% nothingness, and the rest are are electron, hadron, leptons, baryons, and quarks/penta-quarks. The quarks and anti-quarks are charmed energy at the core of a nucleus and are "glued" together by gluons which, have no mass.
The electrons have, the smallest of particles have a neg. half spend and because of the weirdness of the their moment build shells around the nucleus to make matter. In light, which also has mass, the electron does not have this weirdness and have a full spin and do not create a full spin, and thus do not build shells.
So if everything is reduced to energy, then what is energy but a force, and what is a force but a push and what is a push, but the voice of God. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2008 10:58:03 AM |
So if everything is reduced to energy, then what is energy but a force, and what is a force but a push and what is a push, but the voice of God.
Or it could go something like this :
So if everything is reduced to energy, then what is energy but a force, and what is a force but a push and what is a push, but the voice of Energy.
Why mix in the word 'god' and continue to cause confusion ?
The only reason I see you tossing in this word 'god' is to take very basic scientific understandings and turn it into something more 'mystical' and 'magical' and 'romantic'... thus causing people to get all misty-eyed.
Ad nauseum.
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Posted: 3/31/2008 5:52:19 PM | | The word Religion is bigger than Christianity. Religion is Evil as a whole. Stop with the bible scriptures cause that book alone cant be your only arguement about Religion as a whole! | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 8:56:27 PM | Religion is Evil as a whole. Stop with the bible scriptures cause that book alone cant be your only arguement about Religion as a whole!
My concept is the opposite. Religion is not to be judged as a whole because they are remarkably different. Bringing out Christian Bible verses shows it is different from the worship of Kali, ancestor worship, Garnish, Buddha, Govinda, Laksme, Odinne, Bacchus, Apollo, Osiris, Nike, Baal, Malcom, Zeus or Allah...
They have major differences.
Religion in Webster's is defines as habitual worship. Some brothers regard religion as a vain attempt to please god by one's own strength, and knowledge. And say spirituality, pleasing god by faith and his spirit living within, giving strength and guidance is the right way. I agree.
You are not right in lotting off religion as a whole. Nor even the Christian religions, plural. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 9:16:20 PM |
My concept is the opposite. Religion is not to be judged as a whole because they are remarkably different. Bringing out Christian Bible verses shows it is different from the worship of Kali, ancestor worship, Garnish, Buddha, Govinda, Laksme, Odinne, Bacchus, Apollo, Osiris, Nike, Baal, Malcom, Zeus or Allah...
They have major differences.
I don't agree with the premise of the OP, and I don't believe any evidence supports the above conclusion either.
All religions support some philosophy regarding life after death and morality, most a philosophy of a divinity that either reaches out its hand to man or visa versa. Hairsplitting abounds, and some yahoo will come along and say "My god's better than your god, my god's better than yours" to the tune of some old hot dog commercial.
Well that's all a steaming load of crap.
As much as a steaming load as stating that religion in and of itself is necessarily evil. But then seeing people shoot off unsubstantiated mental diarheaa here is par for the course. Might I recommend either some attempt at actual dialectic...supportive argument...some kind of intellectual Imodium?
All bringing out "Bible Verses" shows is that the author of the verse is convinced of their "right-ness" and equally substantial material can and has been brought out from other faiths. My faith is good because my holy book says so. My holy book says it is good because it was written by people of this good faith. Circular logic.
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Posted: 3/31/2008 10:17:33 PM | I didn't mean to say evil of other faiths. Kali worship is gory. Malcom also.
Odinne and Mars were gods of war.
The above however were not clean.
Garnish, is a nice idea in some ways and unusual, very mythological.
Allah requires you love him, before he will love you.
Jesus love is unconditional, and he is gracious, kind... central themes of love and faith.
Apollo is a mystery to me. I recall the ancient Greeks were intellectual, looking for answers, the way to the gods.
Bacchus worship involved drunken orgies.
Govinda is a god of entertainment in present day India.
Buddha followers believe in Karma and Utopias. Their monks and Christian monks behave differently, I recall the monk protesting to the Vietnam war, burning himself disciplined not moving sitting on the ground.
Ancestor worshippers held their grave sites particularly sacred.
The Christian god, in Jesus as part of the Trinity is not mythological, but historical like Buddha with more evidence though. Jesus also made a blood sacrifice, but a greater one and not for a lioness, but for people.
Jesus strongly disliked gore. The Christian god is always with his people, even living a perfect life, which was real history that Jesus lived. He is the only god to reach out and substitute himself as a sacrifice for loved people, for their injustices and evil works, shortfalls...
Jesus overcame death as a man for mankind, men and women. Rose, and went in believers' place to Heaven.
Jesus is the answer to all the old religious questions in one. Like the mentioned gods, but in one life, was near, never sinned, made a sacrifice for all sins, experienced death, rose from the dead in triumph for our race, and made a way to Heaven and god there, for permanent eternal positions.
He offers a free gift of salvation, his presence near and in one's heart. His work not religious works.
Bits are found in Buddha and Osiris and Apollo...
Allah for example is a distant god who speaks through an angel. Judgment is different with Allah, there is no blood sacrifice, or washing away of sin, but hard discipline for the wrongdoers, or damnation.
Jesus employs evangelists for conversions, according to the NT. There is not just knowledge, but power in evangelism. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 3/31/2008 11:37:55 PM | Ok, well not to put too fine a point on it but I would recommend two things to you.
Firstly, with respect, your descriptions of other faiths leave a bit to be desired. I'd do a bit more research if I were you. Start at www.religioustolerance.org for starters and then the library. A lot of what you are saying is simply not even close or is barely scratching the surface.
Secondly, the only reason the approach of Jesus is particularly unique is because only within Christianity is it required. Only within Christianity is the sacrifice of Jesus required and thus justified.
It is not required in Judaism. In fact, Jesus death on the cross in Judaism in an attempt to die for the sins of another is expressly forbidden in Judaism and is, according to the scriptures, expressly spoken out against as evil and unnecessary...yet this is overlooked by Christian believers to justify their theology. It has nothing to do with works or grace as sin is propitiated by contrite repentance before anything else and always was.
That is just one example. So it is not anything particularly stunning. It is just different. Other religions have different needs and different benefits. To paint them as somehow deficient is misleading in the extreme. The depiction of propitiation of sin in Islam is also misleading. It's method of doing so is equivalent to Judaism and requires only a contrite heart and genuine repentance.
Stick to describing your own beliefs as your description of others is dodgy at best. | |
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