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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/5/2008 8:51:39 PM | Yellow:
There is no such thing as evil, only ever greater and more challenging opportunities to choose love I love that :)
Brilliant!! Absolutely beautifully said. *blushes*
Codger:
Depending on the person inside - spandex, like religion, has the potential to be truly evil. Allow me to comment using your own words:
You make an excellent point. On two levels...well done While I still literally "see no evil".. I do acknowledge that the power that has been imbued within the institute of religion can be used to uplift or limit the masses...
Yet I still see it as a more worthy goal to focus upon that which I contribute to the overlying paradigms as opposed to pointing a finger outward at that which is ultimately a mirror for my own inner struggle/"demons".. but again, JMO :)
Afortiori:
When does night begin?
---->At dusk /setting of the sun.
When does day end?
--->At dusk /the setting of the sun. It cannot be denied that the two blend into one another..... dusk and dawn are just words to describe the experience of the passage of time... there are no distinct black and white lines.... | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 9:13:49 PM | It cannot be denied that the two blend into one another
I suppose you could say that. I've spent many an evening watching the sun set, and it indeed feels and looks like night and day..... how can I say it? Merge...
But we can indeed make distinctions, we always have a time for sunset and sunrise, just listen to the radio. It is those type of distinctions, like that, that help guide the person in moral choices. We can make our viewpoints as to what is good and what is evil based on distinctions, either in the culture/society we belong to, or from our own views. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 10:17:05 PM | The only problem with Religion is that there are far too 'accepted' religions. In my estimation there should be close to 6.5 Billion religions on Earth alone!
What is a religion, but a set of experiences and perspectives in regards to this consciously created reality. As each aspect of consciousness experiences this reality in unique and individual ways does it not stand that each should have their own 'religion'? | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 11:39:50 PM | I agree that religion can be and often is evil, but I wonder why you put God in the box with religion. My experiences make me wonder how one can not believe in GOD...(GOD being the force or energy that created all that exists). Whether that be scientifically based or faith based...something created all of this.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 12:08:50 AM |
I assume you are still referring to your personal view of what is truly evil.
Actually, in Msg: 446, I was referencing a particular personal view of spandex I had experienced that very morning, so I guess ... yes. Then Msg: 447 gave me a delightful and alternative (mind's eye) view of spandex that I realised very competently refuted my blanket statement of 'fact' that (all) spandex was evil, so I revised the original statement in Msg: 449. Since then, and particularly since Msg: 452, I have realised that I should know better than to impulsively stray too far from the shallow end of the pool, no matter how much fun it looks like everyone else is having in the deep end, without bringing with me the snorkel and fins of having read more of the thread. My bad.
Revision:
"Spandex is stretchy."
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Yet I still see it as a more worthy goal to focus upon that which I contribute to the overlying paradigms as opposed to pointing a finger outward at that which is ultimately a mirror for my own inner struggle/"demons".. but again, JMO :)
That I might one day have such worthy goals... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 7:16:48 AM | Mr. Fells;
Please believe I'm not taking the pi$$ out of you or your beliefs as our beliefs sound pretty similar... Plus I'm not really awake yet, so I'll do my best to make as much sense as possible... But no guarantees.
i guess you could say if the crime is committed against the grain if a man commits murder in self defense it is still wrong but yet acceptable likewise in the animal kingdom animals only kill for survival not out of hatred,that same lion after his fill may drink at the same watering hole with other members of the animal kingdom.
But lions are very majestic... Look at the Gorilla... They aren't so graceful and have been known (albeit rare) to kill another out of rage... Apes and monkeys have been known to ban members and fight them if they come back... That's holding a grudge... Same thing with dogs... The friendliest dog in the world could have that one person it dislikes... The meanest one will attack them... Could see them as a threat.
And isn't that the main stem of hatred? To see something as a threat to you or what you believe to be right?
The illusion is the physical world in relation to the spiritual/life force...the life force does not depend on the physical host but the host depends on the life force...without the host the life force still is,but without the life force the host will not exist.
I'm not so sure... I think the lifeforce does depend on the host to as degree... Without the host, the lifeforce wouldn't gain valuable experience which the potential unlocks when the right comings together of DNA provide release into actualization (sorry... I do go on... I won't be hurt if you call ma a nut), so I believe the lifeforce needs the host to feel sentience in the actualized world... I think it's supposed to be a win-win situation... Change will tell.
religion in relation to our true being is like 10 different men wearing 10 different colored coats(skin colors or religious dogma)when the coats are removed they all realize hey we are one in the same,again the illusion of the physical world
Well, do you mean that there are illusions in the physical world, that the physical world itself is an illusion and we are but a dream? You never know... If it all started with a thought, does it make it all illusion? Maybe difference is a daydream and nothing ever changes.
Even if it's so, we may as well enjoy it... If these men are fighting over which coat color is best, is there a way to make them see how odd it looks from our perspective? Parts of Us fighting with other parts of Us over preference when they both have choice? (That sounds absurd! And it is). Considering how many of them there are, I think we're doing a good job.
But the young ones know already... Remember pen pals? It used to take a month and a half to get a response from a pen pal over seas... Now by the time you make a sandwich, you can have your answer... They will see how we are the same... Then the majority will know compassion.
That may sound off topic, but I think that with compassion, we can eliminate this so called "evil" everyone's been talking about. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 7:41:35 AM | But we can indeed make distinctions, we always have a time for sunset and sunrise, just listen to the radio. It is those type of distinctions, like that, that help guide the person in moral choices. We can make our viewpoints as to what is good and what is evil based on distinctions, either in the culture/society we belong to, or from our own views.
I'm not sure that it's being argued that we can't make a distinction... More like that the distinction didn't exist until we made it and that because we all have different perspectives, labelling things like an "objective good or evil" would have to be something all agree on... It's different than the labeling of "day" or "night"... Everyone can agree that when the sun sets, night kicks in.
I know you know all this but if you want to label an "objective evil", I would like to cast my vote for lack of compassion... And the only way to have known compassion is if you've been shown compassion.
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Posted: 4/6/2008 12:15:38 PM | | stone no problem debate and point out all you want i would expect nothing more from any learned friend if i may be so bold as to assume friendship.the part about the gorrillas (i must learn how to highlight) just proves what i was saying before even the animal kingdom does not accept wrong doing.and as far as the life force needing a host well it is my contention that life will always exists without a host or with one plus i dont believe that the life force gains experience from the body/host just as the fetus does not gain experience from the mother.as far as the illusion the illusion is that mankind believes this is about them and has created the world religions etc etc to focus on them and their vanity that they will live forever(thus heaven and hell) | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 12:40:03 PM | | At some point we have to say "Hello theist, I respect you and will help you because you are made of the same stuff I am." And: "Hello atheist, I will respect you and help you too. After all, we are all headed to the same place- the grave." | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 2:27:43 PM | Sassy, Yellow,
Both of you are brilliant! I like the allegory of good and evil related to us by Alex Hailey in ROOTS, pp. 11, 12 of the Anniversary Edition; old Nyo Boto seated on a low stool telling the children was telling this story to the children of the village:
"And she would begin n the way that all Mandinka storytellers began: 'At this certain time, in this certain village, lived this certain person.' It was a small boy, she said, of about their rains, who walked to the riverbank one day and found a crocodile trapped in a net.
'Help me!' the crocodile cried out.
'You'll kill me!' cried the boy.
So the boy went up to the crocodile—and instantly was seized by the teeth in that long mouth.'
'Is this how you repay my goodness—with badness?' cried the boy.
'Of course,' said the crocodile out the corner of his mouth.
'That is the way of the world.'
The boy refused to believe that, so the crocodile agreed not to swallow him without getting an opinion from the first three witnesses to pass by. First was an old donkey.
When the boy asked his opinion, the donkey said, 'now that I'm old and can ho longer work, my master has driven me out fro the leopards to get me!'
'See?' said the crocodile. Next to pass by was an old horse, who had the same opinion.
'See?' said the crocodile. Then along came a plump rabbit who said, 'Well, I can't give a good opinion without seeing this matter as it happened from the beginning.'
Grumbling, the crocodile opened his mouth to tell him—and the boy jumped out to safety on the riverbank.
'Then here is a crocodile ready for the pot.'
The boy ran off and returned with the men of the village, who helped him to kill the crocodile. But they brought with them a wuolo dog, which chased and caught and killed the rabbit, too.
'So the crocodile was right, said Nyo Boto, 'It is the way of the world that goodness is often repaid with badness. This is what I have told you as a story.'"
To me, Evil does not exist, it is how nature works; wars reduce population, as does plagues, and acts of nature. Although we have a divine nature, it does not make us any less animal, mammals and subject to the laws of nature. Religion is no more evil than those of whom make up its followers; good and bad exists in all us, but; evil is not abstract concept or embodiment. The individual need to perform outside the box and paradigm are made to be broken. The model that my God is greater than yours has to be destroyed before we destroy each other. Olan | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 4:11:04 PM | sckoul wrote;
This thread is for Relgions to come together and defend together.This thread is not for you to defend your personal religion. Its to defend religion as a whole.
I'm sorry,but I didn't get the memo.
And because I had already rejected what I believe to be a faulty premise in the original post,and already rejected what I believe to be a logically flawed title to this thread,and because I feel that I have already expressed imo,a logically sound position on all this,so therefore I really never felt a continual need to come up with "a defense" against those,meaning,not all,but only those posts/arguments that imo, seem to be layered with the fine art of sophistry,blatant nonsense, claims made without providing any available evidence and/or whatever logical absurdities/fallacies one may possibly use to stack this deck over here.
In other words,I try to ignore a post/posts that I believe does not have a rational basis, for I also feel that possibly no rational discourse shall follow this one for indeed,notwithstanding the above mentioned,one may possibly always continue to imo,ignore or refuse objectivity but instead continue to promote one's personal agenda intertwined with inherent biases and assumptions.
and then this again/
sckoul wrote;
In this thread All religions can come together to make a defence for the Big Word Religion.
But ya know what? ....on second thought.This thread over here has become a thorn up my a.ss. So okay,"I'm your huckleberry" ...so how's this for an opening line of defense; I'm calling BULLSH^T out loud
In other words,I could be high as a helicopter ride and drunk as a nine- eyed cooter and Still YET
I believe that my vision/lens of objectivity would not narrow in such away as imo,the willful blindness I have found displayed through words of others within the many pages of this thread.
Sckoul wrote;
This is a very broad question, lets not shrink it!
You got to be kidding....to get invited to a poker game and get served me up a fixed hand but here's the irony,to have someone actually write the words,"let's not shrink it." ?????
Well here's news flash;
I would have to abandon the very foundation of logic itself...the very basic fundamental law of logic /law of identity,
as well as I would have to abandon familiar principles used for critical thinking just to be able to play this fixed hand of cards.
In other words,look at this title that many posts are operating off of to draw conclusions in support of this title itself; Religion is the True EVIL in the world
The word,religion....the word,true,....the word,evil...that's my cards dealt...Ah yes,but now before I can play these cards,imo,I can only use a concept that blends in with the fitting practices displayed over here and I must ignore it's full context....I must ignore any other attributes and characteristics that help give a word a clear identify/clear meaning.
Ya see,with the word,religion,the words true and evil...taking each concept on independently to understand and give meaning in it's full context is something I like to do before I would even think about correlating two concepts but that would break the trend over here,would it not? Forget about A is A....or either something A or non-A...
because imo,the trend/fitting practice over here was possibly intended for one to try and isolatethat religion or should I say,X leads to Y and/or is prior to Y kind of thing.... the cards that have been dealt were possibly intended to only fitthe title to this thread,Religion is the True EVIL in the world((and maybe I should ask a Scotsman about this title as well)
here's a thought;
Shouldn't one consider all the variables and factors along with positive and negative correlations....in which there are many to consider?????... in other words,I believe that to use religion/or absence of, as a single agent...indicator and causation ....is very "weak" indeed!
Which brings me to this;
sckoul wrote;
No matter what you believe in to have a grasp on the word Religion I would say you should get educated in all religion. I think if your gonna believe in a religion you should learn them all so you can make what they call an educated decision.
Well that makes sense to me...before you start talking about something,I think ya should try to understand something to the fullest context possible so ya can really know what the he^l ya talking about.So to further those thoughts,I would only like to add that I do not believe that things only exist by one's perception,for indeed I believe that reality can and will exist/stand alone independently,notwithstanding of one's personal perception of things.
I think one needs to consider all the variables and social functions and even dysfunctions associated with religion. In some places in the world,understanding a religion is closely linked to understanding an entire culture.....and understanding that religion can play a key part to one's values and norms and often used as used as a moral compass to embrace humanity with compassion and humility is also to be able to understand that religion can be used to promote bigotry,hate and prejudices as well.(and please note that I do not believe that religion and /or people of religion have some kind of monopoly on morality,compassion or humility and I believe that we should embrace another on their individual merits and virtue)
Also when understanding religion within the conflict approach,one may find that this gives focus on the exploitation of the poor by the elite...and understanding that religion can also be used as a tool to even hide behind while promoting one's personal agenda for personal economic gain and selfish power.
For example, and notwithstanding that it has been documented that Hitler adopted and/or fostered a religion...in other words,even if it's been documented that he was on street corners handing out cups of inspiration,I still believe that should one pierce the veil,imo, these crimes against humanity was not about religion or atheism at all,but instead I believe his personal agenda was about promoting hate,and prejudices through supreme racism.
The British also solved their race problems through annihilation during their colonization efforts over seas. Between 1803 and 1876,they almost wiped out the native population of Tasmania. How about this; As early as 1717,the U.S. government was even giving incentives to private citizens for extermination of the the so called "troublesome Indians" and people were paid a generous little bounty for natives scalps.
What I'm trying to say, imo, evil is what it is....so therefore ya can have this imo fixed hand of cards. I believe I'll just have to fold before I support the title of this thread or some of the on-going arguments that may possibly be intended to support the title of this thread itself. I don't think I'll be back over this way so you guys have it.  | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 6:42:34 PM | Oldsoul said:
I don't know if religion is the True EVIL in the world, but it sure is the source of many unnecessary evils in my opinion.
It's one I share. Who here, with any degree of religious knowledge, can say any different? I feel the answer is only those with narrow-minded concepts and short sighted perceptions. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:52:10 PM |
I don't know if religion is the True EVIL in the world, but it sure is the source of many unnecessary evils in my opinion.
It's one I share. Who here, with any degree of religious knowledge, can say any different? I feel the answer is only those with narrow-minded concepts and short sighted perceptions.
Who here would want to say anything different, given the judgemental way they are portrayed in the last sentence. Only a fool would fall into that trap! | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:25:53 PM |
old soul
I don't know if religion is the True EVIL in the world, but it sure is the source of many unnecessary evils in my opinion.
sky
It's one I share. Who here, with any degree of religious knowledge, can say any different? I feel the answer is only those with narrow-minded concepts and short sighted perceptions.
I wasn't going to post again,but yet because I have embraced you as a friend in these forums,I wanted you to know that notwithstanding religious differences or one's applied religious knowledge, what I believe is that any source and/or any person that chooses to do extreme choices of wrong/bad/evil to another is unnecessary. Again,evil..it is what is....and I pause with the words,UNECCASSRY EVILS??? Is there even really such a thing a necessary evil?
I live in an area where there is a lot of diversity and adversity. What I can see out my front window,most people can only catch on the 6'00 news. Last year a teenage boy was walking home from school and was shot dead on the spot by a gang drive by and although this teenager did not belong to any gang himself,the kid that shot him was "earning his street credits"...his initiation process into his own gang.
Two summer's ago,a little girl was playing in the park that rest in the middle of my neighborhood and a stray bullet killed her instantly.
Two blocks from my house,an 86 year old woman was robbed,raped then murdered.
And the Darfur conflict/genocide....I protested and wrote letters to my government begging someone,anyone that had the influence and power to stop the killings of the innocent men,women and children and the rape of innocent women....it took my government 6 months before it would even get around to labeling it as a genocide...why was this international treaty to protect others from crimes against humanity ignored??? To just sit by and allow this kind of wrong/bad/evil to happen to me was also an evil and I wept like a baby.
I do not live in a bubble...for me and what I see all around me...evil is what is..and just like a drug,it don't discriminate..and when I see all this human suffering all around me,I can only weep,I can only mourn with those that mourn. And when others need to possibly justify their religious prejudices and biases by giving evil it's weight of authority through this one source,religion,this also makes me weep. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/7/2008 9:50:37 AM |
stone no problem debate and point out all you want i would expect nothing more from any learned friend if i may be so bold as to assume friendship.
I'm honored and of course! I'd like that, but I hope you understand that when I debate my view with others, it actually helps me understand my view better... That's why I'm here, I guess... When I point something out, I'm only pointing out the differences so we can learn from them... I in no way want it to seem like I know better when it comes to things I couldn't know more about.
and as far as the life force needing a host well it is my contention that life will always exists without a host or with one plus i dont believe that the life force gains experience from the body/host just as the fetus does not gain experience from the mother.
But the fetus does gain experience from the mother... Some mothers put earphones on their bellies and some talk to them... There is a lot of care that goes into the carrying of a baby... If the mother smokes and doesn't eat well, the baby shows the effects of such... Half of its DNA came from the mother as well as half of its instincts... Whether learned or ingrained, instinctual behavior had to come from somewhere.
I agree that the lifeforce would still exist with or without a host, but it would never be actualized into "this" existance and would therefore remain "ignorant" of an experience which for an infinite force seems a waste... Every one of us forms is unique... Each with a different experience of being... Each with a different Way of looking at the big picture.
as far as the illusion the illusion is that mankind believes this is about them and has created the world religions etc etc to focus on them and their vanity that they will live forever(thus heaven and hell)
Personally, I think the illusion is just separation... We made duality so we could describe different aspects of the "whole" but forgot that every thing is just a different expression of everything... Thus we see ourselves as separate from the rest allowing all kinds of unethical behavior to go down.
I can understand why we would want to label certain behavior as "evil" but certain people? Isn't that doing the same thing in reverse? Don't we become "evil" simply by labelling others as "evil"? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/7/2008 11:41:41 AM | casheyesblond
Your assertions are correct and your anger thoroughly justified!
I could never make light of the references you made about societies evils.
They are despicable atrocities - how could they be disputed?
I also know that all of the religions I've studies (to date) and they have been many and varied, do have diabolically wicked roots. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/7/2008 9:32:37 PM |
Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Oh, come on! If you are going to pick something, pick man! In particular pick man's ignorance. If you don't care about religion, and you are not religious, does that mean you are not evil? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/8/2008 4:37:33 PM | | any religion that is tought by the race of man is based on someone's view's,thought's fealing's,idea's and or belief's. and if anyone would be honest about it doesn't atheisim fall in to that same catagory? and by that simple truthfull fact how can any honest human being deni that atheisim in itself is a religion. and if you look throughout all of modern history how many pepole where put to death by an atheistic political leader. for those who choose to deni the presence of a creator, can you deni the reality of the wind because you can not see it as well? how about the reality of sunlight. you can not see either 1 of them as a physical presence in our live's. it is all around us even though we can only see it's affect's on thing's around us. the race of man as a whole will never eccept anything unless it can hear for itself, see for itself, touch. feal,hold and or control that which is rite in front of it. thoose who call themselves christian's believe in a god that created them. those who call themselves atheist ( believe )in a god they created. that being themselve's. hence the reality of this teaching to be called a religion as well. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 7:57:08 PM | | Casheyesblond please tell me you arent serious with what your saying about me? lol Wow seeing all the statements of mine you choose all went together....the fact that you agreed with the last thing I said (which was the premise for everthing else) shows where your mind has to be at. Come on now...you agree that people should learn about ALL RELIGIONS to make an educated decision but you think for me to say that people under religion should come together on this thread is wrong? lol That makes no sence. If your educated on religions (plural) you would be able to defend the positive they do. The average christian cant talk past jesus and what TV says about Muslims. This is the point why religion is evil. In something that is preached as truth to people, the average person doesnt go searching for truth past what is in there personal society/area. This is why it is a problem. Religion doesnt teach you to get educated on other ones so that you can make a decision about what really happen. NO. It says this happen and this is how it happen and this is the truth! It may not denounce another religion but once you speak of anything as truth that you cant prove to be true and there can be other groups that disagree with your theory and no proof then we have a problem and they can make the same thing (religion) and base it off of unproven truth. You say I dont prove my non belief? My proof is this. There is not a book in any religion that I have personally read that has mentioned the dinasours and the events that we have proof it happened. Also in no religious text that I have read do they explain not only other planets but the other galaxies we know are around us. I have proof of that. lol I havent read a text that truely matches up to what we know to be our personal human history. Now if you can tell me where in your belief they talk about things like the vikings, the whole earth being frozen, and a world with no humans (which we all know to have been proven to have happen since the earth has been here) then I have a problem with the stories. Now if you put these religious text in the Fiction area of the Library then maybe I could see but naw, its taken as truth. If you think that the christian God's ten cammandments are real, then you probably believe some man parted a sea with a stick. lol you would have to because thats how the story says we got them. Leading people on false hope is wrong. If people somehow find out there is no god you know what we may have to deal with? For this world it seems that could be just as big of tragedy as us not having food. We as people would panic and no telling who would probably survie. All cause they made these groups of belief on no proof. Thats amazing what you can sell people in this world! Stop buying stuff thats not proven to work, you dont do that at the grocery store do you? lol common sence | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 12:05:28 AM |
>Casheyesblond please tell me you arent serious with what your saying about me? lol
Fret not I say,young squire and don't take it personal. Just so happens I live in the hood and when someone insist on "calling ya out" over and over again,well what can I say other than around here,sometimes you got to have street credits just to survive. In other words,sometimes in the forums,I believe that calling bullsh^t out loud and being prepared to back it up is earning street credits in the interest of argruement and debate so to speak and I find this to be in the correlation to the word respect as well. And that was the reason for my post...respect....And no, I did not single you out .I will refer back to my post and put it in bold for ya;
my words;
those,meaning,not all,but only those posts/arguments that imo, seem to be layered with the fine art of sophistry,blatant nonsense, claims made without providing any available evidence and/or whatever logical absurdities/fallacies one may possibly use to stack this deck over here.
Wow seeing all the statements of mine you choose all went together....the fact that you agreed with the last thing I said (which was the premise for everthing else) shows where your mind has to be at.
Agreeing with that particular statement of yours that you give mention to was what I used as for my passageway for me to reintroduce the a basic rule/foundation that logic rest upon...the law of identity when I gave the following sentence;
and to myself;
Well that makes sense to me...before you start talking about something,I think ya should try to understand something to the fullest context possible so ya can really know what the he^l ya talking about.
And if this one statement of yours was intended as your premise for everything else,you may want to consider making a clear connection to your conclusions by providing available evidence instead of supporting your premise with conditional sentences that imo,only accommodated your personal self-interest and personal perceptions. And I should add,I do not think that things exist by your perception only nor do I believe that you hold the one true description of reality so maybe you may want to start considering supporting your claims and exclusive statements/assertions of something to be factual or truewith available evidence. I am trying to reel you back in from playing to deep in left field and hoping that you can realize where your many exclusive statements are instead just beliefs and opinions.
Come on now...you agree that people should learn about ALL RELIGIONS to make an educated decision but you think for me to say that people under religion should come together on this thread is wrong? lol That makes no sence.
If you are currently possibly suffering from word comprehension problems,I really don't know what I can do to help but I will refer back to my post and reintroduce my answer to this question was again,
my words from previous post;
And because I had already rejected what I believe to be a faulty premise in the original post,and already rejected what I believe to be a logically flawed title to this thread,and because I feel that I have already expressed imo,a logically sound position on all this,so therefore I really never felt a continual need to come up with "a defense" against those,meaning,not all,but only those posts/arguments that imo, seem to be layered with the fine art of sophistry,blatant nonsense, claims made without providing any available evidence and/or whatever logical absurdities/fallacies one may possibly use to stack this deck over here.
If your educated on religions (plural) you would be able to defend the positive they do.
I have already responded to the positive and to be objective,the negative as well in my previous post.
I will put some of my words in bold for ya again;
I think one needs to consider all the variables and social functions and even dysfunctions associated with religion. In some places in the world,understanding a religion is closely linked to understanding an entire culture.....and understanding that religion can play a key part to one's values and norms and often used as used as a moral compass to embrace humanity with compassion and humility is also to be able to understand that religion can be used to promote bigotry,hate and prejudices as well.(and please note that I do not believe that religion and /or people of religion have some kind of monopoly on morality,compassion or humility and I believe that we should embrace another on their individual merits and virtue
The average christian cant talk past jesus and what TV says about Muslims. This is the point why religion is evil.
Guilt by association ???? As you make your statements of exclusivity of truth,let me remind you that by no means are you speaking on the behalf of me. I take personal accountability for my words and actions along with whatever consequences may follow and this does not diminish nor is it relieved by personal spiritual beliefs/faith and quite honestly my personal beliefs/faith does not compromise things like my morals and integrity nor do I feel that this defines my morals as inferior or superior to another either.
In something that is preached as truth to people, the average person doesnt go searching for truth past what is in there personal society/area. This is why it is a problem. Religion doesnt teach you to get educated on other ones so that you can make a decision about what really happen.
Again,exclusivity of truth./ I guess I'm just suppose to take your word for it???? Meanwhile, I will continue to always be seeking the infinite possibilities and the infinite possibilities yet to come in both science and religion. And here's just a mere little foot note for ya;Before you decide to do a hasty generalization,you may want to consider that there are those that do understand the criteria and the criticism that needs to be met for what is considered as "sound science" and there are those have spiritual beliefs/faith that does not contradict sound science at all.
You say I dont prove my non belief?
Let me make this as clear as possible. I have already called bullsh^t on what imo,the posts that consist of nothing more than logical fallacies/absurdities,blatant-nonsense statement,and these posts that make claims without providing available evidence to support their claim and this includes call bullsh^t on the post,imo do this while at the same time only accommodating this one's personal perception/belief/opinion and self interest while disguising this under a blanket of statements in the form of exclusivity of truth ....and yes,that would include you in this!
As for your non-belief in something,should you be referring to a deity/and or diteies and choose to state your position as an assertion of something to be factual and true.for example;a deity/deities and or G-d does not exist...and to show you my objectivity as well I will provide the following source;
Appeal to Ignorance (a.k.a. Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam)
Have you ever noticed that no matter how hard you try to make a valid point, a certain opponent will simply bury his/her head in the sand? The appeal to ignorance is likely the tool of choice for such a person. An appeal to ignorance is when one cites lack of evidence against or for a proposition, with exceptions (to be discussed later). For example:
There is no evidence that God exists.
Therefore, God does not exist.
There is no evidence that God does not exist.
Therefore, God exists.
Such reasoning is clearly fallacious, because the person making the argument could not possibly know all the necessary evidence.
personally I believe that because a deity/deities can not be proven or dis-proven by way of scientific method and the last time I checked,a scientific proposition must be verified by quantitative analysis,so to assert something like for example,the origins of the universe proves that G-d does/and or does not exist is something I also believe that can not be scientifically proven....For me,this is a good reason to continue to present my spiritual beliefs/faith as just that...belief and faith. Oh just forgive my ramblin'...now what was this non-belief you were referring and this proof you are referring to as well????
As for the rest of your post,I am paying about as much attention to that as your post/msg 403. 
And I do have a small request.Should you disagree with my post. I would prefer that you highlight my quote to help give us a clear connection to your point of reference so I may isolate any possible burden of rebuttal that may arise./got a research paper to write but as time permits,I will extend the courtesy of responding back should you feel a need to address my post/ | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/10/2008 5:28:45 AM | | The Bible clearly states that there is but ONE God. Have you ever bothered to read the Bible? I believe that people are so calioused and hardened that if Jesus Christ was to appear himself, the majority of peolple would ask for His I.D. card. We are a skeptical world, and that is GOOD. Ask questions, Question Authority. BUT as any good skeptist would agree, there is always the possibiltiy that we have been mislead. Satan is powerful and strong, and loves it when we are mislead. I have been studying the Bible, for four years. I have also studied OTHER religions too. ONLY ONE God makes the claim to have been the son of God. Not ANY other religion. You can choose to not believe, or to believe. You have free will, and it is your choice. Do your research, and go with the religion that makes sense. As for me, I have done my research, and I believe the Bible is true. The divine word inspired and written by man by God. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/10/2008 7:41:26 AM | Clrwtirgirl08,
Ask questions, Question Authority. BUT as any good skeptist would agree, there is always the possibiltiy that we have been mislead. Satan is powerful and strong, and loves it when we are mislead.
In the movie about the wannabe super hero's "Mystery Men" the guru trainer tells one of the more obnoxious characters "He who questions training only trains to question."
I like the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus because of the versatility of His Word. Evil geniuses (fools) can use Gods Words effectively and carry out a whole bunch of rebellious devices that attempt to make our creator I AM look bad and in the end it always produces one or two hero's of Love and Righteousness.
One for instance is the racial dogma's of many early American Christian Churchs used a line in Corinthians to justify their belief that Africans and Europeans should not intermarry since the Apostle Paul asked "What fellowship hath light with darkness?" Years later a peaceful hero showed up on the scene and said " I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." (Which of course is more in keeping with what Paul was trying to communicate.) | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/10/2008 8:38:20 AM |
Who here would want to say anything different, given the judgemental way they are portrayed in the last sentence. Only a fool would fall into that trap!
Trap is it?
So tell me, romanticoptimist, to whom am I naming insomuch as I am being "judgemental"? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/10/2008 9:47:02 AM | Clwtrgirl you are 100% wrong. So I know you may have studied other religions but not enough. If you dont know who Horus the Son God of Egypt is then I think you need to get familiar with his story and the early egypitians (before Jesus) believed in him. Read up and get back to me!
Now casheyesblond I need you to understand something fast. When I say the AVERAGE christian, I am not talking all of them. I am saying again the average as in the majority. How do you know this? Read what clwtrgirl said and then read how people covet the Bible with no education of any other religion. Now if you need me to connect to dots for you on what I ment its this if your agreeing that MOST people in believeing in religion are not making an educated decision then I think you would agree that a person cant defend religion as a whole cause they dont know the premise or ideals of another so why are they posting? lol I feel thats common sence. As far as science and religion goes, also to make my point that religion is in belief of one truth, science at least trys to help religion by going out and trying to find things like Noahs arc or the burial of Jesus and things like that. That is all science is trying to find truth. Religion on the other hand seems to denounce science like its bad and wants us to be just mind strucken. lol Like the ignorant fight between evolution and creation. I dont know about creation. dont know if true not true but obviously evolution is true. look at people from 100 years ago and look at us. We are totally different, average body size, average weight, average height. Now I know there is more to explain all this than evolution but yes we have evolved. I still in my life havent seen another human born from what christians seem to believe was ment as a women being a non sexed virgin. If you believe God did that, then what makes you think Dave Karesh was lien in Waco? Please dont answer that! lol see cashblond the problem we are having is your taking all my statements for what you want to see them as. You think I am talking about everyone. I am statying for average which no one has argued with except you cause the average knows I am right. lol Lastly I will give you credit. you did defend religion well on both ends. Applause to you.......come on everyone stand up and give her applause for he defense.   Now to show you again why religion is evil by your defence. you say and I quote "In some places in the world,understanding a religion is closely linked to understanding an entire culture" which I can agree with. Now back to why religion is evil.....because like you agree with me people arent educated on Religion and we dont understand peoples culture because of it. lol! doesnt that divide us then by religion? Cause our cultures are based on the heavy religion in our area. Isnt that a seperation of people? Also if a countries culture and everything is based of religion, doesnt that give religion a certain power? Wow! Now you say we should love all for there belief. Thats you again. The thing is in this country the majority has a problem doing that. How do we know this? Cause Obama (who I am not voting for) had to make a speech about his religion. lol If it was beatiful and everyone believed it was beatiful, then he wouldnt have had to talk about this. Americans are mad that his Father is Muslim. lol This is my point!!!!!!!!! There mad cause his minister believes something. LOL This is my point!!!!!! Obama didnt say he believed he just represented the group but got rung for it. so what I'm trying to tell you, this individual religion thing is non exsistant. lol If it did exist and we understood it, that everyone has there own belief, we would have understood that just cause he sits in that churches congragation doesnt mean he believes every word this church or the preacher believes. I dont think no person on here believes 100% what the church does and I am almost certain there is no one who follows what the church preaches to 100% accuracy! | |
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