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Posted: 4/11/2008 12:27:34 PM | I will definitely read the whole thread ASAP, because to me the question of god is the central question of our lives, but I must quickly respond to a few early posts:
Yes, Statueman, you are evil.
JMars: Your reasoning is very interesting, but I can't say it is wholely convincing. Anytime a person posits a god and seeks that god's approval or protection, he is establishing himself as somehow more worthy of the god's favor than the fellow he is in competition with, don't you think? Therefore, his wants and needs should take precedence , right? Ipso facto: war , and the "war is good" philosophy.
Furthermore, all so called religious wars that I have looked at were really about other things than religion-religion is just the hook to hang them on and juice up for the next round, the justification, the it's OK, we're really the good guys bullshit. In that sense organized religion has been an evil force in history.
Even when the Celts first came to Ireland, they used the worship of Brighid as a political tool to create order, social primacy and cultural assimilation. And I am sure as a student of history, you are well aware that male godhood is a latecomer on the human scene, so there are many important points and subtleties to interpreting the behavior of our ancestors in regard to prehistoric religion. Very interesting, though and thank you. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 12:44:04 PM | Forgot Obsidian: Why is it you only seem to see people as believers or atheists? There are millions of sincere, intelligent people in the world, and always have been, who belive as I do that there is not proof either way. I am definietly not an atheist, though not a believer. This is not a wishy washy stance, it is the result of a lifetime of rigorous search, study and analysis of religion,the natural world, the human condition, spirituality and physics.
Faith is by definition irrational. That does not mean it is bad or inferior or false. It's just something we must accept about the concept of faith. People always seek to intellectually prove and justify their faith and IMO it cannot be done. Look at the people in the history of religion that pass as "intellectual" in their faith: Thomas Aquinas, Calvin, are just a few examples from the west. Though they possess many of the traits of intellectuals in personality, when they discuss "faith" and try to pretend that it stands up to intellectual rigor, they are failures and hypocrits, at least IMO. And the atheists are the same way, hidebound, narrow and frequently rigidly linear. I am quite convinced that there is not an intellect in the world that can prove the truth either way.
I like what the Dalai Lama says: " If physics and Tibetan Bhuddism disagree, Tibetan Bhuddism will change". A man close to my heart and mind. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 2:19:17 PM |
As the moral Zeitgeist changes in the world, more and more people are waking to the fact that believing in an invisible sky fairy named God is not a good thing. People are realizing that it's just not a rational way of thinking. And does no real good in the world - no matter you've been told. Charity, compassion, and morals are human traits, not religious.
Before you slam into me for not believing in God - ask yourself the question of why you don't believe in Thor, or Poseidon or Santa Claus (assuming that you don't) ...There is no rational reason to believe in belief... there are social and cultural reasons - but in the end they simply amount to brainwashing as a child. If you indoctrinate your children into any faith, you are in a sense brainwashing them to believe in your invisible god creature.
It sounds like you blow off 'religion' but push humanism. The natural way of man is Darwinism. Survival of the fittest. Charity, compassion, and morals (as you say) are not human traits, just another man made 'religion' to get us away from naturalism and science.
And when you have children, I'm sure you will brainwash them with your 'religious' nonsense.
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Posted: 4/11/2008 2:54:06 PM |
Charity, compassion, and morals (as you say) are not human traits, just another man made 'religion' to get us away from naturalism and science.
Actually such things as morals,compassion,charity and the like are very natural and part of evolution.Morality is hard wired into our DNA as part of our survival instincts.Just as lower animals react instinctively to stimuli,our morality is a more evolved version of this.Humans are social animals,therefore evolution(nature) needed morality (evolved instinct). | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:28:11 PM | ^^^^^^^^^The same could be said about religion/ spirituality. how else do you explain some peoples 'devotion' level. Or maybe they just need to get a life. 
'If evolution needed morality'....................................... that's quite the oxymoron.  | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 9:10:20 AM | sckoul
I have studied most ever religion known to man, and find they are all interrelated, indeed. As for religion being evil; take this analogy; suppose you step on a mine and have your leg blown off. Who do you blame? God for telling him to put the mine in that location? Do you blame him or her for planting the mine. Or do you blame the culture which tells him it is just to set the mine in hopes of blowing someone up. You could blame yourself for not watching where you stepped, but; it is ridiculous to blame religion for his deeds.
If, perchance, you have ownership of all the fresh water on the earth. How long would you expect to keep it. Either your neighbor would take it, or your government would pass a law saying it is legal for you to possess the fresh water. More than likely you would be killed by those who have not. Now suppose your nation is the wealthiest, richest in the world. If your country does not share its wealth, the have "nots" of the world, who have something you want, say its oil, will try there best to keep it from you or charge you a high price. Eventually, one will attach the other in order to get what they want. Why are we in Iraqi, because of its oil. We would never put our army at risk for a poor country. They do not have anything we want.
Wars are fought over greed, over cultural differences. It is the way of nature. We are a part of nature and are not apart from the law of the jungle. The strong prevail, the weak do not. It is not a matter of evil vs. good, So if people do bad things to each other, it is because they are able to do so. As Bill Clinton said, when he was caught having oral sex with Monica; I did it because I could.
Not only do we fight war and kill for principal, we kill each other at an alarming rate. Then there are the 2,000.000 plus each year who die of the flu. Death is not evil, religion is not evil. It is a part of being alive. To say people who seek hope in there faith are following evil is also ridiculous.
As far as Horus, Horus did not become prominent until the later Egyptian period, when the King believed they were the embodiment of Horus. Re was the supreme god of the Egyptians. Many of Christian ideas and Jewish ideas were borrowed from the Egyptians as well as the Greeks, Assyrians, the Babylonians and the Hindu. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 9:29:00 AM | | Nice2phku I see you do have a hold on whats going on but as far as blame, I think religion does deserve the blame. Now you ask if I should blame God if I get my leg blown off by a land mine but if I was to survive that land mine then who do I give credit too? This is my point. If your saying I cant blame God for what goes wrong in my life then how can I give him credit for the positive in my life. This sounds like a one way street. That cant be true. If you give God credit for good then you mus t give him credit for bad. It only makes sence. Now Also with Religion, they not only support a lot of what happened bad in the past they also sponosred it with there money (the 10% tides they been getting since God knows when). The Crusades was funded by Christians and was ok'ed by priest who were Christians in that area. How do we know this? We know because at that time in history the Religious orginizations were the politics. As far as why we are in war....If you think its about Oil you miss the point. Oil doesnt mean as much to us like Iran becoming the 2nd or 3rd most powerful country in the world. If you know any Marines or anyone in the service in Iraq ask them whats going on over there. THEY ARE BUILDING BASES IN IRAQ! Why To have great positioning for Iran! We bombed afganistan and built it back up. lol you know why? So we could build bases. if you look at location, Afganastan is on one side of Iran and Iraq is on the other. They have Iran kinda surrounded. THIS IS CHESS NOT CHECKERS. lol Now back to Religion. You dont think its bad that we as people dont blame our maker but we give him/it all the credit. lol I dont understand how humans with common sence can do this but not even treat there parents (who you have proof birthed you) with half of that respect. This is what is wrong. We are so stuck on this Higher Power, we dont usually praise what is realtiy to us. I dont get how people cant see that religion is hypacritical. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:53:47 PM | You dont think its bad that we as people dont blame our maker but we give him/it all the credit. lol I dont understand how humans with common sence can do this but not even treat there parents (who you have proof birthed you) with half of that respect. This is what is wrong. We are so stuck on this Higher Power, we dont usually praise what is realtiy to us. I dont get how people cant see that religion is hypacritical.
Who is "we"? I feel you are projecting what you don't like about some religious minded folk you may have met onto all... I have a belief in God but I don't blame it for anything other than making things less boring.
I'm not sure I get your co-relation between disrespecting your parents and believing in a god of some sort... And how is religion hypocritical? I can see some religions being that way, but all? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:02:38 PM | | How is religion hypocritical huh? Ok Christianity is it Religion or is it a part of Religion? I think that answer should lead you to the hypocritcal part. Now if Christianity is PART of religion then yes, Religion is very hypocritical for all it preaches under its name. Now if Chirstianity IS religion then your right. Its not hypicritacl but then other religions are wrong and we all agree no one can say whats right and wrong in this God thing. Now what dont you understand? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:06:36 PM | | You are right. I was wrong using the we term. I ment the average belivers in a higher power. Now if you believe in God, if you dont blame him thats cool with me but if you in turn give him credit for things then thats the problem. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:07:15 PM | A lot of people say, Thank God I survived, only survivors get to say that. The Bible says it rain on the just and unjust alike. Some people believe that they have a guardian angel who looks over them, but; what happen to those who do not survive. Where were their guardian angels. The point is to die is not evil, often it is worse to survive. Death is not evil, don't blame God for death. If you do not die you do not have the change to experience the next life. I believe in reincarnation as the rule of the universe. Matter as such, is a delusion or illusion depending on how you look at it. Life is just a phase. You or myself are as old as the universe. Everyone dies. A blessing to the early Hebrew and later Jews was to have a long and health life. They did not believe in any thing afterwards. You live, you die and if you wanted blessings you obeyed the law of Moses.
If you really believe in God you praise It for everything that happens to you. Perhaps in you next life you will be a creature on another planet, or come back in the past as an Egyptian, who knows. Perhaps you live the same life over and over again until you get it correct, would explain deja vu.
To the Buddhist, this life is hell and once you have gain enlightenment you end the cycle and cease to be an individual. Taoist believe when you reach enlightenment you become one with the Tao or the Universe. In all these religions lies a truth. All religion came from one and have been blended and disperse amongst the many cultures. Any religion which claims it is the only true religion is false. A religion which realizes there are many way to find God are true. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:16:07 PM | | As far as parents go, if you have read the bible and dont see where your parents parallel "God" then thats on you. lol I think its funny that a human will get mad at a parent who wasnt there for there childhood but wants to praise God who they cant say is here or not in there childhood or any other time. lol He's your father too......right? Again going to my point on blaming God for bad. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:17:20 PM | Listen to the following songs:
From XTC's Skylarking Album:
-Dear God
-Dying
-Sacrificial Bonfire
Listen to them in succession and it will be obvious:
God is first hated for making our loved ones die.
Then God is feared for the knowledge that he will make us die.
Then God is loved for the knowledge that we die and our loved ones die so that the new and the young can live on.
You are in one of the stages of accepting Death. Whether God is involved as the target of your anger or if it is religion or whatever is irrelevant. What matters is that you will eventually learn that Death is beautiful and wondrous and most importantly, it will eventually be the one and only final frontier for mankind, when we all bite the dust however we do.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:27:11 PM | Im not talking after death or even near death exsperince. I am talking about our reality of what is happening. Why is everyone blaming Bush for this War why not God? People will thank him if it all stops. Is God only one of peace and posotive things? No cause even in the Bible he/it can be a stern god!
As far as what life is and Death...again........................How do you know and what proof do you have that death isnt evil. What proof do you have that God isnt the one who chooses if you live or die. What if he is to blame with all his power? We dont know anything past life unless your telling me you already died.
Now you do say something intresting nice2phku.........."all religion comes from one and have been blended and disperse amongst the many Cultures!" Now I agree with that. If you agree then I think you can see why religion is evil. See if it came from one, there is one truth. Then different cultures either took the story or got a story to them and put there human thing on it. This is why its evil. It has been watered down and now it belief of one truth has become a seperation of people. Can you turn something from good to evil? I think so and religion is sure an example. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:32:32 PM | | Again no one knows what happens after death. Know one knows if its great and positive. YOU DONT KNOW! No one does. I understand you believe that death is good and great and another door in life. Unless you have proof of that dont speak it as true. Stick to what we know of as truth or say maybe or something. As far as I am concernedonce you die your gone cause I havent meet anyone who has came back. if you have and talked to that person then believe that death isnt that bad. lol | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:49:13 PM | I'm not trying to hassle you, I'm trying to understand the point you're trying to make.
How is religion hypocritical huh? Ok Christianity is it Religion or is it a part of Religion? I think that answer should lead you to the hypocritcal part.
Christianity is one of many different religions... It isn't religion nor is it part of religion... That's like asking if a bird is all animals or a part of an animal... It is a type of animal... And a robin doesn't act like a vulchur.
I think that answer should lead you to the hypocritcal part.
Still not following.
Religion is very hypocritical for all it preaches under its name.
Are you talking about people trying to indoctrinate others to their belief out of some fear or another? If so, not all religions do this.
Now if Chirstianity IS religion then your right. Its not hypicritacl but then other religions are wrong and we all agree no one can say whats right and wrong in this God thing.
That's not what I'm saying at all... Your beef seems to be with Christianity which doesn't reflect religion as a whole.
Now what dont you understand?
I'm pretty sure I covered it.
Now if you believe in God, if you dont blame him thats cool with me but if you in turn give him credit for things then thats the problem.
See? You call God "him"... I don't... Which god are you talking about? My god wouldn't care if I gave It credit or blame for us being in this world... We are just here... Same as It.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 6:28:36 PM |
To the Buddhist, this life is hell and once you have gain enlightenment you end the cycle and cease to be an individual.
Sort of... This life is just "life" and life is suffering... They also believe most suffering can be eliminated by recognizing that we are the universe... But the cycle doesn't stop once you reach enlightenment... And it doesn't make you stop being an individual... It just makes you see that you are the universe reflected into an individual as is everyone else... The cycle doesn't stop until we all reach enlightenment... Nobody stops being reborn until everyone stops being reborn... Buddha said he would undertake the impossible task of seeing everybody enlightened.
Taoists believe much the same thing except they believe life is pretty good and they say "Ultimate Transformation" rather than "enlightenment"... Some Taoists believe that the personality survives death and can choose to travel worlds... They also believe that if there is a God, that the Tao came first... Tao simply meaning the "Way"
Put the two together and Zen Buddhism is born.
Sorry... Semantics.
A religion which realizes there are many way to find God are true.
I agree.
As far as parents go, if you have read the bible and dont see where your parents parallel "God" then thats on you. lol
My parents didn't parallel the god of the Bible... They set down rules sure but never told me to kill anyone.
I think its funny that a human will get mad at a parent who wasnt there for there childhood but wants to praise God who they cant say is here or not in there childhood or any other time.
I got mad at my father when he died... But I forgave him since he didn't do it on purpose... So that means if I want to cherish the life within us I'm not allowed to be mad at someone else for leaving?
lol He's your father too......right? Again going to my point on blaming God for bad.
People who blame God for bad are usually the ones who stop believing in (or get mad at) whatever god they believe in. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:54:48 AM | [Christianity is one of many different religions... It isn't religion nor is it part of religion... That's like asking if a bird is all animals or a part of an animal... It is a type of animal... And a robin doesn't act like a vulchur.]
Now what do you mean its under religion but not a part of it? lol that makes no sence at all man! The New England Patriots are under and a part of the NFL! lol What dont you understand. Being under something is also being a part of it. Wow! And your making arguments? Your saying its under religion, its a type of religion but its not part of religion! WOW! Shows your credibility. lol Oh and yes a bird is an animal. lol This means if we have a thread about animals we have to talk about birds, dogs, cats, and all animals. lol Now this thread is asking if Religion is evil and if to you Christianity isnt part of religion then how can a Christian come here and defend? to you its not part of religion. Hmmmm.........lol
Next I dont care what you call your god really. lol Its great you dont give him/it credit for stuff nor blame it either. Hey I applaud you for that but the fact that people thinks its ok that all people believe in a different God is what makes this whole religion thing a problem. see if there is a God there is only one truth. Not a truth for every person thats on this earth. In your world there can be billions of different God's. unless you believe that God is your mind and you creat whatever it is you believe which I agree with. Now I see most of you dont agree with that and stone from your post I dont think you agree with that either. So no matter what God you believe in, if you believe in one you believe there is one truth. If you dont believe the Chistian God its usually cause you dont take everything you read/heard/learned as truth. Now you creat your own God that matches your truth. I dont have a problem with Christians but I speak about them more because in America 1 out of 3 people are Christian. Meaning that most God believers (in america) view of God (some sort of Christianity)!
As far as being angry at whomever I think you missed my point. I am not saying you cant be mad at anyone for leaving but if you are a believer for God's control on the world (which you have stated you dont believe) then I feel people should get angry at God too.
As far as those who blame God. I dont know each person persoanlly but I am sure to blame God and have a legit gripe, that you were once a strong believer in God. Going back to my point, those people who get mad at God are the ones who get that if I praise you in good times I have to be mad/upset/let down/ disappointed/ whatever feeling in bad times at God.
Lastly as far as where my paretns parrallel with God........I dont know the beginning of creation but from science and living life I know that my creator is a man and a women. This man and women is defined as your parents. Now if you dont believe God created us then you dont have to agree with this cause again its all your personal belief but if you praise God as your maker and not even show respect for your parents who are your makers also, then in my world thats a problem. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 1:25:46 PM | Stone,
You are correct in defining Tao as meaning the way, however; it has more meaning than just the way. Its principle meaning is the flow of the universe, not unlike the ebb and flow of the ocean. One hopes to join that ocean like a drop of water takes it journey from the mountains to the sea, stripping away the illusion of this life. The Tao is not unlike the Atman, of Hindi beliefs, without all the incarnations, and without the personification of the Deity. Tao is all things, in all things and assumes all things. To become enlighten in Taoist belief one must recognize that this life is but a dream/illusion and the true reality is in emptiness or that you are not your ego, but; a part of the Universe. To become enlightened you discard your "false self" or your ego, what you thing you are and become empty or know your true self.
http://www.taoism.net/enter.htm
sckoul,
As far as Christianity being religion, it is not. It is a belief. Take for instance an apple pie. If you slice the pie into eight pieces, and select one piece for yourself and you eat it. You did not eat the pie, rather; a slice of the pie. Although, it tastes like pie, looks like pie, it is not the pie. It is only a slice. Take you analogy of the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs are not the NFL, rather only one team, a team can never be a league in and of itself. Religion means to practice or follow a belief or faith. Religion encompasses all beliefs, all faiths, therefore; Christian is not religion, rather; it is one belief, one system or one way to believe. Taoism is considered a religion in that it adherents follow a belief system, even though it is more of a philosophy, or other way to appose Confucianism, also a philosophy of life.
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Posted: 4/15/2008 2:16:57 PM | You are correct in defining Tao as meaning the way, however; it has more meaning than just the way. Its principle meaning is the flow of the universe, not unlike the ebb and flow of the ocean.
That's why I called It the Way... Perhaps I should have said "the Way all things go"?
One hopes to join that ocean like a drop of water takes it journey from the mountains to the sea, stripping away the illusion of this life.
But the cycle doesn't end there... Way in the far clouds, a different form of the same thing waits for the drops return.
Tao is all things, in all things and assumes all things.
The Tao is just the Tao... "Things" are mere reflections of the path the Tao takes.
The Tao is not unlike the Atman, of Hindi beliefs, without all the incarnations, and without the personification of the Deity.
All incarnations are present within the Taos reflection.
To become enlighten in Taoist belief one must recognize that this life is but a dream/illusion and the true reality is in emptiness or that you are not your ego, but; a part of the Universe. To become enlightened you discard your "false self" or your ego, what you thing you are and become empty or know your true self.
Buddhism and Taoism basically believe the same thing... Except that one wants to deliver all of creation out of suffering and one doesn't think it's necessary.
To be enlightened is not an "empty" experience and doesn't cause you to shun any part of you... All it shuns is the illusions of this life, not life itself... There is no such thing as "false self" as even the ego is useful sometimes and all selves are part of the great self... To be empty is also an illusion...This is why they call enlightenment "awakening"... It's when you wake up and realize that we are One made up of unique reflections of the Way things go.
I believe we are the Tao, we are Brahma, we are God, we are Buddha nature... We are a reflection of all things. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 5:10:54 PM | | nice2phku.....no its not religion but again I state it is A PART OF RELIGION!!!! Stop seperating the parent from its kid. Religion is the parent and Christianity is one of the kids. Its not the whole thing no, I agree, it is a part of it though so understand that! The KC chiefs arent THE NFL but they are a part of it! Christianity is a part of religion. Thats is wild that even you as a Christian want to seperate yourself from religion. The word religion is the foundation to anything under its premis including Christianity, Budism, Moormans, Rastas or anything else. See this is the problem. People who are Religious who dont understand the other religious groups in the cirlce under the word religion. All religous beliefs are family. Maybe not all brother and sister but they all dirive from one another. I dont get why its so hard for people to admitt that Christianity is PART of religion. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 7:58:59 PM | Okay, religion as a family includes Christianity; I concede. As for proof of life after death, I have been dead and had a near death experience. I saw the other side and it is beautiful. As far as proving anything exists, you cannot. We have only our perceptions of what we believe is reality. This is an illusion a dream, nothing exists except God. Matter does not exist. No one has found, yet; what they call the "God particle." See:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text/4
What we have is energy; and what is energy; but movement; a force, where one thing pushes against another; something that does not exist. What you perceive seem real to you, because you believe it is real. A person who knows it is like a dream could, say, walk on water, change water into wine, say to a mountain to get up and jump into the sea. The only reality is the subconscious mind, which, is connect to reality. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2008 10:04:13 AM | First, if I was to agree that everything in life is an illusion like you say then the only reality would be my mind. lol God wouldnt even be real then cause my mind would be what would let me know about God. lol So you may need to check your idea on that. As far as near death exsperince, all I can say is this, you dont know how far you went into death. Since you dont know whats on the other side you dont know what you exsperinced. You just cant explain it and your calling it "the otherside" and describe it as "beautiful." How do you not know that you werent in pergatory? lol Now if what I am hearing from you is that your mind is the only God you have then hey, I can agree with that! Then you can turn around and read my past post and understand. If you believe in you as much as this "God" think your mind will suprise you what it can accomplish!
My thinking religion is evil is this. There are 2 types of practicing ways in religion you can either practice personal religion or you are part of a religious group. The evil to me is that preachers preach this as truth and and the religious texts speak of its stories as truth, people sit and listen and may agree. Then they go out in life and pretty much start to make there own religious rules yet they still claim there relgious orginization. (example for christians i can think of is sex before marriage) So its ok to read the book of religious choice and claim that religion but not follow it 100%. I think thats evil for the power as a whole that religion has on this Earth! | |
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Posted: 4/16/2008 11:40:24 AM |
The evil to me is that preachers preach this as truth and and the religious texts speak of its stories as truth, people sit and listen and may agree. Then they go out in life and pretty much start to make there own religious rules yet they still claim there relgious orginization. (example for christians i can think of is sex before marriage) So its ok to read the book of religious choice and claim that religion but not follow it 100%. I think thats evil for the power as a whole that religion has on this Earth!
Then by your definition, the people are evil for they do not follow what is taught, no problem with the concept. As for sex before marriage, Jesus was conceived before the marriage, quite common in that era. She was between the age of 12 to 14 years of age, which, was also common and according to the Bible, Joseph was not the father. How people interpret, their scripture is individual, since the protestant movement. Before that time only the Pope was able to interpret scripture and the Bible was taboo for the congregation to read.
The point you emphasis is the double standard which exists in everyone, no matter what they believe. Everyone, atheist, agnostic or theist have some moral code that they believe in and abides. People are not perfect and their flaw show up, especially if they profess one thing and do another. It is human nature to be deceptive, to hide a part of themselves from others. When these flaws are revealed, then other are quick to go after them. Just watch our tabloids; it seem it is the preoccupation of the nation to point finger and laugh at others misfortunes, while all the time hoping no one discovers our hidden secrets.
A great aunt of mine was a member of the friend’s church, Quakers, and she was tarred and feather, stripped naked, tied to wooden wheel, rowed from town to town, and whipped, in the New England area by the pilgrims in the 1600 hundreds. She survived and moved to an island off of France, where she became a leader of the Quakers.
People are mean to anyone who is different. If it were not for laws, every person whom is different, or did not fit in would be killed, and they are anyway, just look at the KKK, the anti-gay bashing. The closes you come to evil is the human race not liking anybody else’s opinions or ideas. It is hard for a family to get along, a husband and wife to get along and hell it is hard for a person to get along with him or herself. Just look at the massive suicide rate in the world.
Religion, is the act of people following what they believe. All religions are institutions made by man, and therefore imperfect.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/16/2008 1:57:23 PM | Edit: Sorry, forgot to mention that this was directed towards some of the earlier pages.
I am not an Atheist because Atheism is the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.
If you want to have an open debate about the multiple reasons why the majority of humans believe in a "higher being" then fine. I am an open book. Ask me what you want as to why I believe the way I do. I will be more then happy to answer any questions! I, will then ask you question about your faith. The kicker is this: you do not have to call my G_d a mystical fairy and say "you have no proof, therefore you are wrong. And stupid."
Did I call you stupid for not believing? No. Do I think your are stupid for having a different opinion? Not at all. In truth, I think you are just as "correct" as I am. So please, be civil and if you want a discussion then lets do that. Let's discuss our difference and understand. Not insult.
FYI- The reason I do not think Atheism is for me, is because the more I learn about what we think happened before time became time and the more I learn about how small we can think (Molecules > Atoms > Proton/Neutron/Electron > Quarks > ???), the more it seems like there isn't an answer... other then a higher being. Every time we make a new discovery about how our universe works, the more questions we have. Some unanswerable and some have answers (or a somewhat working mathematical theory) that are just as far out as my belief on G_d. | |
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