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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/16/2008 5:43:12 PM |
I am not an Atheist because Atheism is the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.
Incredible misunderstanding of atheism you have there. Atheism is purely a non-belief that some mythical Sky Fairy exists & is somehow repsonsible for everything that people don't know... nothing more, nothing less..
I could recommend a book or two if you'd like a better understanding of what you don't understand? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/16/2008 6:31:43 PM | Atheist is merely defined as a=no theist=God. If you are talking about those of you who make a religion out of you atheism, then I understand you. Many atheist want to convert people through preaching, atheism, go figure. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/16/2008 7:17:41 PM | Nice2phku said:
If you are talking about those of you who make a religion out of you atheism, then I understand you. Many atheist want to convert people through preaching, atheism, go figure.
It's not exactly preaching, but a reporter from my university newspaper came to my Catholic Student Association meeting to interview us about what we thought of another group's, the Athiest Agenda's, latest publicity stunt. Every year, the Atheist Agenda (yes, they really do call themselves that) hosts a booth in the center of the campus called "Smut for Smut". Basically, you come to the booth and give the workers there a Bible or other religious book, and they'll give you a porn magazine in exchange.
What I told the reporter was that the Catholic Student Association won't do anything in particular except "turn the other cheek", and that we hope the other religious organizations will do the same because the Athiest Agenda's goal (I assume) is to instigate a reaction. Unfortunately for them, they won't get one from us. However, I might set up another booth on my own initiative for a discussion forum on the whole issue. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 7:16:42 AM |
That's because most of the catholics have their own porn hidden under their mattresses.....
Unless they are priests, in which case they have an endless supply of altarboys to prey upon.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 7:53:52 AM | Gypo08 said:
That's because most of the catholics have their own porn hidden under their mattresses.....
What makes you say that?
TheLimey said:
Unless they are priests, in which case they have an endless supply of altarboys to prey upon..
I can safely say I've never been preyed upon, and neither have the vast, 99.9% majority of altar servers throughout the world. Furthermore, even if my priest wanted to prey upon his altar servers, he wouldn't be able to. The only time the altar servers interact with the priest is during the Mass or other liturgies. They are trained and managed by a lay master of ceremonies. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 8:02:39 AM | It's funny, I grew up Catholic and haven't been to church in a while but the last few times I have gone I seem to be more interested in the Irish women with their little black pumps and nylons and dresses and the whole thing becomes a very arousing, wicked experience. I think of taking one home and unwrapping her, layer by layer, on my bed ... girdles, garters, slips, all those buttons and clips and trying to tear the clothes off ... and the priest or whomever is just a droning voice in the background as the fantasies become quite vivid and I can hardly remain seated in my pew.
All that repression, I guess. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 3:44:38 PM | | As far as your first paragraph goes about it being common that people had sex out of marriage, it says that peope are all sinners right? So what makes you think they werent sinning? They were human right? I hope your not Christian. See what I mean! This is the evil. It says in the Bible that it is a Sin to have sex before marriage and here you go defending it. lol Now from what you have said, I assume that you have a personal belief and not a Christian or anything under that. Now for those who are, what do you say for them in there belief. I know your belief doesnt take it serious but what about what they believe in? I agree people arent perfect and I agree that people can be mean. I dont agree with people who say and argue and fight they believe in one thing and dont follow its premise. Now I dont think people are evil, I think religion is because: We as people have brains and know that all of our brains think differently. This is a known common fact. So I cant be mad tht we all think differently. I am more upset that religious groups get a certain power knowing we as humans all think differently and that religion is really an opinion. People like the pope who have people falling over him when they may not even believe or follow his beliefs. All in the na,e of there religion! | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:14:43 PM | This is one thread that will never amount to much as no one will agree to disagree :)
But hey if you want to burn in hell thats your choice not mine
I put this too you, If there is no God why do people choose to call themselfs Atheists? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:15:40 PM |
Posted by TheLimey
Incredible misunderstanding of atheism you have there. Atheism is purely a non-belief that some mythical Sky Fairy exists & is somehow repsonsible for everything that people don't know... nothing more, nothing less..
I could recommend a book or two if you'd like a better understanding of what you don't understand?
You might want to do a little more research on the definition yourself. Atheism has a broad range of definitions. One can even believe in a God or creator and still be atheistic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism  | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:16:46 PM | That's because most of the catholics have their own porn hidden under their mattresses.....
What makes you say that?
Speaking from experience?
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/17/2008 8:57:05 PM | sckoul,
If evil exist, it cannot be religion, religion is man made. Religion cannot feel, love or hurt. It is a non entity. It does not exist, but in the minds of people. Therefore, it is illogical to say religion is evil, logically speaking. People create religion by their beliefs, therefore; evil can only be in people, since people create their own religion. I am religious, in that I follow the spiritualism, a way of people to interpret the world. If spiritualism causes harm to the world then only the people who do the harm can be considered evil. Perhaps your argument is against the three religions of Abraham. Again the same logic is applied. Religion is a man made system, therefore only the people who do the harm can be considered bad.
I look at this car, I say, "Man this car loves me." It is a thing as is religion. Incapable of human emotions. I look at the car that ran over my cat, "Man, that car is evil, bad, it ran over my cat."
I look at a gun, it killed my uncle. Man, that gun is evil. No, the person who pulled the trigger is evil, bad. See what I am saying? You are ascribing human qualities to a thing. Religion is not tangible, it is not real. It exist only in the minds of people. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/21/2008 7:55:09 PM | So if religion is "man made" then God didnt make it which then defeats it purpose. Thank you! dont you now get the evil behind it. lol! PEOPLE BELIEVE GOD PUT RELIGION HERE FOR US! LOL! Religion is the belief in something else. Something larger than yourself. Now if you believe that religion is in our mind that means there can be nothing larger than our mind. I agee. You just have to understand that by the definition of reiligious, we are not that. Now you can see why religion as a WHOLE is evil. Belief is never evil, religion is not just belief. Its books, its preachers, there are other things that influence your belief and which keeps its belief around, which I believe is evil because a persons belief should never go past there own mind and what they exsperience minus direct religious influence!
As far as your gun analogy goes.....lol if the gun is not evil think of it like this. You can put that one man in jail but tomorrow another person will get shot by a gun and die. So if guns arent evil how come if I eliminate guns all together no one else will ever get shot by a gun! Dang! Why is that never the answer.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/21/2008 8:10:41 PM |
Now you can see why religion as a WHOLE is evil. Belief is never evil, religion is and religion is not just belief. Its books, its preachers, there are other things that influence your belief which I believe is evil because a persons belief should never go past there own mind!
Using your example, eugenics. It is based on/ a discipline of science. So all science is evil, aye. There are many unreligious science minded people who we could equate with 'preacher'. Take Margaret Sanger. How about Alfred Kinsey.
You see why it is evil.
As far as your gun analogy goes.....lol if the gun is not evil think of it like this. You can put that one man in jail but tomorrow another person will get shot by a gun and die. So if guns arent evil how come if I eliminate guns all together no one else will ever get shot by a gun! Dang! Why is that never the answer.
That's never the answer because it is stupid. If one was going to commit a crime with a gun, but they don't exist, they will find another weapon: knife, sword, rock, pipe, bomb, etc.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/21/2008 10:07:16 PM | sckoul,
You miss the point. Get rid of all guns and people will still kill. Get rid of religion, bad or evil things will still happen. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/22/2008 3:23:15 AM |
In a way I agree, there are a huge number of wars that would never have been fought if it hadnt been for religion. I see religion as being one of the biggest obstacles to true social development
Religion wasn't the reason for the wrongs done , it was the abuse of religion that people used to justify their actions (lust, greed, power hunger).
Religion has many positive benifits for mankind. It estabished a moral code to live by. Chairity works which goes against our basic instinct to keep it all to ourself. A legal system that outlaws murder, stealing and such. Marriage so we invest in our children's future rather then (like the beast) abandon them to fend for themself, to name a few.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/22/2008 5:54:38 PM | Glamb! I see you didnt read what I said. Its evil because more than one large group does this. So what did Alfred believe in then? what did Margaret belive in? I am sure they believed in a TYPE of religion not religion as a whole. Maybe your not understanding the difference between the word religion and the beliefs under it. As far as the gun anology for you and the person underneath you I never said violence would stop I said people being shot will stop. PLEASE READ AS A WHOLE BEFORE COMMENTING! Tell me where that is wrong? If all guns are gone who will then get shot? Who will bring a knife, sword, rock, and kill a whole school then take there life? Neither of you make sence about the gun. If you take guns away no one will be killed buy a shot! Now please instead of attacking me make a point. lol
Now I need to ask for attention so you can understand why religion is evil. If you are going to credit religion for Marriage, some charity, moral code, legal system and all that then you must give them greef for the negative that happens on this earth in its name to. How can you credit religion and not put it at fault? You say its positive had an effect on us as a world in a posotve light, then why cant the negative we talk about be religions fault? Again you guys are making no sence at all. You credit religion for moral code but some of our morals are negative give or take who you ask. is that religions fault? My thing is this, if you can say that religion has done positive , then you must agree it has dont negative. anything negative in God or whoever you praises name is evil. Nice2phku, I know you dont believe in this last paragraph so you can disregard. lol! | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/22/2008 7:47:10 PM | Just because you believe those things, don't judge others who have different belief systems! It's clear that you have never researched or experienced those religious or spiritual experiences which others have.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/22/2008 9:19:31 PM | Moral codes or ideologies are human made. They are interpretations of what humans believe to be true. If they came from God, then all people would have the same moral codes, not many different faiths.
Law are passed by humans so we can live in relative security, be it as it may. Again, humans harm humans, because; it is our way. We are a violent species that wants to hoard it over each other for personal gain. I am for gun control, not because guns are evil, rather; people will be people and do as they so desire. No one needs an AKA-47 to hunt, that is over kill. Deer kill a lot of people each year, so the hunters are needed to thin the herd, because; we have killed or removed their predators.
A belief system may be evil in and of itself, but then again, humans created it. Humans often make the mistake of ascribing human emotion to non-human things. God is not human, does not look like a white man with a beard. neither is God any part of Its creation. The Creator created us with free will and we are just higher thinking mammals that temporarily have superiority over other species. If this experiment does not work out, then we will be replaced.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/22/2008 11:44:19 PM |
Now I need to ask for attention so you can understand why religion is evil. If you are going to credit religion for Marriage, some charity, moral code, legal system and all that then you must give them greef for the negative that happens on this earth in its name to. How can you credit religion and not put it at fault? You say its positive had an effect on us as a world in a posotve light, then why cant the negative we talk about be religions fault?
Religion has been a positive influence by the moral codes it laid down for us. I stated religion had negative results also. The abuse to support one's own motives ( lust, greed, power, prejudices and such). You blame religion for the evils done, if there wasn't any religion who would you blame?
Let me give you a radical idea, blame the people who did it, not the whole group!!!!
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/23/2008 2:05:19 AM | If there was no religion in the world, there is still evil. If there were no humans in the world , guess what else wouldn't be around!
Besides, one man's evil is another man's good. So do good and evil exist in reality or just in our minds? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/23/2008 4:19:18 AM |
If there was no religion in the world, there is still evil. If there were no humans in the world , guess what else wouldn't be around!
Besides, one man's evil is another man's good. So do good and evil exist in reality or just in our minds?
I agree, and as creatures of highest intellect and judgement, we are also meant to be the most benevolent, but instead use our minds to destroy each other.
Evil is what harms life. Especially people. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 4/23/2008 6:22:08 AM |
I agree, and as creatures of highest intellect and judgement
Are you speaking in terms of humanity in general,or are you referring to the religious community?Because from what I've seen of the religious community,much of their actions are anything BUT intelligent or show good judgment. | |
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