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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/9/2008 4:44:46 PM | I think ignorance and arrogance are the true evils of the world.
Those who just point at something and go 'this is blah blah, and it should be blah blah', despite it being obvious that many others don't feel the same way. And the inability, or laziness, to at least fully understand why many others don't feel that way.
Ignorance and arrogance are damned to believe the world is ganging up on them more and more each day.
Ignorance and arrogance are destined to become...stagnant...left behind.
When one thinks they have seen and heard the truth of god, they are asserting that all that oppose that truth, were created by god in error. That's a fallacy. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/9/2008 5:23:52 PM | Fleur de Lis:
As an aside: I heard that Catholics are not baptised correctly as we hare not submerged and therefore will not go to heaven - what is your take on this?
Those folks can believe whatever they want. My mom is one of those, insofar as she thinks my non-immersive baptism was ridiculous and makes fun of it. But to be fair to them, I don't think they place a lot of importance on the rite of baptism as having any salvific effect. That would reek to them of sacramental theology, and that's more of our thing. In other words, they do baptism because Christ commanded it, but not because they believe the Holy Ghost literally descends down and washes away the stain of original sin, as Catholics and Orthodox do. To them, it's a symbol, not a sacrament.
As for whether baptism necessarily means immersion...... I don't believe so. All drawings of baptism in the Roman catacombs show baptism being performed by infusion (pouring over the head). I believe that when St. Peter baptized 3,000 in Acts 2:41, they were baptized by pouring because archaeologically speaking, there was no place for the 3,000 to be immersed. I believe that when Peter went to baptize in the house of Cornelius (Acts 10:47-48), there was most likely no place in that house for immersion, so he did so by pouring. Furthermore, the universal testimony of the Early Church Fathers indicates that baptism by pouring and immersion coexisted together. Even today, some Catholic churches offer the choice of being baptized by pouring or by immersion, since both are seen as valid options. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/9/2008 7:03:05 PM | The New Testament we have has been tampered with, in that it is not all there. If evil exist then it is rooted in people who hold back the truth that from the masses. They in turn go about believing blindly the tenants of a false God. Jesus divinity is arguable in the very scriptures you quote. He is merely saying the name YHWH.
As far as the Greek Orthodox Church it to was corrupted by Constantine who was a murder of his own wife and son. His acceptance of Christianity was for political power and eventual consolidation of the Roman Empire.
This is the beginning of the corruption of the New Testament to fit the views of the Roman ideal of Christianity. The removal of aspect of Christianity which did not fit the Roman view was removed by force and destroyed. What we have now is only the Roman view. Open your eyes and see what is true, and it will set you free. View man inhumanity to man and know what is left is only shadow of what is true. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/10/2008 4:46:38 PM | Merrylass,
Your post from 2/18/2008 is seems contradictory.
You mention that your major was International Relations, and based upon your research it is a myth that religion has started all or even most wars.
But after saying this, you go on to say:
<div class="quote">We are not even close to the epitome of all that can be known; indeed every day that which was formerly taught as certainty is changed...We, not one of us, have the slightest clue of how the universe actually works; therefore none of us can state categorically that anything is possible or impossible...In short, we know absolutely nothing
OK, so what confidence should I have in the accuracy of what you state as being a fact, that is, that religion is not responsible for most wars? Or that human greed is the reason for most wars?
The difficulty here is that even if what you say about war is true, you have completely dismissed the validity of current human knowledge, as well as the validity of your own conclusions.
<div class="quote">None of them have managed to glom the simple fact that all their 'proof' of the impossibility of the Divine is based on the pathetic amount of knowledge that humans have managed to amass thus far.
If you are this skeptical about the validity or accuracy of currency human knowledge, why then do you insist that you are correct in YOUR conclusion about the matter of wars and religion? After all, what was taught as certainty today will surely change, right? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/13/2008 2:06:59 AM |
As the moral Zeitgeist changes in the world, more and more people are waking to the fact that believing in an invisible sky fairy named God is not a good thing. People are realizing that it's just not a rational way of thinking. And does no real good in the world - no matter you've been told. Charity, compassion, and morals are human traits, not religious.
Before you slam into me for not believing in God - ask yourself the question of why you don't believe in Thor, or Poseidon or Santa Claus (assuming that you don't) ...There is no rational reason to believe in belief... there are social and cultural reasons - but in the end they simply amount to brainwashing as a child. If you indoctrinate your children into any faith, you are in a sense brainwashing them to believe in your invisible god creature.
You say charity compassion and morals are human traits and guess what selfishness, greed and immorality are also human traits not religious. You all talk about religion like it is a living thing all on its own and none of us have anything to do with it. In the same way you all talk about God being out there somewhere waiting to destroy what he created. Namely you!lol And in the same way you all talk about the Devil or evil like it is out there somewhere and you have nothing to do with it.
Religious "Men" not Religion are the truly evil of the world because they "thought" up a God that in no way resembles what "it" truly is. Religious men created a world that in no way resembles what God "thought" or created. It is obvious our best thinking is getting us no where. Even trying to think what someone else thinks is getting us no where.ha ha Gezz can we get anymore stuck on stupid.
Ok, consider this.........................................................................
God is not of gender. In fact God is "thought" and Evil is "thought." God can only be in this world through the minds of man. Evil can only be in this world through the minds of man. We are spiritual beings having a human experience on earth. In order for there to be life there has to be death, love and hate, there has to be pain and joy, right and wrong, up and down, good and evil. How else would we know we are alive. God is loving thought and love does not force. Thus we were given "free will." Allowing humans to think for ourselves. He said through Jesus mind and other great leaders (servants)in the world. "Your thoughts are not my thoughts." He set fourth Universal Thoughts that protect life, protect humans from themselves. Having free will to think for themselves men twisted those Universal Laws of thought into "commands" , 'rules" and force in an attempt to oppose "God" and take over the world. To date it has worked very well except now their religion is being exposed for the truly evil men they are, people are waking, we have a new problem , because our new self- appointed leaders of the world, the Government is picking up the slack. But..............even this is not the real problem.
The people of the world fail to realize that it is our thoughts, our individual personal thoughts that have to be realigned with "Gods" thoughts. Hitler and others like him did not succeed in killing millions of people just because he was an evil man. He succeeded because there was not enough people around him with the moral fiber to stop him. One of the Universal Laws of thought or God (if you choose) was to not have any Gods before me. Meaning do not put anyone above or below you including God. This is where the imbalance of power in the world stems from. First we have placed God so far above ourselves that it is impossible to believe him little lone know him. Then we did the same thing with each other. How did this happen? Religious leaders are supposed to serve the people. Instead we placed them so high above ourselves that we took money we should have used to provide for our children and gave it to them to build useless buildings, we entrusted our children into there care without a question only to discover it was a breeding ground for gay men and women to abuse them in ways we never imagined and allowed them to get rich and worshiped them for doing so. My father never stepped into a church unless it was to defend his children. We went to church because of my mothers "blind faith." Anyone who puts blind faith into anyone or anything is as evil as the perpetrators themselves even if it is unwittingly. I can assure you none of this is Gods idea! Faith comes from getting to know someone and then believing in them meaning supporting them. Anyone can say they believe in God but few can say they know him so it makes sense that he/she has little support in this world.
The same is true of our Governments (supposed servants) and the elites of the world. We put them their and it will be up to us to take them out. God does not want us to worship him or each other. Maybe that is because it is a useless activity not to mention destructive. Another thing is this business of quoting the bible and always looking into history. No one gets to the light through relentlessly wondering around in the dark or trying to live by someone else's truth. Each has to find his own and live it. It is your choice. Anyone who falls for the belief that God created a world and left a shortage of anything is a brain dead. We are not asked to be perfect, he only ask that we try to use the mind he gave us for something besides a hat rack he is only there to help.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:28:33 PM | You don't need religion to experience God.
You are right, wars, killing sprees and the like have been caused by religious thinking, but God doesn't want us to be religious. Look at the life of Jesus, look at the way he lived, what he was saying, by demonstrating and by his teachings. He was telling us to stop this distorted way of thinking. Some people agreed with him, only to turn around and turn religious themselves. It seems to be in our nature.
Having said that, I know for a fact that there is a God. I experienced first hand the signs and wonders He provides when you ask for it. Look at all the beautiful things of the world, flowers, kittens, the scenery, beauty, sex, love, chocolate.....(ok chocolate in itself is proof), when you look around it's pretty obvious.
If you still don't believe it try this: Ask Him to show you a sign within the next few days to tell you He's there. Wait, listen. Guaranteed you will get one.
It may be in a phone call or a visit, a magazine article or book that you happen to come across, a 'coincidence' or a vivid dream. Write down everything that happens in that time. Guaranteed He'll answer you.
You will see the reality then. Try it, you'll see | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:01:45 PM | no match:
Religious leaders are supposed to serve the people. Instead we placed them so high above ourselves that we took money we should have used to provide for our children and gave it to them to build useless buildings, we entrusted our children into there care without a question only to discover it was a breeding ground for gay men and women to abuse them in ways we never imagined and allowed them to get rich and worshiped them for doing so.
Eh? Who's "we"? My religious leaders are mostly pretty top-of-the-line, highly educated and intellectual God-loving individuals. My church building is among the most beautiful in my entire city, but I haven't contributed monetarily in almost a year, I think. I sing in the choirs, serve at the altar, or sweep the floors instead. And it's not a breeding ground for gay sex abusers. Your generalization fails.
Religious "Men" not Religion are the truly evil of the world because they "thought" up a God that in no way resembles what "it" truly is. Religious men created a world that in no way resembles what God "thought" or created.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 4:35:45 PM | .... Lets SIMPLIFY all this: religion is an addiction (to being LIED TO) and a psychosis (belief in what doesn't exist)
.... The six big addictions: drugs, religion, homosexuality, obesity, greed, couch potato | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:50:45 PM | | I'd say it was fairly accurate. They do say the last person to realise they suffer from delusions are the sufferers themselves.... & religion rather neatly fits the "psychosis" definition.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:41:46 PM | Jacobus101
My church building is among the most beautiful in my entire city, but I haven't contributed monetarily in almost a year, I think. I sing in the choirs, serve at the altar, or sweep the floors instead. // When was the last time you gave just out of the kindness of your heart to another person or someone in need? I think someone is just intolerant of religious leaders.//
Yes and ignorant people.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:50:22 PM | Hey BuzzLOL
Lets SIMPLIFY all this: religion is an addiction (to being LIED TO) and a psychosis (belief in what doesn't exist) .... The six big addictions: drugs, religion, homosexuality, obesity, greed, couch potato //
Add to the list: poverty, shortages of food, oil, hydro and any other necessity in life.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:28:36 PM | no match:
When was the last time you gave just out of the kindness of your heart to another person or someone in need?
Yesterday. What's it to you?
Yes and ignorant people.
If you're intolerant of religious leaders, including the many who are truly "good people" and even those who have taken perpetual vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience for the sake of their faith, then you're no less of a bigot than the worst of them. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:54:47 PM | Hi Fleur de Lis
He is not saying that people who believe in God are psychotic. He is saying that people who believe religous teachings are psychotic. God and Religion are not the same thing. People who believe in religion are trying to stay out of hell yet religion teaches people how to live in HEll here on earth! | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:16:23 PM | Hi Jacobus101
If you think taking vows meaning paying lip-service to poverty, chastity, and obedience is having faith or preserves it you are mistaken and have no idea what faith is about.
I don't hate religious leaders but I do not accept their warped teachings about God.
What is your definition of poverty, chastity and obedience?
How is having your employees renunciate their right to own property and working for it and instead having others work and pay for it and calling it a donation helping God and his people; especially when many of those people are making those donations out of fear and guilt and putting themselves in real poverty then have to beg, borrow and steal to live? If that is not insanity nothing is! When God spoke of "poverty" he was talking about people being humble in "spirit" including his so called carriers of the word not humiliating people.
Chastity does not make humans pure in conduct anymore then sex addiction makes someone a whore. The principle "Do not commit adultery" came into play for our protection. It does not change a thing in Gods life if you commit adultery but it sure changes yours. You suffer not God! He wanted to help us not make a mistake not condemn us to hell. There is no such thing as a "sin against God!
Obedience in the context of religion: God said, "love one another." How is acting like you are the be all and end all of everything, judging and condemning people, telling them they are sinners, making them afraid of God, teaching them to feel ashamed of themselves and guilty, teaching them that their God given instincts for sex relation, emotional and material security and companionship makes them sinners and going to hell before they are barely out of diapers," loving one another?"
I would hate to see what they do when they are being disobedient! Never mind I have and you have to. You don't understand what is going on but you will. Ask God he will tell you not religious teachers. Look into your own heart, you can't possibly not be questioning this? But then again you have probably been told you should never question God so that you will not question them. No matter, ask God anyway. It is the only way to know your truth.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:59:58 PM | no match:
I don't hate religious leaders but I do not accept their warped teachings about God.
Fair enough. I don't accept yours, either. 
What is your definition of poverty, chastity and obedience?
Exactly what it says it is.
I'm sorry you have such a disdain for those virtues.
But then again you have probably been told you should never question God so that you will not question them.
Not to my memory. I have been challenged several times by my priests and deacons to examine their teachings for myself. I also recall the lesson of Jacob's struggle with God, which in the end led him to a greater understanding of God.
But what people tell me is irrelevant. I was once an atheist, and I came to my faith by a free decision of the will, even to my family's consternation. I'm a critical thinker by nature, yet here I am. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/15/2008 2:42:51 AM | I think a common theme that comes up over and over again is values. If a person needs religion to instil these values and keep them in line what is that really saying? If a person is just behaving well because they fear going to hell we need to be afraid of this kind of person. If they were not in touch with the part of themselves that naturally acts with the moral code of religions then in part we can be thankful they have found religion but if religion does nothing to help these people get in touch with this part of themselves they are in a co-dependent relationship with their religion, trying to appear to have the same values.
Often people cannot live up to imposed values not because they are incapable but because they are not well. Religion is a breading ground for mental illness because they are given a set of behaviours they can mimic and like parents the church is not their all the time to impose these value sets so on Sunday they can pretend to adhere to them as long as those who know what they are really like keep quiet. Their is no accountability for breaking the code other then the fear of being judged by god when they die, however they are taught that their sins are forgiven so no matter what they do there is no earthly accountability for anything unless it breaks the law of the land and they happen to be caught and prosecuted.
The whole idea of religion creates a split between the natural consequences of behaviour and replaces it with an unnatural consequence that may or may not be true (god's judgement/forgiveness)
God sees all judges all and forgives all (well except for blasphemy of the holy spirit, which i do in the morning day time and just before bed for good measure) Even the catholic church has realized that this is a bad idea and have amended the unforgivable sins for our time, or at least i think so don't quote me on that. (might be the deadly sin's or something) which may be the same thing, but i'm sure some one (not mentioning any names Jacob) will correct me.
Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical judgement, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish. from wikipedia by this definition religion is evil. It is replacing man's natural moral and ethical mechanism of consequences to profit directly from it's followers and to use that financial power and popularity for it's own agenda. The Catholic church being the biggest offender of all.
I don't know the origin of the word evil but i rarely hear it outside of religious context. Unless some act is committed that is so far outside of the realm of acceptable human behaviour. Evil is a strong word that conjures up much in the mind, non of which are natural to us as humans. Evil to me would be taking away what is natural to us all. A sinister undermining of what it truly means to be human and i think that religion does do this. For now the church has enough power that even if the world stopped believing it could survive on it's investments and work behind the scenes. The Catholic church are not stupid they have invested in resources and technology that we have grown dependent on. What we aren't dependent on we are forced to change though cunning campaigns that bypass our logical and rational selves and prey's on our emotional attachments.
One poster mentioned (that i haven't forgotten) on another thread that if we wanted to find out the truth follow the money. Interesting that if we do this we find the church with their paws in the cookie pot as well... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:51:48 PM | Hi Jacob
Of course your priests and deacons challenge you to examine "their" teachings. Since this is the way to keep you from knowing the truth. It is not possible to know God through looking outside of self. You need to examine God's teachings which are Universal Law or the Ten Commandments as religion has called them. Anything else in the Bible is man"s interpetation of those law's. To follow religous interpetation of those laws renders them not only impossible but also dangerous.
Perhap's you could get over your terminal uniqueness and realize that you are not the only person who was atheist and turned to religion looking for truth and I am not the only person who was raised with religion and was forced to look elsewhere to learn understanding of God and the truth.
Fair enough. I don't accept yours, either. // You can not get to know another person through what someone else tells you about them. It is the same with God. You must look within, this is the meaning of,"The Kindom of God is "within you." Ask to be shown and you will be guided to the "Truth" by God himself, not by me or anyone else. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:27:17 PM | OK-- I actually got an A in Comparative Religion-- I'm no scholar but here's my take on this:
Belief in God has created alot of good in the world ... it has helped to shape social morality and social structures... it teaches us faith and gives us a heightened sense of existence and purpose. Ipersonally believe in God because of some very personal revelations that were impossible to explain and prompted a few psychologists too request past life regression, and got my experiences cataloged in a research journal. Do I still have my doubts -- some days-- sure even despite the miraculous revealed to me but thats also part of being human... its hard for us to believe in what we cant see with the physical body. I personally think you're working off a very basic plane of existence and have been deprived the opportunity to explore heightened senses of awareness and spirituality -- ones that can be defined, FOR you personally as GENUINE and not as some kind of mind-control BS.
Why not challenge yourself to your statement and seek out the fantastic on your own. I would suggest a Buddhist temple, visit a monk or speak with a talented psychic... whatever you choose to pursue -- but I doubt you have really ever been on a true SOUL quest.
Anyway--- as one other person put it-- its your opinion... but opinions have a funny way of changing and metamorphasizing as our experiences in life grown and develop ... IF we are growth oriented. Good luck-- keep your eyes open to ALL possibilites .... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:14:12 AM | reply to message 4
The government of the Soviet Union turned Marxism into their own dogma and employed a powerful policeforce to ensure that it was next to impossible to question the regime.. In that sense the Soviet Union was governed by a mindless obedience to Dogma akin to religion.
It can be argued that this "socialist" system collapsed because it failed to provide enough wealth for its people...
or maybe because it was not able to take over the very soul of its people with a shitty christian doctrine... the people themselves were able to clearly see through its failings?? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/19/2008 12:11:26 PM | Soviet Union like every other country has there own take on believe's . concidering that some still go as far as medevil time's where there take religion very inportain in some case's they still use threat's and puplic Execution's to demostrait what will happend if you should kill,steal whatever i iraq they still follow the old way's they believe to kill for there god they will be a marta wich infact is insaine.
The richest religion in the world is no other then the cathlic church but also the largest religion is islam and it's growing every day inmagine that ha.
But in all in Reality what has religion proofed through the centry's there's been more killing over religion and more money made on it then any thing elses it has been this way sense religion began and it will never end im sorry to say are generation's to come will have to deal with it.
science has proofen a lot and has tault us a great many thing's how are earth was made and how are moon has a north and south pole like the earth it show's that when takend religion out of the picture it has discoverd that the earth was not created by a god but created buy a force that happend billion's of years ago, a giant exsplosion in space.
let's look at Christopher Columbus he proofed to every one the earth was not flat but according to teaching's the world was flat he proofed them wrong right so what im saying is what if the teaching's are wrong in the bible what if it was written during that time period that people didnt have the resource's we have today so if they seen the river turn red or they seen some kind of thing in there mind's they believe in a god who had done this so it was written in a book and they still preach this today now look at china ok was that work of god to kill so many people now in religion some would tell you it was a act of god.
but in a science it's another story because they have people who are studying and working night and day discovering new things such as under water vocano's wich was told that may cause earth quake's .
so you see you cant believe in every thing you read in a book that was written long ago and infact i believe religion has gone hay wire to believe in a mystical being that had his son die for are sins but let me ask you all this why have his son die for every ones sin's why couldn't god forgive us insted if he is all knowing and all seeing another word's he is the judge,jury,and Executioner all in one.
And if his son had died for are sin's why are we still sining to this day why so much corruption in today's word why so much killing,ect it's because we follow are own believe's and we act want we where tault or what we seen as kid's so it's the same as religion is it not ????
thats my opion on religion and how it has become the way it is today.
pure evil there are more people with faith behind bar's then a atheist's why is that? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 5/19/2008 12:38:20 PM | Timber wolf:
let's look at Christopher Columbus he proofed to every one the earth was not flat but according to teaching's the world was flat he proofed them wrong right
False.
All scholars in the Middle Ages knew that the world was round. It's only a myth started in the 19th century that the medievals thought the world was flat. The ancient Greeks and Romans also knew that the world was round.
The richest religion in the world is no other then the cathlic church but also the largest religion is islam and it's growing every day inmagine that ha.
False.
Christianity is the largest religion in the world. Islam holds second place.
The Catholic Church is an organization, not a religion (but Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, which is a religion). The Catholic Church is actually not as wealthy as most people like to imagine. The Holy See (Vatican City) is often in a budget deficit, and the Catholic Church does not have a worldwide network of assets. Each Catholic diocese is financially its own separate entity. In this sense, the Catholic Church has a feudal structure, a confederation of mostly autonomous dioceses, rather than a strongly centralized thing. One could make a pretty good argument that the Church of England is wealthier than the Catholic Church, actually.
But in all in Reality what has religion proofed through the centry's there's been more killing over religion and more money made on it then any thing elses it has been this way sense religion began and it will never end im sorry to say are generation's to come will have to deal with it.
Also false.
Most wars are fought over land and/or resources. Most wars have been fought between nations which shared the same religious beliefs. More people have died under atheistic regimes of the 20th century (the Soviet Union, Maoist China, etc.) than all of the religion-inspired wars in human history combined.
science has proofen a lot and has tault us a great many thing's how are earth was made and how are moon has a north and south pole like the earth it show's that when takend religion out of the picture it has discoverd that the earth was not created by a god but created buy a force that happend billion's of years ago, a giant exsplosion in space.
While I don't believe that science can "prove God", I fail to see how science "disproves God" as well.
pure evil there are more people with faith behind bar's then a atheist's why is that?
It would depend on the country. If you take prison statistics of a country made up mostly of atheists, like China, you'll probably find more atheists behind bars than theists. | |
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