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But just as with "money is the root of all evil"

In a way I agree, there are a huge number of wars that would never have been fought if it hadnt been for religion.

Existence of God is ireffutable. Atheists can brag about all they want, but even the modern day physicists have started to admit recently the the theory of intelligent designer is not out of the question.

Let me think like an atheist for a minute. I agree to be an athiest and willing to give up on Islam, if you can just come up with a better explanation than the big bang theory as the basis of the creation of this universe.

The way this whole universe, it can't happen due to just one stupid explosion and with some random events in the nature that have occured through out the course of history.

Even if its evolution, who has moderated this so called slow change?

In computer programming we call this looping and conditioning. A programmer relies heavily on looping and conditioning to generate the desirable results from his computer program.

And that's how see this world. With a lot of loopings and conditions set by God.

There is has to be some one above. This whole universe can not be a coincidence.

My mind refuse to accept.

One of my instructors once said that religion and general motors have much more in common than many would like to believe... and I totally concur.
--->It would be more accurate to say that religion and the motor car have much more in common than many would like to believe. There are many non-polluting motor cars, and the design does not need to run on petroleum at all. But the "fat cats" and the political leaders forced it to be run on oil, by banning any other substance to be used as fuel. In that way, it is incredibly similar.

But just as with "money is the root of all evil"


It is not the above but,

The love of money is the cause of all sorts of evil.

The true evil of the world is those that use religion to advance control and power over their fellow men.
The truth will set you free not make you a subject of the church.

But just as with "money is the root of all evil".. Imo it is not the money or the religion itself.. rather, it is how the power entailed within each is used that truly matters...

When we are talking about something with such an immense amount of power over the masses.. the temptation is HUGE to abuse it... and people do... everyday.

How beliefs are transmitted from human to human and how that very act perpetuates belief even against your will. Advertisers know it all to well, you don't even have to make a good product you just have to repeatedly advertise it and it will sell. Why? because that is how the brain works. Anything put in is accepted as a belief and then you have to actively disbelieve in attempts to not believe. Which actually makes the belief stronger oddly enough. It's a win win for religious groups that prey on people for their survival.

I can see a day when Freedom of speech will be changed one day so enjoy it while it lasts.

But it's exactly how that belief manifests itself that I'm talking about. As for what's "evil" that's to do with human behaviour and intrinsically the concept, to some, of what god is. What I’m saying is that this is not true and easily misconceived.

You can have your opinion and I must give credit to those that have destroyed the beauty of the Christ, but, There is a God and even the aliens of outer space worship and know the God that is God.

I'm an International Relations grad. Studied conflicts for my major. It's a pitiful myth that religion has started all, or even most, wars.

Wars have been about greed and property since the dawn of man.

Dennett is built in the same vein - setting humans of any group against humans of any other group is traitorious to all of humankind and Mr. Atheist Champion is as evil as Bush in that way.

None of them have managed to glom the simple fact that all their 'proof' of the impossibility of the Divine is based on the pathetic amount of knowledge that humans have managed to amass thus far.

We are not even close to the epitome of all that can be known; indeed every day that which was formerly taught as certainty is changed. The atom is not the smallest particle. There may have not been a Big Bang. Now we find the universe is shrinking, rather than expanding. In short, we know absolutely nothing and therefore pronouncements by the Dennetts are worth precisely that.

How anyone with any sense can follow a Dennett and think that man knows any better than the rest of the humans on the planet baffles me. We, not one of us, have the slightest clue of how the universe actually works; therefore none of us can state categorically that anything is possible or impossible. It's the most ridiculous of conceits to even attempt it.

Please, do yourselves a favour and never again repeat the utter falsehood that 'religion causes wars'. Greedy humans cause wars and wield whatever tools they will to serve their cause. Religion is victim, not villain.

I don't think it's religion per se that is evil. I think the evil comes from some people's need to have an unbending interpretation of religious dogma and the need to impose their belief on someone else that is evil.

Once in a great while a man comes along to show mankind 'the way' to a better reality after death. These messages always seem to get corrupted in such a way by 'leadership' that we are made to believe it's ok to hate, ok to kill on a large scale because our brethren of another tribe have religious views that are not exactly as ours.

And just as much evil has been done in the name of irreligion.

the ones who think religions are the true evil are making up there own rights and wrongs and rules and morels as they go and forcing us to go along.

Tell me why the worship of this God, or that God can be evil.

Some have a tendency to profess that their God is better than other Gods.

Religion teaches us peace, love and brotherhood. How can that be evil? Religion teaches us right from wrong. How can that be evil?

Or how about citing examples that do NOT include the Abrahamic religions instead of bandying the term religion like all religions are the same as those we are most familiar with?

Would you call Hitler calling for the death of the Jews because they are a plague on humanity and on the Germans, as rational humanism?

Where does it say that anyone was killed as an action "SPECIFICALLY committed in the name of any religion"?

But that is not any different than killing priests because they don't believe in Soviet authority.

Sorry. But where is this in the OT? Or Judaism? You do know that this is forbidden in Judaism since the start, don't you?

But making any implication that religion was somehow involved in murder and atheism was not, would imply that intolerance was NOT at the root of this idea, unless you claimed that all atheists are tolerant of others, and don't try and ridicule and put down anyone who doesn't share their beliefs.

By the way, I would not quote from Dawkins, because he has published a book called "The God Delusion", which by its very title, is in contradiction to what most psychologists believe about religious belief.

He stated on National Television in the UK, that he thinks all forms of acupuncture are bogus, but he is willing to propose his own ideas on behaviour, based on "selfish" genes, when no-one claims that he has followed the Scientific Method in his claims, in that he has not done clinical trials on his own claims.

However, we must play fair. Blame all or none. If atheism is not at fault, then neither is communism, or theism, or religion.

Thousands of years of human history... thousands of years of human mythology... thousands of years of human experiences... all of which contains religious experiences and written accounts... is wrong. (according to you)

The billions of humans who lived before you who have believed that God or any Diety existed are all wrong. (according to you)

There is no God, no Divinity, no Divine beings whatsoever; and everyone who believed that God exists... before you were even born... are all wrong. (according to you)

Furthermore, you are saying that "I" am wrong about what I believe and that I was brainwashed by my parents to believing what I believe.

Take a look at human history, name the civilizations that developed in isolation... that did not believe in God.

If there is any brainwashing going on at all pertaining to what you posted... it was you brainwashing yourself into believing that you are right and the billions of other humans (since the dawn of civilization until now) who have believed in God or any Diety are wrong.

I can see how affiliating yourself with those of like mind may give you the false impression that the world is "realizing there is no God."

Nearly every isolated civilization has believed that there is some metaphysical reason behind their existance, and that is almost always linked to a god in some form.

I only modify the original argument to say that religion that preaches "exclusive truth" is the true evil in the world.

Existence of God is ireffutable.

Atheists can brag about all they want, but even the modern day physicists have started to admit recently the the theory of intelligent designer is not out of the question.

The way this whole universe, it can't happen due to just one stupid explosion and with some random events in the nature that have occured through out the course of history.

Even if its evolution, who has moderated this so called slow change?

I can introduce you to hundreds of people who turned into ....mmmm...lets say Jesus Freaks....in their 20's , 30's and 40's ...I am one of them....and these people had no faith based upbringing....they most likely acepted Christ later in life because of the lack of him in their childhood and they didn't want to raise their own children in such a Godless way.

can you see the wind??? I can't but I know it is there....

my best friends are super religious but don't expect the whole world to change there views about religion because they believe strongly

Non of what i said makes us victims or mindless drones. It is simply how the brain works. You of all people should know this as you are in the mental health profession sassy. If you don't i'd suggest its not me who is afraid to question it is you.

Its funny my special someone was doing some research on addictions last night because i am having a difficult time quitting smoking. One of the things that came up was the 'fact' that people need outside sources to take over where abusive people that aren't in their life leave a void. This is where addictions come in, as well as you guessed it religion. Often the latter come into play after being on a self destructive pattern has been established and religion fills that void which is the original void left by abusive controlling people.

Even you sassy have been conditioned, to deny it would be ridiculous. Its just a question of making a mind map to find out what you are conditioned to think.

Conditioned people don't see they are conditioned much like someone who is in denial won't see they are in denial. Governments, religions, and advertisers are well aware of these things and so their consultants who specialise in designing the perfect campaign for target audiences that work.

It teaches you to question everything even itself, however the relationship is already formed with itself and so is its dependency on the system so finding fault will only cause pain to ones self.

We only think its ok to spread our beliefs (religions) to others because we are taught that it is our freedom to do so. But it is not freedom, its a compulsion.

you are free to choose to believe anything you want including the purple dragon, but that is where your freedom ends. The moment you open your mouth to spread that religion you are controlling other peoples minds, especially if you have children that look up to you, as this is the most powerful way for beliefs to be transmitted to another person. I recognized this when my son was very young, and stopped speaking about my beliefs from a personal point of view and started asking what he thought. Their is nothing cute about conditioning our children to believe as we do.

On the comment about freedom of speech. Its not about the fear to question. Its about the limiting of peoples choices by implanting what they should question and seek for.

Are you Buddhist?? If not you cannot possibly say that with any kind of confidence.

So the religion and those who transmit the beliefs to others is at fault.. and the poor little victims who bought into it are blameless??

Are you Buddhist?? If not you cannot possibly say that with any kind of confidence.
--->That makes no sense. I don't need to be a Christian to point out how being told you're a lowly sinner who deserves to burn in hell traumatizes children.

[Buddhism] teaches you to question everything even itself, however the relationship is already formed with itself and so is its dependency on the system so finding fault will only cause pain to ones self.

Your example has NOTHING to do with what was being discussed..

Here crazylilting states that to question the ideas put forth by Buddhism causes pain to the Buddhist.... how could that possibly be known unless he has himself experienced it?

And the institution of religion feeds directly into those cravings.

That being said, the burden of proof lies with the theist. Everything looks and operates as it would without a god, theism creates a mystery where none exists.

It's a common misconception that atheists claim to have answers for everything. Of course we don't.

It is a well known fact that atheist regimes have slaughtered millions. But they didn't do what they did in the name of atheism.

To call oneself an atheist doesn't suggest a certain morality. An atheist can be a fascist, a demagogue, a psychopath.

In what way would lack of belief in god cause somebody to hurt another individual?

Here crazylilting states that to question the ideas put forth by Buddhism causes pain to the Buddhist.... how could that possibly be known unless he has himself experienced it?

You trying to say that atheists or atheistic organizations, do not have those cravings?

Your second statement contradicts the first. There is a lot more mysteries for the atheist then there is for the theist.

Over a 170 million people in the 20th century alone by these atheist regimes. I would contest that it wasn't in the name of atheism. The goal was/is to eradicate religion and replace it with atheism which at its core is just another religion.

What it speaks volumes about however is the morals or rather lack of them in atheistic regimes.

People beaten, tortured and murdered for no reason.

I could, but don't you think the fact that the large majority of religious people believe in one of the big three monotheisms warrants focus on them?