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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/4/2008 6:21:29 PM | "...Pretty sick i can tell you that."
Given that any of these things were actual events of course you would be correct!
Here's the twist...
You really need to believe something for it to have any significance... this is the one thing I have learned in my time on the forums - so you see let it pale into nothing for nothing is what it is and neither can it hurt you... or me. :) | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/4/2008 7:35:37 PM | But in all reality to believe in some thing that has no physical proof it had exsisted but also use what was tault by it can be Dangerous in the wrong hands.
Such as terror attacks,bombing,ect you be realy suprised what religion has done for it self .
To follow the word of there god such as Hell houses they have here in the states now .
Hell houses are haunted attractions typically run by North American, fundamentalist Christian churches or parachurch groups. These depict sin, the torments of the damned in Hell, and usually conclude with a depiction of heaven. They are most typically operated in the days preceding Halloween, although they are not part of the holiday.
A hell house, like a conventional haunted-house attraction, is a space set aside in which actors attempt to frighten patrons with gruesome exhibits and scenes. The format is that the various scenes are presented as a series of short vignettes with a narrated guide. Unlike haunted houses, hell houses focus on occasions and effects of sin or the fate of unrepentant sinners in the afterlife. They are scheduled during the month of October to capitalize on the similarities between hell houses and haunted attractions.
The exhibits at a hell house often have a controversial tone and focus on sins that are also issues of concern to evangelicals in the United States. Hell houses frequently feature exhibits that depict sin and its consequences. Common examples include abortion, suicide, use of alcoholic beverages[citation needed] and other recreational drugs, adultery and pre-marital sex, occultism, homosexuality, and Satanic ritual abuse. Hell houses typically emphasize the belief that anyone who does not accept Christ as their personal savior is damned to Hell.
This is real they have thease out there it is to scare you to the point you wont sin.
Another way how religion can be conciderd evil imagine that. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/4/2008 10:58:04 PM |
You really need to believe something for it to have any significance... this is the one thing I have learned in my time on the forums - so you see let it pale into nothing for nothing is what it is and neither can it hurt you... or me. :) I really like the way you put that.. nice :) | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 7:11:59 AM | Thanks sassy... it means soooo much to me. :)
Running Wolf... try to think of it this way:
Realization
There was a time
given another’s
instruction
it became my
destruction
There was a time
I questioned rights
from wrongs,
illusions
from delusions
There was a time
the breeze
had a chill,
a cry past me by,
hovered someone else’s sky
Now I feel the warmth
of another day
I say
let it pale into nothing
for nothing is what it is…
and neither can it hurt you.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/6/2008 2:39:58 AM | religion dont afect me infact as a athiest i tend to know alot of things such as how religion has turn out to be now in todays world .
But if any thing religion it self can be evil depending how far a person will go for there believes .
But thanks | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:28:02 PM | Can u imagine wot the world will be like once no one believes in anything or theres no longer faith or belief in anything or anyone?
I don't believe there is a giant zeus like figure sitting on a throne with a staff in his hand sitting on a cloud judging people..but i do believe theres something out there bigger than all of us,i do believe every human being is born with a conscience and that determines the choices and actions they make in their lives-be them right or wrong,good or evil-this to me is also wot gives someone their soul,the human body and spirit have so much energy in it,i cant believe it just dies out once the body has gone,otherwise wot wud b the point??-the universe holds to much energy and mysteries for anybody to say whether theres an afterlife or not,but where does all that energy and learning go?? -and if there is an afterlife-i know which version i'd rather go to!!
Whether we believe it or like it or not-someone called jesus (as well as others)did walk the earth once and made such a massive impact on the human race,on our thinking and on the way we treat each other,just by wot they taught in one life time-just to try and get people to do and be better than wot they were and 'religions' are still believeing in this today-personally-i'd rather believe in someone or thing that taught me to be a better person and have a good conscience -than have nothing to believe in or even wonder in!
Wot wud the world be like without xmas or even the toothfairy-without mystery or faith-be it in each other or something we can't see?-what wud have been in there place instead?-I dread to wonder! | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 3:17:37 PM | it's not religion it's the person. if you decide to bomb someone that is not my fault.
are scientists evil because they are capable of creating bombs?
is science innately evil because human beings are capable of creating things that can destroy the entire earth with one detonation?
human beings are innately evil.
whether you want to admit it or not.
and religion is not to blame for what people do.
it's funny about they want to blame religion for people, like Hitler, who say God a couple times .. but when it comes down to who founded the country, they want to say it wasn't founded by religious people.
it's crazy how atheists go around terrorizing Christians and calling them dumb and trying to tear down other people's faith yet we are the ones who are "evil." | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 6:22:12 PM | Okaytday has some very valid points. Should science be considered evil because it brought us chemical agents, nuclear weapons, bio-weapons, pollution, toxic shock syndrome, american idol (no t.v. no idol would almost be worth it), among others. Do we blame the whole IDEAL of science and brand it evil for what has DIRECTLY sprung from its research and application? Do we need to bring up the tuskeege experiments, the xray experiments in the 50s, cherynoble, 3 mile island, the galapogos islands, animal testing, the Drs in the nazi concentration camps like Joseph Mengala who commited obscene experiments on humans, and others you name it its probably been done all in the name of science. Do we brand the totality of science as evil?
Ofcourse not that would be silly. As equally as silly as blaming any religion by the actions of people who twisted it for thier own purposes.
For every act or attrocity that can be brought up and laid at religions feet I am sure you can find an equal number committed in the name of science. That just proves that the only common thread between the two .......is man. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:27:26 PM | Rather than rant, I would simply give two links here.
http://www.evilbible.com/
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Evil Bible is especially interesting.
I just started a group on Facebook that advocates that the Bible is more violent than video games. (Don't shun before you do your research.) Check it out. All arguments welcome.
Oh, and it's true that religion isn't evil. It's just stupid. People are evil, since people created it. Ignorance is bliss but comes at a cost... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:40:09 PM | Sorry 'bout the links rule. I missed it... though honestly, I don't understand it.
I thought it would be better than something long-winded that one could simply research themself. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/8/2008 9:53:58 PM | | Given as resonable support for an argument, links are overlooked. As a means to advertise or preach, they're prohibited. I think you're in the clear :) | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 4:11:20 PM | Why is it that if a person has a faith in some religion be it christian, muslim, judaism, wicca, shaminisim what ever. You have someone calling them stupid and ignorant for thier beliefs? Maybe you have had to hear that from some one professing to be a religious type so now its your turn. But I still dont get why people thinks its A) cool or B) makes your point have validity to redicule someone else's firmly held beliefs. You can say you dont agree and that you think a person is wrong, theres nothing wrong with that. But to think calling someone stupid or ignorant just for what they believe is perfectly alright, is the epidimy of eliteism.
One thing is that yes there is a ton of violence in the bible which is also counter balanced by the good messages that are in the bible. The balance of it registers to me in a spiritual way. The same as reading " A garden of pomagranites" or "The middle pillar" fulfills another path.
However to say that the bible is more violent then video games is a little sensational lol Granted your 23 I have been a gamer since the days of the atari and commodore 64. Now I continue gameing with the PS3, PC, Wii, and Xbox. (What can I say I use my daughter as an excuse for gaming addiction lol.) I am also an Avid pen and paper RPGer whitewolf, D&D, warhammer you name it. I have played a lot of games across a lot of different genres and Cant quite make out the justification that there is less violence in those games then in the bible. I mean hell there are maybe 4 to 7 different versions of the bible right now and how many games are there currently? just going by the numbers the statement doesnt hold any water. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 6:07:30 PM |
Why is it that if a person has a faith in some religion be it christian, muslim, judaism, wicca, shaminisim what ever. You have someone calling them stupid and ignorant for thier beliefs? Maybe you have had to hear that from some one professing to be a religious type so now its your turn. But I still dont get why people thinks its A) cool or B) makes your point have validity to redicule someone else's firmly held beliefs. You can say you dont agree and that you think a person is wrong, theres nothing wrong with that. But to think calling someone stupid or ignorant just for what they believe is perfectly alright, is the epidimy of eliteism.
It's dependant on the depth of delusion. The more "out there" the belief, the greater the wilful ignorance & intellectual dishonesty is needed to believe it...
...& intellectual dishonesty is not a hallmark of an otherwise intelligent person.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 7:23:08 PM | Amazingly cute. I am one of those people, (rare as the are apparently,) who likes "fact" and "reason". The Bible has neither of these, and it's also a complete contradiction. I say ignorant, yes, as in lacking knowledge. I lack much knowledge as well, but I also allow fact, not delusion, to sway me, and I read every side of a story I can find before placing my opinion. I also strive for "evolution through knowledge". I am neither atheist or theist. "You don't know, and I don't know either". Theists aren't the brightest either, assuming they *know* there is nothing.
The Bible is more violent than video games. I have never, ever been able to kill a baby, rape her older sister while slaughtering the parents in a video game. But the Bible says it's cool. GTA has had such bad time with the press because of a sexual minigame hackers pulled out. Otherwise, you mostly kill drug dealers, whores, which make you the most money. Yeah... Comparison? Not really.
There are those who are completely devout that believe everything in the Bible is truth, (just as they should; to believe only partially in a religion is to be agnostic,) and raise their children on these stories. Want to know one way to raise a serial killer? Give you a hint... It has nothing to do with video games.
One thing is that yes there is a ton of violence in the bible which is also counter balanced by the good messages that are in the bible. The balance of it registers to me in a spiritual way. The same as reading " A garden of pomagranites" or "The middle pillar" fulfills another path.
It doesn't balance. There is way more malevolence than benevolence.
And it's only video games I speak of. Roleplaying is its own thing, the graphicness determined by the PCs and NPCs. (Ours is dam*ned bloody, but there is still no baby killing.)
I mean hell there are maybe 4 to 7 different versions of the bible right now and how many games are there currently? just going by the numbers the statement doesnt hold any water.
And all those versions of the Bible have mass baby killing, and no video game that I've noticed does. If you present one to me, I'll go on a spree to get it taken off the market. So what exactly is your point? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 7:27:22 PM | Limey your a perfect example of what not to be. not for your beliefs per say but for the thought that anyone who doesnt agree with you is either A) willfully ignorant or B) intellectually dishonest. How can you have such an eliteist attitude? Why is it that if someone has faith they only fall into those two catagories? The jab at anyone with faith or belief as being less then intelligent is truly juvenile.
Limey i dont know why you feel the need to label all people with faith (in anything ) as being willfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest. But I do see that you must have either a) met a few religious types (ie certain overzealous wackjobs) who so soured you on any faith system that you label anyone who has faith (in anything) that way. (which is in itself childish as you based your opinon on the tinest fraction of humanity out there). Or B) you like to feel better about yourself by demeaning others who are different then you.
You cant prove there isnt a divinity or after life and I cant prove to you there is. So why cant we leave it at that instead of trying to belittle each other? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 7:36:02 PM | Faith - belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
Ignorance - lack of knowledge
Faith implies a lack of knowledge (proof) and therefore the word "ignorance" suits it quite fine.
Speaking on the contrary, assuming you know that there is nothing when you also do not have proof of that is also ignorant. Science, 100 years from now, will be much different from now. (Though it seems the more science develops, the more theology crumbles and the devout get all riled up.) | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 7:44:37 PM | Limey your a perfect example of what not to be. not for your beliefs per say but for the thought that anyone who doesnt agree with you is either A) willfully ignorant or B) intellectually dishonest. How can you have such an eliteist attitude? Why is it that if someone has faith they only fall into those two catagories? The jab at anyone with faith or belief as being less then intelligent is truly juvenile.
Limey i dont know why you feel the need to label all people with faith (in anything ) as being willfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest. But I do see that you must have either a) met a few religious types (ie certain overzealous wackjobs) who so soured you on any faith system that you label anyone who has faith (in anything) that way. (which is in itself childish as you based your opinon on the tinest fraction of humanity out there). Or B) you like to feel better about yourself by demeaning others who are different then you.
You cant prove there isnt a divinity or after life and I cant prove to you there is. So why cant we leave it at that instead of trying to belittle each other?
Thank you, you proved my point perfectly. It's not a case of agreeing with me or not, I really couldn't care less. It's a case of deliberately ignoring scientific FACT. People who ignore fact are intellectually dishonest & like I've said before, if you can't be honest with yourself, you can't be trusted by others.
It matters not a jot if you think that is childish when it's explained to you, it does matter if you wish to progress from 14th century superstition & want to be taken seriously by other people. It's not about any divinity or is there is an afterlife or not.
It really is *that simple*.
There's a video on youtube with 10 questions for christians. I think it's on the godhatesamputees website. Give it a look & then give an HONEST answer. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 8:38:05 PM | "In Fallout and Fallout 2 it is possible for the player to kill very young children, though doing so earns you the "Childkiller" title and greatly decreases your reputation. Of course, the European release of the game was Bowdlerised specifically to prevent this (to the extent that certain quests cannot be completed, and the player can have their items stolen without realizing it). This is commented on in Fallout 2."
"In the video game Clock Tower 3, one of the first scenes is a young girl, around ten or eleven, being viciously beaten to death with a sledge hammer"
"Resident Evil 4 leaves hints of what happened to the children of the village. Early in the game a very small skeletal hand can be found on a bench near an impaled woman, and the ending credits shows children in the village, the last shot showing a child has a child playing while a zombie sharpens a knife."
"Jojos Bizarre Adventure both plays it straight and subverts it in the first part. On the straight-up scale, this is how Jonathan and, later, Lisa Lisa live to maturity. On the subversion scale, Dio is confronted with a mother that begs him to kill her and spare her baby. He takes her up on it. Unfortunately for the kid, the now-vampirized mother is both ravenous and lacking in maternal feelings... Thank the gods the scene cuts away at that point.
Later, an old woman with the power to control the dead and wounded uses corpses as weapons, needing to only wound someone once to win a fight. The corpse that deals a wound? It's a baby. Using its tongue. As a knife"
"The Little Sisters of Bioshock have turned Infant Immortality into an actual superpower. Having their bodies infused with ADAM makes them basically indestructible to anything and everything in your arsenal... unless you "harvest" them, which removes the symbiont that stores their ADAM and kills them in the process. "
so I expect to see you running to go get it off the shelves.
RapeLay a PC game is a rape simulator if there is a genre well there are sickos who will turn it into a game so your argument that the bible is more violent then video games holds no water even when you added the cavet (later) of baby killings.
Limey limey limey the only point I proved with your help was that your oversimplification of things truley is ignorant. Science has YET to prove as FACT that there is no divinity. I mean really come on, show me where it has proven there is no divinity. Notice I am not say the judeo christian g-d thing just plain old divinity, and I am not talking about the bible, torah, quran, wiccan manuel or whatever. Just prove that there isnt a divine or after life. I would love to see the proof you have that scientifically proves there isnt a divinity. I see that you sir are intellectually dishonest using your own diffinition because your ignoring scientific fact.
No true scientest following the scientific method can say as fact that there is no divinity because hell how would you quantify or test for it. I am sure that in the future science will be able to come up with a test for it and until then no one can know as FACT that there is or isnt a divinity. So isnt persecuting others for thier beliefs and labeling them as untrustworthy, ignorant, and intellectually inferior just your pregudice showing? Does it make you get a warm tinglely on the inside to feel superior to others? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 8:47:22 PM |
Limey limey limey the only point I proved with your help was that your oversimplification of things truley is ignorant. Science has YET to prove as FACT that there is no divinity. I mean really come on, show me where it has proven there is no divinity. Notice I am not say the judeo christian g-d thing just plain old divinity, and I am not talking about the bible, torah, quran, wiccan manuel or whatever. Just prove that there isnt a divine or after life. I would love to see the proof you have that scientifically proves there isnt a divinity. I see that you sir are intellectually dishonest using your own diffinition because your ignoring scientific fact.
No true scientest following the scientific method can say as fact that there is no divinity because hell how would you quantify or test for it. I am sure that in the future science will be able to come up with a test for it and until then no one can know as FACT that there is or isnt a divinity. So isnt persecuting others for thier beliefs and labeling them as untrustworthy, ignorant, and intellectually inferior just your pregudice showing? Does it make you get a warm tinglely on the inside to feel superior to others?
Apparently you missed the part in my previous post where I stated that it's not about divinity or afterlife. Go back & read it again, but remember that part about it not being about divinity etc.
I was talking about people creationists belief that evolution isn't *observable fact*, people who think the biblical flood actually happened, the parting of the red sea & other supernatural myths etc. People who believe in the flood myth ARE intellectually dishonest, they are conning themselves & any other halfwit who will believe what they tell them.
hth. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 9:19:33 PM | I don't see the point of a belief or faith that isn't supported by factual reality. THAT doesn't make sense to me.. and I think it's delusional to value blind faith over knowledge. Hope can have it's place in helping humans get through trying times, until reality becomes bearable.. being able to IMAGINE a better life, or better circumstances is a strength humans have, considering we have to live with awareness of our own mortality...
It's like the whole "religion" thing is a big mind fvck from some invisible being and it's "representatives" on earth... and to this reasonable thinking person that just does not jive with what I have observed of the universe. It's more like a species wide psychological defense mechanism... now when I figure out it's purpose I'll get back to you.
That said I understand spirituality pretty well. That makes sense to me. The connectedness of all life, or even everything in the universe...sure, I can see that. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 9:37:43 PM | | I said "babies", not "children", so you have yet to actually reply. I will admit, though, that I will never play those games nor allow my daughter to play them. This Bible is still more violent, though. Perhaps you're ignoring those peices? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 10:14:08 PM | Those were just examples of mainstream games Hiryuu, I havent even gotten into the games that are made as shareware by certain less then mentally stable individuals. Again if you can think of a genre then there is a programmer out there who made it. hell a week after the virgina tech slaughter there was a PC game made about it.
I am not ignoring the violence in the bible not at all, nor in any other religious book. But even if you take all the worlds religious books took out all the violent acts and tallied them up, you cannot seriously say that it is a greater number of acts then the violence in every video game ever made tallied up. Hell in Manhunt you get bonus points for the level of brutality you use to kill someone. Just by the numbers of every video game ever made that is statiscaly impossible.
Remember your initial post was about violence you only later said "well it has more baby killings" and read fully my prior post two quotes mention a baby being eaten by its vampirized mother and a corpse baby killing people with its tongue (hint it didnt become a corpse baby by dieing of old age). And again that is a mainstream game.
If you really believe in your heart of hearts that the bible has more acts of violence in it then get a pin and paper and for everyone one act of violence make a check mark on the paper go through the bible page by page then tally it up. When you get a number let me know and I bet I can at the very least match that number of acts of violence with some online sessions of call of duty 4 or playing a couple hours of WoW, Bioshock, Warhammer 40k, or halflife. Remember every act is one check mark. So lets get to it I will be warming up with some call of duty 4, shoot me an email when you get the number I need to beat lol.
I know I am being a bit facetious just understand I dont really mean anyone any disrespect (not even you limey ). I just dont like the endless put downs one side levels at another and the rank smell of superiority that exudes during these discussions. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 11:29:05 PM | | I believe in teh Christian religion but, there are many HATERS.....people who infultrait the church and are hypocrits support things completely not allowed in the Bible......but guess what God always sets things strait he controls everthing and he gets his justice one way or another but, what I hate to see is the liars and hypocrites of christianity.......we shoudl have higher standars as christians...no wonder people think we a bullshizers........ | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/9/2008 11:33:02 PM | | okaytday.........thanks for representing the reality........people are flawed...the Holy Bible calls for us to control this nature......that's why there are rules LIFE IS A DELICATE BALANCE.......TRY READING WHA THE BIBLE SAYS YOU MAY AGREE WITH IT ALOT MORE THEN YOU REALIZE..... | |
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