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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/10/2008 9:33:20 PM | I think you may have misread the part about free will etc if you believe this:
but guess what God always sets things strait he controls everthing
If thats the case, then apparently the christian god is responsible for everything....? & I want to know just why the **** he keeps making me pick the wrong lottery numbers? | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/13/2008 12:12:24 AM | TheLimey,
Well mate because you didn't pray to the christain god and ask him to lol.
Or maybe this is a punishment for not believing in him god is all seeing and all knowing right give me a brake lol.
You know how many times i went to get lottery tickets and there loosers how many time's i ask for a new car seval did it come ? think not did i win the lottery ? i think not.
I dont know what to tell ya mate but god willing we will win right lol | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/13/2008 10:16:47 AM | Getting back on line.
Religion being "evil"? This word is most often used as a descriptor of an act or human being, so NO … religion can’t be evil anymore than science (search for natures truths)
The problem with religion lies in the people it attracts… Those wishing to be led and those wishing to lead. It’s a perfect match for the growth of ignorance. For example, the denial of evolution is fostered by church leaders in order to keep their flock(interesting choice of words?) from thinking for themselves. Because these flockers can so easily be controlled, religion is often usurped by leaders who can’t get followers through reasoning. Witch burning is one of a thousand atrocities done in the name of god.
On the other hand atheists are independent thinkers and attempting to get them to follow is like trying to herd a flock of cats. Individually they may be evil but they don’t participate in group evil.
To be fair to religion it must be remembered that it came about in a time of ignorance. The very nature of our species inquisitive minds called for answers to the world around us, to meaning in life, to all those questions we still ask ourselves today. “Because god said so ” were the first words ever said by the original con artist. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/14/2008 9:15:28 AM | We have a single book verses hundreds of games? No, obviously if we're going to play tally, the games have more. They're still being created. My problem is that violent video games recieve such ratings and negative exposure, where children are encouraged to read the Bible. The Bible is more violent than most games, (even the violent ones,) and every good Christian household has stories of murder and rape sitting nonchalantly around. This... doesn't make sense somehow. I'm an advocate of game warnings, and yes, there are sick people out there who program. We try to protect our children from these people.
So who's protecting children from the Bible? Also, on the opposite side, concerning the positive morals, (as there is far more negative,) I shall worship Pokemon. Pokemon teaches friendship, love, sharing, honesty, and devotion among other things... Without discrimination and murder. My daughter isn't kind because I teach her she's going to Hell if she's not. She's kind because I am kind and others are kind in turn. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/14/2008 10:08:42 AM | Hiryuu,
Children dont need to fear of such thing's made up to scare them such was written in the 8th and 10th centry (the bible) To be told if you sin You burn in Hell.
I believe it is a form of child abuse to put that in a child's head among's other thing's that would give a child nightmare's.
A child need's love and kindness needs to learn good morals and a child learns from every one around them they will act as you act and learn from what you do or say.
A child's mind is a sponge it asorb's every thing around them. So as for the teaching's of a book where there's nothing but murder, betray,ect that would be not a good thing to tell your child you better be good or you burn in hell or the boogie man will get you.
As for what's on tv is another story i dont understand why they put all thease cartoon's on there that show's nothing but war,killing,guns.ect and my niece love's dora and Pokemon ,and even scooby doo .But religion should be a option not to put in children's head's it's almost as brain washing them so when they get older they do the same to there children .
Now i dont know if you ever heard of Richard Dawkins-Root of All Evil? Part 2: The Virus of Faith?
In this book and video that despite science having exposed old religious myths, militant faith is back on the march? The mechanism for perpetuating beliefs that Dawkins describes as leading to murderous intolerance, is by imposing religion on children who are too inexperienced to judge it for themselves.
We wouldn't categorise children according to their parents' political stance, says Dawkins, since they are too young to make up their minds about such matters. But we segregate them in sectarian religious schools, where they are taught superstitions drawn from ancient scriptures of dubious origin, which promote a 'contradictory and poisonous system of morals'.
It is very interesting to learn I seem to like what he has to say.
But any how i thought i exspress my opion have a good day,
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/14/2008 6:13:28 PM |
In this book and video that despite science having exposed old religious myths, militant faith is back on the march? The mechanism for perpetuating beliefs that Dawkins describes as leading to murderous intolerance, is by imposing religion on children who are too inexperienced to judge it for themselves ^^^ The above reads like a direct quote without attribution. No harm in that. But it's dishonest to pass it off as your own. Is it original or are you (once again) cutting and pasting from others and passing it off as your own "opinion"?
Edit: I Googled one long phrase and found it quoted word for word on FOUR different sites.
Bad, bad, boy!
/rolled up newspaper /smack / | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/14/2008 7:15:49 PM | i stated in this book and video exsplaing what richard dawkin's has mention in his video wich is also a athiest but also feels as i do to bring religion to a child to frighten them about hell is child abuse to teach them about religious myths and if u can read as
Dawkins by imposing religion to a child can do more harm than good witch iam very original because i have heard dawkins speek infact i shook hands with him and have his Autograph on one of the book's i have paid for. So in any case what i hve seen on here is seval people who have copied and pasted gospels of the bible on here and even copied and repasted other people's word's to.
So again what are christains so worried about are they afraied to know the truth that the bible was not written till the 8th and 10th centry wich was the old tesament wich discribe there god as unplesent god.
So as i have stuied through the yeaars and also have read seval of dawkins books and heard him speek you be surprised wat you can learn.
So befor preaching to some one who may of used a sentance in the forumyou may question your self have you not done it your self?
Not to be rude but People out there in thease forums have done this to .
But it's my opion that religion should never be forced on a child nor scared to death if they sin they burn in hell . | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/16/2008 5:40:00 AM | I would like to post comment on this thread. I apologise if what I say has already been said because I have only read the first 4 pages and the thought of wading through the next 28 has defeated me. If anyone has said what I am about to say then I would be supportive . Merrylass in thread 15 made sense to me.
Back to the subject about Religion being the true evil in the world........that would not be my observation. Actually I see MAN himself being the true evil in the world. Wherever there is evil perpetrated MAN aint very far away. .....MAN with all his frailties, looking to "gain an edge".....usually over his fellow man. I think when MAN brings his inherent selfishness to the table then the spectre and reality of evil is not that far behind. On the other side of the coin it is also my observation that MAN is capable of breath taking "unconditional "love for his fellow MAN because I have had the priveledge of having had one or two of these rare individuals cross my path.
I quite like the assumptions that flow from the observation made by Otto Rank one of Freud's sidekicks who said" The dynamic evil is the attempt to make the world other than it is, to make it what it cannot be, a place free from injury and impurity, a place free from death and suffering" The is something that parallels Buddist philosophy in there soemewhere!
I do feel that there would be a liitle more hope for MAN if he took his own inventory a bit more often and could be truthful about what he discovered . .....that he ceased to be asleep to the real motives driving him and stopped justifying and making excuses for his subsequent behaviour and blaming everyman an his dog........ religion included! | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/16/2008 1:28:09 PM | shayma,
I see MAN himself being the true evil in the world. Wherever there is evil perpetrated MAN aint very far away. .....MAN with all his frailties, looking to "gain an edge".....usually over his fellow man
So if this is true in how you must feel do you hate men all together? And not all men act evil i asume women out there who are just as bad as men when it come's to evil thing's.
But also i wouldn't bash all women just because a few did bad thing's or evil thing's.
Religion has been cruel the old testament shows the christain god to be a unhappy god not as a loving god.But written from gosples an tex also states later on to have his only son nailed to the cross for are sins but my question is if god is all loving and forgiving why have his son put to death for are sins if he can forgive us himself.
But u see men being the true evil in the world why just men why not women aint women also humen and have done evil things as well . Athother words if you where raised in a strong believe and if you swore by it ok now like paul hill or jim jones and others who have followed religion to kill for god because it was told by god to kill why is it differnt for women to make that same mistake .
So religion has been used evil for thousands of years the toture, the wars ,the killing and it still carry's on till today. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/17/2008 7:49:17 AM | Wolf
I used "MAN" in the generic sense. Women were also included in that definition.
May I correct what I sense is you having not heard what I have said.
Please dont confuse an "observation" I make ,with what I "feel." I did not at any time express a feeling that I hate all men. Quite the contrary actually.
Lastly you would confirm my belief when you say "So religion has been used for evil for thousands of years " I think the evil comes from those who use religion ie "MAN" (including women), not the religion itself".
Love Shay | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/17/2008 10:38:48 PM | iam sorry but i didn't see women mention at all in the post iam sorry i didnt see it.
But the way it sounded as i may of read it a differnt way that man are all evil.
In any case some take what they read differnt from some other's iam not going to put you down at all i respect what your feeling's are .
But yes religion was used by the romen empire and through the church to scare people or better to use it as power and control as we know as spiking men and women on post or a cross so that many can see what would happen if they went against there ruling meaning the roman's.
But also religion can be exspressed in differnt ways such as books teachings ect what i posted befor was that children shouldn't be told such thing's as hell ect it frightens them and a child's head is like a sponge it asorb's every thing it has been taught.
Or to exposed old religious myths on children who are too inexperienced to judge it for themselves.
Or to exspress any kind of political stance to children since they are too young to make up their minds about such matters. That where iam getting at about religion it has been used as a tool for thousands of years so to teach are children that is like forcing religion on them to make them like us what we where taught.But again it's from the teaching's from the christain god so is religion evil i can be it depends on how it is used .
But again iam sorry if i may of affended you but men and women shouldn't take the blame for it there going by what they where taught by the teachings of god and what is written in a book so for exsampl if your parents taught you about santa clause if your bad you wont get anything for christmas it's a way of teaching you to behave and in your mind you believe in santa clause but as you get older you realize there was no santa but your parents placing gifts under the tree.
That's the same as what religion is to children. but take care and have a good day
mike | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/18/2008 9:09:23 PM | If no one believed in God or spiritual forces, evil, cruelty and wars would still exist. The justifications may change but evil will remain. If Atheists become a majority, then the majority of people who do evil will be Atheists, yes on the face of it it's a duh statement but my point is Atheists may not look to God or the Bible or the Koran or whatever for justification, but evil will still continue unabated. But my guess, and yes it's a guess, they'll probably end up turning on those who still believe and be ungracious and unkind in their treatment.
Religion is used a lot as a justification for negative attitudes and oppression. But there are many, many, wonderful religious and wonderful beautiful Theists in the world. But they don't get the press do they? They quietly live there lives not drawing attention to their beliefs. The squeaky wheel gets the attention. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 12:08:47 AM |
If Atheists become a majority, then the majority of people who do evil will be Atheists, yes on the face of it it's a duh statement but my point is Atheists may not look to God or the Bible or the Koran or whatever for justification, but evil will still continue unabated. But my guess, and yes it's a guess, they'll probably end up turning on those who still believe and be ungracious and unkind in their treatment.
No one has ever started a war or killed people by being *too rational*
.. & evil is a religious term, there are good & bad, but only delusional religions have 'evil" | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 1:13:31 AM |
No one has ever started a war or killed people by being *too rational*
Merely not believing in God does not make one rational. If no one believed in God there will still be people harming other people, that is what I call evil.
.. & evil is a religious term, there are good & bad, but only delusional religions have 'evil"
Although it's a term that some religions use, linguistically, evil is not a religious term. And I would say that after having three family members murdered and several female members sexually molested as children, evil is a more appropriate term than the word "bad". | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:00:26 AM |
Although it's a term that some religions use, linguistically, evil is not a religious term. And I would say that after having three family members murdered and several female members sexually molested as children, evil is a more appropriate term than the word "bad".
There are a host of clinical terms used to describe the type of person who does stuff like that, "evil" isn't one of them. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 8:47:50 PM |
There are a host of clinical terms used to describe the type of person who does stuff like that, "evil" isn't one of them.
It's a word. Words having meanings. Dictionaries list those meanings.
Websters Dictionary.
Pronunciation:
\ˈē-vəl, British often & US also ˈē-(ˌ)vil\
Function:
adjective
1 a: morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct 2 aarchaic : inferior b: causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive c: disagreeable 3 a: causing harm : pernicious b: marked by misfortune : unlucky
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If you wish to view it with a different meaning or say that it's a religious term, well you can say what you want. But evil isn't strictly a religious word; simple fact.
Religion isn't the true evil in the world. People are. People are also good. And people are indifferent. And people are a lot of things. People might use religion to do evil. People can use a lot of things to do evil. If nobody believed in God or religion, all the things which everybody else but you calls evil, will still be done. People will still be greedy and vengeful and possessive and abusive and cruel. Wars will still go on and on. And of course there will still be good people as well. Good I hear comes from the word God and so may be considered a religious word, but in it's use it isn't limited to religious discussion. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:49:39 PM |
Good I hear comes from the word God and so may be considered a religious word, but in it's use it isn't limited to religious discussion.
It just happens to be the first 3 letters of my last name. & the *god* part in that case comes from Goat...so maybe you're all worshipping the devil... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:33:59 AM |
It just happens to be the first 3 letters of my last name. & the *god* part in that case comes from Goat...so maybe you're all worshipping the devil...
Not me, I don't worship anything. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:13:37 AM | I have not read the thread, but, as I imagine others will have said, I believe the whole concept of God is quite different than your view, OP of "sky fairy"....."invisible god creature".
I agree formal religion seems to preach unity on one hand, but takes it away with the other in their practice of passing down obvious rules of exclusivity on who can practice that religion and what they must do in the name of God .....often to the point of killing, historically.
I think all our paths and what is out there, and in here that we are exposed to is for perhaps the purpose of allowing us to find what resonates as truth in us....in each of us. For every theory that says God is out there or up there, you will find as many that say 'he' is in here, in each of us.....and then you will have those theories that say it is both - one and the same....and then those that say you find God in the nature and in the animal or mineral or vegatable kingdom...and then you will have those people who do not agree with any concept offered with a premise that we have a divine nature in us, or out there, either....so there is the full spectrum of beliefs from all separateness to the one that preaches unity - one -ness with each other and everything (including God if one believes it).
What gets us all in trouble, I think, is when we feel our beliefs are the only 'right' ones, meaning all others are 'wrong'. Spiritual and religious views tend to be very close to one's heart and soul, and so defending and attacking seems to appear more....as your original post, OP, also does, as well as it shows you see yourself as separate.
To me we are all aspects of each other.....and each have a right to our views, but telling another they are wrong means we are opening ourselves up to be told we are wrong.
Rather than using the concepts of right and wrong, or good and evil, why don't we think more along the lines of what works and what does no work. Clearly religion does not work for you, OP, but for some it brings them a sense of peace and love and respect for themselves and each other. For others, it doesn't. It is our choice - it is always our choice once we move beyond childhood to believe what we wish.....for that is human nature after all (imo). Finding what resonates as truth in each of us, for each of us, by each of us, I think is one of those purposes of each of our lives.
So, thank you for your thread - it helps always to have an avenue that helps us clarify our views....and sometimes slight adjustments can happen also - if another writes something that resonates as truth, or not. For I, personally, think we are all students and teachers of each other. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:05:43 AM | | I dont think there is a true evil religion in the world. They all have different beliefs. what I find right with my religion, another may find evil. What I find evil with another religion, another may find it to be the right way. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:27:14 AM | What gets us all in trouble, I think, is when we feel our beliefs are the only 'right' ones, meaning all others are 'wrong'.
Thanks,my Dear Girl for stating this, and echoing this again, for it bears repeating/ as Kimbo said many times....mostly Christians...and perhaps Jehova Witness are just some of those in the recruitment biz. I will always stand by my claim that Agnostics or Atheists 'know' more facts about the bible than the church Lemmings and thumpers....sorry, it just came out that way....
Bible:
God’s sovereignty is supposed to be a comfort to us, not an issue to be concerned about or debate over. Second, we are to live our lives making wise decisions in accordance with God’s Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17; James 1:5).
For someone to even title a post ..religion is the True Evil in the world, somehow shows the 'effect' of religions on humans....for the concept of Evil...is religious / not spiritual in Nature.
Native Cultures and older more profoundBelief Systems....believed, and still do believe.. in good periods, bad periods, fertile times, barren times...there was no real
mention of best deeds...or evildoing. Either the gods or Spirits were favorable....or not..and mortals rolled in conjunction with what simply 'was'
It was natural, real, oraganic and more in harmony with how the planet spins. Like most things before any Organization takes over rationale and crushes spiritual beliefs that were in place , and handed down as gifts for hundreds of generations.
talk later
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:22:45 AM | Ok i did some rsearch on this topic to finly put a end to the question is religion the true evil well according to this i would vote yes but thats me this is what u dont see from the teachings in the new testament.
God Commands Burning Humans
[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)
Burn Nonbelievers
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Child Sacrifice
And this became a hidden trap for mankind, because men, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority, bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared. Afterward it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customs… (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV) The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God worshipers.
Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.
Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-****. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
So the next time some Christian tells you about the "love of God", show them this and ask them "Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?"
I can go on and on pulling scriptures out and showing proof that God is no so loving and that religion is evil but dont take my word for it thats for you to decide | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:50:10 AM | your final post and words, op, having just read them are troubling me. you try and give evidence of your beliefs by citing things from the bible to back up those beliefs and chosing to interpret them in the way you are, coming from your basic belief God is evil...what you're actually saying - forget putting it under the umbrella group of 'religion'.
and then you write this as your final sentence -
I can go on and on pulling scriptures out and showing proof that God is no so loving and that religion is evil but dont take my word for it thats for you to decide.
you remind me of a scientist who decides the results he wants to achieve and then goes and does the tests in a way to qualify his beliefs.
to me evil exists when I see all this energy choosing to try to prove it does....
the fact that you believe it does and have given it so much energy looking for it, looking for proof of it, is very disheartening.
you could be putting just as much energy into looking for the beauty and love and incredible spiritual lessons that can be found too.....and 'prove' them in an equally subjective fashion....or just live them would be a better use of energy in my opinion......
but you chose instead to look for the darkness - and then to try and prove it. this saddens me.
EDIT to add: realize I forgot to explain why I think it's bad to be looking for proof of evil rather than blessing - because I have the understanding and belief that whatever we put our attention and energy into grows more powerful.
I also am not denying evil exists for I think we have all possibilites within us from giving love to witholding it - from honoring our unity and connection to dishonoring and believing there is none.....but I don't agree with your saying religion or God is the true evil - I think our own actions of complete disrespect for each other is.....like torture.
yes, I agree beliefs in the name of religion and God have created many evil actions - but it's the actions themselves that are the true evil in the world and we were given free will - we can not pass the buck (imo) and ignore facts in history - in our actions that have been felt as evil.....stemming from our beliefs. It is our beliefs - our own that we have and are responsible for that is the true evil in the world is what I've been trying to say. | |
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