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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 6:27:25 AM | I've seen most of black wolf's quoted examples before, and agree that they would show an angry, psychopathic control freak of a God if they actually described real events that genuinely took place. Is the narrator who is laying down all these rules, regulations and punishments really transcribing verbatim the words of YHWH or is he just making it up?
My admittedly limited 50 year experience of life, educates me to believe that gods do not contact people to demand obedience or to threaten violent retribution. Any modern person who claimed such contact would be subjected to demands for proof, and stories of "voices in the head" would not convince many.
I wonder how God is alleged to have communicated in the above extracts, and how was this verified. I'm guessing the ancient Israelites didn't have our modern standards of evidence. In the almost certain absence of an impressively divine sounding voice, booming down from the sky, the deed of laying down these scriptures was probably done by some supposedly "inspired" priestly type, jotting down his violent fantasies, much like one of those blood thirsty American bozo's who fulminate profusely on the Death Penalty and gun control threads.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 6:43:59 AM | ^^mmmm....part of me thought to put this in my last post, but it was getting long already..... it is possible the 'word of God' believed to be written in the bible might not be utter truth and provable as such, but my understanding is they are metaphorical teachings on different levels for different levels of interpretation. i think it's very interesting they can be interpreted in completely opposite directions also - another one of those divine paradox's perhaps to show 'everything contains the seed of its apparent opposite' (the definition of yin/yang as I was taught it)....or perhaps these apparent contradictions are there to show us and teach us not to get too attached to any one point of view. 
I have a correction - I called black wolf the op and he is not. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 7:07:56 AM | But thease where written in text in the old testament also the teaching's of the bible written by man from god .
But regardless of the scriptures you can not say thease are not the teaching's from god or why is it put in to a book called the bible for all to see think about it for a moment and ask your self if thease scriptures came from the bible is it not evil to teach what is written and also where looking at the time where there was killings Sacrifice's ect almost as a Medieval times but comanments by god.
This is what's written and taught for 2,000 years or more if not less so to read what the scriptures tell it shows the christain god more of a unplesent god then a loving god but take it as you want it but you cant say it is not written in the bible . | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 7:20:32 AM | May I remind you the bible is not just a book for Christians - and you are making rather huge assumptions you may not realize.....remember Christianity is not the only religion in the world and there are many sacred religious books that teach - the bible is not the only one - and there are many many many interpretations of each and every line in it, never mind you are reading english translations which of course is not its original language. And just to be very clear - I do not pray to 'a Christian God', but to 'God' - totally non-denominational....I was not brought up Christian, after all. If the interpretations of the bible and God you were raised with have resulted in your believing God is not loving, and only evil then perhaps you might look at the origins of where your beliefs came from.....for they are very strong and I don't think you were born with them. :) (and i do realize you're trying to show they came from the bible - but are you sure you haven't had any other influences also that might have added weight to your beliefs?)
Please know, I believe everyone has a right to their beliefs - but no one has the right to tell anyone else their beliefs are wrong. So, I'm not trying to convince you you are wrong, simply to ask you not to try and convince me to agree with you because I won't, just as you are choosing not to agree with me. It's just different opinions and each have rights to make that choice for themselves.....free will after all.....and living in a time we are not being forced into any religious beliefs against our will....well, other than the occasional writer on the religious forums that gets a bit carried away. :)
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:55:13 AM | | Well, people did commit many inhuman things because of religion; however, depends on what religion you are talking about, but those who said was done in the name of the Christianity, did not know or were not true Christians even if them might and considered they were... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:59:22 AM | This thread is will go on forever, much like trying to find absolute pie. 
Here is my pennies worth anyway:
Satan is the true evil of this world, such is the power of his falling that he has blinded the minds of many and will contiune to do so. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:04:38 PM | | each to his own opinion - for me - blaming God or Satan for our inhumanity is not taking responsibility for our own actions, thoughts, feelings, anger, revenge, injustice, judgement, closed mind and closed heartedness....cruelty. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 12:12:46 PM | Ok i did some rsearch on this topic to finly put a end to the question is religion the true evil well according to this i would vote yes but thats me this is what u dont see from the teachings in the new testament. Finally put an end to the question? that was just too funny. Such hubris! And cutting and pasting of a web site is hardly "research". But it suits your personal agenda and bias, so I guess that's all that really matters, eh? Anyway, it's very ancient (Jewish) history and not something I can relate to in terms of my "religion". But I'm sure that won't stop you grinding on about it anyway.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 1:46:59 PM | when i pulled up research it was not directed to any one its facts and proof what it says in the holy bible from the old testament wich clearly shows that a god was not a loving god but a god that was shown to be vry unplesent god and what are people afraied of to understand the truth of what its written and the topic is Religion is the True EVIL in the world well i think by adding a few verses from the old testament should be clare enough to proof that theres more to the story then you may think.
iam a athiest but thats me i dont force or judge others for there believes thats not me at all infact if your happy with it so be it.
By the way romanticoptimist,
I have to tell ya i spent most of my years studying the bible and i hate to brake it to ya but did u not just copy and pasted my words just today and further more dont every one on this site has copied and pasted one time another even collage kids do research from books and write a what they learn.
The bibe it self was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, wich was the old testament consists of thirty-nine books. The books themselves were originally written in Hebrew, and later on in the Aramaic language of Palestine; the Greek language version written after the conquest of Alexander the Great is known as the Septuagint. Melito, a bishop of Sardis in Lydia.
Wich All this leads to the conclusion that the earliest writings in the Bible were set down around 1400 BC.
The writings of the thirty or so other contributors to the Old Testament span a thousand years! They recount the times and messages from Moses' successor, Joshua, to the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi, who wrote his little tract around 450 bc Then there is a 500-year period when no writings were contributed to the Bible
The New Testament was written during a much shorter period, i.e. during the last half of the first century AD.
13th to the 15th centry i believe but again The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors. The Bible is a compilation of 66 separate books, divided into two primary divisions: the Old Testament (containing 39 books) and the New Testament (containing 27 books). It is believed that all of the books of the Bible were written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
And the The first five books of the Old Testament (known as the Pentateuch or Torah) was written by Moses during the forty years that the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness (1450 - 1410 B.C.). The twelve historical books of the Old Testament continue to record the history of the people of Israel under the leadership of Joshua, through the period of the Judges and the reign of the kings of Israel. The books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther record the history of Israel following its period of captivity under Babylonian rule. The historical books span the history of Israel from 1050 - 465 B.C.
so yes i know a lot of it im not judging any one for what u believe in just showing what it is told and written in the bible so in any case in other cultures people have worshiped differnt god's ,
For exsample Human sacrifice was an aspect of historical Aztec culture/religion, although the extent of the practice is debated by scholars. The Spaniards who first met the Aztecs explicitly stated in their writings that human sacrifice was widely practiced in Mesoamerica as amongs other religions have done to please there god's so again what iam saying is not tended to any one but a way of showing that religion has been used for evil not that im saying any one here is bad but history does show a lot if you take the time to understand what realy happend in those days and with Modern Technology it has pretty much proofen a lot in todays world.
But is some cultures even today they follow the old ways still you just dont hear about it any more .
I do apolize if any one felt afended but im clearly showing what has been docamented and written in the book. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 1:47:21 PM | Well, people did commit many inhuman things because of religion; however, depends on what religion you are talking about, but those who said was done in the name of the Christianity, did not know or were not true Christians even if them might and considered they were... Very true. But let us not be mislead into thinking that even true Christians are incapable of committing acts of evil. Not true, not even close. As Christians, we can do things that go against our religion and our God. We can be ignorant of His commandments. But you may say, "But the Holy Spirit will quicken them to evil"! Yes, but if a Christian continually ignores the Holy Spirit for long periods of time, we do not hear/feel Its voice clearly any longer and we may think what we are doing is right, when what we are doing is wrong.
And let us not forget that our enemy, the father of all lies, deceives us all, at times, especially those capable of great evil, (those who hold power) and can trick us into performing evil when in fact, we think we are doing what is right.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/31/2008 7:35:00 AM | | "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world."James1:27 | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:45:06 AM | I don't believe in religion, as I believe it separates rather than unifies mankind.
However, I follow the teachings of Jesus and I do believe in the bible, and other spiritual teachings as well. i believe they all point to a greater truth.
As for evil, I believe the seeds grow from the thoughts in our own minds and hearts. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/31/2008 9:16:47 AM |
did u not just copy and pasted my words just today Yes, I did. It's called "quoting" and the fact is indicated by the yellow box. It also serves to indicate what part of a lengthy message I'm actually replying to. You have a constant habit of presenting other people's work as your own "research" 'and "ideas" as your own. The thing is it's easy to spot. The unattributed work rarely mangles the English language like you do. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 9/2/2008 9:35:54 PM | To be or not to be that is the question by shakespeare.
But whats wrong in copy verses from the bible from the old testament wich shows that god is a all loving god but also a unhappy god or why is it written in the bible can you answere that .
I mean it's all good and said and done but what's wrong in bring up the true evil things that was written and was docamentd by people what happend in those days and like in every religion people have killed and gave them selfs for there god for faith for power and amongs other things.
So why is religion not evil ? Thats what i cant understand is religion that perfect where only the ones who dont believe in god do evil things.
Why are priest molesting children or why are some others out there who have killed in the name of god such as rev jim jones or rev paul hill who shot and killed that doctor for abortion but he said god told him to do this and he be rewarded and his followers praise him after his death.
So yes again evil is evil it dont matter if it is in religion or not religion it's out there because that people choose to follow what they where taught or some went nuts and done it any how .
so pulling out some scriptures out of the old testament is the same as some one who pulls out a scripture of the new testament it aint copy written like i said the bible was written by 40 differnt authers so is that coping from the first one think about it.
So you exspressed your opion i exspressed mine . | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 10/26/2008 12:06:29 PM | Religion is not the true evil; it is mostly the men who have used religion as a tool to spread their greed and control over others. Religion teaches us compassion; the difference between right and wrong and overall man has not evolved but was created by the Almighty. We have been given the option to believe or not believe; we have been given an option to do right or persue our self-interest; some are tested more then others; some have more power and wealth then others but it is only a test as we are not immortals. We all end up in a grave one way or the other. What lies ahead is a matter of personal belief. I choose to believe in the Almighty. Unfortunately religion has been distorted, manipulated and changed by greed and power. If you believe or not evil has always existed in one form or another. This evil distorts truth; causes confusion; serves one's ego and this alters the perception. This evil has caused many changes on this planet. It has caused some people to not see things as they are. Thus there is confusion over good and evil; confusion over what lies ahead and sometimes we close our minds to the good. God has mentioned that if you take few steps towards understanding him (God is neither male nor female; nor begotten - I am talking about the Almighty - not to confuse with god and goddesses etc) he will come running towards you - this is his love for his creation. Look around you we have been deluded. Darwin was quite wrong about evolution; there are gaps in his theory; can anyone duplicate or create the complex DNA that makes us each unique. No one can do that.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 10/26/2008 1:32:50 PM | God, religion, electricity, fire, nuclear fission, dynamite, the internal combustion engine, flight, etc etc.....all human inventions or adaptations.....may be used for ill or good. To say that
Religion is the True EVIL in the world is merely a value judgement....and whether one agrees or disagrees with the statement, just reflects the values of the person evaluating the statement.
Is religion objectively good...or evil...I doubt it....does religion have the capability of being used for good or evil purposes???? Assuredly.....in much the same way that fire, electricity, nuclear fission etc may be used for beneficent or malevolent purposes.
Religion should be given the same respect as fire.....a useful servant at times....but a hazardous master in the wrong hands being misused.
It is unlikely that religion will ever be banished as a human institution....our brains are hard wired to need a sense of the "spiritual", but sensible "enlightened" societies, place limits on the power of religion. Legislated separation of "church" and state is just one such circuit breaking system. Nations run by theocracies are usually retarded in their development. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 11/6/2008 11:00:53 PM | But how can one prove there is a such thing as a god or heaven if there is no physical proof it exsist or hell how can that be proven .
Heaven and Hell was created by man ( good against evil ) such as stephen kings the stand so there for any one can create religion and why not it's been done seval times in are history .
The bible tells so much violence in it such as the old testament it shows that god was the Judge Jury and the Executioner has any one ever read the old testament it shows pure evil .
How can any one say or argue that whats written in the holy book is false that God as people look at him as a loving god but also has another side to it.
Many Christains would disagree and say im full of crap or call me a biggit but if you read the old tesatament you would see in black and white what is written.
But Evil once again such as the devil was cast down from heaven again where is the proof that the devil exsist so what is evil in your eyes lets see,
Killing,rape,child molesting,stealing, to name a few now in a court system some can use as a defense the devil made me do it and plea crazy but did the devil make him do it or was it all in the persons head .
When a person becomes upsest in a religion and go as far in believing it they would do anything to prove it some goes as far as going in a tank full of snakes some believe they can heal others with out medical pratice some even go as far is to kill for there god.
Its what some call a delusion to see something that realy is not there so religion has been created to worship a god or gods in some cultures the killed others for there god for food rain ect some even killed animals so again religion has also made money such as what u see on tv to raise money it has been used by followers during the WTC also whats sad is that one religion thinks there better than the other and i seen it in a few dating sites if your a non believer or have a differnt faith the person dont want to know you so yes Religion has been used in a powerful ways so i have to stand on my ground and say that religion is evil look how religion been used for thousands of years and yet it still continues to cause problems in to days world. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 11/7/2008 5:48:56 AM | Religion has nothing to do with faith.
I do agree, as a life long Christian myself, that religion does more harm than good. It comes from man's need to control things. To make God in his image rather than the other way around. I don't believe that there are any true religious wars. They are just a way to make the motives sound better. Man is to blame for all that is wrong with religion. And atheism is a religion also. I've never had a religion more eager to convert me than atheism (IMO it's because they feel so alone, I can't imagine anything so scary). Intolerance is the true evil. If everyone could accept others, no matter the differences, this would be a much better world. Besides, you can't trust any "religious doctrine" anyway. All have been warped at one time or another by somebody trying to fit them to their own specifications. You just have to listen to how your god (whatever his/her name) speaks to you. And I know for me, my God has never once asked anything of me other than peace and love. And religion is so far from that. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 11/11/2008 8:37:54 PM | Taurus 516.........HMMM, Bill Marr wanna-be?? Well go worship a holy or blessed "kosher" dog tird yes, that's what people do they worship poo (sorry I try not to cuss...hehe), but realy comparing God or in majaority case JESUS CHRIST, the guy who was murdered on a tree and died in aggony.... to a peice of tird.......thanks yah, that's rite nice of yah!!! Umm well anyway um in THE HOLY BIBLE, it says don't worship idols so that would equal the dog poo scenario you depicted so graciously, I don't worship objects or objects shaped to depict some "GREAT HUMAN LEADER" because well humans are prone to be poo-related, as in stinky two faced tirds but, in conclusion thanks for reminding what the Bible has beeeeeeeeeeeeeen saying foreeever.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 11/17/2008 11:48:39 PM | 8567,
you had said that THE HOLY BIBLE, it says don't worship idols .
Well in the cathlic religion they have saints angels,even mary i even heard a rumor that they want to make mary a god as well or something like that.
As in every differnt culture they have people worshiping the sun,moon,idol's, some even still pratice human sacrifice you just dont hear it but it's all out there and it boils down to religion to pratice what they believe in so how can religion not be evil some say its not religion but man or woman who create the evil but your missing the whole idea here.
Religion just dont pop up and create it self it takes people to create a religion and then thease people create whatever god they want and go from there is this not how religion has started long ago .
Look for exsample A.A who created it to men did look how it's turn in to its now a support group for people who want to stay sober ect so if that was created why not religion so to create a religion you have to worship something right and there has to be laws set ect correct so why is religion not evil if men or woman created it.
Do i make any sense i believe i do lol. Think about it how was the easter bunny, tooth fairy,even santa created by man and women past down through the centrys.
So why not religion ?. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 12/9/2008 8:05:29 AM | The true evil in the world lives inside each and everyone of us.
Religion is just a babysitter that we are finally begin to outgrow. (thank god...no pun intended) | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 12/26/2008 1:47:55 PM | religion was created by man so there for if created by man then god was also created by man it all has to with man or woman who created this up so to realy understand what religion is you have to understand if thease people during that time where delusional .
So if they seen something they cant understand they would believe it was a act of a god or gods such as rain,sun,thunder,etc.
And delusional means (which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined.)
So if religion was created to worship a god or gods then there for if where is the proof of a god exsistence if there is no proof of any exsistence wouldn't that be delusional?
So if religion was created by man wouldn't evil also been created by man as well so religion is evil because man created evil as well as created religion so if you look in are history we will see how religion has been used to demo evil such as Rev Jim Jones at Jones town in africa or Rev Paul Hill who murderd the doctor and said that God told him to do it over abortion.
So again religion did'nt create it self it was created by man even you can create your own religion if you can get enough followers and worship . | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/14/2009 4:22:17 PM | Yes, I agree; religion was a babysitter and a contrainer of freewill. The Net was cast first by Constantine in the 3rd century. The control it cased over human was tightly woven by emperiors, priests, kings and presidents.
Now, we cast off the Net of repression and look inner for freedom of consciousness and love. Pure love is but a expression of will and choice is more than what options given us through our contraints.
Soon, all will awaken and know freedom of consciousness. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/14/2009 5:24:13 PM | I tell atheists that their unbelief frees them to read the bible purely for entertainment purposes. Nary a one dares.
But Jesus said "I would rather you be hot or cold. If you're lukewarm I'll spit you out of my mouth."
At least the OP is cold. Too many of these replies are lukewarm. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/16/2009 2:34:04 AM | RE Msg: 801 by clarence clutterbuck:
I've seen most of black wolf's quoted examples before, and agree that they would show an angry, psychopathic control freak of a God if they actually described real events that genuinely took place. Is the narrator who is laying down all these rules, regulations and punishments really transcribing verbatim the words of YHWH or is he just making it up? I totally agree that any such stories written in English, would be incredibly violent and psychopathic. However, the Bible was written in Hebrew. Exactly the same is true of a statement like "Pass the salt, please".
When I was younger, I met so many English people who used to complain that the Israelis were really, really, rude. But they weren't rude to me. They just used the correct usage. At one point, I did ask my family in Hebrew "Can you pass the salt?" and they all laughed, and they explained to me that this was incorrect usage of Hebrew. It just comes across like stepping on eggshells.
In English, you say "Can you pass the salt, please?" or "Can you pass the salt?"
In Hebrew, you say "NOW, PASS ME THE SALT!!!!"
That's how speak in Hebrew. You say what you want, clearly, firmly, without aggression, and then, if the other person wants to, he/she passes you the salt, because no matter what, it's his choice whether to do what you want.
Not so in English. In English, if you tell someone to do something, then there is the overtones, that if they don't, that you will make them suffer against their will, possibly violence, or even death.
English is the language of the violent psychopath. Hebrew is the language of the moderate and mild liberal.
So, when you are reading a book that is written in Hebrew, but translated into English, there is every chance that it will come across as violent and psychopathic. It was written in a liberal language, and translated into the language of a violent psychopath, without anyone even considering that the completely different nuances of the language would completely distort what was said.
Even now, when I read it directly from the Hebrew, without referring to a translation to tell me what it means, practically every passage reads perfectly reasonably, and to be honest, reads quite liberally. | |
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