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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 12:08:47 AM |
If Atheists become a majority, then the majority of people who do evil will be Atheists, yes on the face of it it's a duh statement but my point is Atheists may not look to God or the Bible or the Koran or whatever for justification, but evil will still continue unabated. But my guess, and yes it's a guess, they'll probably end up turning on those who still believe and be ungracious and unkind in their treatment.
No one has ever started a war or killed people by being *too rational*
.. & evil is a religious term, there are good & bad, but only delusional religions have 'evil" | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 1:13:31 AM |
No one has ever started a war or killed people by being *too rational*
Merely not believing in God does not make one rational. If no one believed in God there will still be people harming other people, that is what I call evil.
.. & evil is a religious term, there are good & bad, but only delusional religions have 'evil"
Although it's a term that some religions use, linguistically, evil is not a religious term. And I would say that after having three family members murdered and several female members sexually molested as children, evil is a more appropriate term than the word "bad". | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:00:26 AM |
Although it's a term that some religions use, linguistically, evil is not a religious term. And I would say that after having three family members murdered and several female members sexually molested as children, evil is a more appropriate term than the word "bad".
There are a host of clinical terms used to describe the type of person who does stuff like that, "evil" isn't one of them. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 8:47:50 PM |
There are a host of clinical terms used to describe the type of person who does stuff like that, "evil" isn't one of them.
It's a word. Words having meanings. Dictionaries list those meanings.
Websters Dictionary.
Pronunciation:
\ˈē-vəl, British often & US also ˈē-(ˌ)vil\
Function:
adjective
1 a: morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct 2 aarchaic : inferior b: causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive c: disagreeable 3 a: causing harm : pernicious b: marked by misfortune : unlucky
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If you wish to view it with a different meaning or say that it's a religious term, well you can say what you want. But evil isn't strictly a religious word; simple fact.
Religion isn't the true evil in the world. People are. People are also good. And people are indifferent. And people are a lot of things. People might use religion to do evil. People can use a lot of things to do evil. If nobody believed in God or religion, all the things which everybody else but you calls evil, will still be done. People will still be greedy and vengeful and possessive and abusive and cruel. Wars will still go on and on. And of course there will still be good people as well. Good I hear comes from the word God and so may be considered a religious word, but in it's use it isn't limited to religious discussion. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:49:39 PM |
Good I hear comes from the word God and so may be considered a religious word, but in it's use it isn't limited to religious discussion.
It just happens to be the first 3 letters of my last name. & the *god* part in that case comes from Goat...so maybe you're all worshipping the devil... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:33:59 AM |
It just happens to be the first 3 letters of my last name. & the *god* part in that case comes from Goat...so maybe you're all worshipping the devil...
Not me, I don't worship anything. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:13:37 AM | I have not read the thread, but, as I imagine others will have said, I believe the whole concept of God is quite different than your view, OP of "sky fairy"....."invisible god creature".
I agree formal religion seems to preach unity on one hand, but takes it away with the other in their practice of passing down obvious rules of exclusivity on who can practice that religion and what they must do in the name of God .....often to the point of killing, historically.
I think all our paths and what is out there, and in here that we are exposed to is for perhaps the purpose of allowing us to find what resonates as truth in us....in each of us. For every theory that says God is out there or up there, you will find as many that say 'he' is in here, in each of us.....and then you will have those theories that say it is both - one and the same....and then those that say you find God in the nature and in the animal or mineral or vegatable kingdom...and then you will have those people who do not agree with any concept offered with a premise that we have a divine nature in us, or out there, either....so there is the full spectrum of beliefs from all separateness to the one that preaches unity - one -ness with each other and everything (including God if one believes it).
What gets us all in trouble, I think, is when we feel our beliefs are the only 'right' ones, meaning all others are 'wrong'. Spiritual and religious views tend to be very close to one's heart and soul, and so defending and attacking seems to appear more....as your original post, OP, also does, as well as it shows you see yourself as separate.
To me we are all aspects of each other.....and each have a right to our views, but telling another they are wrong means we are opening ourselves up to be told we are wrong.
Rather than using the concepts of right and wrong, or good and evil, why don't we think more along the lines of what works and what does no work. Clearly religion does not work for you, OP, but for some it brings them a sense of peace and love and respect for themselves and each other. For others, it doesn't. It is our choice - it is always our choice once we move beyond childhood to believe what we wish.....for that is human nature after all (imo). Finding what resonates as truth in each of us, for each of us, by each of us, I think is one of those purposes of each of our lives.
So, thank you for your thread - it helps always to have an avenue that helps us clarify our views....and sometimes slight adjustments can happen also - if another writes something that resonates as truth, or not. For I, personally, think we are all students and teachers of each other. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:05:43 AM | | I dont think there is a true evil religion in the world. They all have different beliefs. what I find right with my religion, another may find evil. What I find evil with another religion, another may find it to be the right way. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:27:14 AM | What gets us all in trouble, I think, is when we feel our beliefs are the only 'right' ones, meaning all others are 'wrong'.
Thanks,my Dear Girl for stating this, and echoing this again, for it bears repeating/ as Kimbo said many times....mostly Christians...and perhaps Jehova Witness are just some of those in the recruitment biz. I will always stand by my claim that Agnostics or Atheists 'know' more facts about the bible than the church Lemmings and thumpers....sorry, it just came out that way....
Bible:
God’s sovereignty is supposed to be a comfort to us, not an issue to be concerned about or debate over. Second, we are to live our lives making wise decisions in accordance with God’s Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17; James 1:5).
For someone to even title a post ..religion is the True Evil in the world, somehow shows the 'effect' of religions on humans....for the concept of Evil...is religious / not spiritual in Nature.
Native Cultures and older more profoundBelief Systems....believed, and still do believe.. in good periods, bad periods, fertile times, barren times...there was no real
mention of best deeds...or evildoing. Either the gods or Spirits were favorable....or not..and mortals rolled in conjunction with what simply 'was'
It was natural, real, oraganic and more in harmony with how the planet spins. Like most things before any Organization takes over rationale and crushes spiritual beliefs that were in place , and handed down as gifts for hundreds of generations.
talk later
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:22:45 AM | Ok i did some rsearch on this topic to finly put a end to the question is religion the true evil well according to this i would vote yes but thats me this is what u dont see from the teachings in the new testament.
God Commands Burning Humans
[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)
Burn Nonbelievers
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Child Sacrifice
And this became a hidden trap for mankind, because men, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority, bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared. Afterward it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customs… (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV) The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God worshipers.
Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.
Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-****. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
So the next time some Christian tells you about the "love of God", show them this and ask them "Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?"
I can go on and on pulling scriptures out and showing proof that God is no so loving and that religion is evil but dont take my word for it thats for you to decide | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:50:10 AM | your final post and words, op, having just read them are troubling me. you try and give evidence of your beliefs by citing things from the bible to back up those beliefs and chosing to interpret them in the way you are, coming from your basic belief God is evil...what you're actually saying - forget putting it under the umbrella group of 'religion'.
and then you write this as your final sentence -
I can go on and on pulling scriptures out and showing proof that God is no so loving and that religion is evil but dont take my word for it thats for you to decide.
you remind me of a scientist who decides the results he wants to achieve and then goes and does the tests in a way to qualify his beliefs.
to me evil exists when I see all this energy choosing to try to prove it does....
the fact that you believe it does and have given it so much energy looking for it, looking for proof of it, is very disheartening.
you could be putting just as much energy into looking for the beauty and love and incredible spiritual lessons that can be found too.....and 'prove' them in an equally subjective fashion....or just live them would be a better use of energy in my opinion......
but you chose instead to look for the darkness - and then to try and prove it. this saddens me.
EDIT to add: realize I forgot to explain why I think it's bad to be looking for proof of evil rather than blessing - because I have the understanding and belief that whatever we put our attention and energy into grows more powerful.
I also am not denying evil exists for I think we have all possibilites within us from giving love to witholding it - from honoring our unity and connection to dishonoring and believing there is none.....but I don't agree with your saying religion or God is the true evil - I think our own actions of complete disrespect for each other is.....like torture.
yes, I agree beliefs in the name of religion and God have created many evil actions - but it's the actions themselves that are the true evil in the world and we were given free will - we can not pass the buck (imo) and ignore facts in history - in our actions that have been felt as evil.....stemming from our beliefs. It is our beliefs - our own that we have and are responsible for that is the true evil in the world is what I've been trying to say. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 6:27:25 AM | I've seen most of black wolf's quoted examples before, and agree that they would show an angry, psychopathic control freak of a God if they actually described real events that genuinely took place. Is the narrator who is laying down all these rules, regulations and punishments really transcribing verbatim the words of YHWH or is he just making it up?
My admittedly limited 50 year experience of life, educates me to believe that gods do not contact people to demand obedience or to threaten violent retribution. Any modern person who claimed such contact would be subjected to demands for proof, and stories of "voices in the head" would not convince many.
I wonder how God is alleged to have communicated in the above extracts, and how was this verified. I'm guessing the ancient Israelites didn't have our modern standards of evidence. In the almost certain absence of an impressively divine sounding voice, booming down from the sky, the deed of laying down these scriptures was probably done by some supposedly "inspired" priestly type, jotting down his violent fantasies, much like one of those blood thirsty American bozo's who fulminate profusely on the Death Penalty and gun control threads.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 6:43:59 AM | ^^mmmm....part of me thought to put this in my last post, but it was getting long already..... it is possible the 'word of God' believed to be written in the bible might not be utter truth and provable as such, but my understanding is they are metaphorical teachings on different levels for different levels of interpretation. i think it's very interesting they can be interpreted in completely opposite directions also - another one of those divine paradox's perhaps to show 'everything contains the seed of its apparent opposite' (the definition of yin/yang as I was taught it)....or perhaps these apparent contradictions are there to show us and teach us not to get too attached to any one point of view. 
I have a correction - I called black wolf the op and he is not. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 7:07:56 AM | But thease where written in text in the old testament also the teaching's of the bible written by man from god .
But regardless of the scriptures you can not say thease are not the teaching's from god or why is it put in to a book called the bible for all to see think about it for a moment and ask your self if thease scriptures came from the bible is it not evil to teach what is written and also where looking at the time where there was killings Sacrifice's ect almost as a Medieval times but comanments by god.
This is what's written and taught for 2,000 years or more if not less so to read what the scriptures tell it shows the christain god more of a unplesent god then a loving god but take it as you want it but you cant say it is not written in the bible . | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 7:20:32 AM | May I remind you the bible is not just a book for Christians - and you are making rather huge assumptions you may not realize.....remember Christianity is not the only religion in the world and there are many sacred religious books that teach - the bible is not the only one - and there are many many many interpretations of each and every line in it, never mind you are reading english translations which of course is not its original language. And just to be very clear - I do not pray to 'a Christian God', but to 'God' - totally non-denominational....I was not brought up Christian, after all. If the interpretations of the bible and God you were raised with have resulted in your believing God is not loving, and only evil then perhaps you might look at the origins of where your beliefs came from.....for they are very strong and I don't think you were born with them. :) (and i do realize you're trying to show they came from the bible - but are you sure you haven't had any other influences also that might have added weight to your beliefs?)
Please know, I believe everyone has a right to their beliefs - but no one has the right to tell anyone else their beliefs are wrong. So, I'm not trying to convince you you are wrong, simply to ask you not to try and convince me to agree with you because I won't, just as you are choosing not to agree with me. It's just different opinions and each have rights to make that choice for themselves.....free will after all.....and living in a time we are not being forced into any religious beliefs against our will....well, other than the occasional writer on the religious forums that gets a bit carried away. :)
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:55:13 AM | | Well, people did commit many inhuman things because of religion; however, depends on what religion you are talking about, but those who said was done in the name of the Christianity, did not know or were not true Christians even if them might and considered they were... | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:59:22 AM | This thread is will go on forever, much like trying to find absolute pie. 
Here is my pennies worth anyway:
Satan is the true evil of this world, such is the power of his falling that he has blinded the minds of many and will contiune to do so. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:04:38 PM | | each to his own opinion - for me - blaming God or Satan for our inhumanity is not taking responsibility for our own actions, thoughts, feelings, anger, revenge, injustice, judgement, closed mind and closed heartedness....cruelty. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:12:46 PM | Ok i did some rsearch on this topic to finly put a end to the question is religion the true evil well according to this i would vote yes but thats me this is what u dont see from the teachings in the new testament. Finally put an end to the question? that was just too funny. Such hubris! And cutting and pasting of a web site is hardly "research". But it suits your personal agenda and bias, so I guess that's all that really matters, eh? Anyway, it's very ancient (Jewish) history and not something I can relate to in terms of my "religion". But I'm sure that won't stop you grinding on about it anyway.
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 1:46:59 PM | when i pulled up research it was not directed to any one its facts and proof what it says in the holy bible from the old testament wich clearly shows that a god was not a loving god but a god that was shown to be vry unplesent god and what are people afraied of to understand the truth of what its written and the topic is Religion is the True EVIL in the world well i think by adding a few verses from the old testament should be clare enough to proof that theres more to the story then you may think.
iam a athiest but thats me i dont force or judge others for there believes thats not me at all infact if your happy with it so be it.
By the way romanticoptimist,
I have to tell ya i spent most of my years studying the bible and i hate to brake it to ya but did u not just copy and pasted my words just today and further more dont every one on this site has copied and pasted one time another even collage kids do research from books and write a what they learn.
The bibe it self was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, wich was the old testament consists of thirty-nine books. The books themselves were originally written in Hebrew, and later on in the Aramaic language of Palestine; the Greek language version written after the conquest of Alexander the Great is known as the Septuagint. Melito, a bishop of Sardis in Lydia.
Wich All this leads to the conclusion that the earliest writings in the Bible were set down around 1400 BC.
The writings of the thirty or so other contributors to the Old Testament span a thousand years! They recount the times and messages from Moses' successor, Joshua, to the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi, who wrote his little tract around 450 bc Then there is a 500-year period when no writings were contributed to the Bible
The New Testament was written during a much shorter period, i.e. during the last half of the first century AD.
13th to the 15th centry i believe but again The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors. The Bible is a compilation of 66 separate books, divided into two primary divisions: the Old Testament (containing 39 books) and the New Testament (containing 27 books). It is believed that all of the books of the Bible were written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
And the The first five books of the Old Testament (known as the Pentateuch or Torah) was written by Moses during the forty years that the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness (1450 - 1410 B.C.). The twelve historical books of the Old Testament continue to record the history of the people of Israel under the leadership of Joshua, through the period of the Judges and the reign of the kings of Israel. The books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther record the history of Israel following its period of captivity under Babylonian rule. The historical books span the history of Israel from 1050 - 465 B.C.
so yes i know a lot of it im not judging any one for what u believe in just showing what it is told and written in the bible so in any case in other cultures people have worshiped differnt god's ,
For exsample Human sacrifice was an aspect of historical Aztec culture/religion, although the extent of the practice is debated by scholars. The Spaniards who first met the Aztecs explicitly stated in their writings that human sacrifice was widely practiced in Mesoamerica as amongs other religions have done to please there god's so again what iam saying is not tended to any one but a way of showing that religion has been used for evil not that im saying any one here is bad but history does show a lot if you take the time to understand what realy happend in those days and with Modern Technology it has pretty much proofen a lot in todays world.
But is some cultures even today they follow the old ways still you just dont hear about it any more .
I do apolize if any one felt afended but im clearly showing what has been docamented and written in the book. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/30/2008 1:47:21 PM | Well, people did commit many inhuman things because of religion; however, depends on what religion you are talking about, but those who said was done in the name of the Christianity, did not know or were not true Christians even if them might and considered they were... Very true. But let us not be mislead into thinking that even true Christians are incapable of committing acts of evil. Not true, not even close. As Christians, we can do things that go against our religion and our God. We can be ignorant of His commandments. But you may say, "But the Holy Spirit will quicken them to evil"! Yes, but if a Christian continually ignores the Holy Spirit for long periods of time, we do not hear/feel Its voice clearly any longer and we may think what we are doing is right, when what we are doing is wrong.
And let us not forget that our enemy, the father of all lies, deceives us all, at times, especially those capable of great evil, (those who hold power) and can trick us into performing evil when in fact, we think we are doing what is right.. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/31/2008 7:35:00 AM | | "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world."James1:27 | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:45:06 AM | I don't believe in religion, as I believe it separates rather than unifies mankind.
However, I follow the teachings of Jesus and I do believe in the bible, and other spiritual teachings as well. i believe they all point to a greater truth.
As for evil, I believe the seeds grow from the thoughts in our own minds and hearts. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 8/31/2008 9:16:47 AM |
did u not just copy and pasted my words just today Yes, I did. It's called "quoting" and the fact is indicated by the yellow box. It also serves to indicate what part of a lengthy message I'm actually replying to. You have a constant habit of presenting other people's work as your own "research" 'and "ideas" as your own. The thing is it's easy to spot. The unattributed work rarely mangles the English language like you do. | |
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| Religion is the True EVIL in the world
Posted: 9/2/2008 9:35:54 PM | To be or not to be that is the question by shakespeare.
But whats wrong in copy verses from the bible from the old testament wich shows that god is a all loving god but also a unhappy god or why is it written in the bible can you answere that .
I mean it's all good and said and done but what's wrong in bring up the true evil things that was written and was docamentd by people what happend in those days and like in every religion people have killed and gave them selfs for there god for faith for power and amongs other things.
So why is religion not evil ? Thats what i cant understand is religion that perfect where only the ones who dont believe in god do evil things.
Why are priest molesting children or why are some others out there who have killed in the name of god such as rev jim jones or rev paul hill who shot and killed that doctor for abortion but he said god told him to do this and he be rewarded and his followers praise him after his death.
So yes again evil is evil it dont matter if it is in religion or not religion it's out there because that people choose to follow what they where taught or some went nuts and done it any how .
so pulling out some scriptures out of the old testament is the same as some one who pulls out a scripture of the new testament it aint copy written like i said the bible was written by 40 differnt authers so is that coping from the first one think about it.
So you exspressed your opion i exspressed mine . | |
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