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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 2:07:47 PM | It is a beautiful thing to need a man!
I need him to run get some FRESH batteries . . . I need him to reach for the FRESH batteries . . . I need him to hold B.O.B when I am tired . . .
I am very needy . . .
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 2:36:49 PM | *!%#@$*
Ahh, yami...you did it again! I'm cross eyed and weary, and needing a shot or 6...but I'll not give up! I just need a lil recovery time!
I'll say it again, if you allow yourself to need from someone,
Hmm...don't know what to make of that one! From someone?
...you are dependent upon that person for whatever that need may be. You have handed that person power. You are now subject to that person's whims.
Yeah, if you're gonna gift wrap your mind and soul and hand it over, all "p ussy" like, sure thing. But I don't know how to "go there" to d icker with you, cause that ain't what most of us are talking about. Lemme rest some, before I become redundant. :)
Congrats. You're deserving.
Thanks. You bring out every freakin maternal instinct in me and make me wanna do some serious drinking, but thanks. :) | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 3:09:42 PM | 'er, ~Myth~?...
What happened when the red, red robin came BOB, BOB, BOBbin' along?
Oh, and, of course, BOB may add to a relationship...but he's toyin' with ya.
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 3:31:38 PM |
Human families don't need men to provide anymore. Most of us don't live in agrarian societies.
I run a farm by myself, so even there, I don't NEED a man...
I would, however, love to have a partner. I hope there are men who can accept being a partner instead of provider or protector. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 3:57:36 PM |
I read recently, there was a time when there were clear distinctions between what men and women did and in this way by playing to their respective strengths, labour was divided up and this caused both to specialise at what they could do best. It concluded, the biggest advantage man had over the Neanderthal, was in the skills that woman did, by gathering, making clothes, cooking and so on.
That wasn't because of 'skills' or strengths, it was because of childbearing. Since women are the ones who bear and feed children, they were not able to go chasing off after animals. They stayed by camp and did the gathering, cooking, childrearing, etc.
The advent of reliable birth control has freed women to be the 'hunter' if she chooses. I think it's been pretty well established that men can cook as well as women, women can hunt animals (or earn a paycheck to provide for her family), and hopefully either sex can manage to clean a toilet. Most of us without partners do all the things that both men and women do in a traditional marriage...we ALL have to cook, clean, earn a living, maintain our vehicles, mow the lawn, fix the leaky faucet...there are no 'male or female' jobs when you are the only one there to do it! I really hope that is setting the stage for more equal partnerships, where there are fewer 'male roles' and 'female roles'. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 4:06:42 PM |
You bring out every freakin maternal instinct in me and make me wanna do some serious drinking, but thanks. :)
So, it's not only me?...lol...
Must be some underlying hopefulness in there?
As to power...in my view the point of a good relationship, as funny girl says...is that someone who truly loves you would never use your need in a consciously or constant way of hurting you. Trust that the power isn't abused is the goal, IMO.
And, as .marc says, some people just don't seem to see the difference between "needy" and healthy needs....nor to make the distinction between providing of basic material needs and emotional needs....which are part of love and being human. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 7:55:21 PM |
And based on my pontificating on the topic, I think its because if we pick someone who is needy, it allows us to ignore our own faults and weaknesses, help 'the other,' and still pat ourselves on the back.
Holy Mackerel, you just nailed my ex-husband to the wall!
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/26/2008 9:21:58 PM | Aw, don’t worry now, I’m not gonna go all maternal on ya… I’m just here for the intellectual challenge of it all. LMAO. Still arguing for your limitations I see. You’ve got it very nicely constructed BTW, doesn’t even look like a cage the way you’ve got it set up so nice. *grins impishly *
The truth about real freedom and independence is a frightening idea to most and the path to it is rife with peril. But if you achieve it, the rewards are remarkable.
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." Rudyard Kipling
Real freedom is an interesting concept. There’s a fair body of work that it is an illusion, that REAL freedom doesn’t exist (unless it is just another word for nothing left to lose). I’m not so sure it matters if it is an illusion – we relate to it in a way that it exists, therefore because we perceive it that way, it IS.
So, I gather you have determined the only way to preserve your freedom is to eliminate other’s power so you can’t be coerced. In other words… “not that” because I am powerless. (or some such thing).
‘Course, you’re not able to ever experience Real Freedom, or not as far as this stranger on the internet can see. You are at the effect of “NOT THAT”. Someone who yearns for something is equally affected by its lack as is the person who rejects it is affected by always pushing it away. Both require energy, both are unhealthy attachments… polar opposites of the same coin I’m afraid.
Independence. No man is an Island, even the independent man. Hmm.. a negative definition... “independence is the state of not being controlled by another”. I am an advocate for autonomy and find dependence an unhealthy state (unless one is a child). I, too, find resonance in Kipling’s words, although I think I use it more as a reminder to “stand toe-to-toe with really what’s so” than I do as a manifesto for the gods of independence.
IMO, Interdependence is a much healthier way-of-being, where you very much own yourself and are able to be with and relate with other people well. It is, again my considered opinion, how we function best and it is through the lessons one must learn to be interdependent (some of which are humbling) that one becomes self-actualized. Bit of a paradox. I’m not explaining this as clearly as I’d like..I might come back to this later… my thinker has been on overload the last few days, and there’s a thought rattling around in there that refuses to form.
Interdependence is and ought to be as much the ideal of man as self-sufficiency. Man is a social being. Without interrelation with society he cannot realize his oneness with the universe or suppress his egotism. His social interdependence enables him to test his faith and to prove himself on the touchstone of reality. ~ Gandhi
Independent thinking alone is not suited to interdependent reality. Independent people who do not have the maturity to think and act interdependently may be good individual producers, but they won't be good leaders or team players. They're not coming from the paradigm of interdependence necessary to succeed in marriage, family, or organizational reality. ~ Stephen Covey ^^ I find Covey a bit too “preachy” and “smug” (lmao@me) but I very much like what he says about interdependence.
BTW, there is a reason self-actualization comes at the top of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs… ya need to get a grip on belonging before you can be truly self-actualized.
And I contend that need is a weakness. They need to be kept at a minimum. The basic needs are shelter, food and water. If you keep your needs to that very basic level and provide them for yourself, life will be happier. Everyone desires or wants other things, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just keep it on the level of a want and not a need because the rewards are no greater when fulfilled, but you are risking more with a need than a want. Basic needs, huh? Yep, we really don’t need much once we’ve got a full belly and a roof of some sort over our heads. Quite agree with you that people would be much happier in their lives if they could let go of the suffering we bring on ourselves.
So, your need to be independent is a weakness? | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 7:59:10 AM |
‘Course, you’re not able to ever experience Real Freedom, or not as far as this stranger on the internet can see.
I equate real freedom with perfection. Neither is truly attainable. But the pursuit of either one is a noble venture and not one for the weak in mind nor the feint of heart. I never expect to achieve real freedom. That wouldn't be realistic. But I will pursue with vigor. Some may say it's a Quixotal quest. And perhaps they're correct. But who doesn't have a windmill or two in their lives? Who's more delusional: the person pursuing real freedom, or the one playing powerball?
IMO, Interdependence is a much healthier way-of-being, where you very much own yourself and are able to be with and relate with other people well. It is, again my considered opinion, how we function best and it is through the lessons one must learn to be interdependent (some of which are humbling) that one becomes self-actualized. Bit of a paradox. I’m not explaining this as clearly as I’d like..I might come back to this later… my thinker has been on overload the last few days, and there’s a thought rattling around in there that refuses to form.
IMO, interdependence is status quo. One can either simply acquiesce or avoid it at all costs until it becomes necessary. I find it much more satisfying to find my own solutions even if I know someone is standing next to me with the key. Buy a fish, eat for a day. Teach yourself to fish, feed yourself forever. In other words, while I view interdependence as sometimes necessary, I see it as surrender.
FYI, I don't employ my personal beliefs on this topic to my business practices. Business is much different.
Covey's quote I find to be quite inaccurate and short-sighted. Research would back me up. I could explain why or let you take a stab at it. Here's a hint: Look to your friends Jung, Meyers and Briggs.
So, your need to be independent is a weakness?
In the eyes of some, I'm sure. From a different perspective it's made e a much stronger person. Instead of taking, I do. Instead of asking for help, I learn. Instead of surrendering to "I can't," I succeed.I know I will never be able to eliminate interdependence from my life, as vile as I believe it to be. But I know I can minimize it and become a better person in the process.
Also, I wouldn't call it a need for independence, I would call it a desire. If I needed independence I would have offed myself long ago for my many failures and disappointments. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:05:16 AM | "Needed" how? I haven't met a man that "needed" me; more so that "wanted" me in a relationship with him.
I'm not sure this would be a good thing to desire in a person/for a relationship. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:15:44 AM | I believe some are confusing "needy" with "need". In my opinion, there is a difference.
Needy: Demanding or needing attention, affection, or reassurance to an excessive degree.
Need: a condition requiring relief; anything that is necessary, but lacking.
Thoughts? | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:25:02 AM | I think that hits the nail on the head. The thing is-- when it comes to needing people, you don't recognize that it was lacking until you've been together for quite a while. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:47:37 AM | That makes sense, Marc. "You don't recognize that it was lacking until you have been together." - That is probably why MOST say they don't "NEED" anyone. They don't know they do! Duh................lol
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:52:34 AM | The thing is-- when it comes to needing people, you don't recognize that it was lacking until you've been together for quite a while. Exactly. Or another way to put it is it wasn't lacking because it wasn't there - once it becomes a part of your life after many years, it would be lacking if it were to no longer exist.
People don't need an SO until they've had one so long that they develop that emotional dependency...but it's a healthy one, ideally. Trying to say while you're single "I want someone that needs me" is sort of a "duh" statement. Once you meet someone and it develops into a healthy LTR, it just comes with the territory.
It's like saying "I won't open a money market or savings account unless I know it's beneficial to me in the end." Kinda dumb when:
1. That's part of the reason it exists, and 2. How beneficial it is to you solely depends on what you do with it. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:53:31 AM | | What is wrong with a man being needed? Need is a very strong human emotion everyone wants to be needed, and desired I don't have a problem with a man being needed however needy is another thing............. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 9:11:17 AM | It's good to know there are men out there that want to be wanted and not needed.I recently got out of a relationship in which I felt I wasn't needy enough.His excuse was he loved me but wasn't in love with me,how lame is that?At 46 what is the difference loving,or being in love??I agree with what you said he probably has low or no self esteem.Probably lacks self love,if you don't love yourself first how can you love someone else?Maybe it's a control issue or power thing also.Any single men out there that want to be in a relationship and don't need a woman????  | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 9:25:40 AM | Ok in my profile I wrote I want to be wanted not needed. And the reason I did was my ex she didn't work (she had mental issues and couldn't). So anyway her life was around the house and she felt trapped, I was always trying to get her to go do something so she got out of the house more. She resented that I got to go to work everyday, now I like my job most days but never really thought it as something I got to do. And when we did split up she said she hadn't been in love with me for along time, but stayed with me because I provided for her. I never want a woman to be with me only because I provide for her. Now a need like in love is cool, whats that corney line in that movie "You complete me" that kind of need is cool. I would love a woman to think she couldn't live without me, as long as we both knew it wasn't true!!!! | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 9:41:39 AM | The guys I know would rather feel like they were wanted and appreciated, just because they were able to be themselves and not have to try to prove anything to anyone. There are some pretty basic needs on my list, but having a man around all the time is not one of them. But that's just me.
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 9:49:31 AM | Speaking from experience, I have never met a man that actually wanted to be needed..........but are quite needy themselves. That could explain why statistics reveal that men quickly become involved in new relationships or re-marry shortly after divorcing. My ex absolutely had no skills when it came to running a household, cooking or cleaning and never wanted to learn. Dining out and hiring maid service became too expensive, but he did manage to find someone stupid enough to do it all for him within less than a year of separation.
My post is not intended to offend those men who are self-sufficent at running a household, cooking, cleaning and raising children without the benefit of help. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:00:53 PM | Because then a man knows her stance instead of wondering or guessing. She expresses herself instead better. Sometimes people need to hear something is going well instead of just assuming that it is going well.
Like you need to say... the wagon is working... the wagon is working... cause if you don't he might try to fix the wagon. | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/27/2008 8:35:53 PM | The following quote and many similarities can be found all over these forums.....
We like to be listened to just as you do, we like to feel needed just as you do and many of the so called strong willed independent women make it abundantly clear that they do not need a man
I have yet to read anything about what a man in a relationship wants to be needed for. When a man says they want to be needed, does that mean they just want to needed, but not available when actually needed for anything when the occasion affords itself? | |
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| Why do most guys want a woman who needs them? Posted: 2/28/2008 7:39:26 AM | Human’s need more than food and shelter. Every study of human need confirms this and places affection and understanding immediately after subsistence and security. Our universal HUMAN need is acceptance and understanding. I believe when someone says they “need someone who needs them” they are most often referring to this.
Need is healthy, but there are unhealthy extremes. It is just as unhealthy to repress or deny needs as it is to go to the opposite extreme and be excessively needy. • If you are too rigid, too INDEPENDENT, there is insufficient flexibility… you are too individuated, too stuck in the “I” in order to allow a “we”. Often, one is unwilling to give up control, trust the other and/or is so completely focused on “my needs” that they have insufficient space to acknowledge “your needs”. • If you are too DEPENDENT, there is so much flexibility you lose yourself and become enmeshed or entangled in the other person. There is not enough autonomy, not enough space within the togetherness. One is so focused on fulfilling “your needs” that they completely lose sight of “my needs.”
We DO need other people; we simply cannot thrive without love and affection. The unhealthy extreme of neediness could be defined as “you are emotionally dependent if you believe that your personal security or self-worth requires the ongoing presence or nurturing of another person.”
As a culture, we have become so focused on independence and individuality that we are often guilty of denying our basic human needs. I think this is *sometimes* exaggerated with women; although certainly not exclusive to either gender. Sweeping social changes meant that women became intensely focused on their independence. Sometimes, and certainly not with all women, in asserting their individualism, they became hyper-vigilant over independence and became too rigid and inflexible to maintain a successful relationship. (Insert pendulum swinging reference here). Men were also caught in this sea-change as well. Confusion reigns.
I rather suspect that men who say they “need a woman who needs them” is a way of saying either 1. I want a woman who sees real value in a mutual relationship or 2. I want to avoid a rigid, inflexible, overly-independent woman.
So, I think we tend to regard Need with intense suspicion; sometimes to our detriment in forming healthy relationships and in being healthy people. As this thread has certainly proved, everyone has different interpretations and the best plan is to ask people what they think a healthy relationship is. | |
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