| MLS expansion - Philadelphia 16th team
Posted: 4/3/2008 11:48:56 AM | at pickmynose,
great to know you chose the second scenerio, however, you said "but for future games i'd be concerned that my teams's offence was too bad......." well maybe you did not understand me or i did not explain well. if your favourite team wins after having scored only a field goal, it was because the rival's defence was great and strong, your attack was great as well, facing a great defence of course. so why would you be concerned about your great attack? now i doubt you were honest choosing the answer, for your comment makes me think that you prefer seeing the screen with high numbers to winning beautifully with only a field goal.
you also asked "is low scoring really popular everywhere except North America", here is where you fail again Mark, the so called 'low scoring' does NOT exist outside North America, so the rest of the world can not enjoy it as you said. it is our team facing the rival, and if you score more than your rival you win. simple! as i said before we do not care about the screen showing high numbers (ridiculous). by the way i DO agree with you that a game with no chances is boring, but you will not see many matches with no chances, in fact i have never seen a game with no chances.
at wizard,
yes my knowledge of NFL is poor (i always have admitted it), but i do know the points system (scoring), and that is exactly what i am talking about! i shall never talk about the rest, say, rules, referees, etc because i have no idea. however, i think honestly that i have the right to comment upon the scoring and my point shall always be the same, you know, that it is quite unfair!
by the way, i do NOT hate North Americans, should i? no way! i admit that i have made some 'disgusting' comments upon baseball or american football. but it seems that no-one has noticed that there are plenty of North Americans who have slagged proper football off and still slag it off!
now it is time to have a beer | |
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| MLS expansion - Philadelphia 16th team
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:04:03 AM | Pedro, Pedro, Pedro.... By YOUR logic, even in basketball, a 3 pointer, as well as a layup, and a free throw should all be worth 1 point. That's just stupid. Is YOUR brain able to understand that?
The sports are completely different. You have already admitted to knowing nothing else about American football aside from the scoring structure (which I still have my doubts about your knowledge), but you still continue to try to make an argument towards this idiotic "one point for everything" crap. You should leave the decisions, as well as discussion, to the people that know something about the sport. It's nothing like soccer at all, and therefore does NOT need the same point structure. | |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 8:43:34 AM | Regarding point value and low scoring. I'm also a fan of hockey and baseball. In these sports 1 goal = 1 point and I'm sure many would find a 1-o final in hockey would be boring. Most hockey finals are 4-2, 3-1, some are as high as 8-6(rarely) and some as low as 1-0. Even die hard hockey fans would say a final of 1-0 is boring unless the shots on net were 35-25. This would show there were many scoring chances but the goaltending was great. I don't think Americans want to see high numbers as the final score, they want to see scoring chances and goals. To Americans, this is what makes the game exciting, maybe not to Europeans.
Pedro as I said before I'm trying to become a soccer fan, I even subscribe to the sports programing so I can watch soccer games. I'm still learning the game, but am finding it difficult when there isn't enough scoring chances. It seems like 90 minutes of running passing the ball back and forth and nothing in terms of scoring happens.
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| MLS expansion - Philadelphia 16th team
Posted: 4/4/2008 11:22:06 AM | you can not compare baseball or hockey to football. in hockey you may see more goals because of some reasons, say, the field is smaller so players do not really tire, hockey players do not play for 90 minutes, players have skates (they do not really use their legs as in football....) hockey players must hit a puck, a puck at high speed (so the chances to score are really increased), etcccc
i think you are confusing yourself, we Europeans of course want our teams to score, but we do not care about the numbers, so a game of one-nil or even a draw with no goals may be more interesting than a game with many goals. it is the play, attitude and chances which make a game brilliant ( for years i have watched lots of games of the Champions League or European Cup with European teams facing one another, say, Germans, Italians, English, Spanish, etc and i assure you honestly that many games finishing 0-0, 1-0 or 1-1 were fantastic almost suffering a heart attack, with people leaving the pub and saying 'what a game!' )
at jonathan,
yes my comment is stupid, but at least i give one score or goal its real value, which is one of course! | |
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| MLS expansion - Philadelphia 16th team
Posted: 4/4/2008 11:41:21 AM |
yes my comment is stupid, but at least i give one score or goal its real value, which is one of course!
Yes, it is...in YOUR sport. The NFL is NOT soccer. You don't seem to understand that. You said that you can't compare baseball or hockey to soccer, but by the same point, you can't compare soccer to american football. Just doesn't make sense to do it. The value of the scores in football are NOT one, regardless of what you say. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 2:57:00 AM | Time outs for TV commercial breaks?
Thats some crazy shite in NFL.
As some of the other posters have stated, sometimes a draw or a low scoring game can be more exciting than a high scoring game in football (soccer).
End to end, slick passes, when you get into the strategy and coaches moves.
NFL is too stop/start. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 3:05:43 PM | As a Brit living in Los Angeles, I must tip my hat to MLS for staying the course. I honestly believed the league wouldn't survive after 5 years, but they have proved me wrong.
One thing I would like to see is promotion and relegation like they do elsewhere where they play the game.
It would be great to see a promotion/relegation link up with the USL. It would give the sport more exposure out here.
Why they won't go to one table format instead of Eastern and Western Conferences is beyond me.
It works everywhere else.
Also scrap the play-offs.....it's a waste of time and makes the regular season redundant!
What's the point in playing 30 games when it counts for nothing, because a team that finishes fourth in it's conference can win the MLS title????
Just play the regular season games and who finishes top of the table is the CHAMPION! | |
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| MLS expansion - Philadelphia 16th team
Posted: 4/5/2008 4:20:32 PM | I was all prepared to join in this discussion in a mature and sensible way until you Americans started swearing adn using that bloody S-word!
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Posted: 4/5/2008 4:39:06 PM |
I was all prepared to join in this discussion in a mature and sensible way until you Americans started swearing adn using that bloody S-word!
Its obvious you did not read whole thread. Please be more aware of what is going on before you make such a comment.
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Posted: 4/6/2008 12:58:48 AM | No problem. Here's hoping you enjoy being a 'sawker' fan. I shall now idulge myself by watching the FA Cup semi final. You see, us Brits invented the sport! | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 1:15:59 AM | what the romans/chinese/aztecs had was an ancient version, which bears little resemblance to the 'beautiful game' (first and last time I use that expression!). 1860's onwards over here was when the first football clubs arrived. Still slightly annoyed we have only won the World Cup the once! Aside from England, I adore watching football in Germany, brilliant atmosphere.
Glad to see the regional/slightly racist insults are about by the way (pom!)! How is life in Oz? Still need a Criminal Record to get in?  | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 2:42:26 AM | Wouldnt know mate im Italian.
Funny how the ex cons beat the mother country at everything though lol
(Sorry couldnt ressist) lol | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:05:02 AM |
Here's hoping you enjoy being a 'sawker' fan.
Now you are using a s-word....
You see, us Brits invented the sport!
And every another country made it better....
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:18:03 AM | I shant take up the obvious bait there Ossington!
When i visited America a couple years back I got to see some football (thats proper football, not Gridiron btw!) and the enforced 'razzmatazz' part of it was cloying but credit where it is due, at least there was a respectable amount of fans there. The thing is, you can't force the game on a community just by creating a franchise, the clubs have to happen naturally like from immigrant communities or work based, that's how pretty much all the clubs do it over here and in the rest of europe! | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:01:58 AM | ^^^^^^ well said Hamlet!
and i would add the problem in USA is they do not have a deep-rooted football culture. perhaps tomorrow an american rich man wakes up thinking about creating a new franchise/team to join the MLS (there have been lots of teams in the past that have disappeared, say, NY Cosmos and a long etc ) even right now one MLS team called Kansas City Wizards have disappeared or it will happen soon because of the poor fanbase.
here in Europe, none team can disappear (just like no-one would let NY Yankees or Chicago Cubs disappear i think, as they are very deep-rooted amongst the american society) football clubs must happen naturally within a community or region, just like all European clubs did during the 19th century (this is perhaps the main difference between football in Europe and in North America).
as Mr GB has perfectly stated above, the conference system in MLS does not really help the sport, and may i add it is UNFAIR. so the winner of the west faces the winner of the east to see the champion? please! where is justice in USA? how can a team from the west be declared champion if they did not face all the teams from the east?
MLS should change, it should have a table system, so all teams face one another at home and away during the whole season. and at the end the team with more points ( 3 points per victory and 1 per draw) is the champion, a real and fair champion
also there should be a promotion and relegation system, HOWEVER, right now it is not possible in USA, why? because all towns, small towns and cities do not have their own deep-rooted football teams as we have in Europe. they lack of tradition and culture, and you must have it from the poorest and smallest town playing in 3rd or 4th division wanting to be promoted to the best team fighting for the Champion League or European Cup. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 12:04:00 PM | they lack of tradition and culture
Our tradition and culture is completely different from you. We Americans/North Americans have given soccer opportunity, a chance of growth. Although it may not be as popular here as it is in Europe, we have embraced it with open arms. Our whole country does not need to like it, but we have our fan base and that's all we need.
However, Europe has not given any of our sports a chance. Only to bash it claiming that it easy or we wear too much protective gear when they have never played the sport. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 1:11:16 PM | Not entirely true
several Euro countries have baseball leagues.
Basketball is very popular across Europe.
Greece is the current world champion. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 2:11:42 PM | I believe hockey has caught on in Europe as well, check out the NHL rosters.
I am a late comer to football as a fan and a recreational player, my carreer spans ages 10 to 15, hiatus for a few years then 48 to 52. MLS is great, TFC has an inpiring fan base. It also gives El Norte fans a chance to see a possible friendly with the likes of Newcastle, MANU, Liverpool, Arsenal or ( shudder) Chelsea.
It gives young football players in NA another dream to aspire to.
If the European teams are signing MLS players then it is another stepping stone to the "biggies" for NA talent. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 3:25:37 PM | Not entirely true
Not entirely true? So you are saying half my statement is true....Thanks. Which part, the embracing part or Europe not giving our sport a chance.
Name the baseball leagues in Europe? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 4:12:12 AM | Europe has given north american sports many chances. NFL Europe is a very good example, the problem with American football on European soil is Europe has a very deep-rooted proper football culture. also the padding, helmets, stoppages, breaks, TV commercials do not really help it, and we Europeans would never embrace it unless they got rid of it (i speak for myself, but i am sure millions would agree with me).
only Germany seems to take American football seriously with many fans and some teams, however, even so those fans are a tiny minority amongst the Germans who prefer proper football.
the rest of NFL Europe teams from Spain (Barcelona Dragons), Scotland (Scottish Claymores) and many others have disappeared because of the poor fanbase and support.
as for baseball, let me tell you that all European countries have their own baseball leagues. here in Spain we have one, the same in Italy, France, etc the problem is no-one really cares about those leagues nor do they appear on TV, newspapers, etc and some of those leagues are not professional or major, with the 'players' having their own jobs during the week, they train not much, just to play the matches and no more.
the same with American football, we in Spain have a league with teams (Barcelona Dragons playing in NFL Europe in the past has nothing to do with the league) in fact if you look at the facts you see that the league still survives with teams and their fans, whereas NFL Europe failed. Europe is a large continent with its own national countries, so that would explain why NFL Europe failed, whereas the national leagues survive, yes as a tiny minority but at least they survive (if i were an american football fan i would care about our Spanish league, not NFL Europe) i think the same happens in Italy, France, Portugal or England, etc | |
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