| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 2/29/2008 6:27:34 PM | | I guess it was a mistake looking for advice on here as it probably was not necessary. Things are not going well with my friend and her finance at this point it seems. Apparently, it wasn't just the ring...something else is going on as well. Perhaps it just isn't meant to be... | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 2/29/2008 6:33:38 PM | Nope.... As long as he ment it when he gave it to her. If she has a problem then she needs to rethink things. Unless he got the cheapest thing he he could find .maybe. But its the thought that counts right? | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 2/29/2008 6:40:13 PM | Things most people don't know about Jewelry...
NEVER buy from a Jeweler...you WILL pay TOO MUCH!
Purchase good quality diamonds from pawn shops...yes...PAWN SHOPS. They more or less buy them for the Gold Content...not so much the stone. If you know your gemstones and how to look at them properly thru a loop (or heck, bring a microscope) you can buy some serious stones for next to nothing.
THEN you go to the jeweler and tell them to take the stone out of ring/rings that you bring and place them into a setting/s of your choosing. Heck, have them melt down the gold from the rings and MAKE you your own personal designer piece. It'll still be WAY less expensive than buying one of theirs.
I send my mother earrings/tennis bracelets/pins, rings, etc on birthdays/Mother's day...a pair of 1 carat diamond earrings tends to cost me around 150 bux...Gotta luv it when your mom can show off heavy duty jewelry to her friends...you get the props, mom gets the goods, everyone except your siblings are happy!!!!  Imagine being able to give your mother Square cuts one year, Princess the next...ad infinitum. All you have to do is shop the pawn shops & collect minimum 1 carat rings of any variety until you have enough (at around 50-100 bux a pop) to create a ring, earrings, pins, bracelets...
heck, if I had the patience to learn the Jeweler's trade, I'd make it all myself and never step foot in a Jeweler's again... | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 2/29/2008 6:45:13 PM | Size matters.
Not just diamonds either.
Anyway, first marriage - at least one carat center diamond, second marriage two carat center diamond, and so on, of the highest clarity and color that you can possibly afford and finance. You should be so broke afterwards that neither of you can afford to get divorced. Well, she can, because she can sell the ring. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 1:33:55 AM | It depends whether or not the guy's cheap or just broke. Maybe the guy doesn't believe in extravagant flashes of wealth, maybe it'd be better to invest in more expensive wedding rings rather than an engagement ring which only benefits 1 party.
This whole topic saddens me, I gotta be big in the pants and in the wallet... Talk about fine print. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 1:48:02 AM | Back in days of old you were given sweet grass twine, or a coin.....if a man trusted you with a coin it meant something. Myself personally, I'd rather have a ring that has meaning behind it like a ring that has been in the family forever {does not have to be a diamond.......or his birthstone........or true to legend a genuine sweetgrass ring...............diamonds are so impersonal. I want somesthing special.......
I just hope she is happy above anything else.......and tell him to get a sweetgrass ring.............now that's a sentiment. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 7:21:02 AM | E.Sheep - follow my above plan and you ain't gotta be big in the wallet...just big in the pants!! And if you really need a bigger one, there is the John Wayne Bobbit plan...just get a big ole corpse pecker transplanted on!!
Life takes planning, if you don't make huge money (over 100K a year) you have to shop smart. I'm a penny pincher from hell, but I give killer gifts  | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 7:34:28 AM | Well the solution this is clear enough to me -- about every 90 days have the stone replaced with one just slightly larger -- until the desirable caliber of diamond (or cubic zirconium ) is attained...
No need to thank me -- as always, I'm glad to help sort things out.  | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 8:26:45 AM | I think if she can't be honest and open, it's a bad sign. It doesn't come down to being materialist or petty - it comes down to if she is comfortable. I was in love and married a woman. She was only 18 - she wanted a square diamond and I had purchased a round one....I was happy with the quality of the diamond, but she wasn't. I wanted her to like the ring I go her - - so we went to the jeweler, and she got her white gold band with square diamond and two bigets. I remember she said, "If you can't afford the ring, you can't afford me". That might sound ****y. But she was right at that young age....If I didn't care enough to suck up my pride to give her what she had been dreaming of for years ... how could she trust me to ever deliver anything where my ego felt bruised?
BTW - It wasn't the money or value, It was the "style" she wanted. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 11:25:05 AM |
I guess it was a mistake looking for advice on here as it probably was not necessary. Things are not going well with my friend and her finance at this point it seems. Apparently, it wasn't just the ring...something else is going on as well. Perhaps it just isn't meant to be...
I'm not exactly surprised. It goes back to what many people have said. If it was utterly true love, her happiest emotion would have been how she was going to spend the rest of her wonderful life with this awesome man. If it was truly love like that, she wouldn't have even been concerned about the ring.
In my opinion, we shouldn't get married if we feel any less than that. I hope nobody wonders why about half of all marriages fail. So many are started without working through these things. He should have know that it was important to her. She should have known his financial situation and/or his feeling on large purchases. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 11:44:45 AM | | I would be annoyed if my partner went out and spend thousands on a ring. I would rather him use that money on a house. Somewhere we can be together and our relationship can grow. You can lose a ring but never a house. ha ha | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 7:16:28 PM | | Wow. I would never purchase my own engagement ring. If she's totally head over heels for this guy then she shouldn't worry about what others think of her engagement ring. She should hold her head high and be proud. The engagement ring is not to impress others, it symbolizes a new unity. Geez, people have become way too materialistic. What exactly is a "proper" engagement ring? 1carat platinum princess cut? haha | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 8:25:24 PM | Ok, well im gonna say something here that no one else has the guts to say.
Of course the size matters and any woman that will look you square in the eye at a little itsy bitsy diamond and say, "oh how lovely", is full of BS.
Yes we all know that it is the love between the two of you that should matter, but lets face it, every woman dreams of having that sparkling diamond, or whatever stone, on her finger that she can show off to family and friends.
I've spent half my life working with jewelry and I can tell you that the minium a guy should spend is two months salary. If he does that, he is making a good, honest attempt.
One man suggests going to a pawn shop to purchase your jewelry. Well, sometimes you can get lucky, but be careful, they can inflate their prices too, well above the actual appraisel value. You also always want to have them diamond test infront of you.
Unfortunately we live in a very materalistic world where size matters in almost everything if you think about it.
Guys, go out and get your woman a nice decent ring. She deserves that much for what she is gonna have to put up with in the future. Trust me, you will be rewarded.
For those that can't afford, there is always credit, layaway, saving up for it, and sperm donations at your local fertility bank.  | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 8:35:35 PM | Msg 114:
the minium a guy should spend is two months salary
Umm, I...don't...think...so.
I don't know (or care) what everyone else here makes, but that's enough to buy a brand new car.
She deserves that much for what she is gonna have to put up with in the future
Cynical? Sure sounds like it.
Trust me, you will be rewarded
How do I put this? If it takes spending that kind of money to be "rewarded", I can find someone in the phone book under "Escorts" that will reward me a whole lot cheaper. And I have as much plans on doing that (zero).
For those that can't afford, there is always credit, layaway, saving up for it, and sperm donations at your local fertility bank.
Or...just waiting to find the right woman who isn't so shallow, pathetic, and materialistic. They do exist...several of them have posted in this thread. I'd much rather wait for one of those. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 8:48:52 PM | Nothing about money really matters.
That is the myth.
Money is important.
That is the fact.
Now, diamonds are a rather poor investment.
As soon as you drive it off the lot, deduct 50%. Or more.
Costco has great Princess Cuts, and others, at a fraction of the Independent Jeweler types.
Not that it matters.
Except it does matter.
Anyone can dodge this bullet, by citing Shakespeare.
But a big, beautiful diamond is just fun.
It is just plain insane.
I love it.
But that is just me.
There is no hard and fast rule.
But bling just makes me, personally, feel good
And if she likes that kind of thing, then I have made two people happy.
Hell, if she liked to wear her bra on the outside, and danced like Lorraine on Seinfeld,
she could do that, also.
I don't care.
I love her.
And in 100 years, or, alot less, no one else will care anyways. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/1/2008 8:56:08 PM | EastCoast - don't trust THIER diamond tester...trust your OWN.
Granted when it comes to jewelry one needs to spend some serious study time in the subject so they don't get caught short. Knowing what to look for and how low to buy it makes all the difference in the world. Jewelers mark up their merchandise in the THOUSANDS of percents...not your normal 50% markup you find in furniture stores & whatnot. You take a 200 dollar diamond and a 80 dollar setting and charge 3000 for it...is that sort of rip off what you want your "Smart Man" to have?
Most women would rather their man put down 10 grand on a house than on a ring...but it's nice if you want to do it. Me...nawp. I've spent 500 on a really nice white gold setting but had them put my 1 & 1/2 carat princess cut in the ring...which I spent 120 on...but I'm not about to cough up 3500 in a store for it..I'd rather use the difference to put a down payment on a new car for her...helluva lot more useful. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 9:02:40 PM | WOW, dave, ok, well just telling it like it is from a woman who is brave enough to do so. I never once said that I myself was this way. I am taking what I have learned over the many years of dealing with the public and talking to many different types of people.
The average first engagement ring is at least a carat. So whatever that costs you depending on quality. This info. comes straight from being in the business.
Cynical, well hell yeah im cynical. Not your problem, get over it.
Rewarded as in meaning being grateful, appreciative that he took the time to give her a piece of jewelry that is very sentimental and she will wear hopefully for the rest of her life. Maybe even something she can hand down one day. Men don't get the meaning of jewelry like women do. Have an open mind. Oh, wait, you must be the shallow one sir as your mind headed straight towards the escort idea. Hmmmm.
What kind of woman you choose to wait for sir is your perogitive. However just because a woman likes jewelry doesn't make her shallow or materalistic. I seriously doubt if any of these women were presented with a beautiful diamond ring of nice size they would turn it down. I've seen women like that walk into a store and say "oh honey you don't have to spend alot of money" but as soon as they see the big stuff their eyes light up. Just as if a man were to walk into an electronics store. Do you think his attention would be focused on the small tv, UH, no way. He wants the big guns baby and remotes to go with it.
Don't be so quick to judge a person. One thing I must say though, we only live once. Mine as well live the best we can while we are here and enjoy what luxeries we can before it is too late. If that is being materialistic, so be it. I have no problem with it.
Kisses Dave, its all good. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/2/2008 12:20:46 AM | IF u love her.
By the way, the size does not guarantee loyalty.
I might have added
"I don't care, I... LOVED.. her"
(As in 'the past')
But she left during the dry months
When I could have used that money
To pay taxes.
But that was MY faux pas
Not the Jeweller's.
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/2/2008 3:01:08 AM | | I dunno if dave was so much saying that a woman is materialistic for liking jewerly, but for thinking a relationship is in trouble based soley on the size of her jewelry being too small. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/2/2008 3:42:35 AM | | Any diamond store would be VERY happy to trade in the ring for a bigger fancier more expensive flashier ring that really shows off her shallow materialistic side. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/2/2008 8:14:14 AM |
I dunno if dave was so much saying that a woman is materialistic for liking jewerly, but for thinking a relationship is in trouble based soley on the size of her jewelry being too small.
Thanks ExplosiveSheep, that was pretty much what I was saying. I like nice cars. But what a lady drives has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I'd like to spend the rest of my life with her. I've dated rich. I've dated poor. And honestly, I simply DO NOT CARE how much money she has, or what she can give me, other than her time, love, and affection. Anything else is not relevant to me, as long as I can pay my bills.
I'll continue to stubbornly hold out for the lady who loves me for who I am, and not how much money I can bring to the table. I don't say that as a poor man, I do okay financially.
I continue to think so-called requirements like "2 months salary" and "1 carat" are utterly ridiculous, and are perpetuated by the diamond industry. Of COURSE they want you to spend a lot of money, their livelihood depends on it! They couldn't maintain their expensive showrooms if we spent $100 on an engagement ring. It's no surprise that someone in the industry keeps passing these guidelines on...they've been drummed into their heads, no doubt. | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/2/2008 10:21:09 AM | I believe that the size of the heart giving the ring reflects in the ring's brilliance no matter the ring's size!!  :love
I'd be just as happy with a plain gold band as a huge rock if the right person was giving it.... | |
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| does size really matter in an engagement ring?
Posted: 3/2/2008 10:28:03 AM | The finance' of a close friend of mine asked for some money from him and went out and bought the ring she wanted, adding her own money to it as she pleased. She couldn't wait to show it off. That's half the fun. Then several months later she decided to have some diamonds put in the band, and again, on her own, she did it. I asked my friend if it bothered him before writing this. He said of course not. He said guys don't care about that stuff, only women do. Why shouldn't she have some fun with it if she wanted to? And THEY have a wonderful relationship. If she enjoys celebrating their relationship in this way, and can afford it, what's the problem?
OP, I don't understand the flack on here. What's the big deal? If the woman wants a different ring - she should have a different ring. She's wearing it and it says something about her personality!
How would a guy like to wear suits if he was a biker dude. It's plain and simple. If the guy is going to throw a tizzy over her taste in a ring then she should move on! The next time it will be the color of her hair of the shoes on her feet. It makes as much sense.
BTW- I saw the update regarding their were other issues....Not very surprising to me.
[Or...just waiting to find the right woman who isn't so shallow, pathetic, and materialistic. They do exist...several of them have posted in this thread. I'd much rather wait for one of those.]
The purchase of a engagement ring is the most important purchase a man can make. It should SHOW how much he is willing to invest in the marriage. My son, who had very little money, spent 3 months salary on the engagement ring. He wouldn't make the purchase except from the jeweler with the best reputation because He was Making A Statement to Her and any other man that saw that ring... Yes, she was in love with him and the ring. He chose the design in his mind and then found the ring....
IMO, the ring shows whats in the man's heart. | |
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