| |
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/7/2009 1:31:52 PM | | The acronym for my profession is SLP. My first and last name initials are L.P. My friends tell me that the acronym for my profession is fitting since it also is the acronym for Sarcastic L.P. If sarcasm is not done in a cruel way, it is fine for me. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/7/2009 1:34:58 PM | | What matters is if you like it or not. If not, don't waste your time. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/7/2009 2:48:48 PM |
Hmm, as opposed to you acting like a jack@ss when people don't agree with "you", eh? (as in “liking” sarcasm) Guess it never occurs to some that they fall into their own trap of logic. Also funny how some make it personal when I talk about the concept of sarcasm as opposed to the individual who practices it. Feathers get immediately ruffled and backs arch in fight mode if one even “thinks” they’re being included in the conversation.
Being sarcastic is not equal to being a jack@ss. Being a jack@ss is equal to being a jack@ss. Sarcasm is not appropriate with everyone. Some people can handle it, some people can't but, apparently, you can't see this because you're too busy saying all sarcasm is bad. Its not a black and white situation. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 4:57:46 AM | ^^^ That's because you're mistaking real, honest-to-goodness sarcasm with something else. Again, people seem to be a bit fuzzy on the textbook definition.
 Mo | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 5:19:48 AM | | Sarcasm is funny when you get the person I love the play of it :) Just have to be careful if others get you or not | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 7:06:00 AM | | I LOVE sarcasm and find it hilarious. It CAN be mean and CAN be passive aggressive, but then, so can most "humor". It's all in the manner in which it's employed. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 7:26:10 PM |
That's because you're mistaking real, honest-to-goodness sarcasm with something else. Again, people seem to be a bit fuzzy on the textbook definition.
Sarcasm is sarcasm...dont care which way you look at it. I'm not fuzzy on the textbook definition. Sarcasm is not a bad thing. Sarcasm can only be as bad as the person's intentions. In other words....I agree with the above poster. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 8:15:38 PM | IN MY EXPERIENCE (see how I made that really big, lest someone peg me for generalizing?),
people that have a problem with sarcasm take themselves and everything they touch and do way too seriously. Or sarcasm just flies over their heads.
Take one of the leading contributors to the "sarcasm" listing on Wikipedia.
She's a bible saleswoman.
She takes extreme offense if someone makes a joke about the fact that she sells bible's for a living. Come on...how can you NOT make a joke about that?
.
I find irony amusing, I'm comfortable laughing at myself, and I'm comfortable laughing *with* other people about themselves. Or *at* people's ignorance. Do I consider myself to be a "bull in a china shop?" Normally, no. Those people usually claim to be "brutally honest," not sarcastic. I try to have tact.
Now, when I'm arguing, I can be bullish, and sarcasm is present. However, if someone is throwing non-sarcastic insults, and I'm throwing sarcastic insults, I hardly think that makes me any better or worse.
I agree with most of the posters - it's the intent behind the words, not the words themselves. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 8:45:32 PM | Sarcasm is often veiled hostility. Sarcastic people think they are clever venting their hostility under the guise of humor because the targets are obliged to roll with it and if they hit back they are accused of being defensive. There is also a silly saying that it's the lowest form of wit (agreed) but also the most intelligent (blah blah cheap low blows are not smart).
I don't see it in good hearted people. If someone is sarcastic to you, watch your back. | |
|
| |
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 10:14:26 PM | | Sounds like you need counseling. Many years and much money's worth.... maybe they can find your sense of humor. Eh- probably not! | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 10:18:03 PM | Sarcasm is often veiled hostility. Sarcastic people think they are clever venting their hostility under the guise of humor because the targets are obliged to roll with it and if they hit back they are accused of being defensive. There is also a silly saying that it's the lowest form of wit (agreed) but also the most intelligent (blah blah cheap low blows are not smart).
I don't see it in good hearted people. If someone is sarcastic to you, watch your back.
LMAO @ not seeing it in good-hearted people. You're a terrible judge of character.
Not all sarcasm is veiled hostility. Not even close. I know exactly what you are talking about when mentioning this type. You're talking about the passive-aggressive who is too gutless to speak their true feelings so they use sarcasm. Then like someone said here, they pull the "you're defensive" card when most people respond.
This is not all sarcasm. In fact, most sarcasm I encounter and give does not fall under this. Most of the sarcasm I see is done in a humorous way amongst friends, who all have an understanding that if you give, you shall receive. Outside of that, most times it's tactless, simply because only an idiot would use a rhetorical device for humor or anything else without understanding that person, unless they are being malicious.
When someone uses it the way you desribe, it's often fun to play their game right back. Most are such unhappy, twits that they can't handle it. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 10:21:41 PM | | truth betold, no two people are alike, no new idea there right, but apply it, people are sarcastic for differnat reasons, there is no trend or rule on this one so it can't be a flag. and even if most there was a trend, "most people who are sarcastic are... " that don't mean he inthe norm or one of the rare few, so two things 1 if there are some unsolved issues there will be other signs, look for them, if you have alot of signs that means something. 2 either you trust some one or you don't if you do continue, if you don't walk way it's that esy the only exceptionto this rule is when your first getting to know someone, so you don't trust them yet... i fou feel you might be able to continue, then apply the rule if when you trust them continue until, you can't or don't hink you can.. thenwal way!!! | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 10:43:48 PM |
Most of the sarcasm I see is done in a humorous way amongst friends, who all have an understanding that if you give, you shall receive. Outside of that, most times it's tactless, simply because only an idiot would use a rhetorical device for humor or anything else without understanding that person, unless they are being malicious.
You're talking about the passive-aggressive who is too gutless to speak their true feelings so they use sarcasm. Then like someone said here, they pull the "you're defensive" card when most people respond.
Funny that you nailed it here!
I would never consider anyone who is into sarcasm, classy. And that's just the way I am. Sorry~ | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 10:46:08 PM |
Funny that you nailed it here!
I would never consider anyone who is into sarcasm, classy. And that's just the way I am. Sorry~
And that's why you will always limit your sense of humor by taking yourself way too seriously. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 11:16:42 PM | To each his own! I laugh at clowns' antics but when a comedian has to resort to clowning to get a reaction, then he is not really a comedian. That's how I view sarcasm.
You can have a sense of humour but if you have to continuously resort to sarcasm, you are a clown and might as well take one of those courses for clowns.
I appreciate a good sense of humour, especially if they are well placed. But as you said it is in the context of how it is said, the intention and the type of audience. If it is at the expense of that audience, then familiarity is very strong. Taking oneself seriously does not even play here. It's either your sarcasm is appreciated or not! Don't put it right back at your audience just because your attempts at humour fails in establishing rapport.
As your statement said, it's an exchange~a two-way street. If one is intent in applying sarcasm and the other person is not, it defeats the purpose of creating humour. You are on your own and don't blame the other person for lacking sense of humour. The attempt has failed and no amount of sarcasm can give one an award for having a good sense of humour.
Enjoy your sarcasm. Some people are just not going to be sold on it no matter how much you try to insult them by attacking their intelligence or what have you. It's a preference just like choosing a date.  | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/8/2009 11:33:52 PM |
To each his own! I laugh at clowns' antics but when a comedian has to resort to clowning to get a reaction, then he is not really a comedian. That's how I view sarcasm. Slap stick is lame. I agree. However, do you feel the same way about satirists, who poke fun of hypocrisy using sarcasm as part of their many rhetorical devices? It's not an act of desperation with those who have a full arsenol of rhetorical devices at their disposal. Just another way to poke fun of something needing it.
You can have a sense of humour but if you have to continuously resort to sarcasm, you are a clown and might as well take one of those courses for clowns. Since when have I made a point regarding this? Quit arguing against false arguments to have a point. Nobody likes a one-dimensional comedian. We all had our fill of Pauly Shore.
I appreciate a good sense of humour, especially if they are well placed. But as you said it is in the context of how it is said, the intention and the type of audience. If it is at the expense of that audience, then familiarity is very strong. Taking oneself seriously does not even play here. It's either your sarcasm is appreciated or not! Don't put it right back at your audience just because your attempts at humour fails in establishing rapport. Yes it does. If one cannot handle sarcasm amongst friends, especially when the situation warrants it, then you do take yourself way too seriously. Methinks, you cannot handle any personal ribbing outside of sarcasm. That would make you humorless since the ability to laugh at yourself, especially your mistakes are the key to having a sense of humor. BTW, the rapport is already established since the assumption is sarcasm amongst friends. So again, quit arguing false points.
As your statement said, it's an exchange~a two-way street. If one is intent in applying sarcasm and the other person is not, it defeats the purpose of creating humour. You are on your own and don't blame the other person for lacking sense of humour. The attempt has failed and no amount of sarcasm can give one an award for having a good sense of humour. Wow, here you are again making up false points I made then arguing against them.
Enjoy your sarcasm. Some people are just not going to be sold on it no matter how much you try to insult them by attacking their intelligence or what have you. It's a preference just like choosing a date. I already know a lot of people are humorless drones. It's not an insult. It's an observation. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/15/2009 2:36:19 PM | | Sarcasm that has a tone of Contempt in it is very different from Humorous Sarcasm, in my opinion. And who the sarcasm is directed at? For what purpose? If it is to shame another, feel superior to or embarass/humiliate one, it is not Funny! I think you are correct when you say, it's passive/aggressive & shows alot of unresolved conflict in the one using the sarcasm. But I do enjoy sarcastic humour sometimes, as long as the intention isn't to hurt someone. Bumpy road ahead? Maybe based on the roadsigns along the journey... just watch for them. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/18/2009 4:33:24 PM | I already know a lot of people are humorless drones. It's not an insult. It's an observation.
 nice to see this thread is so catastrophically successful in keeping some entertained... okay off to watch Carlin
keep up the good work Sumo | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/18/2009 4:38:51 PM | | Wow now a bit of sarcasm is a red flag? OMG what is the world coming to? | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/19/2009 5:21:09 AM | I don't see it as being a red flag at all. I'm as sarcastic as all get out, but I go so completely over the top with it that people know I'm kidding. I'd love to find someone with my sense of humour... but with a penis and more chest hair.
Case in point: My cousin recently gave birth to a smaller version of her fiance. They look so much alike that it just looked like his head on a really tiny body. They even had the same hairline! Everyone was ooh'ing and ahhh'ing ; talking about how much they looked alike. Being the jackass I am frequently, I couldn't help myself...
"Whoa.. dude! Need a place to stay and some cash while you're waiting for the DNA test results to come back?"
Or the time I went to a restaurant to meet a guy a couple of friends had set me up with. I got there early and he came in right on time. "So, did you get here early?"
"Yep, I thought I'd get the stalking out of the way BEFORE you find out where I live and work. If the cops can't find me, they can't charge me! So.... drinks?"
I say things like this all the time, and have never been punched in the face. As a matter of fact, people tell me I'm 'charming'. I keep aiming for badass muthaf*cker with a bad attitude, but I'll take what I can get I suppose. | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/19/2009 5:27:44 AM | | red flag, and yes I see it as passive aggressive, being mean without the balls. I stay clear away from a man that's going to dump his sarcastic wit on me because most times it just comes off as mean comments. Run for the hills, fast! | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/19/2009 5:30:25 PM | So my SARCASM is the reason I don't have a boyfriend. Darn, I thought it was becaue I was short. Guess I'll have to work on that since I'm not going to grow any taller.  | |
|
| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/19/2009 6:36:26 PM | | I went on two dates with someone who actually spent most of the second date insulting me. I showed enough respect to call and let him know I did not want to go out again, but did not say why, as he gave me the impression he would be vicious in reaction, and I did not feel I deserved having to put up with it. | |
|
Home
login 
^^^ I agree. There are those of us who enjoy and even require company that embraces sarcasm. I also enjoy the ironic, moronic, simplistic, overt, covert and sick/twisted humor. The only bad sarcasm is when it's meant to hurt someone and that isn't really sarcasm. That's a serious lack of tact, empathy, common courtesy and generally equivalent to out and out meanness. 
JMO 
