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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/21/2009 5:19:29 PM | | Sarcasim is a way of life for some, and it makes the world enteraining for people like me, with out it I would go nuts. I'm hardly passive agressive or anything stated or implied, and I find it funny that anyone would even think that. Some of the best memories I have involve sarcasim. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/21/2009 9:01:59 PM | Most people do get what sarcasm is and how it's used. Unfortunately, there are many who think in their own subjective way that their own version of it is humourous - when it's clearly not to anyone but themselves; therefore, it does not make them as intelligent as they'd like to think they are because they're again, only being subjective. Actually it's more than me who finds me humorous. This was actually the funniest thing you wrote in this thread. This one had me LOL'ing. You're in the very small minority of people who find me unfunny. IRL and here on POF the vast majority of people love my sense of humor.
Also, this is one of the first examples you showed in your rather unintelligent response that you're not very good at reading comprehension since most of the people against sarcasm really have no clue what it is. Just like you. You'll show me later how little you know
While we're talking about defintions of different words and being that one is so staunchly providing examples in defence of himself, here's a great example of being oxymoronic at it's finest when someone states you hold a higher degree of intelligence if you can understand sarcasm. In the following case the individual it was directed at was being called an idiot, but they apparently got the sarcasm: Yup it does take a higher degree of intelligence to get sarcasm. I never said it takes a genius to understand when it is directed at them. Just a higher degree of intellect. And when the sarcasm is obvious like the facial expressions in my case, only a retard would not get it. Way to hinge your whole argument vs. me on this point. Obviously, reading comprehension as well as understanding sarcasm are not quite within your grasp yet. You're in between a corpse and Jessica Simpson in terms of intellect.
BTW, when using a large word to insult someone. PLEASE LOOK UP WHAT IT MEANS SO YOU DO NOT USE IT OUT OF CONTEXT LIKE YOU JUST DID. The word you were looking for was irony. Situational irony if you want to get technical. Something you just provided this thread with. An oxymoron refers to a figure of speech in which combination of words contradict themselves. Not an entire passage. But a mere few words. Like sweet sorrow, jumbo shrimp or smart blonde. Please educate yourself more before replying. Otherwise, I will be forced to bill you for my services.
Now, am I being just plainly saracastic here, or am I providing sarcastic humour, being that this is directed at an individual? Are you laughing yet, or are you pissed off? I know I'm laughing at this, as others are likely too. Therefore, this must be the humourous sarcasm which is being so staunchly supported. Then again, that's just my subjective opinion. On top of it, I must be highly intelligent just because I subjectively think I'm being humourously sarcastic!! I'm so glad to know this!! I can sleep soundly at night now.
I was laughing. Not because you're funny...intentionally. That will be the reason why others laugh at you too. When you try to be humorous, you're about as funny as Shindler's List. The quote of mine you grabbed was a lead into my story about sarcasm. So you get a B-. You found something, misquoted it and misused it for your agenda. Then you failed to take an obvious point where you could have made some funny jokes and failed miserably.
BTW, still laughing...at you. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/21/2009 11:23:05 PM | Actually it's more than me who finds me humorous. This was actually the funniest thing you wrote in this thread. This one had me LOL'ing. You're in the very small minority of people who find me unfunny. IRL and here on POF the vast majority of people love my sense of humor.
Now now. You quoted me and then said I find you unfunny. Where in that quote did I refer to you? Do I have you doubting yourself? If you have a number of people laughing at your sarcastic humour, I'd say you've surrounded yourself with a following of people who are like minded. I have absolutely no knowledge of what your humour is with the people who find you funny, nor the circumstances surrounding whatever it is you say that causes people to laugh.
BTW, when using a large word to insult someone. PLEASE LOOK UP WHAT IT MEANS SO YOU DO NOT USE IT OUT OF CONTEXT LIKE YOU JUST DID. The word you were looking for was irony. Situational irony if you want to get technical. Something you just provided this thread with. An oxymoron refers to a figure of speech in which combination of words contradict themselves. Not an entire passage. But a mere few words. Like sweet sorrow, jumbo shrimp or smart blonde. Please educate yourself more before replying. Otherwise, I will be forced to bill you for my services.
So sorry to burst your intellect bubble, however, you should know that words can be used for more than one use. Before you start throwing stones about intellect or otherwise, know that the word oxymoronic also can be defined as follows: broadly - something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements. What in actual fact is ironic is that you talk about people not being able to take sarcasm...and you take what I have to say, when directed toward you, as an insult. Tsk tsk!
The quote of mine you grabbed was a lead into my story about sarcasm. So you get a B-. You found something, misquoted it and misused it for your agenda. Then you failed to take an obvious point where you could have made some funny jokes and failed miserably.
Ohhhh. I see, you were attempting to make a point about how sarcastic you can be with people. And here I thought you were attempting to point out that you were using sarcastic humour with the object in the story. No wonder I failed to understand. I didn't find it sarcastically humourous. I found your stated behaviour to be nothing less than rude and obnoxious. But it IS part of being sarcastic. I do apologize (not). Not only were you rude, obnoxious and sarcastic in your little story, from the sounds if it, you don't follow directions well either when expressly requested to do something.
Now here's the thing. I used what YOU would call sarcastic humour and directed it at you personally. What happened? I struck a nerve. Which proves the point that those who revel in using sarcastic humour direct at others as part of their every day communications on an ongoing basis (not as a stand up comedian), usually are the worst at being able to take it themselves. I knew it would piss you off and knew what the vein of your comeback would be. Very predictable behaviour. You, sir, use sarcasm (note I didn't say sarcastic humour) as a defence mechanism. You displayed it here, as well as in your little story.
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/21/2009 11:36:17 PM | Sarcasm........
French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
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1550
1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b: the use or language of sarcasm
I used to think it 'funny' also. No one else really did.
Not a part of my life anymore. And YES, it is a huge red flag, not to mention a buzz kill, bad vibes, and just not nice. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/21/2009 11:54:10 PM | LMAO
Try reading the first three lines of your first post about me. Notice how your first two are a lead into a sentence about me? Then you introduce what I wrote. So you're not only a passive-aggressive, but a liar now too, huh? Quit lying and quit spinning. Admit you are less than me.
Once again, you used oxymoronic incorrectly. I am aware of that definition, Sherlock and what I wrote still does not fall under it. Where should I send you the bill for me schooling you?
I understand you didn't find it sarcastic. Like I said, you're not smart enough to detect it. You've obvously shown your lack of intellect with your lack of vocabulary and preschool reading comprehension. My behavior was rude and obnoxious. Guess why? I was being yelled at by some lady for doing her job and mine since she could not do it herself. So if standing up for myself is rude, I guess you love life as a doormat. Well, since you allow me to continually step on you, it wouldn't be too much of stretch. LOL @ not following directions. Sure let me follow them and allow not only the kids I care about to fail, but allow the school to lose funding. All so I can allow someone to have a power trip. Again, I was following directions until I had to do my job as an educator first. But, then again the less intelligent aren't smart enough to look above the groud they stand on.
And you did not use sarcastic humor. You really didn't use any sarcasm. Very little. And you used absolutely no humor. At least no visible attempts. So how is that sarcastic humor? At least you used sarcasm this time. And you did make some attempts at humor. Seriously, humor is not your thing. Stick to the things you know. Like nothing. BTW, you once again show piss-poor reading comprehension. I stated several times here that I do not condone personal attacks at strangers using any rhetorical devices. Even sarcasm. This is exactly what you did. Guess what? I'm going to come back. Yeah, it's predictable, stupid. Since I clearly stated on several posts that I was against this type of sarcasm. Boy, you sure made a point using something I'm adamantly against on me. You sure are smart, aren't you?
Nice try framing it as a defense mechanism. At least you learned to spell defense this time around. So you are learning. The fact is, you proved nothing. You used something I've been saying is wrong against me. And guess what? You got a response out of me. Who woulda thought? LMAO. Idiot. And btw, it didn't piss me off. I'm naturally a chatter box. So just because I type a lot doesn't mean I'm upset. In fact, I'm laughing the whole time I've responded to both your posts. Simply because I think it's funny how some people can go thru their lives this stupid. But you can do it. So I'm ever-so impressed. That brings a smile to my face. So sorry to burst your "I pissed off Sumo bubble." You're on the net. You can't possibly piss me off on an internet forum. How tiny do you think my self-worth is? lmao. Actually, kudos for that joke of pissing me off. If that was an actual joke. If it was an observation. Well...it goes with the rest of the garbage not really processed by your not really brain.
Now try coming at me from a non-attack mode. The way I've been saying sarcasm should be used. Amongst friends in a friendly manner. Using saracstic humor. Wait, do you have any friends to even have a frame of reference? | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/22/2009 12:15:00 AM | I could go back and forth with you on this forever Sumo, but I won't. I couldn't be bothered debating with one so closed minded and caustic. Quit while you're not ahead. You're making yourself out to be an ugly individual, whether or not people find you humourous from time to time.
P.S. Defense can be spelled either way...I'm just sayin'.... | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 2/22/2009 12:17:48 AM | You could go back and forth but then we'd have to send you to a battered woman's shelter. BTW, since you are not smart I have to say that previous statement is a metaphor for here. Not a literal threat. Thank goodness you stopped because I was worried you might kill yourself after I exposed you as an idiot the first time and a liar the next post. I accept your concession since you obviously can't think of any more lies to come at me with.
You're making yourself to look like a dishonest fool, debating me with lies with your made up facts and no mind.
BTW, funny calling me close minded when you're against all forms of sarcasm and I say it's okay in certain cases. Who's being close-minded?
And yes, I see you're Canadian. Yes, you guys also spell theater like theatre, right? You got me there. lol
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/10/2009 3:27:27 PM | | Apologies if I'm butting in on a sumo fight, but to return to the OP, I find that people in the UK massively overuse sarcasm. Such people are always p*ssed off with their lives and hoping to attain a superior ego-ideal with the notion of themselves as 'witty'. They tend to work in admin, watch a lot of television, and nothing amazes them. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/10/2009 9:40:39 PM | I find sarcasm in a relationship that is established is a heightened state of joking around. In the beginning of a relationship or before you have met the person, it is a complete turn off. There is no reason to start a relationship with sarcastic undertones. It has turned me off from some that I have had connections with   | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/11/2009 5:59:30 AM | | Pure sarcasm (don't know what else there is) is a form of mean and vicious verbal assault. The defense is it's "meant" to be used in fun or thought of as witty by its practitioners, but for those on the receiving end too many times it's misunderstood, boorish, and just plain irritating. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/11/2009 6:30:42 AM | sarcasm: example:
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fundamentalist: "hey, listen, god made the world 6000 years ago and then flooded it!"
bystander: "yeah, right!"
fundamentalist walks away feeling vindicated.
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oh, too subtle?? | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/11/2009 6:31:03 AM | Americans are lemmings; if something is in they will do it; sarcasm is now the cool thing; being blunt and straight forward without caring about anyones feelings, and sarcasm.
Sarcasm is fine to a point just like anything else; but I've met many people who call themselves sarcastic as negative, immature, self absorbed and close minded.
If someone is too much, I run from them. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/11/2009 7:56:52 AM | Sumo, I remember reading a few pages back your defense of sarcasm in a situation where you were getting berated by what you essentially termed a clueless idiot, and your sarcasm was the only thing that showed them the "light", so to speak.
You seem to be coming at it from more of an intellectual angle; that it's used not so much as a weapon but as a way of highlighting the stupidity of others and the craziness of the world around us. That presupposes a certain amount of intellectual superiority, for one. And, two, many don't feel the need to be constantly reminded of the absurdity around them in your presence (I can deal with it in my own way, thank you very much...lol).
Anyway, essentially what I gather from you is sarcasm can be used as a tool to illuminate and educate rather than attack ("See, it can be used for Good, not Evil, Batman!"...lol), and hence defensible when it's done for "good" purposes.
It's a variation of the argument that cutting remarks between friends is just playful kidding around, misconstrued by "outsiders" as harmful.
You'll have to let me know if my take sounds about right.
Let me say this: What you do between your friends/family is your business. If you all love being sarcastic with each other have at it. In other situations where you feel it's the best defense against verbal assault; again, that's your business.
The problem comes with scenarios outside this scope, and has to do with what I've been trying to explain throughout this thread.
People naturally sarcastic with "everyone" seem to have one basic trait in common, supreme egoists that evidently believe they are the keepers of its proper use and profoundly disdainful of all those who question it (the "whatta curse to be so brilliant and profound; such torture to put up with lesser mortals every day" mindset). They don't tend to make such fine distinctions in its use and who gets its treatment. Furthermore, this presumption is on the part of the practitioner, so totally subjective and arbitrary according to the individual. However, what one considers a perfectly acceptable situation could be very different from someone else's. But again, that determination rests with one side; they have all the power. If a recipient takes offense they are ridiculed for not understanding the intent (being stupid) and/or being too sensitive and touchy (sheesh, just chill out, dude?).
I've also found people that use sarcasm as a form of friendly banter expect its use in return, and when it's not reciprocated get confused and self-conscious, tending to use it even more, thus raising the possibility it could be taken wrong and touch off a "real" argument.
Once sarcasm is used on me it ceases to be confined to the narrow world of its user and becomes "my" domain. How I then respond is my business. And if I don't like it I have no problem telling the person.
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| There may not be....
Posted: 3/11/2009 9:40:21 AM | ...a more sarcastic person on the face of this planet than me, but....
You could go back and forth but then we'd have to send you to a battered woman's shelter.
...me thinks anyone who finds humor in the terms "battering" and "woman's shelter" in a dialogue / debate / discussion with a woman is just an idiot.
Or an overgrown frat boy.
Wait...is that redundant? | |
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| There may not be....
Posted: 3/11/2009 9:44:22 AM | | well i find it that sarcasim is a way ti hid my shyness.most people use humor to hid there true feelings when talking to the other sex | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/11/2009 9:45:35 AM | | what's wrong with abusing the person you love? verbally of course. i love a bit of well-aimed sarcasm. even if it's against me. as long as it's funny it's funny. not of course if you're aiming to hurt them, but joking about it all good fun. i've had boyfriends and known it was going downhill when they STOPPED picking on me. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 3/11/2009 10:58:31 AM | I hate sarcasm. If a guy is too sarcastic I break it off with him! it's not cute, it's annoying. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 4/5/2009 11:32:02 PM | Getting mad at someone for speaking sarcasticaly is like getting getting mad at someone for having an accent.
Sarcasm is really such a huge red flag for me, I really can't stand it.  | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 11/4/2009 9:20:14 PM | | Absolutely. Do you think it is a coincidence that so many women here talk about having a sarcastic sense of humor? What man is not going to get weary of that after a while? And yes it is a form of passive aggression - NOT an attractive quality. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 11/5/2009 12:22:23 AM |
I am thinking this is a red flag for passive agressiveness. Usually sounds like unresoved isuues or even plain meanness.
I don't think so....maybe you should grow a funny bone so you see that sarcasm used in humour is just that funny ha ha ha and not crybaby OP LOL. | |
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| Sarcasm red flag or not?
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:04:01 AM | Used properly sarcasm can be humorous, used improperly it can be seen as a sign of insecurity and or aggressive behavior.
More often than not, people who think their sarcasm is funny are clueless as to the nuances involved.
A classic example is be "wrestled" with above this post. Nothing funny about flaming and baiting another poster. | |
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