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| | Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?Page 8 of 8 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) | "Your vague insinuations and recycled wrong facts signify nothing."
Lyingcheat I really dont understand why this guy keeps trying to debate his nontheory with you and the other educated guys on this forum. You are running circles around him. His mind is too blocked with darkness and hatred to listen to you. You cannot penetrate hatred. Its malignant and necrotic. Thats the best way to describe his character. The sad thing is there are so many people who would still agree with him to satisfy their own racists desires about race, denying the fact that we all are connected to a common source. Its really sickening. What an idiot. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:12:42 PM | | Fredforties and Lyingcheat. I love the way you beat down ballard with educated facts. Its such a joy to watch the ignorant be defeated. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 10:52:04 PM |
Recall just a few years back when the medical community admitted it made a terrible mistake when they
did not develop race-specific treatments.
Do you have a meaningful citation for that?
By meaningful I mean not some terrified bigots book, an article off stromfront or majorityrights, or an opinion piece you found on www.kkk.com.
You know, an actual authoritative statement by an official body that represents the diverse global "medical community", seeing you are implying that's who "admitted" its 'error'.
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our genetic diversity keeps the h.sapiens line safe...ish on the assumption that a disease may not wipe us all out. there cannot be any doubt that certain races (i am really happy with the term) are equipped differently when it comes to resistance to disease - a product of diverging evolutionary pathways as we separate and head in different directions... geographical separation. (my emphasis)
I'm not 'happy' with the term since the implications of it are unsupported and other, less loaded, terms are more factually accurate. No one is denying that different ethnic groups exist, but no one has yet shown these amount to separate 'races' of the species homo sapiens. 'Geographical separation' has been a factor in the past as well, and still is for some groups through reasons of either remoteness (Amazonian jungles) or choice (Japan). Though 'remoteness' is not always necessary to produce 'separation' - the Old Order Amish are a self-selected breeding group living within a much larger population.
Does that mean each Amazonian tribe is a separate 'race'? They're collectively a separate 'race' even though they don't seem to have mixed with each other for very long periods of their 'separation'? The Japanese are a 'race'? The Old Order Amish are a 'race'?
If one tries to answer the above questions one is led to the conclusion that a (taxonomically precise) definition of 'race' is required. One then encounters the difficulty that either no grouping of homo sapiens fits it, or so many do that one is forced to conclude that every family is a separate race.
Both conclusions are obviously nonsensical and meaningless.
lets get over any queasiness about race. it is a very different thing from racism. speciation is a difficult subject in very closely related 'species'... at what point does a species become distinct? the high school answer is when they cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring - well sure, simple enough but nothing is actually ever that simple. i know bats and badgers cannot interbreed but consider the arctic herring gull.... starting from greenland, working west, there are, if you like,a number of herring gull races, each slightly different as you head round the arctic circle. each is fertile and viable with its neighbour and perhaps with the neighbour's neighbour until you get all the way round to norway... then the norwegian and greenland gulls cannot produce viable offspring - yet they are related all the way back round the circle...
The historical willingness to divide up animal species using dubious labels is not a good reason to extend the practice, considering that we now know, and can know, much more about the minutiae, and significance, of 'difference'.
Gulls (or 'breeds' of dogs, cows, sheep, etc etc) are not people. Isolated populations of salamander living in remote pockets of water along ancient creek beds are not people. None of these analogues are truly analogous, for various different reasons, to the biological reality of being human.
the nonsense about blacks being somehow inferior smacks of ignorance beyond belief.
It certainly does, on more than one level, since no definition of what a 'black' is is generally offered.
'I-know-one-when-I-see-one' isn't a valid criteria in science, which is what is required for a division of homo sapiens, first into sub-species, then into 'races' below that level.
Considering the above then - how does one go about defining a 'black'?
Have a look at these families and apply your definition of 'black' as an aid to spotting which of them are -
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/my-million-to-one-black-and-white-twins-234667
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/black-white-twins.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123050/Look-The-black-white-twins-turn-seven.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4043735/Couple-defy-odds-with-second-pair-of-black-and-white-twins.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1197836/Pictured-The-mixed-race-couple-rainbow-children.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311533/Black-white-twins-Sisters-Marcia-Millie-Biggs-set-day-school.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1037455/Pictured-The-black-white-British-twins-born-odds-million-one.html
Further to that ^^^ point, if 'black' is a 'race', how can it be conveniently or meaningfully defined to include Pacific Islanders, Australian Aboriginals, Southern, Eastern, Western, and Northern Africans, people from the Caribbean, some Southern Europeans, some South American indigenous people, etc etc along with the children of any two people from either of these groups or children from any of these groups plus a 'white' person (whatever that is) from any of the geographic locations where 'whites' live?
...unless you are an askenasi jew, you, like me, are not one of the most intelligent 'race' on earth.
Once again, the fact that there are significant numbers of Ashkenazi Jews who are of average or low intelligence (as measured by IQ) combined with the fact there are significant numbers of non-Ashkenazi Jews who are of high or exceptional intelligence (as measured by IQ), makes classifying a 'race' by IQ fraught with difficulty.
One might end up concluding that significant numbers of 'Asians' are really Ashkenazi Jews.
of course there are races - but there is no such thing as a master race. if there was, it certainly would not be that white race that sometimes thinks it is...
This ^^^, without supporting evidence, is a series of non-sequitur's.
What exactly are the defining characteristics of the 'white' race? Where are the geographical, and what are genetic borders, that define this alleged 'white' race?
Does it include Basques? Inuit? Seventh generation Maori/Pakeha children?
Recall that 'I-know-one-when-I-see-one' isn't a taxonomically valid criteria for defining such things. Nor is the ability to run fast or do well at individual regional sports.
The fact is we all descend from a group of homo sapiens that migrated out of Africa within the last 70,000 years or so. It is therefore possible to create a genetic genealogy for every individual alive today and demonstrate we all are related to each other.
The Genetics of Humanness: Ed Green - The Neandertal and Denisovan Genomes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP2_fGKHExk
From 8.20 minutes/seconds to about 11.03 minutes/seconds listen closely to what Ed Green says. He doesn't mention 'race' at all but he explodes the concept nonetheless as he describes the human (homo sapiens) genetic mosaic.
He first (briefly) explains genetics and inheritance and points out that only 30 generations ago, which according to him is about the middle ages, we all will have had more ancestors than there were people alive. What that means, in his words, is that "...you coalesce with every other person on the planet you might imagine at some point on your genome".
He also says, within the time frame referred to above - between 8 and 11 minutes, that -
"...it turns out that you can reconstruct genealogies of any particular haplotype, any particular region in our genome, amongst all people who are alive today. And... in some sense this must be true, there must be this genealogy that unites everyone, you can take any two people (in this room), find the haplotype at some place in their genome and find the time that they had a common ancestor".
So, "Are Caucasians Descendants of Arabs"? Presumably some are, just as some 'Arabs' are descendants of 'Caucasians'. There is no place for erroneously divisive concepts of 'race' in the mosaic that describes the genetic history of homo sapiens. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 11:00:47 PM | Ballard, isn't there a Klan meeting you should be attending or something? Listening to people like you makes me wish you were right. Saying you are an entirely different species than me might make me sleep better at night. Sadly that isn't the case.
Our species is homo sapiens sapiens and it includes everyone from Inuit hunters to Masai warriors to naked Swedish volleyball players. Humans have the ability to adapt to their surroundings which is why we have successfully infiltrated every part of the globe. Populations that spend time in a particular environment develop resistances to diseases and such in the region. This is natural selection and evolution at work. This is not evidence that any one group is somehow less or more of a homo sapiens sapiens. We are not "evolving" into different species, we are adapting as a species together with all of our strengths and weaknesses.
The syphilis thing isn't nearly as clear cut as some would think either. Anthropology, more specifically archaeology, shows us that syphilis was already in the Old World long before Columbus sailed to the Americas. Science has no conclusion on this question because we don't have enough evidence to say where this disease developed and when. It's being looked into as we speak. What we already know is that syphilis comes in different forms, only one of which is sexually transmitted. Skeletal remains turn up all over the place with hallmark indications of the damage this disease does to it's host.
I strongly encourage Ballard to go and get a DNA analysis done so he can see the evidence of what I'm saying for himself. You will find Native American, African, Asian and all sorts of other wonderful things in there. What you will not find is "pure" anything at all. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 2:44:25 AM | i am happy to concede on syphillis.
on race vs ethnicity - i think we are on terminology here - i have no difficulty with either and regard the words as completely interchangeable.
we haven't evolved into different species and my suspicion is that we are a very very long way from such a divide, however prior to global migration, i would argue that separation and adaptation to different environments is exactly the sort of circumstance that does promote divergence leading to speciation - darwin's finches, eskimo and aboriginal...
we are definitely evolving. nothing stands still. we are not exactly the same animal we were 200,000 years ago. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 4:39:44 AM |
Wimpy replies and mangled attempts to thwart the impact of reality has reached pathetic levels. Reads like the effusions from clapped-out Kumbayaists sitting around a coffeehouse trying to appear intellectual.
Translation ^^^ - No I can't back up any of the claims I make so I'll babble irrelevantly instead. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 11:19:13 AM | | come off the fence, mr ballard - what exactly are you trying so hard to say? what's your position here? in black and white, what is it? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:15:22 AM |
That will transfer into violent social instability.
Somehow, I get the impression that nothing would please you more. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:18:10 AM |
Blacks are a problem population, here, there, and everywhere. Central African IQ average 75, total instability as in
Haiti. Solutions? The only hope for the Black community is for real leaders to appear. No more preachers, activists, etc. Problem is that jobs paying decent wages for low-ability types have vanished. No shipyards, no steelmills.
Doomed unless a radical type of Black leadership arises to pound sense and rules into the community. Better yet
would be a Black Authority to "cleanse" the hood. Would have extraordinary police powers. Not gonna happen yet.
Then we have the flooding of America by third-worlders who naturally take advantage of set-aside contractiong programs established initally for Blacks.
Any suggestions? Take economists aside and privately it's doom and gloom. That will transfer into violent social
instability.
Caucasians are a population problem here, there, everywhere. In spite of free education in most of their nations, they can only average an IQ of 100 or slightly less - relying on the indians and asians and ashkenazi jew minority populations in their midst to bring the average up to - well...the average (ergo, 100). They have been at war with themselves and everyone else for millenia and have brought death and destruction wherever they have landed. Well paid low skill jobs have either vanished or been taken by harder working immigrants.
They have treated everyone else as inferior and subjugated most of them for the last few hundred years through occupation, direct and indirect rule, and hugely unfair trading terms.
Fortunately, we, the chinese, have had civilisation from before they in the west had crawled out from nomadic bronze age shepherding. We have a confucian system of governance that allows our rulers to rule unimpeded provided they look after their population and if they do that, we let them get on with it and they let us get on with our business... democracy is not all it is cracked up to be. fortunately we have avoided the nonsense of religiosity and we dont need preachers and bishops to tell us truths that are downright lies.
fortunately our economy is in surplus and growing, and we have looked after our own diaspora without seeking to impose our will around the world like we somehow own the whole damn thing.
if only the caucasians would realise the rest of the world doesn't owe them a living, a flat screen telly and all the fattening food they can eat.
when the caucasians become the next third worlders, how should we treat them and their businesses when they seek to take unearned advantage of our prudence and hard work? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:33:53 AM | @ ballard3240
Blacks are a problem population, here, there, and everywhere. Central African IQ average 75, total instability as in Haiti. Solutions? The only hope for the Black community is for real leaders to appear. No more preachers, activists, etc. Problem is that jobs paying decent wages for low-ability types have vanished. No shipyards, no steelmills.
Doomed unless a radical type of Black leadership arises to pound sense and rules into the community. Better yet
would be a Black Authority to "cleanse" the hood. Would have extraordinary police powers. Not gonna happen yet.
There are too many unstated assumptions with respect to your position on blacks. In the first place, IQ is no indicator of stability within the appropriate social context. Were it so, the only "stable" species on the planet would be perhaps half of the human race and maybe the porpoises, who, owing to their brain volume & complexity are arguably more intelligent than we are (and definitely more "stable" as a species). I think you are assessing central africans & Haitians against white European social structure. Obviously this would be a bad fit, as the socially biased IQ scores would indicate.
Notwithstanding the disadvantage in the cultural setting that has been thrust upon them through colonialism, black leaders have arisen who are entirely competent to lead people even by European standards. Martin Luther King stands as an excellent example of black leadership. In terms of political leaders, in Haiti in particular, there have been great ones, but the imperialist/colonialist mindset (foreign policy) of countries like France, The US and Canada virtually assures that competent leadership will be toppled in favour of corrupt puppets of the conquering regime. A perfect example was the ouster of Aristide in a multinational coup plotted and executed by Canada, France and the US in 2004.
You will never have a "stable" population of slaves, black or otherwise, because even those with a 75 IQ will be well aware of the injustice done to them and resent it to the point of armed rebellion, which is bound to occur sooner or later.
We could end such social instability in an instant if the political will existed to simply respect the sovereignty of foreign nations and treat everyone everywhere as equals under the law. A good start on social justice might be achieved by leaving africa to the africans and Haiti to the Haitians, as opposed to sticking our imperialistic/neo-colonial noses where they don't belong. In fact, that policy should apply to everyone ("Arabs" & Muslim countries included), not just blacks. That would be my suggestion anyway. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 9:56:56 AM |
Guess who has the brains, the money, and the weapons?
My guess would be the people who brought them here for the purpose of dividing and conquering the people already living here. Am I right? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:25:19 PM |
Race war is so much better then the rot-down engendered by a flood of third worlders. Guess who has the brains, the money, and the weapons?
Not you, on all counts. The worst "rot" of all is willful ignorance and hatred.
Ballard, you have taken up enough of my time. Your desperate need to get attention is tiresome. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:06:25 PM | | ballard3240 your brain is rotted and so are the people who think like you. You are full of hatred and you are a disgusting low down human being with no self worth. I dont care what you say about the black community and the problems we have, we get through it all. You couldnt handle an ounce of what people of color have had to deal with at the hands of people like you. You havent done anything in this world. No contribution except the pollution coming out of your sour mouth. What I dont get is since you feel you have the brains, the money, and the weapons, why do you spend so much time worrying about our black asses? Why do you care so much about us and keep spending so much time on people you feel are inferior to you? You sound insecure and afraid. You are a weak human being and I hope you get all thats coming to you. You lousy bigot. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 7:04:29 PM | | Simple, Ballard... A plan that suits your master race desires.... Eliminate all races except the brightest, the one with the highest average IQ... So you and me can kiss our Caucasian arses goodbye because it isn't us. | |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:15:29 PM | Pathetic wimps & gimps? Now there's a truly bright, rational and unemotional response! When one resorts to ad hominem labelling of his opponents, it is because he is unable to support his argument and has already lost the debate.
Sorry ballard…You lost, but thank you for your participation. | |
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