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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 12:15:38 AM | I've got a POF bouquet of flowers to bet (what's that? 90 points?) that says we get an Obama-Edwards ticket? 
Any takers wagering for a different ticket?  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 7:21:50 AM | ^^ I'll take that wager Vyper (but you can keep the bouquet  )
I still see a Clinton/Obama ticket as the most likely possibility.
Clinton IS going to win the popular vote when everything is said and done.
I don't know how closely you've all been following the news, but Obama is in deep do-do.
Like it or not, this race WILL be decided by the super-delegates. Neither candidate will get the 2,025 needed without them. Most supers are waiting for the end of this election to see who's on top and the popular vote is THE number one thing they are going to look at. Also for consideration is who has momentum, and who can best beat McCain.
An Obama limping to the finish line meets none of the above... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 7:53:31 AM | That's a fair bet, Deagle.
I have been following the news, but I'm not sure just yet how deep that doo-doo will ultimately prove to be. I AM, however, in complete agreement with Nancy Pelosi who says -- categorically and unequivocally (to borrow a phrase from Clarence Thomas) -- that there is NO CHANCE of either a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket. And I agree with you, as well that this race will be decided by the superdelegates, but with a dozen contests left to go, and Clinton trailing in ALL the vote measures (popular and otherwise), going into the final stretch, I'm less confident than you that the supes will -- by and large -- vote against their constituents. Moreover, I'm a little reticent to hold that Clinton's (what?) three or four out victories out of the last sixteen or so contests qualifies as "momentum," but admittedly, I'm no superdelelgate.
So I guess we will have to wait and see how much "limping" Obama ends up doing to cross the finish line in this contest. 
Bear Stearns at $2 a share?!!! Is Lehman Brothers next?!! Heather Mills gets 50 Mil??! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:14:35 AM | ....contrary to what the Dem voters think, Edwards is not stupid.......he not just gonna end up being either Hillary's or Obama's puppy on the ticket without first hearing some serious proposals from each camp.............for all we know, he may not be interested in it at all given what happened in 04'
edwards is biding his time......he's outta the race, there is nothing else for him to do except to officially give his endorsement to either Hillary or Obama......and that is gonna depend on what happens in the upcoming primaries and also how the "rev Wright" issue will affect Obama in the general election!!!........so even if Obama gets the nomination by the Dems, i'm sure Edwards isn't gonna jump on board a "ship that is taking in water".....i'm sure he doesn't want a deja-vu of 04................i think he'll be playing it cool, waiting for them to come to him.........and his endorsement won't be cheap! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:28:29 AM | Obama and Hillary have already been coming to Edwards to talk. Both candidates have had several meetings with him since he dropped out. The early reports are that Edwards is leaning toward Obama.
Hillary is losing John Edwards' endorsement because the Clintons snubbed the Kerry/Edwards ticket in '04. No one has forgotten about that. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:41:03 AM | | Richardson is making more pro-Obama noises than Edwards. I still think he's the most likely running mate. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/17/2008 9:56:53 AM | | The simple answer is she has a ball and chain tied to her leg call Bill (slick Willy) | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/18/2008 7:37:26 AM | | I think you may have a point Halftimedad as that approach might help him get a greater Latino vote. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/19/2008 9:21:09 PM | ......richardson would be a lame running mate, he is as bland as you can get...he excites no one, and his views are not in line with Obama's...........even if he draws more latino votes, at what expense is that gonna be!
...i'm sure richardson would jump at the chance, but he'd take it even if hillary offered it as well....................he won't carry the same weight as edwards would. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing? She's not
Posted: 3/19/2008 11:48:30 PM | I've been watching these things for a long time.
This is the Corporately funded DNC insiders and DLC (pseudo-centrists) founded by Hillary Rodham Clinton aided by the Corporate Media.... deanscreaming, moonbeaming and marginalizing ANY candidate that doesn't take ALL THE MONEY.
Clinton takes ALL the money. Obama takes NONE of it.
This is not a desperate GRAB for power on Clinton's part. They already HAVE THE POWER. Isn't it mysterious that no resolute opposition to the Bush Junta has been mustered in the so called "opposition party?" Well, it's NO mystery. They have the same paymasters as the Republican Party... period. They're job is to lie to us. Why is Clinton's voting record in direct opposition to her current campaign platform? It's because she's lying.
Now, get ready.... they are going to do ANYTHING, anyTHING, to not lose their iron grip on the controls of our government.
Obama is a mild progressive at best. He's a realist. In this climate he can only go so far off the traditional track to even get THIS FAR in his campaign. But THEY, think of him as a LOOSE CANNON.
He wouldn't take the money and he WILL BE STOPPED, one way or another. Mark my words. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing? She's not
Posted: 3/20/2008 4:00:17 PM |
Isn't it mysterious that no resolute opposition to the Bush Junta has been mustered in the so called "opposition party?" Well, it's NO mystery. They have the same paymasters as the Republican Party... period. They're job is to lie to us. Why is Clinton's voting record in direct opposition to her current campaign platform? It's because she's lying.
Quoted for truth. Somebody show me a REAL difference between the two supposedly opposing parties. I'm not talking about what they say, I'm talking about what they DO, what they DON'T DO, what they support and how they vote.
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
There's only 1 party in Washington, and most Americans are suckers who prefer rhetoric and false controversies (is Obama's preacher a racist? Is McCain an old fart? Are Hillary's ankles too fat?) to looking at REAL issues (like the continual de-valuation of the dollar by the Fed.)  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing? She's not
Posted: 3/20/2008 4:31:56 PM | | Who says Obama is not taking the money? His press corps? George Soros will buy either Hillary or Barack. For Soros to write a 100 million dollar check to his favorite candidate is like you buying a value meal at Mc Donalds. Obama has not reacted to Mc Cains request that both stick to the government set amount for campaign funding. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing? She's not
Posted: 3/21/2008 12:12:19 AM | EVERYONE says Obama is not taking the money, Trapper! Rest assured, if he were, he would've been dimed out by now!
But he isn't content just not taking the money, he also has advanced reform to campaign ethics and finance rules:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082101420.html?nav=rss_opinions
Put THAT in your browser and click it!! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing? She's not
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:15:30 AM | Hillary's essentially lost, almost, unless a miracle occurs.
Her only two hopes now are for the Florida and Michigan re-votes (almost impossible) or the super delegates.
To actually win in base delegates, she'd have to get two thirds of all delegates in all the remaining primaries. That's not going to be very likely.
CNN estimates that Obama has 1,413 pledged delegates and 208 superdelegates for a total of 1,621. Clinton has 1,242 pledged delegates and 237 superdelegates, a total of 1,479. A candidate must have 2,024 delegates to win the Democratic nomination.
Another question that arises: Can she overtake Obama's lead in popular votes?
In the primaries and caucuses to date, Obama has garnered about 700,000 more popular votes than Clinton.
CNN estimates that about 6 million more people are likely to vote. To overcome Obama's lead, Clinton would have to get 56 percent of those votes.
So how tough will that be? In the 28 primaries in February and March, when the Democratic contest became a two-candidate race, Clinton averaged 46 percent.
She's received 56 percent or more in only four states: Massachusetts, Rhode Island and her current and former home states, New York and Arkansas.
The next state to vote is Pennsylvania on April 22, where CNN's poll of polls shows Clinton leading Obama by 13 percentage points. If you look only at decided voters, Clinton gets just over 56 percent.
West Virginia and Kentucky are heavily rural states with many lower-income voters, which could be good for Clinton, who has done well with similar voters in Ohio and Texas.
Indiana appears to be more of a battleground. Many Indiana voters get their information from media out of Chicago, in Obama's home state of Illinois. The state holds its primary May 6.
North Carolina, with its large African-American population and swath of upscale voters, is Obama's most promising state. Its primary is May 8.
Obama may also do well in Oregon's May 20 primary. The Illinois senator has generally done well in Western states where the traditional Democratic base is small.
If Michigan and Florida were to redo their primaries, Clinton would need to carry 53 percent of the remaining voters.
But even that won't be easy. She's gotten at least 53 percent of the vote in only eight of the 28 primaries since Super Tuesday.
The Clinton campaign has pushed for the votes in Florida and Michigan to count, which could help her catch up in pledged delegates. But Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, and both sides agreed not to campaign in the two states.
On Thursday, Michigan's Senate adjourned without reaching an agreement to schedule a new Democratic primary for June 3.
The Legislature is on recess for two weeks, and by the time lawmakers return, it will probably be too late to approve and organize a new vote.
Clinton and Obama also would have to sign off on the plan. Obama's camp had expressed concern with the proposal, and Clinton blamed him for holding up the re-vote.
Michigan and Florida held primaries in January, but the Democratic National Committee stripped them of their delegates for scheduling their contests too early.
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The ultimate decision now could very well rest with the superdelegates: the 800 or so Democratic elected officials, party leaders and other officials.
But the superdelegates are likely to pay a lot of attention to who's ahead in the popular vote and in pledged delegates, a fact that could ultimately help Obama surge to winning the party's nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/20/schneider.look.ahead/index.html
If a back room decision gives her the nomination - the party will fracture, in a tough election year.
To quote a line from a movie I like, that sums all this up, I can picture Obama looking up from his chess match with Hillary, and saying :
You've lost. You just don't know it.
I've lost? Look at the board.
I have.
"Searching for Bobby Fischer "
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| Why is Hillary losing? She's not
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:29:07 AM | | maybe its just the fact that she sucks, maybe its the fact the true independent thinkers dont buy th experence crap she strying to play, i mean should we elect nacy regan, barb bush, or any other first lady. just because you sleep with the president does not make u worthy of being president, besides by that theroy i think monica lewinski would have a case for running then. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing? (She's still losing.) ;)
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:43:15 AM | "I was named after Sir Edmund Hilary"
----Hillary Clinton
Another obvious Hillary lie. Hillary Clinton said that her mother named her Hillary (and with two "l’s”) after Sir Edmund Hilary the climber. That would be impossible, because Sir Edmund Hilary didn't make news climbing anything until 5 years AFTER Clinton was born. Hillary Clinton later admitted on a national news program that her original statement wasn’t true. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:46:44 AM | I think because most people, even if they're not sure how to phrase it, know she's probably a sociopath to some degree. I'm a woman and don't care one whit wether the president is male, female, purple, yellow or likes to knit. They need to be superior leaders with fantastic diplomatic strenths (the current president is not either of these things ), have a deep love of liberty for ALL, and if they surf, even better
If Hillary weren't the POLITICIAN that she is, if she had kicked Bill to the curb years ago, if she demonstrated any true integrity at all in her entire career...I would consider her for more than a minute. And that holds true for any men running as well. But I think the Clintons are two of the most vile politicians to have come down the history pike in quite a while. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 11:00:03 AM |
Why is Hillary losing? Might it have to do with the fact her voice is excrutiatingly grating? I'd rather hear fingernails on the blackboard. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:34:57 PM | Well, at first Hillary accepts the DNC ruling on the primaries in Florida and Michigan - as does Obama. Everyone goes on with their campaigns, and their lives.
Then , when she's behind in the race, the scales fall from her eyes on the road to Damascus ...I mean the White House.... and she now strongly defends the rights of the voters in those states to participate in the democratic process. 
Hillary now :
"I have, as the Democratic National Committee has, come out in favor of any effort to re-vote in Michigan," I do not understand what Sen. Obama is afraid of."
Hillary a while ago :
“The results of those primaries were fair and they should be honored. In my view there are two options: Honor the results or hold new primary elections. I don’t see any other solutions that are fair and honor the commitment that two and a half million voters made in the Democratic primaries in those two states.”
Pretty fair, I guess, when your opponent's name wasn't even on one of the ballots. But ....we will redo that vote, the one that should have been honoured (even though the DNC ruled it didn't count, and both candidates agreed) simply because....well..... it's even more honorable.
Hillary at the start of it all ?
“Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar... Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.”
That's the pledge she and Obama both signed.
Why did she go back on her word, and when ?
As soon as she feel behind in the race, and needed every delegate she could get.
Tells you a lot about her character, when she won't even play by the rules she signed off on initially , then claims the initial vote must count, then even says it should be redone.
Even better, she's got the nerve to point the finger at Obama and ask him what he's afraid of.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaah !  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:51:28 PM | | Hillary is a terrible woman that is why. She is crude and dispicable. A ruthless woman who takes any advantage she can no matter how unethical it may be. I doubt Obama has kind words for her but he isn't saying it. Who wants a nasty woman in office??? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:57:04 PM | Here's another reason for concern.....with all that experience.
Hillary Clinton, March 17:
I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.
There's actually a videotape of her visit there....and it's a bit different than Hillary's imagination.... I mean memory of the event.
Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs, March 21:
Numerous reporters, including the Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her [1996 Bosnia] trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the First Lady. "As a former AP wire service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," said Pomfret. According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996, and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.
Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An eight-year-old Moslem girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, above, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss....
The First Lady's schedule, released on Wednesday and available here, confirms that she arrived in Tuzla at 8.45 a.m. and was greeted by various dignitaries, including Emina Bicakcic, (whose name has mysteriously been redacted from the document.) You can see CBS News footage of the arrival ceremony here. The footage shows Clinton walking calmly out of the back of the C-17 military transport plane that brought her from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/03/21/the-walter-mitty-candidate.aspx
Rather amazing that she can remember something so vividly, that never even happened.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 2:06:42 PM | | Obama has won only one major blue state: Illinois, his home state. If the Democrats pick him, McCain will be the next President. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 4:45:21 PM |
Obama has won only one major blue state: Illinois, his home state. If the Democrats pick him, McCain will be the next President.
-nodding at Tory-
I've already wrapped my head around the fact that McCain will be the next president of the United States. I did this quite sometime ago. I could see the writing on the wall when things went so divisive between the Clinton supporters and the Obama supporters. That divide will be such an insurmountable chasm by November that there will be no bridge able to be errected that can cross it. Add the Obama/Wright scandal onto that and it's a foregone conclusion that the next president of the United States will be John McCain.
At this point, with the disenfranchised Florida and Michigan voters and the number of delegates Hillary is behind, she's history. The only thing that will change that is if the super delegates realize at the last minute that Obama is a sure loss for the Democratic party. If they don't, we're apparently stuck with him as the nominee. This unfortunate fact guarantees us John McCain for the next four years. Why? Because no one is going to forget the Wright scandal. That will come up again in everyone's mind over and over again, because it's just not something one can easily forget. The Republicans will also make sure that we don't forget. Then you'll have the other half of the Democratic party, (Hillary's half), thoroughly pissed off anyway, who will either stay at home or vote for McCain.
I've decided to go ahead and have a good attitude about McCain and find reasons to accept McCain within my own mind. I can clearly see the writing on the wall. And after having watched this whole maddening debaucle go on, I've seriously lost alot of faith in the Democratic party anyway. It really is going around and around just chasing its own tail. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 4:51:28 PM | ^^We're going to start seeing Hillary's supporters throwing her under the bus in rapid succession now. At this rate, she'll have few left by the Pennsylvania primary.
That's another reason she's losing-------fair-weather friends. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/21/2008 4:57:01 PM | There's no throwing her under the bus here, Spitfire. She's got little chance after the disenfranchised voter debaucle. The only chance she has left is if the super delegates come to their senses, which they still might and I am still hoping for; however, let's face it, even if they choose Hillary there still won't be enough votes in November to tilt her to victory over McCain because the Obama people will rebel and stay home.
Either way you dice it, you are left with one irrefutable fact:
McCain wins. | |
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