| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:58:57 PM | | as a democrat, i have to say . i country never vote for hilary clinton . or obama. first go ahead call me a women hater its fine with me, for obama, all i have seen from him is alot of talk. nothing more.i think i will have to vote for mccain. even throu i,m not for iraq war. but i would vote for mccain out of respect. god nos the man has suffer enought. unlike bush or cheney. mccain nos what fighting a war is like. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/24/2008 9:13:01 PM | Hillary's trip to Bosnia in 1996:
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport; but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
----Hillary Clinton
Another Hillary lie which has been refuted by Andrea Mitchell, Sharyl Atkisson, Sinbad, and a host of other media figures who were on the same Bosnia flight as Hillary was. Hillary repeated the lies concerning the Bosnia trip just last week.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/24/eveningnews/main3964921.shtml | |
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mj999
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 6:00:15 AM | | Forget about what others said about the trip; last night CNN showed the actual video of her arrival, with her daughter by her side....all looked pretty civil and safe, they certainly weren't running anywhere from any fire.... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 6:41:43 AM | | Two things that struck me about the Bosnia trip... Hillary says she went because it was too dangerous for Bill to go (He had already went before there was relative peace as there was when she went), but his wife and DAUGHTER could go. What kind of a serious national mission would involve taking your pre-teen daughter anyway? Then I wondered if on the plane on which they arrived, if Sinbad and Sheryl Crow had to move to the****it to avoid sniper fire or if they were left back in coach with their tiny bag of nuts and a Fresca. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 7:28:53 AM | Here's the link to her saying *gasp* how harrowing it was, and actually having someone collaborate it. And then you get to see what really happened.
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/bald-faced-lie/
Itechman, Ms.Crow and Sinbad were left in coach. | |
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mj999
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Joined: 10/28/2007
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 8:14:06 AM | Itechman said: "What kind of a serious national (AND DANGEROUS) mission would involve taking your pre-teen daughter anyway?". Exactly, that is why I mentioned her daughter in my prior post!.
Thanks for the link VioletSkye.
Let's give her a break...must have been jet-lag.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 12:33:46 PM |  I like Hillary, but it's all so funny how she got herself caught out there big time like that. SURELY, she had to know with all that media out there that that arrival was on film somewhere! To see her tell that story of " ... sniper fire ..." and then see her holding a bouquet of flowers, having poems read to her, etc. was just a shame. I felt like "good grief, Hill!!!"
I wonder whose idea it was for her to "embellish" the story of the circumstances of her arrival? I doubt it was hers, and I can't even see what "gain" she would've gotten from it, were it believed. It's not like "running from the aircraft to the car" constitutes any sort of "experience," "qualification" or "judgment" that makes her better equipped to run a nation.
Then of course there's the release of the eleven thousand pages of her White House records that were supposed to back up her claims of the volumes of foreign policy experience she has, but they (surprisingly?) showed little more than typical "first lady" trips, functions and events that she participated in, rather than any meetings with heads of state or other policy-making officials.
Now, I'd reiterate that I believe Hillary to be as well-equipped and capable to be our president as anyone ever is, but I question her judgment in the decision to "fluff" her already respectable legislative and public service record with the "misstatements" (sounds kinda Enron-ish or Worldcom-ish to me) that she has in her effort to win the Democratic nomination. It doesn't do much to advance her appearance of credibility, honesty, or integrity. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 12:48:02 PM | | Hillary is competing for the Idiot vote. It's definitely out there. I'm figuring she thinks if she employs BS election strategies, she'll win more undecided votes than she will lose votes already committed to her. This is probably true. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 1:17:06 PM | Now she's desperately trying to restart the drumbeat about Obama's reverend issue to get attention off her big ol' lie...
And I do think it was a lie... cause when did she EVER run out a plane under sniper fire? That whole scenario she so breathlessly described NEVER happened... it's a complete fabrication... like a lot of her so called 'experience'...
Unless by 'experience' she means her nutty life-long AMBITION to be be president... no matter what... no matter how... no matter why. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 1:24:17 PM | It's the Clinton psychology of public relations. Lie until your caught then when you're caught blame it on somebody else and if all else fails ask for the definition of "is" while you sneak out the back.
She could have presented actual examples of what experience she really had and discuss why the experience she really has makes her most qualified. Following the same tactics she and her husband have always used, she calculated that because she is a well known public figure who was married to a President that all she has to do is say "Experience" and at least half of the people will take her at her word that she has it.
I doubt there are any 3am luncheons requiring her to answer the red phone at any time in the near future. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 1:38:28 PM | Yeah, during one of those video clips of her retelling the story of her Bosnian arrival, she quickly remarks in passing to someone standing near her "and you'll remember this," as though the guy was by her side as she ran for cover. 
I just think it was a very unnecessary tactical faux pas.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 3:38:52 PM | | Bikeman pretty much has it nailed down -- Hillary is losing because she is competing for the idiot vote. I remember back in February one of the news stations analyzing her decline in popularity stating (paraphrased) "Clinton is beginning to lose the confidence of one of her core demographics, the poor and under-educated." This comment was made in all seriousness at the time, but somehow has been squelched in the media since. There are apparently die hard Clinton supporters that will give her a pass on this (Bill lies about sex, she lies about reality, no biggie.) It's not that people were there to witness the lie, it's that she feels the need to lie in the first place (I don't see that going over very well with foreign diplomatic relations.) If you watch the video -- her rememberance of the event (the way she told it) was very passionate -- she was convinced those things had actually happenned. That is why she is losing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 3:48:06 PM | I loved the headline I saw today "Clinton's credibility questioned after error (HA!) on Bosnia story'. What? The subpoenaed billing records she knew nothing about that should never have been out of Rose Law's possession later showing up in her closet didn't do that?
See the formula at work? Lie until you're caught (sniper fire in Bosnia) then when you're caught (video of a calm and relaxed ceremony) blame somebody else or ask for the definition of "is" (Remember that Rev. Wright thing?) while you sneak out the back.
You can apply this to everything from "I didn't inhale" to present day. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 9:36:31 PM | In reference to Hilary's experience...I heard some one say "Perhaps Laura and Barbara Bush should also run for President in November. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/25/2008 9:54:07 PM | | Her lie about the Bosnian snipers shooting at her is why she is losing. She was lieing and didn't expect anyone to look into it because Bosnia was a war zone at the time. Arrogant and stupid, she should have divorced her cheating husband, but instead chose to support him because she wants power and knew he'd help her to get it. I don't understand why any woman has any kind of respect for her whatsoever. Man I can't stand her. She's the perfect example of what is wrong with American politicians. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 12:11:25 AM | | Gotta like how Hillary finally jumped onto the anti-Rev. Wright bandwagon after weeks of maintaining a noncommittal stance. Hey...anything to get the heat off of her Bosnia lie is fair game. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 8:18:54 AM | Random Superhero, she never had my respect and I've never liked her. She's crass and slimey. She also thinks she has a sense of entitlement because of her husband being president and thinking that her being first lady is what has given her so much 'experience'. Not.
She's all about Hillary and whatever it takes to get her where she wants to go. I don't know any woman with any amount of self-respect that would have stayed after the public humiliation of the numerous affairs her husband had unless it was for ulterior motives. And, that's exactly what it's turned out to be. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 8:37:07 AM | I don't know any woman with any amount of self-respect that would have stayed after the public humiliation of the numerous affairs her husband had unless it was for ulterior motives. Maybe it had something to do with William Jefferson Clinton being a dynamic, intelligent, charismatic, likeable individual? Let alone him being the most powerful man in the United States? Let alone she might actually LOVE him despite his failings? Or maybe she is able to forgive people? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 8:44:05 AM | Hillary has many flaws, but staying in the marriage isn't one of them. It's not necessarily a bad thing to forgive a spouse for infidelity if she really loves him. Remember, this woman was willing to move to Arkansas with him after law school when she genuinely thought that Arkansas was a back-woods shithole. That's love.
Hillary's loyalty to Bill is not one of the reasons she's losing the Democrat nomination. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 8:59:32 AM | | Bikeman...forgiving a misgiving or mistake once is one thing, many times is foolish. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 9:46:00 AM | I'll bet you Hillary has FORGIVEN but definitely not FORGOTTEN.
True Slick Willie seemed to be doing lots of cheating. Look I don't personally know Bill or Hillary so I can't speak for either regarding the quality of their marriage.
I think there are bigger reasons to have concerns about Hillary's qualifications to be president. In my opinion her current marital status isn't one of those concerns. I've got more of a concern with her propensity to "wet her finger to see which way the wind is blowing". She very closely resembles her spouse in this quality. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 9:48:55 AM | My thing is that I always figured that Bill is the one who entered the marriage for gain than it is the other way around. Hillary was always better connected and more respected than was Bill and without her I doubt he would ever have actually become even a Governor let alone the President. Why would you enter a marriage when as was pointed out by their friends in a campaign for Governor that some of the staff were "lookouts" to alert when Hillary was coming so they could get Bill's girlfriends out the back door as she came in the front? I don't know, maybe some people just get off on the thrill of cheating specifically.
I actually believe that she could have made her way to a certain esteem in public office without Bill. I don't believe the same for him without Hillary. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 10:21:15 AM | According to the latest Philly Inquirer poll, Clinton has a sixteen point lead in PA over the empty suit from Illinois.
West Virginia and Kentucky are leaning in her favour and Indiana is now too close to call. It looks like Barack Hussein Obama will head to Denver with only one major Blue State victory, and the party of Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis will demonstrate why they are own worst enemies. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 10:52:26 AM | The "blue state" argument pretty much says it all right there. They are states known to be establishment Democrat states. The translation of 'establishment' Democrats is they feel safer voting for raisins than they do grapes. But the "blue states" would vote for Pee Wee Herman if he ran on the ticket in November. Whoever the Democrat is that runs in those states, carries those states in November. That's a moot argument.
She's done. Richardson going over to Obama AFTER the Rev. Wright media play should say it all with regards to where the superdelegates are going to side. When Pennsylvania and North Carolina are done and it's seen that she has after the two primaries fallen farther behind, she will be pressured to walk away. She needs to sway the Superdelegates with empty claims and they DO NOT want to go to Denver with the pressure on them. She'll be told by the Superdelegates that they will support Obama at that time to save themselves. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/26/2008 12:03:34 PM | It's going to come down to Ohio again. Hillary did better there and I don't think it's automatic that everyone who supported her will vote for Obama.
Obama's doing well in a lot of states that are going to remain Red States in the general election. A vote for the Empty Suit is a vote for John McCain. | |
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