| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 6:16:03 AM | I agree that it was a tasteless question posed to Chelsea, however, she should have expected and/or have been prepared for it. She could have declined to answer it in a polite manner or given a more appropriate political response, instead she gave a rude answer that I don't believe scored points for her mother, in fact, what became the story was not so much the question, but rather her answer.
I agree with the belief of some that if she is willing to campaign for the person running for the highest office and willing to answer questions from an audience, she should also be giving the same courtesy to the press. I do not understand why she refuses to talk to them, the woman is 28, not a child anymore and should not be running from them...it reminds me she did not even answer a question from a 9 year old working for the press a few months back. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:51:42 AM | Statistically speaking, Obama does not have any sort of overwhelming or significant lead in votes among registered Democrats who chose to vote in state primary elections. His counted vote lead is scant. The superdelegates most likely will decide the nominee for the Democratic party if the nomination is made at the convention. That is if there are two viable candidates entering the convention. This will occur if neither Obama or Hillary quit before the convention. It certainly looks like right now that both candidates will have active campaigns leading into the convention. Obama currently has a delegate lead due to his nomination strategy of placing greater emphasis on smaller states that have caucuses to determine its delegates to the national convention.
The counted votes among registered Democrats is only part of the equation in the Democratic party's determination of its nominee. Really the superdelegates are key to winning this nomination. Hillary knows this, she feels they are up in the air, that's why she isn't "losing" although the most media coverage you see implies she's "losing"; that's why she isn't quitting even though she's slightly behind in the number of delegates currently indicating affiliation toward any particular Democratic candidate. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:40:53 AM |
Really the superdelegates are key to winning this nomination.
It would sound the death knell for the party if either candidate got the nomination solely based on the decision of the majority of superdelegates counter to the popular vote tally and the overall delegate count. Furthermore, it doesn't look like a significant number of uncommitted superdelegates will break for Hillary. The following link is to an article which depicts how Bill Clinton freaked out at a meeting with California superdelegates. The Clintons are digging their own grave and everyone knows it:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL&type=printable | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:55:33 AM | It would sound the death knell for the party if either candidate got the nomination solely based on the decision of the majority of superdelegates counter to the popular vote tally and the overall delegate count. The popular vote tally will essentially represent a statistical tie. Obama is ahead by a handful of delegates primarily due to his shrewd strategy of making up for Hillary's pre-primary lead by gaming the caucus system to his advantage. The fact is if both candidates enter the convention, they most likely are entering it in a dead heat. There's going to be all sort of politicking for the superdelegates going on between the end of the primaries and the beginning of the convention. Obama's side is going to do just as much politicking as is Hillary's side. As they both should, because neither side will have any sort of appreciable advantage with that politicking. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:06:15 AM | | I believe that after the 2000 general election even if either Obama or Clinton leads by 1 popular vote and 1 delegate after the primaries that the Superdelegates will fall en masse behind the leader to avoid a contentious convention. They don't want it and will likely unify behind the leader of any margin to avoid it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:16:50 AM | | obamamania has taken hold, thats why. we saw the same phenonom when h ross perot started running. and most here are too ignorant or young to know about jimmy carter. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:19:32 AM | Hillary has no mathematical chance of winning unless she uses tactics that would leave a bad taste in the mouths of most Democrats and make swing voters go to McCain - like getting the Michigan and Florida delegates seated.
After she gets a much narrower win in Pennsylvania than she needs, she will be pressured to step aside. She needs to win every other primary by 20 points just to tie Obama. She should endorse Obama now, but she seems to have a tough time recognizing that she's not the one this time. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:23:29 AM | I think she can last until after the May 6 primaries.
And what does ignorance have to do with knowing or not knowing anything about Carter? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:35:05 AM | | I wouldn't worry about trapper jon's weird little missives. I can't decide if he's delusional or just a joke someone is playing - the lack of picture makes me think the latter though. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:52:11 AM | There are all sorts of voting count discrepancies occuring today, even after the pain of such inaccuracies was keenly felt by all the people who voted for Al Gore in 2000, especially those in Florida.
If Obama is ahead by .5% in popular vote, that means nothing. You could recount every freaking vote in every freaking state multiple times and wind up with different numbers after each and every recount. 1 vote ahead means nothing. 1 delegate ahead AFTER the superdelegates are counted, that means something.
The concept of the superdelegates is to avoid the current mess (they make the decision if there is no clear consensus). There is no consensus among registered Democratic nationally who voted. That's obvious. It's highly unlikely there will be a national party consensus before the convention. There will be all sorts of closed door deals going on for these superdelegates. Obama supporters should definitely have concern about Hillary's methods in getting these closed door deals done in her favor. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:57:46 AM | | The closed door meetings are going on now and you can bet that the superdelegates are talking among themselves right now. Hillary can decide to want to take it to a contentious convention if need be, but if you listen to the wind right now it is already talked about how that is not wanted by many of those superdelegates. I will say most of the uncommitted right now are waiting to decide so they cannot be accused of not having all the states get their say. Once those states do, they will do what they can to not have this go to Denver without a nominee. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 7:04:38 PM | I agree. If the majority of the remaining superdelegates were inclined at all to support Hillary, we would be seeing more high-profile superdelegates publicly declaring support for Hillary during these last crucial primaries. That support has not been forthcoming. The last endorsement she got was John Murtha, who doesn't have the same stature as a Claire McCaskill, a Patrick Leahy, or a Bill Richardson. The fact is that a 46-year-old junior senator with a "funny" name is competing successfully against what was supposed to be an unbeatable Democratic stalwart who has been a household name for 16 years.
This whole situation has been a referendum against Hillary more than it has been an anointment of Barack Obama. Barring some kind of unforeseen catastrophe in the Obama camp, the rest of the superdelegates will be ready to swing over to Obama the second the last primary vote is counted. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:04:03 PM |
Gee, you mean the votes don't count in saying she's losing?
Nope. The media proportionally highlights the very people in almost exact % of the support they get. In reality, your American compu idiot box voting machines are fraudulent (even admitted by the creators of the software).
You're presidents have been pre selected for decades. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:46:27 PM | | Really? So you know when Michael Jordan wins the Presidency already? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 3:38:44 AM |
You're presidents have been pre selected for decades.
Oh that's nice to know. Maybe I should just write a letter to my Senator and Congressmen then and have them dump all that money that goes into funding elections into education. What a good idea.
Where do people come up with this stuff? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:38:43 AM | | Maybe not exactly correct but the media definitely selected Obama...it is difficult for those under the influence of Obamania to see but the media has been manipulating this process..Why should Hillary drop out? Obama does not have enough delegates to win right now,so why is the media beating that drum? Tearing the party apart,did you hear that one? how exactly is it tearing anything apart? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:41:07 AM |
Really? So you know when Michael Jordan wins the Presidency already?
wow, we have a sarcastic loser in here. Please fall off a roof. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:45:07 AM |
Where do people come up with this stuff?
Years of study, waking up, ignoring people who bash because they don't understand. Just typical stuff.... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:30:36 AM | I think it has a lot to do with the fact it has been a two family Administration for over 20 years and people want to see fresh faces.
So much so that the front runner in the Democratic party is a big hit and we know nothing about him. This does not say well for the American voter If they people were paying closer attention instead of listening to the press you would see a entirely different slate of candidates on both sides. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:50:16 AM |
wow, we have a sarcastic loser in here. Please fall off a roof.
I consider a loser someone who says "You people" or "You stupid Americans" and surrounds themselves in a cloud of unjustified self-righteousness. Know anyone like that? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 8:41:44 AM |
Maybe not exactly correct but the media definitely selected Obama...
It's true that some media pundits have given Obama a push; but the fact is that not one of the Democratic party bigwigs is publicly advocating Hillary's nomination at a time when she despertely needs it. The heavyweights like Kerry, Kennedy, McCaskill, Dodd, Richardson, Daschle, and Lee Hamilton are all backing Obama. Guys like Al Gore, whom you would expect to be behind Hillary, are ominously silent. Hillary has had to rely on people like former House rep. Gerry Ferraro and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee for public support. That's a joke.
For whatever reasons (and there are sure to be many), the Democratic party leaders don't want Hillary to be the nominee. They are also the folks who comprise most of the superdelegates. Hillary and Bill don't seem to want to realize that, but it's pretty obvious. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 9:57:14 AM | The more I look at Hillary...the more I see.
No one likes a cuckold of any gender, to be leader. She could have divorced him, as many Republicans (Gingrich, Guiliani) have without recourse. It doesn't make her look strong, to put up with one affair after the next.
Bill didn't just cheat, he preyed on a young girl. It's like the creepy manager at the food store hitting on the young girl too nice to complain about his constant hands-on approach. Parents of teen girls probably know what I mean. So why doesn't Hillary react to it?
Hillary moved to New York to become a Senator, and everyone guessed it was to lay ground for a presidental run.
Her best claim for the throne? the Bob Dole defense: hey, I spent enough time in Washington, I'm due the Oval Office as a consolation prize. No one, however, sees the Oval Office as a consolation prize.
Her lies of desperation: Ask a woman what it was like, growing up in high school, to deal with the girl who wanted to be popular no matter what. she had her bf spread lies around, she told stories that weren't true...doesn't Hillary keep coming off as this young girl who will do anything to be the popular girl, even stuff that isn't very popular? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/3/2008 11:05:27 AM | As an objective observer from your neighbour to the North it seems fairly obvious why Hillary will loose.
Race
Gender
America's obsession with altar pounding Preachers.
Most relevant....America's racist history is now coming back to haunt them in the form of guilt. | |
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