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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 3:33:07 PM | When Bill Clinton was first running for president, and getting nagged about HIS lack of experience, he said, "The same old experience isn't relevant."... and I think that, for a lot of us, that's what Hillary's 'experience' adds up to... 'the same old experience' with the same old players, running on the same old treadmill.
Obama might be all set to just settle back and join that club... but just this once I'm not going to let my cynical side win me over... it's been soooo long since I voted FOR someone rather than AGAINST someone else. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 3:40:22 PM | Hilary Clinton wants all Americans to have health insurance. Not everyone in America, can afford health insurance. That is why they are turned away at the doctor's office and hospitals on a regular basis. Hilary doesn't care if people are suffering without health care obviously.
It seems to be for the rich, not the poor and middle class, barely getting by. As well as affortable housing, look at the housing costs and to buy groceries at the store. Prices have gone through the roof. And the politicians and government who get wealthy off the public , don't seem to care, and they forget that they wouldn't have jobs if it wasn't for the people in society fitting the bill.. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 4:07:12 PM | "That is why they are turned away at the doctor's office and hospitals on a regular basis. Hilary doesn't care if people are suffering without health care obviously. "
It’s illegal for a hospital to turn someone away that is in need in this country. Here in Dallas we have Parkland hospital. From what I have been told it has one of the best trauma centers in the country. Most that use the hospital are illegal’s and poor. We tax payers foot the bill. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 5:11:30 PM | | I have heard of people being turned away at hospitals for treatment if they don't have health care coverage. So it does happen in united states.. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 5:23:20 PM | I think it's called patient dumping. I think in LA at least one hospital puts them in cabs to be dropped off on street corners.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 8:01:30 PM | If you want a reason why Hillary is losing (actually, has lost) watch the 60 Minutes interview that she gave on Sunday night.
When asked by Steve Kroft, directly, if Barack Obama was a Muslim. she hemmed and hawed and the closest she could (or would) get to saying "No" was "He says that he isn't."
Now her campaign probably know what the name of the first woman Obama had sex is...and what that woman has for breakfast.
So she already KNOWS that he's not Muslim.
For her to wait so late in the game to use a "Muslim" card (i.e. make seem as if she thought he might be covering up something) was really weak.
And, frankly. for a political operator w/ her credentials, rather amateurish.
If she can't do any better than that, this late in the contest, how could anybody expect MORE from her later?
Being an amateur and personal weakness are NOT strengths.
If they were, I'd say we have strong person in the White House NOW.
Hillary is finished.
The fat lady is singing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 8:21:26 PM |
When asked by Steve Kroft, directly, if Barack Obama was a Muslim. she hemmed and hawed and the closest she could (or would) get to saying "No" was "He says that he isn't."
Now her campaign probably know what the name of the first woman Obama had sex is...and what that woman has for breakfast.
So she already KNOWS that he's not Muslim.
So pertinent. I use the Pakistan issue as my example. I knew what Obama meant when he said he believes we should be able to pursue actionable intelligence unilaterally in the semi-autonomous tribal areas of Pakistan (Special Ops, Precise targeting via Predator drone, etc.) but more importantly she knew what he meant. But she decides to tell voters that "Obama wants to bomb Pakistan" which really is both her and her campaign team mocking the American voters. This has not only been the trademark of her campaign, but it was the foundation of her husband's campaigns and presidency. They mocked the American people then, she is doing it now.
I think she's lost because more people are onto it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 10:30:34 PM |
So she already KNOWS that he's not Muslim.
Or maybe she's done her research. Barack Obama was BORN a Muslim according to his family lineage and may actually be considered a type of defected Muslim, according to the other Muslims out there. He says he's not Muslim but the other Muslims don't necessarily see it that way. And I'm sure that if she's aware of it, soon the GOP will be aware of it as well. All of this will eventually come out before the national election.
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286
Hillary is finished.
The fat lady is singing.
The votes aren't counted yet though, are they? You're really going to have to eat some crow if you're wrong about the polls and I gotta tell you, I'm going to be laughing if that happens, and I'll be watching Senator Clinton dance all the way to Pennsylvannia. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 11:25:20 PM | "Or maybe she's done her research. Barack Obama was BORN a Muslim according to his family lineage and may actually be considered a type of defected Muslim, according to the other Muslims out there. He says he's not Muslim but the other Muslims don't necessarily see it that way. And I'm sure that if she's aware of it, soon the GOP will be aware of it as well. All of this will eventually come out before the national election."
He was not born a Muslim. His father was. He was not raised Muslim. He went to a madrasa as a very young boy(and for a short time that), but that was the extent of him being anywhere near Muslim. He's Christian, has been Christian for a good many years. You're either a Muslim or you're not. A type of defected Muslim?
She's very well aware of what faith he his but is playing a nasty game that will soon backfire on her. He's a good man, with a very good, clean background. You cannot say the same for her. And how she is carrying herself at the moment, and the tactics she is using speaks volumes for her character. How he is handling it and what she and her colleagues are throwing at him speaks volumes for him. He has integrity, strength of character, and a great deal of self-respect to not stoop to her level and playing tactics.
And for those still thinking he IS Muslim, he denounced and rejected any support given him by Louis Farrakhan and those in his Muslim circle, publicly before reporters AND Hilary. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 12:47:56 AM | Islam is not in your DNA. Obama's lineage is mixed Kenyan and American. If that is an example of research to reach a conclusion, the only phone she better be answering at 3am needs to involve her asking for the address to where to deliver the pizza.
Clinton needs to carry these states with 70+ percent of the popular vote to hope to cut into the deficit in delegates. She won't reach that in Ohio and won't even come close to that in Texas. She could win all 4 states on Tuesday and still lose ground in delegates. Coming into this primary season, the Republicans had no hope to win the GE. For this to drag on is like an answer to the Republicans' prayers for a miracle. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 12:58:42 AM | It’s illegal for a hospital to turn someone away that is in need in this country. Here in Dallas we have Parkland hospital. From what I have been told it has one of the best trauma centers in the country. Most that use the hospital are illegal’s and poor. We tax payers foot the bill.
One of the reason your healthcare costs are so absurdly expensive on a per capita basis is because preventative and early care have no compulsory provisional status.
So people wait and hope they get better, until they get REALLY sick, and then it costs a ton.
Also, before you think going to a Madrasa is a big deal, Madrasah is simply the arabic word for "school." | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 5:11:17 AM | "One of the reason your healthcare costs are so absurdly expensive on a per capita basis is because preventative and early care have no compulsory provisional status."
Prenatal care is standard fair at Parkland and is actually encouraged. We are all paying for it with upcharges on our bills and taxes. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 6:03:24 AM | She's losing for a few reasons, some she can help and some she can't.
1) People tie her to an old administration when the buzzword of today is "change". Being a Clinton, she can never portray herself as a candidate of change.
2) She's incredibly unlikeable. Now, in politics, you don't necessarily have to be Everybody's Buddy (look at Richard Nixon and Calvin Coolidge, two decidedly uncharismatic people). But against a Barack Obama? You need to shine. When your opponent oozes charm and you're ultimately charmless, it's a problem.
3) She's a niche candidate. Older white women seem to love her--but that group isn't enough to pull her to victory. Obama has an incredibly diverse cross-section of supporters. People of all races and ages, males and females, rural, suburban and urban, rich and not, educated and not. It's an amazing thing to see and Hillary can't complete.
4) You cannot predict a Barack Obama. He seemingly came out of nowhere and mobilized people. He brought my generation to life for the first time and revitalized the party. His platform is the future; hers is the past. Without him, she surely would have won, maybe had a bit of a scuffle with Edwards along the way, but she'd have handily won. It was the prediction, and some things, you just can't see.
Hillary is losing because of her own mistakes. She is losing because of who she is, who she was, and who she will be. At the end of the day, it comes down to the simple fact that her campaign expected this election to be a coronation; when Barack Obama came up, they weren't prepared, and they faltered. They never expected that people would view Hillary as "Establishment", never expected that the blacks would turn on them, never expected to be painted as villains and "same old political hacks". | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 6:41:55 AM | Big props  to The Ladies (VioletSkye and LittleAudrey @msgs 9, 25, 34 and 38). I would probably have proffered an unnecessarily long-winded explanation of why Hillary is losing (and I like Hillary and would probably have voted for her, were she not competing against what looks like a real-life "Pres. David Palmer"  ) but The Ladies are obviously more skilled and adept at articulating the most salient points I would have attempted to make in a much more succinct fashion. 
"Great job!" and "Thank you," Ladies!! 
MY money says the "empty [Harvard Law-educated, Law Review-leading, bill-sponsoring, independent-thinking, conflict-resolving, problem-solving, and -- rather charismatic and principled -- coalition-building] suit" will inherit the Earth (or, at least, the White House ) this November. But I suppose we'll all just have to wait and see, right?  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 7:00:21 AM | One more passing question, which I only ask since the subject seems to be the source of such controversy:
What if he really WAS a Muslim??? Would that make him objectionable as a candidate? Do only "professed Christians" have whatever it takes to lead our nation?
Am I too far off topic now?  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 7:26:11 AM | She is losing for so many reasons.
A couple just off the top of my head.
1) Grass Roots...she had none. Nobody in place because she thought she had it.
2) Bill. He should have shut up long ago. He never helped once. Her best asset was her worst liability.
3) Bush-Clinton-Bush...Clinton? Enough Already.
4) Obama brings new voters out in droves...mostly young and full of energy.
5) As she starts to lose she went negative. She was taking plays out of Republican playbooks.
I think she is inteligent, savy and a good politician. But its over...she and her staff blew it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 7:42:58 AM | .......what is also amusing is how the afro-american "leadership" (for lack of a better word) initially endorsed Hilary as their favorite.....if i recall, Jesse Jackson went as far as saying that Obama was not "black enough".....or something along those lines!
....now that Hilary is on the ropes, they have all jumped off her wagon like it was on fire!...and they are jumping on the Obama bandwagon!.......what a crew, eh? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 7:53:27 AM |
What if he really WAS a Muslim??? Would that make him objectionable as a candidate? Do only "professed Christians" have whatever it takes to lead our nation?
Ouch, Vype! Anyone want to field this one? Anyone? Bueller. Bueller. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 8:05:46 AM |
I think she is intelligent, savy and a good politician. But its over...she and her staff blew it.
Agreed. Her campaign made huge strategic blunders, and some tactical blunders as well. A couple of posters mentioned the fact that Hillary is unlikeable. It's true that she's disliked; but that's not the reason she's losing. John Kerry wasn't well-liked in 2004; but was still able to get the Democrat nomination over candidates like John Edwards who were more charismatic.
If Hillary has one personal quality that might be hurting her, it might be that voice, though. It grates, and is getting more raspy now from overuse. That's doesn't really go to likeability--she's just hard to listen to. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 8:19:55 AM | For Sum1Reel @msg42 ...
I don't know, Chumley. I'm of the opinion that you are both mistaken and mislead when you say the "Afro-American Leadership ..." Additionally, it seems to be both unfair and misleading to say "they are jumping ... what a crew, eh?"
Firstly, in as much as there IS no "afro-american 'leadership'" (or the post-70s variant "African-American" leadership) to speak of, it is completely incorrect to say that such "leadership" ever "initially endorsed Hillary ..." Rather, there were many prominent figures within the African-American community who endorsed Hillary, just as there were many prominent figures in that community who endorsed Barack -- from the very beginning. Hell, for THAT matter, there were many who endorsed Bush in the last election!
Since African-Americans are not a monolithic constituency and do not necessarily vote or develop alliances as such, it only stands to reason that different prominent figures would back different candidates.
Secondly, I think that as Barack was less widely-known on a national scale at the onset of the nomination process -- and did not even announce his candidacy until after Hillary had forged alliances with many prominent figures (each Black, Latino, Asian AND White) -- it should come as no surprise that, since gaining more national exposure and having an opportunity to present his case for the nomination, and subsequent presidency, on a well-publicized national platform, that some of those figures would shift their support to him as the candidate that they felt best did something (whether that "something" was "reflected the will of their respective constituencies," "stood a chance at winning the general election," "advanced the strategic goals of the Democratic Party," etc.).
Whatever the case or motivation for that shift, the bottom line is that as Barack has won more and more of the contests in the eyes of the Democratic-voting public, and that prominent figures from ALL racial, ethnic, and other delineated groups have "jump[ed] on the Obama bandwagon." I'd be willing to bet your house that many in the "European-American leadership" have switched alliances to McCain, though initially behind another Republican candidate ... 
Not ALL of us agree that it is wise to "stay the course" when that course is clearly heading down the insensible or losing path. But, for those who do, the rest of us can only say "what a crew, eh?" | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 8:39:48 AM |
What if he really WAS a Muslim??? Would that make him objectionable as a candidate? Do only "professed Christians" have whatever it takes to lead our nation?
Interesting question. I, personally, would have no issue with voting for a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Jew, a Catholic, anyone. It doesn't matter to me what a person's religion is, as long as they recognize (like Obama does) that it's important to keep church and state seperate.
I think many people would have an issue voting for a non-Christian, and to me, that is sad and closed-minded. Hopefully, future generations will be more open to new thoughts and one day, our children won't understand why it was a big deal to see a black man become the President of the United States.
Anyone can talk religion. Anyone can go to church. It is not ideology and faith that makes a man great. It is deeds and deeds alone. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 8:56:46 AM | I think for the most part people in the US want something that doesn't give the appearance of the same old thing. She was with her husband throughout his career. And with the controversial wars overseas and other foreign policy issues. It is a daunting task.
As in years past, the college educated population has more likely than not been more in favor of someone who came across being more independent without being as tied into the status quo. Simply put. Having more choices. And it seems that the ex president's wife while it could have assisted her in the field of politics may have also not worked for her in the present. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 10:14:00 AM |
..what is also amusing is how the afro-american "leadership" (for lack of a better word) initially endorsed Hilary as their favorite.....if i recall, Jesse Jackson went as far as saying that Obama was not "black enough".....or something along those lines!
....now that Hilary is on the ropes, they have all jumped off her wagon like it was on fire!...and they are jumping on the Obama bandwagon!.......what a crew, eh?
Just like all the Bush supporters that crowing and kissing his a*s when it looked like we "won" the war in Iraq.
And when the dollar was worth something.
And when gas was under $3.
And there were jobs.
Where are they now?
What a crew,eh? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/3/2008 5:16:27 PM | "One more passing question, which I only ask since the subject seems to be the source of such controversy:
What if he really WAS a Muslim??? Would that make him objectionable as a candidate? Do only "professed Christians" have whatever it takes to lead our nation?
Am I too far off topic now? "
I'm soooo gonna go there! LOL
In all honesty, Vyper. To me, it doesn't matter. I need people to tell me, before 9-11 were we all about fearing a person of Muslim faith and background? Did we have all this hate and ignorance driving us, separating us?
I didn't. I don't now.
Someone's faith might be at the core of who they are, but it's not ALL they are.
As soon as someone says the word Muslim, the first thing most (forgive me if I'm doing a broadstroke here) people think of is 'terrorist', or they're god awful people, or they want to kill us all. What utter crap. Not ALL are this way.
And, in all of this, we've let an administration cause fear in most of us so we don't look past the facade of people around us, but just take most at face value, never learning or getting to know anyone.
I have known many of Muslim faith. They've come here and worked so very hard to live a peaceful life away from all the hate and fighting. Many shake their heads at all that is going on, out of sadness, because it's not what many of them are or are about.
As a world, we've let religion and faith ruin relationships for hundreds and hundreds of years.
It's done out of sinister tact, trying to rule countries out of fear, by telling them "so and so hates you, they want to take over, they want to kill your family, you must act now!"
I'm going off on a tangent, sorry.
Anyhoo...
Tell me...
If Hillary were being done the way Barack is being done, do you think she would sit quietly, show the same kind of dignity he is showing? I don't think so. I think she would do just what she is doing now, stirring fear and trouble with sly innuendos, half truths, and trying to constantly mislead the public.
Every day her colors, her true colors shine brighter. | |
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