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 designingwoman

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/8/2008 7:55:19 PM
Thank you Spitfire for an excellent post on the very topic of why Hillary is losing. Her total lack of credibility is what will ultimately bring her down.

As for Air America, I can get it on two local radio stations. If it was a failure I would not be able to get Air America on the radio--it would be out of business!!
 itechman42

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/8/2008 7:57:08 PM
I'll tell you what was a failure... the Saturday morning cartoon version of 'Forrest Gump'. Now THAT was a failure.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/8/2008 7:59:20 PM
Oh darn, it's not there anymore. For a very long time, if you Googled 'failure'...you'd get a pic of the Dubya's smirking mug.

Those Google guys.....so smart.
 jmarquise

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:07:59 PM
name some popular left wing radio hosts. as for the right wingers, o'reily, hannity, rush, boorts, savage, cain, I can go on. there is a reason why these people are popular! I don't agree with them but they are entertaining to listen to.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/8/2008 9:18:12 PM
Hillary Clinton started out gung ho Republican in her college days and switched sides when she met and fell head over heels for Bill - who was/is very much a Democrat. After that she was a driven woman to get her man recongnized.

Most know this about Hillary (especially since the Bio channel ran it just recently) and the hard core Democrats are leaning towards Barack. It's pretty logical and simple as to why Barack would be ahead of Hillary.
 Shoebox1

Joined: 3/23/2008
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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/9/2008 6:10:30 AM

As for Air America, I can get it on two local radio stations. If it was a failure I would not be able to get Air America on the radio--it would be out of business!!

Air America filed for bankruptcy in October 2006. Sounds like a success to me.
 Shoebox1

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Posted: 4/9/2008 6:12:32 AM

Most know this about Hillary (especially since the Bio channel ran it just recently) and the hard core Democrats are leaning towards Barack. It's pretty logical and simple as to why Barack would be ahead of Hillary.

You dems have a great choice to make-- Pick a liar or a racist?
 b1gfish

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/9/2008 7:50:20 AM
hilary is losing coz
1. obama has a good campaign/better team. working from the grassroots upwards, getting more money than her.
2. the media favors obama over her. media trying to balance it out riding with obama as the underdog.

as for lying and exaggerating.. they both do it. well they all do it.
 Insolent1

Joined: 3/7/2008
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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/9/2008 7:59:21 AM
After all this time I still believe that Obama is winning because his minority status trumps Hillary's minority status...The media has determined that their revenues will increase more if we have the First Black President than if we have the First female President...its all about the Benjamin's....
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:02:05 AM
All I know Insolent is that considering how many times here I pissed you off, I sure hope I don't run into you and those Guns in a dark alley some day.
 b1gfish

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/9/2008 12:03:25 PM
why kill him itechman.. he's somewhat right.
 DonnyDude

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/9/2008 4:29:09 PM
Because she will say anything or do anything to get elected. She is also swimming in lobbyist money. The Clintons made a fortune in politics...why cant they just retire and keep donating to their own foundations? America is ready for a change...the Clinton machine is not a change. We have been there...done that!
 itechman42

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/9/2008 4:58:37 PM

why kill him itechman.. he's somewhat right.


I meant I feared for my own life. He hasn't lost his marbles, they're still there, but the drawstring on the bag is dangerously loose.

He let's me get by with saying that.
 spitfire6844

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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:41:01 PM

"On TV, Hillary Clinton seems by turns icy, contrived, hysterical, sentimental, bitter, manipulative and self-righteous. In short, dehumanized by the mysterious dictates of technology, she takes on qualities that most people hate. Perhaps because of the way camera lights hit the planes of her face and the tinny distortions of her voice imposed by television microphones, something apparently evil happens......"
------Stanley Crouch


Hillary is going to mess around and lose the Pennsylvania primary if she's not careful. Three weeks ago, Hillary was ahead of Obama by 26 points. Two weeks ago, she was leading him by 16 points. Now she's leading by only 4 points. There are still almost two weeks left 'til the Pennsylvania primary and Obama is outspending Hillary in media ads by 3 to 1 (lack of funds is contributing to Hillary's impending loss as well.)

The humiliation will be unreal for Hillary if she blows that state. The end could come right there.
 b1gfish

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70% vs. 20%
Posted: 4/10/2008 8:00:48 AM
obama outspent her 3 to 1 in tx too but he still lost. i just dont see her losing penn. especially with these ridiculous racial stuff (like the lady who had to step down for calling neighbor kids monkeys ((she got her job back a day later)). still... whenever racial stuff comes up it will hurt obama in the long run).

this thing was over on march 4th anyway (tx and ohio primaries) when she couldnt win BOTH with a 60-40 margin. she'd have to win with a 70-30 to even dream of coming back. but that isnt happening. well it would if obama removed his face mask and happened to be osama. thats the only way she's gettin this..
 Bikeman_

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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:03:59 AM
Obama is outspending Hillary in media ads by 3 to 1
There are lots of idiot votes that are undecided. Obama has stockpiled resources of $$$ from donations of countless supporters, and he is actively competing for that idiot vote. If that kind of campaign spending doesn't pay off in any particular state primary with a victory, the $$$ spent on TV ads in the primaries will have a residual effect in the November national election should Obama win the nomination (which he undoubtedly will).

Obama's campaign can tolerate a near loss in Pennsy should he lose--he can claim it as a moral victory, since he got some but not all the wishy-washy fence sitters to fall his way. He's got lots of funds to piss away on these type of ads that pander to the fence-sitters.
 designingwoman

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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:06:33 AM
I hope that Hillary loses big in Pennsylvania so that she will finally (!) go away.
 jmarquise

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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:14:00 AM
she still won't go away, face it, she is taking it to the convention.
 Bikeman_

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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:15:42 AM
I hope that Hillary loses big in Pennsylvania so that she will finally (!) go away.
She's not going to lose big. She's got the endorsement from both the Governor and the mayor of Philadelphia. Most of the Democratic political machine in the big states is behind Hillary--Obama hasn't been able to win over leaders in most big states, so his shrewd strategy has been to concentrate on small states with caucuses where he could manipulate the caucus system to his advantage. In bigger states like Pennsylvania, for him to have any headway he must grossly outspend Hillary for him to stand any chance in coming close in a popular election.

she still won't go away, face it, she is taking it to the convention
I hope so. It's damn ludicrous for states to be holding their primaries half a year or more before the national conventions. It makes the local politicians in Michigan and Florida look even more foolish for attempting to circumvent both Republican and Democratic party rules by holding January primaries. Hopefully by Hillary contesting things until she is mathematically eliminated, this will encourage most state election boards to hold their primaries in the spring instead of in February.
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:22:56 AM

and he is actively competing for that idiot vote.


They all are. The single largest block of voters in the nation have always been the idiot contingent.

No, Hillary will not lose in Pennsylvania in popular vote at least but if the polls are an accurate reflection and it is as close as it's been getting then she will not enjoy the win she needs.
 Bikeman_

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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:53:44 AM
The single largest block of voters in the nation have always been the idiot contingent.
Normally this group is pandered to by negative TV ads. I'll give Obama credit, he hasn't competed for the idiot vote with negative TV ads. But I'm too intelligent to dismiss the fact Obama is competing for that idiot vote by making a whole bunch of "campaign" promises, promises that logically cannot be fulfilled for one reason or another. I actually don't mind the negative ads as long as they are factual in nature and point out tangible subtleties. Hillary's best strategy is to point out to Democratic voters why she is the better choice, and she really hasn't done that without employing 3am histrionics.
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/10/2008 9:29:04 AM

Hillary's best strategy is to point out to Democratic voters why she is the better choice, and she really hasn't done that without employing 3am histrionics.


So true. The Bosnia sniper fire thing really stood on it's own as it was. It wasn't so impressive as having to duck to the cars under fire, but still showing it as something she did just added to the fact she's done stuff. Don't just say you have more experience, show your experience.

With Obama, some feel that after ways of doing things the same way have gone so ineffectively stale that all you really need is to do things differently regardless if they're the best conceived ideas. I admit that I like the idea of talking with our "enemies". Are we really out anything and don't we gain something in at least showing some respect to everyone? I understand where past policies of not legitimizing Arafat as an example are best, but can't we at least talk with Iran? I do think the idea of 'special interests' and 'lobbies' is a misleading campaign point. Isn't most of the effect of that on the Congressional level rather than the Executive level? There may be things he's promising that he wants to do... doesn't mean he can.

I like McCain. I wanted to vote for him in 2000. But I just see pursuit of the same ineffective and stale ideas.

Basically we just need the best person in there for the job. These three aren't the best people alive and actually one or two that have been drummed out of the race might have been better than these. The problem with the idiot vote is that the largest bloc makes the decision based on if that bloc believes Obama will put us whites into slavery, or McCain will have us at war with the world for 100 years, or if Hillary really is Hillary.
 spitfire6844

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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:34:04 AM
It's interesting that Obama, in his speeches, is consistently looking past Hillary to focus on the main election race against McCain. Normally in any contest, you don't like to appear overconfident and look past your current opponent; but, obviously, Obama is sure enough of the nomination outcome to focus almost exclusively on McCain. It may be a sign that the Democratic party elites have already confided to Obama that they consider the nomination race over. We'll see.
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 4/10/2008 12:16:10 PM
I think it's more about trying to ensure there isn't going to be division in the party when he does win. Everybody who can count knows that the only way Hillary can win it is by means that would divide the party and drive all swing voters to McCain, so he's just doing damage control by not focusing on Hillary.

If he spent his time trashing Hillary her more militant supporters would sit out. There seems to be a "Hillary or Nobody" kamikaze bent to her campaign already.
 spitfire6844

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Posted: 4/10/2008 3:48:13 PM
Here's an article referring to Hillary's firing as a House Judiciary counsel during the Watergate period. Very interesting account concerning one of her long-term character traits:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60962
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