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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 10:26:16 AM |
Management is a skill. If you can't manage, you can't manage. If you fail on a small scale certainly we should give the same job an a grander scale. If someone is given the task to manage putting in a driveway and bungles it terribly, I'm not going to turn around and give them the task to put in a highway. It's the same apple. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 10:51:02 AM | Bikeman, I am sure you werent around when JFK was President but perhaps youve heard of him.
Do you happen to know what he was selling, perchance? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:00:08 AM |
Bikeman, I am sure you werent around when JFK was President but perhaps youve heard of him. Do you happen to know what he was selling, perchance? Not really. I'm missing the logic here; what does JFK have to do with the thread topic? You've got me perplexed.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:09:19 AM |
Bikeman, I am sure you werent around when JFK was President but perhaps youve heard of him.
Do you happen to know what he was selling, perchance?
Brinksmanship in the Cuban Missile Crisis? Or are you refering to his staunch anti-communism policy in Latin America, arguing "those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." I know, you must be refering to his getting us into Vietnam.
Is Obama really going to do all that? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 1:09:24 PM | | I doubt he has any plans to deal with Soviet missiles in Cuba or to send troops to South Vietnam. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:07:41 PM | Simlasa, yes, we all worship celebrities.
I was very young the day JFK was killed in Dallas. I was on a school bus and we were told he was shot and killed. For young and old, black and white, male and female, nearly everyone across the country ....it was like a piece of our heart was torn out.
JFK was loved by many. He was handsome, charismatic, straightforward, forthright .... we were so proud of him ....and he could have been the biggest screw-up in the world, to this day I have no idea if he was a good president or not.........but we loved him so much and we felt proud of him and of being Americans. Eisenhower before him was also very well-loved by my grandparents' generation. He never held an elected office, he was just a general who ran on his notoriety from WWII.
History calls certain people at certain times and they are the right person for the right time .......or they arent. I just dont think Hillary has got the call from history. I do think Obama has. Obama touches something in a lot of people who want to feel hopeful about the future again and have someone in office they can love and be proud of.
There is nothing wrong with that. We havent had that for a long, long time. NOT having it .......being ashamed of this inarticulate, sleazy used car salesman type we have in office now, the same is real, the distrust is real and the lack of affection for him is real.
Feeling HOPELESS and HELPLESS that there will be NO CHANGE are very, very real, there is no hot air about these things. Having a leader who can inspire HOPE and CHANGE .........no matter what, even if it's a complete illusion and the realities of life in Washington hit Obama like a ton of bricks..........the fact that he can inspire is what we need in our leader, and in the leader of the free world.
Hilary does not inspire. Nor does McCain. They just dont and they never will. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:11:26 PM | | Bikeman, well, the logic is that you seem to be an expert on what Obama is "selling", you called him a salesman. So naturally, I would expect that you are an expert of some kind of what Presidents have to sell and would surely know about JFK> | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:45:51 PM |
Bikeman, well, the logic is that you seem to be an expert on what Obama is "selling" On the contrary, I have no idea what he is selling, that's pretty much my point. All I know is he comes off as a "change salesman" who doesn't seem to articulate how he's going to go from point A to point B. That's what I feel in my gut. What's he gonna do, make it up as he goes along in his presidency? I'd like to get a sense that he's got a plan, I just don't sense that. Still he might be an agent for change, sort of like a clueless change figurehead. Then I'd be wondering who is actually coming up with the policy decisions??
What was Kennedy "selling", some concept of Camelot? That in a Cold War we were safer than we actually were? True I wasn't alive when Kennedy was alive, so I'd like to know from someone who remembers the Kennedy presidency just what he and Obama had in common. Kennedy was a Blueblood, Obama isn't, that's one major difference. They both attended elite schools, now there's something in common. Please help me with this. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 4:30:56 PM |
True I wasn't alive when Kennedy was alive, so I'd like to know from someone who remembers the Kennedy presidency just what he and Obama had in common.
Both share a few points, although I'd compare Obama more to RFK, specifically RFK circa 1968.
1) JFK and Obama were the voice of the new generation, of the dawning of a new age. Eisenhower had been born in the last century.
2) Both men share the common trait of high intelligence, dedication to service, charisma, and eloquence . Both are "born politicians" in the best sense.
3) Both were questioned over their religion, and both were questioned for their ability to lead.
4) Both came into public view in times of great change and challenge.
There's many more, that's just a start, from one who remembers that time well.
Obama's the most intriguing candidate I've seen since RFK in 1968, bar none.
He's the only one I've come across that ignites the same admiration as RFK did in my first exposure to American politics, at an age where I could really start to understand the idea of what politics actually was , and what it could mean to a nation. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/28/2008 4:51:18 PM |
"We really can't have a divided convention. If we do, it's going to be very hard to heal the party afterwards. So we'll know who the nominee is and that'll give us an extra 2 1/2 months to get our party together, heal the wounds of having a very closely divided race and take on Senator McCain."
------Howard Dean
The drumbeat is getting louder for Hillary. It's time for her to look for a dignified exit and take it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 6:26:35 AM |
The drumbeat is getting louder for Hillary. You sure that is not the drums beating for Obama? Maybe it just Rev. Wright talking on TV again.
a dignified exit and take it.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 7:08:05 AM | | Remember that whenever Obama goes through this Wright stuff, Hillary's numbers don't go up. It's not making a difference where she's concerned. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 8:09:51 AM | | If I remember correctly another Politician was constantly referred to as being JFK like, we all see how that worked out and what type of Politician he turned out to be...Dan Quayle..Woo Hoo...............Isn't the nominee supposed to have 2025 delegates or so? Neither one will have that many so why should either one of them drop out? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 8:15:05 AM | I'm not sure that a continuing debate on the Democratic side necessarily hurts the Democrats and the prospective nominee. It encourages people to register as Democrats in the late primaries if they wish to participate in the national party debate. This continued debate ought to encourage states NOT to hold their debates early (the people in Florida and Michigan are kicking themselves). This type of informative debate doesn't normally happen after March, closer to the national election date. Nobody is rushing to register as Republicans. Let the system and process sort out which candidate is nominated; the "unity" argument is real weak.
I see more differences than similarities when comparing Obama to any Kennedy. It depends on how you can spin the "half-full" concept to your advantage. Then again, I don't view JFK as being some sort of "hero". Interesting perhaps, hero no.
I don't see any sort of advantage Obama has with some concept of him representating a "new generation". What should we just throw out the ideas of more experienced and informed people?? I don't get that logic. Obama reminds me of a pharmaceutical sales rep. Dress him up in a suit, pull his string, and out comes his sales pitch. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 7:22:36 PM | | As long as there is a Chance that she can win she will stay in. There are more states and more super delegates to be counted. I'm not sure who I'm for (probably Billary) but I would bet the farm on a Democrat being in the Whitehouse. After all, it's there turn to screw it up! | |
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edisto
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Joined: 3/29/2008
Msg: 691 | |
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 7:32:21 PM |
Remember that whenever Obama goes through this Wright stuff, Hillary's numbers don't go up. It's not making a difference where she's concerned.
spit...
you know, I can post anything, like I'm a beauty queen who just happens to be a millionaire and I am flying to my resort island in my private jet-
but it ain't so, just like your post, ain't so~
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105205/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Moves-Into-Lead-Over-Obama.aspx
New Gallup Poll Daily tracking finds Hillary Clinton with a 49% to 42% lead over Barack Obama in national Democratic voters' presidential nomination preference.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90B5PRG0&show_article=1
Hillary Rodham Clinton has won the endorsement of North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley, a surprise boost to her candidacy in a state where Barack Obama is heavily favored to win the Democratic primary. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 9:05:33 PM | Rev. is acting like the stereotype. He said we 'play the dozens' and that is correct, but he is being the 'crab in the bucket'. Pulling another one down because he is not the focus.
He is upset because Obama had to distance himself from the crazy fool. I am just hurt that he did not distance himself a long time ago, but I too have family members that attend churches they have outgrown (not liberation theory, just plan boring not growing outdated churches) , but are too loyal are dumb to leave. I guess it is guilt.
That is not me, you don't fit, I quit.
Wright is pissed and now he is going to bad mouth. He is being a crab in the bucket. He needs to leave the south side of Chicago and move on. Better yet, go back and stop hattin as the kids would say. He is being a 'hater'
This is going to hurt Obama, and I pray that Obama has learned a lesson.
Leave some black folks alone.
My father use to tell me when you move out of the ghetto sometimes you can go back and speak, but you can not hang out there because they do not mean you any good. They will get jealous and try to set you up because you do not have their back.
My fathers favorite saying was 'you can take some black people out of the ghetto, but you can not always take the ghetto out of some black folks'.
Most people I know were very upset with what he said.
His rantings did not represent any church I have attended.
There is a 'Shrine of the Black Madonna' here in Houston and the preach black liberation theory, but that is not ALL black churches.
I was born Methodist and yes, the Methodist church has done allot for blacks since slavery. He was correct majority of our schools did come out of the church. But, in 2008 the sermons I hear are on prosperity.
He does not represent me just like many other so called black leaders.
Obama has been the closes one that I could relate to in a while (national level). So, yes this hurts me. He is of mixed heritage, raised in mixed environment and attended mixed schools where he became the President of organizations (that were non black).
It has been nice having someone that I can relate too. All blacks did not grow up in the ghetto and went to jail before the age of 2 with mama's on welfare and daddy's in jail.
Yes, I am angry now, because once again the 'SAMBO' has spoken and it is suppose to represent me.
The rapper does not represent me nor the comedian (except Cosby and Will Smith).
Why is it when blacks like me try to stand up and represent the Flav O Flav's of the world have to take the stage.
If this puts Hillary on the ticket. I pray that Wright was paid well. Wright can take his black butt to the other side of heaven.
Yes, you guys may not can say that because it may appear racist, so let me say it.
If any African Americans have issues with my words (oh well). I am tired of someone saying the truth and being crucified. When Bill Cosby said what he said many crucified him and that is why the Lil Kim's are still center stage.
This always happens. This is what we were afraid of, and yes most of the times it is one of us that kills us.
Just like they killed Malcolm X when he stopped being racist and realized that all whites were not prejudice. The Nation of Islam had him killed.
Why didn't Wright use Judas kissing Jesus as an illustration. No, Clinton fans I am not comparing Obama the person to Jesus the person, but the situations.
I feel that Wright has sold his soul for a silver. In the end Judas hung himself. So, in the end Wright will hang himself.
I guess Wright did not realize that the Methodist church (born in) did help us get an education (fourth generation educator) so now we can read the bible and draw our own conclusions.
That is what Wright is doing.
As long as we are seen as buffoons and fools things are fine, because that is the image we are suppose to have been when we start being intelligent and groomed we are killed by our own people (terms uncle tom, sell out, Oreo etc.).
Examples: Oprah, Tyra Banks, Tiger Woods, Bryant Gumbel and even though I do not care for his views Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice or O J. Yes, I said O J and I do think he had his wife killed, but was rich enough to get away with it. But, O J is so dumb he still did not learn a lesson and his old butt is still going to jail.
I am tired of the Flav's getting all of the attention. In my heart I feel that Clinton's people had something to do with this fool speaking (HIS VIEWS, NOT THE BLACK COMMMUNITIES VIEWS).
I know the democrats need to be in office, but it is not going to happen.
McCain will get my vote if Hillary is on the ticket.
Well, my son loves the military. If McCain is President I feel he will be taken care of because we will not be able to leave Iraq no matter who is in office.
Once again thanks for feeling my pain. But, this happens to us every time. When Bill Cosby spoke out he was executed by the black community even though what he said we were saying behind closed doors.
Behind closed doors we are saying Wright is a FOOL. But watch some so called 'negro leader' justify his dumb butt.
I can't wait to see what they say to support his butt, because in our community you are never to say that one of our leaders is a fool. Quote me 'WRIGHT IS A GHETTO FOOL!!!!!!!!" Trust me someone is going to try to clean up the mess.
The best thing Obama can do is move on and continue with the campaign. Clinton can continue and blatantly lie, then yes he should continue, because they were not his words, but the words of a pure fool.
If he does not get the nomination lesson learned. He has gone allot further than any other African American in history. He has already made history. He will always be a winner in my eyes.
Now, just like the African American community has banned together to assist him in this election we need to place our energy on whomever else is on the ballot. Either vote for the independent candidate or McCain. Ban together to make sure Hillary is NOT elected.
Now the country knows (like the civil rights movement) not to ignore us. Maybe Obama needs to meet with McCain and assist him with a economic and health care plan so he can win the election. If we support McCain and just show him how to develop a plan Hillary will be defeated. | |
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edisto
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Joined: 3/29/2008
Msg: 693 | |
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 9:52:11 PM |
Clinton can continue and blatantly lie,
Either vote for the independent candidate or McCain. Ban together to make sure Hillary is NOT elected.
in your attempt to throw ONLY Wright "under the bus", you fail once again to see the truth that you missed when you thought Rev Wright stood for something good, Obama was aware of what Wright stood for, come on, he's not a dumb man, but he is a politician, who like Wright admitted, says what he "has to"...
Well, my son loves the military. If McCain is President I feel he will be taken care of ...
as a mother of a son who has served in this war, my suggestion is to rethink when you're not as upset, what you've just written, the military will not "take care" of your son, they will use your son- | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 10:17:13 PM |
spit...
you know, I can post anything, like I'm a beauty queen who just happens to be a millionaire and I am flying to my resort island in my private jet-
but it ain't so, just like your post, ain't so~
 You're welcome to start a thread on your new millionaire-queen status if you want to, Edisto. I don't think most posters on here are interested in your self-referential desires. You're welcome to try, though.
As for the polling trends on Obama and Hillary, everyone knows that you have to look at the trends over time. Posting one poll where Hillary showed a rare, temporary gain on Obama doesn't give the real picture. Hillary started off with a pathetic 3rd place finish in Iowa. She did poorly at Super Tuesday and has been trailing since in both the overall popular vote and the pledged delegate count. The truth is that the only time Hillary has been ahead in this thing was for a very brief period after the Nevada primary. Ever since then, she's been significantly behind. Even in states which Hillary has won, her winning margin was drastically reduced from the pre-primary polling figures. Hillary invariably does more poorly among voters over time. None of the personal issues attributed to either candidate has changed her dismal performance in the race. | |
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edisto
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Joined: 3/29/2008
Msg: 695 | |
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/29/2008 10:37:05 PM | ^^^^^
Remember that whenever Obama goes through this Wright stuff, Hillary's numbers don't go up. It's not making a difference where she's concerned.
writing a paragraph to show how "polling trends" have to be looked at as "trends over time" still doesn't make your statement above accurate
the polls have shown Clinton's numbers have gone up, you did not in your comment specify that they had to go up over a certain amount of time, you said that they "didn't go up"-
"Hillary's numbers" DID go up...so as I said before, you're wrong...
and your "it's not making a difference where she's concerned" is not true either, she received the endorsement of Mike Easley....
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Joined: 11/9/2007
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 4:12:35 AM | I would think that alot of people who voted for Obama before the Wright scandal escalated would not have voted for him had the information been available before their vote was cast. With that in mind, they will not back him should he go to the general election.
Hillary's success looks promising.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:34:15 AM | Itechman42, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings.
Recent events and polls prove how insightful she was to stay in the race.
We already knew she smart. Now we know she is insightful and tough, in addition to being experienced.
Qualities we want in our nations leader.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:42:58 AM |
Recent events and polls prove how insightful she was to stay in the race.
And future ones will prove otherwise, mark my words.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:49:05 AM |
Itechman42, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings. Now Hillary certainly isn't svelte, but I wouldn't categorize her as fat. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:56:44 AM | Nah, she's not fat but crap does seem to roll off of her easily enough. I never understood how with so many candidates and politicians that one missplaced comma can destroy their careers but a Clinton can steal or certainly help steal and still be worshiped by so many.
It's true though, she's got a good chance to win only because we're seeing that her competition may be more like her than we hoped. | |
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