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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 7:17:25 AM | I never understood how with so many candidates and politicians that one missplaced comma can destroy their careers but a Clinton can steal or certainly help steal and still be worshiped by so many. How about having definitions for words like "is" that aren't in any printed dictionary?  Or believing that one's splashed manseed on another woman's dress does not constitute "sexual relations".  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 7:24:55 AM | Bud, she can look like Rosanne Barr as long as she smart and gets the job done.
No doubt Brad Pitt can put your vote in his pocket when he chooses to get into politics.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 7:48:00 AM |
Bud, she can look like Rosanne Barr as long as she smart and gets the job done.
So Nixon was pretty okay after all?
Bike, that was funny.
I actually did consider that the way the Clintons were able to get away with keeping support in spite of being blatant crooks was 'Deception as Zen' philosophies. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 8:14:41 AM |
the polls have shown Clinton's numbers have gone up, you did not in your comment specify that they had to go up over a certain amount of time, you said that they "didn't go up"-
Anyone with common sense knows that you have to look at trends in an election cycle. No one looks at a single poll as being conclusive as to how an election or primary season is going, just like no one looks at a single state or a single demographic within the population. Overall, Hillary is trending downward, and many people have mentioned that on the thread.
I've got to laugh at people acting like they have a personal connection to any of these candidates. Another poster said that this is Hillary's "time".  Some people seem to let their personal feeling for a candidate affect their judgment. Hillary, overall, is a good person and a decent senator. However, an objective look at her political history and how she's run her campaign indicates that she would make a horrible president. It's not personal. The primary results and polls, taken in the aggregate, strongly indicate that most of the nation's voters believe the same. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 8:45:31 AM |
So Nixon was pretty okay after all?
Are you referring to Barack now or Hillary?
Barack is either being dishonest when he says he didn't know about Wright's anti-American views or he is an idiot.
I take it you don't believe he is an idiot.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:09:36 AM |
Barack is either being dishonest when he says he didn't know about Wright's anti-American views or he is an idiot.
As anti-American as Martin Luther King, or Pat Robertson.
Both said God would take his revenge on America, or already had. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:13:40 AM | faith2565
Kudos on a well stated, logical post!!!
IMHO, what all was said in her post is one of the best thought out, common sense writings I've seen on here...ever.
What a refreshing read it was!  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:14:49 AM | | these are the reasons that religion has no place in politics. these are the reasons I am a deist. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:21:06 AM |
Are you referring to Barack now or Hillary?
Barack is either being dishonest when he says he didn't know about Wright's anti-American views or he is an idiot.
I take it you don't believe he is an idiot.
PhillyFellow
I don't like "I don't know nuthin' 'bout no subpoenaed billing records that shouldn't be missing from the archives at a law firm. Oh, you mean THOSE billing records". But I guess it's better to have a crook that can get the job done than it is to have a guy who might be too close to a too-colorful character that can get the job done. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:37:48 AM | If this puts Hillary on the ticket. I pray that Wright was paid well...Now, just like the African American community has banned together to assist him in this election we need to place our energy on whomever else is on the ballot. Either vote for the independent candidate or McCain. Ban together to make sure Hillary is NOT elected...If we support McCain and just show him how to develop a plan Hillary will be defeated. Geez this makes absolutely no sense. First, I don't think Pastor Wright is capable of being "bought" by anyone, especially a non-black person. Second, it's rationalization to believe Clinton is somehow "orchestrating" this attention on Pastor Wright. It's totally driven by Pastor Wright and the media looking to make the news more interesting in order to sell commercial time and magazine subscriptions.
Does anyone have any credible sources that indicate Hillary's campaign is behind any of the light being shed on Pastor Wright? Of course not; Hillary doesn't know how to run a campaign, right? It might be pro-Hillary political action groups. So lets throw the baby out with the bathwater, if Hillary does say "Pastor Wright is a good man, there's no problem with Senator Obama voluntarily choosing to attend Pastor Wright's church for 20+ years, there's no problem with Pastor Wright performing the nuptials for Barack and Michelle", she'll be branded by the fringe groups anyhoo for exploiting the issue.
She can't win on this; the shrewd thing for her to do is to basically keep her mouth shut about this topic (which she has) that seems to me at least to be a clear indicator that Obama is quite capable of exercising extremely poor judgment. Let the media and Pastor Wright help to connect Obama's dots.
If he does not get the nomination lesson learned. He has gone allot further than any other African American in history. He has already made history. He will always be a winner in my eyes. I think his time is either now if he can work his way through Democratic party channels to earn the oarty's nomination and sell a few red states on his poorly-defined "change" concepts while carrying most of the blue states. Better yet his time is four or eight years down the road, after he becomes more "seasoned" and realizes being a "Washington insider" isn't such a bad thing and having Washington experience is the way to get things done in Washington. Example: look at the mess that is George W Bush's "Washington outsider" presidency. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:41:56 AM | | Bike, agree or disagree all the time... you've got yourself a level head up on those shoulders. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:47:15 AM |
She can't win on this; the shrewd thing for her to do is to basically keep her mouth shut about this topic (which she has) that seems to me at least to be a clear indicator that Obama is quite capable of exercising extremely poor judgment. Let the media and Pastor Wright help to connect Obama's dots.
She went to a right wing newspaper, faced a man who tried to crucify her husband when he was President, and coyly was "surprised" when the question of Wright came up.
Meanwhile, Clinton herself cozied up to the Richard Mellon Scaife--the man who funded the "vast rightwing conspiracy" (which included the American Spectator) that tried to destroy the Clintons in the 1990s--in order to take a swipe at Obama. On Tuesday, Clinton met with editors and reporters of the archly conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, which Scaife owns. At that session, she did what she could to keep the Jeremiah Wright controversy alive by saying, "He would not have been my pastor. You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." In attendance was Scaife. ("Hell has officially frozen over," rightwing journalist Byron York commented.) So has Clinton no shame? No pride? Or merely a sharp sense of political calculation? Did she ponder the irony of using Scaife's platform (in the key state of Pennsylvania) to discredit a fellow Democrat?
All's fair in love, war, and hotly contested primaries? Maybe. But that doesn't make it right. Clinton might be willing to put aside her grudge against the American Spectator and Scaife because doing so helps her politically. But in the 1990s this band of Clinton-haters were out to ruin not merely her and her hubby but the entire progressive agenda. (They always believed the Clintons to be far more left than Bill and Hillary actually were.) But now, for Hillary Clinton, they're good enough to use against Obama.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/03/7761_clinton_sleepin.html
Shows how low she can go, quite frankly.
Shake hands with Judas, and collect your votes. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:52:33 AM | Hey Itech, thanks; I actually like Obama, I'm actually very apolitical (I'm not registered in either party). He's just got to learn how to deal with the typical political nonsense a bit better. It's damn obvious this guy Wright message doesn't play well very far away from his followers.
What was that issue that McCain was being slammed on in February? I can't even remember what it was, because McCain immediately held a press conference and immediately answered all the questions posed by the media. It's sort of clear the water rolls off Hillary's back. Obama needs to answer questions asked of him (which he does but he's human and will stumble sometimes), then not show any sort of ill affect due to people scrutinizing his credentials (which they should, since after all he is seeking the country's highest office).
She went to a right wing newspaper, faced a man who tried to crucify her husband when he was President, and coyly was "surprised" when the question of Wright came up. So she's putting the words in Wright's mouth? I don't tend to believe the rants and ravings of either the left-wing or right-wing blogs. I think Hillary's smart to play the center. That's where the election will be won in a country that still thinks red and blue. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:59:44 AM | | you don't remember, it's his so called 100 years war. something he is still taking crap for. just depends on what news outlets you read. also, I do believe that wright can be bought. not to say that hillary did it, it could have been the republicans. everyone has a price. look at spouses who are willing to have their husband or wife murdered to collect insurance money. all wright has to do is going around acting like a crazy man, something that he is probably willing to do since obama kind of dissed him for his political career. this situation is a mess! I really think I need to hop on the ballot as an independent. or a whig. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:11:09 AM |
I do believe that wright can be bought. My sense is Wright is living in the microcosm universe of South Chicago where is top dog of his parishoners (is that the right term or spelled correctly?), and he really cares for the people who attend his sermons (as long as they don't question his leadership). His comments are tailor made for his followers, and he is very egotistical, likely he is of the mentality of never admitting his own mistakes. Outside of that microcosmic bubble, of course the comments don't make any sense. It's really strange Obama didn't disown Wright until this week. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:14:36 AM | Martin Luther King would never have said AIDS is a disease invented by white people to kill black people because it is idiotic.
I'm not so sure about Pat Robertson.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:17:27 AM | | well, clinton had kind of a crazy carter, jimmy carter did too. they aren't going to disown them though. I think that obama didn't want it to come to that either. when he did so for political reasons, to wright, it was on. oh well, not like it matters. as I state quite frequently, I dislike all three candidates. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:19:46 AM | Itechman42, I wouldn't care if Obama was right up there on stage with Wright spouting the nonsense with him IF I thought he could get the job done.
Fact is the upcoming years are going to be too serious and dangerous to leave to someone with such a wishy-washy attitude on defense matters.
PhillyFellow | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:22:44 AM |
well, clinton had kind of a crazy carter, jimmy carter did too. they aren't going to disown them though. I think that obama didn't want it to come to that either. when he did so for political reasons, to wright, it was on. oh well, not like it matters. as I state quite frequently, I dislike all three candidates.
But that's really the point - Wright isn't some Billy Carter, a family embarrassment you are stuck with. He's a guy that Obama has willingly brought into his life, beyond merely being a pastor. If he was uncomfortable with what Wright was saying he had 20 years to disassociate himself. Instead he waited until the kickoff benediction to his campaign to ask him to step back. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:24:49 AM | | you can distance yourself from family members. have you ever seen black sheep? that was based on a true story. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 12:00:48 PM |
Fact is the upcoming years are going to be too serious and dangerous to leave to someone with such a wishy-washy attitude on defense matters.
That's a valid concern and a perfect reason to not want to vote for someone.
I don't believe Obama is wishy-washy, I think he offers tact. He was the first one to speak up on AQ and the Taliban hiding in the autonomous tribal regions in Pakistan saying that we should not be forced to allow them that safe haven for our supposed ally in Musharraf. I understand the sensitivity for both Pervez and the current administration on the deals needing to be made for the support of Pakistan in the WOT. And Obama was the first of the three candidates to be accused of war-mongering. He has never claimed to be anything but adamant about going after Al Qaeda.
While Iran, Syria, and North Korea have always had their designs on interests opposite our own when did things escalate to high Defcon proportions? When the administration puffed their chests out and threatened them as directly as you can. I don't know. Is it working to our advantage? Someone show me that bullying and disrespecting enemies is better than simply being resolute without threatening. Maybe someone showing this thing called tact could show us to be a more responsible nation where the Hate-O-Meter drops from the red to more modest levels.
And we have so much more besides just foreign policy to worry of. Name a domestic issue. Any domestic issue. We are about to implode on all of them. I'm not at all comfortable with an interest in a far-left Liberal when a recession is our best case scenario now, but I see another candidate who's policies might be fine if our deficit and economy is not to disastrous levels but they are and I think Clinton threatens to push us over the edge. Now is not Hillary's time. I've never questioned her capability to serve in the office, I think it's the worst time for her.
Maybe Obama doesn't really want to give at least a little bit of America back to us. Maybe he can't. But then again maybe he does and can. Maybe he can work together with Republicans. I am having a hard time believing it's best not to find out as opposed to just sticking with those who have no intentions to do any of it. Status quo is sucking! Is it just me that's noticed that while I have cut my expenses way back, I'm still falling farther behind? Do we think business as usual is going to reverse that trend? Choose no hope over maybe hope? Why?
Then I am as aghast as anyone that I don't have a McCain sign in my yard right now. But we need to put the brakes on current policy and I have a hard time with "staying the course" considering where it's taking us.
But supporting McCain or Hillary over Obama with integrity as your barometer? To believe that someone is worse because they've shown that they might have as little of it as his opponents have shown? When I've got 3 people telling they care about me, the common man, and only 2 of them have participated in some form to stealing from the common man, I'm supposed to believe 1 of those 2 will better watch out for me? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 3:10:08 PM | | just to put this out there , has any one thought that her husband is derailing the campain, this guy is thought as of a political genuis, but yet time and time again he making blubers out on the road, just seems a little odd to me.my opinion is its not a mistake, just an opinion though | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 3:29:14 PM |
just to put this out there , has any one thought that her husband is derailing the campain Maybe, I dunno, it's unprecedented that a presidential candidate spouse was a former president, I don't what to make of Bill Clinton, I never was much of a Bill Clinton fan so I'm not really paying much attention to what he is doing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 4:27:39 PM | http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/137375.html
I think this says it in a nutshell.
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