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 PhillyFellow

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 4/30/2008 4:40:38 PM
SimmahDahnNah, if Bill isn't up to the task when Hillary is President.
There will be quite a few red-blooded American men willing to fulfill his duties, for god and country.

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 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:47:37 PM

SimmahDahnNah, if Bill isn't up to the task when Hillary is President.
There will be quite a few red-blooded American men willing to fulfill his duties, for god and country.


lol Gross!
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:49:28 PM
This is THE time we, as Voters, must look at voting records. Absolutely.

McCain has voted with the Republican Party just under 88% of the time.

Obama has voted with the Democrat Party just over 98% of the time.

H. Clinton has voted with the Democrat Party just over 97% of the time.

The numbers, on VOTING records of the Candidates speak volumes.

In other words, Obama and Clinton have been bipartisan approx. 2%.
McCain has been bipartisan approx. 12%.

BIG difference when it comes to working with Congress to get things done.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:53:52 PM
What about the bills they have passed or worked towards with members of the other party? There are several of those for both Obama and Clinton. Voting is not everything. Granted, it says a lot, and it's why I picked the candidate I picked to vote for, but there are other factors.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:54:51 PM

I think this says it in a nutshell.


There isn't a woman alive who can sexually satisfy Bill Clinton. There's a reason why he rides the Skank Express.

Don't blame it on Hillary. I have it from good authority that she looks great in a leather teddy plus whips and chains.

http://mikeresponts.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/spy-magazine-cover-from-february-1993/
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:56:24 PM
lol Again.....gross!

 Ridds

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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:30:12 PM
Why is Hillary losing?........


I guess I'm not the only one who thinks she's the anti-christ...
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:52:47 PM

Don't blame it on Hillary. I have it from good authority that she looks great in a leather teddy plus whips and chains.


Great. Another sleepless night peeking over my covers in the dark. Thanks.
 faith2565

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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:01:01 PM
Edisto,

I am really tired of you at this point. I am very proud of my son's service in the military. I come from a military family. My father has been trying to get someone to attend the Air force Academy.

Please if you do not care for Obama fine. If you want to vote for Clinton fine, but leave me and my family alone.

If you have read about me I have had a great life. I was born on the base in Ohio.

I stated I would never respond to you again, but as Wright said 'you have attacked my son whom I am very proud of and that is out of bounds'. He said that is called the
'dozens' and he was very true. Please back off and leave me alone.

You are an excellent example of why SHillary SHOULD NOT WIN. YES, I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN 10 TIMES OVER HILLARY. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE (RACE NOT AN ISSUE) THAT FEELS THIS WAY. LOW MINDEDNESS.
All McCain needs to do is adopt a decent health care and economic plan. If Obama starts to lose, he just needs to get his advice from Obama's advisors and the young people that support him, and Shillary will be a ghost.

If you have ever been apart of politics even in high school you learn the strategies. If they double team her she will be extinct. But, if the super delegates place her on the ticket she needs to kiss her career good bye.

The next time you see my postings please ignore. Do not ever attack a mothers child. But, then I do not know how you were raised.
 edisto

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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:29:18 PM
^^^^^^
your quote:

Well, my son loves the military. If McCain is President I feel he will be taken care of ...

my quote:

as a mother of a son who has served in this war, my suggestion is to rethink when you're not as upset, what you've just written, the military will not "take care" of your son, they will use your son-

apparently, again, you've missed my point, you said in your post that you would vote for McCain over Hillary, McCain would leave us in Iraq and possibly take us to war with Iran and I fear for anyone in the military if this happens, 50 American soldiers have died this month alone in Iraq

don't twist my quote to make it seem like it was an attack on your son ~
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:40:05 PM
If Iran happens, I think we can hug our 18 year olds and close to it goodbye as letters from what was once called The Draft Board begin going out.
 faith2565

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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:47:17 PM
I pray that do not start the draft again. There is a big difference in a person volunteering and being drafted. If a person volunteers for the right reasons (my son's major was criminal justice, he always wanted to be a policeman and eventually FBI agent; and we did not allow our children to play with guns) then it is different. There are some guys that like that type of work. Now, if you draft a person and they do not desire to be there we will have another Vietnam.

There is a big difference.

 itechman42

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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:50:37 PM
I hope it doesn't happen too. Now even our daughters might be called to duty. We can't go to war in yet another nation while spread so thin and all of it be a volunteer force.

I do know that there is no way you could expect to have an effective invasion force of draftees.
 seattlerain1

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Posted: 5/1/2008 6:47:04 PM

I pray that do not start the draft again. There is a big difference in a person volunteering and being drafted.

And I pray every day that they bring back the draft!!!!

But don't worry, they will never bring it back. Why? Because they LEARNED from Vietnam: If you have a draft, people protest the war. If no one on the homefront ever has to be drafted then people just watch their plasma TVs and play Wii.

I wish they would bring the draft back because the occupation in Iraq would end in a matter of months and Iran would never be a twinkle in the neocons' eyes.

Oh... and if you don't think there *IS* a draft right now... under our noses, go see the movie, "Stop Loss"-- about the 10's of thousands of soldiers who have fulfilled their contractual obligations but aren't being allowed out of the military.

James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth
 flyguy51

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Posted: 5/1/2008 7:06:16 PM
At times, she may appear to be losing, but she certainly hasn't lost. She always manages to win those "must win" states. I remember seeing ole Bill Clinton saying, "She'll get the nomination; don't worry."

He said it so assuredly that I started to wonder if he knows something that we don't. Now I see the media blitz against Obama, and I still wonder...
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/1/2008 7:59:16 PM
I think Bill caught something and the infection is eating away at his brain. He sounds like the old guy screaming at birds from his park bench these days.
 VioletSkye

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Posted: 5/1/2008 9:46:10 PM
itech, you crack me up.


My vote will still be the same. But I do worry about the future and what it will bring if McCain is in office and what will happen in the middle east. My son has been one time too many and even he says it should be done with. Many soldiers he knows feel the same. But how? How can we afford to stay there and babysit, especially with a huge mess we started? How can we keep thinking it's okay to send more people over there and not blink when a life is lost? Not just our men and women, but those innocent lives lost over there in their very own land? How long is enough? When will it be too much, time to leave?
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/2/2008 5:19:14 AM
And Vi, not to mention the soldier's weariness and then someone decides it's "Go Time to Tehran".
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/2/2008 9:13:52 AM
And in a year where America faces a critical election, one which may probably be more important than any other in recent history, one where there's probably been no better time to go after the Republican record of the last eight years...... she's splitting the Democratic party into two factions.

On the one hand she's says McCain would be a better candidate for president than Obama.

D'oh !


Days since Senator Clinton promised she was not interested in attacking Democrats:174

Days that Senator Clinton has spent attacking Democrats since making that promise:170


"I'm not interested in attacking my opponents, I'm interested in attacking the problems of America..."

Hillary Clinton, 11/10/07


Take a look at her record.

http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/


Clinton Comparing Her Opponents to George Bush
December 21, 2007

TODAY

"It is tempting any time things seem quieter for a minute on the international front to think that we don't need a president who is up to speed on foreign affairs and military matters...Well, that's the kind of logic that got us George Bush in the first place." --Senator Clinton, attacking her Democratic rivals. [AP, 12/20/07]


FIVE MONTHS AGO

"If you want to talk about tactical political maneuvering, it's about one Democrat comparing another Democrat to George Bush. That's the worst kind of tactical political maneuvering." Clinton Spokesman Howard Wolfson [AP, 12/20/07]

- Ibid


Once behind, it's time to take the gloves off.

Anyone here listen to that radio tirade from Bill, where he forgot he was still on the air ?



His frustration comes through towards the end of the recording when, apparently unaware that he was still on the line, Clinton asks whoever is with him, “I don’t think I should take any ++++ from anybody on that, do you?

http://supertuesdayblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/president-bill-clinton-says-the-obama
-campaign-played-the-race-card-on-him/


She's risking alienating the black vote, a traditional strong Democratic demographic.

She's already apologized once for it...


Her biggest apology came in response to a question about comments by her husband, Bill Clinton, after the South Carolina primary, which Obama won handily. Bill Clinton said Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina when he ran for president in 1984 and 1988, a comment many viewed as belittling Obama’s success.

“I want to put that in context. You know I am sorry if anyone was offended. It was certainly not meant in any way to be offensive,” Hillary Clinton said. “We can be proud of both Jesse Jackson and Senator Obama.”

“Anyone who has followed my husband’s public life or my public life know very well where we have stood and what we have stood for and who we have stood with,” she said, acknowledging that whoever wins the nomination will have to heal the wounds of a bruising, historic contest.

“Once one of us has the nomination there will be a great effort to unify the Democratic party and we will do so, because, remember I have a lot of supporters who have voted for me in very large numbers and I would expect them to support Senator Obama if he were the nominee,” she said.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/13/clinton
-apologizes-to-black-voters-for-ferraros-comments/


Right now, Clinton's running an ad in Indiana going after Obama on his opposition to the gas tax holiday.

Guess what ?

Check out her past...


Campaigning in the Hudson Valley, Lazio continued a two-day assault on Clinton's support of maintaining the 18-cent federal gas tax and then used tough rhetoric to declare that "trust" and "character" were campaign issues during an evening fundraiser in Manhattan that raised more that $1 million.

Clinton, meanwhile, lashed out at Lazio's plan to repeal 4.3 cents of the gas tax, calling it "a bad deal for New York and a potential bonanza for the oil companies."

During a visit to a shopping mall in the Buffalo suburbs, Clinton said that "the gas tax is one of the few exceptions where we actually get more money back than we send to Washington."

- Clinton in June 2000 when she was running for the U.S. Senate, opposing any idea of touching the gas tax


Just wait for her to run against McCain....

His ad campaign will feature more flip flops than a sunny day on a Florida beach does.
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/2/2008 9:37:45 AM
Why are the Republicans going after Obama playing up affiliations and some very loose ones in addition to Wright while only acknowledging Clinton's existence to encourage their voters to vote for her in the primaries?

They want this to continue as long as possible. If she gets the nomination, look out. Already the legacy to which she is tied allowed the Democrats to lose control of Congress in a time of prosperity and cost Gore a Presidential election. Besides the fact I doubt any of that stuff has a shelf life, she has added a lot more to the arsenal.
 Bikeman_

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Posted: 5/2/2008 9:55:25 AM

Already the legacy to which she is tied allowed the Democrats to lose control of Congress in a time of prosperity and cost Gore a Presidential election.
I'm not sure you can pin the national results in the mid-term elections during Bill Clinton's term to Hillary, or even necessarily say Bill Clinton is the reason for the Democrats losing control of the house and Senate. That might more accurately be attributed to Newt Gingrich's diligence.

Now we're past the 1996 elections and Clinton held his office. Now what's the Republican national strategy to win the 2000 presidency? Polarize the nation and concentrate less on achieving a national mandate and more on producing an Electoral college victory. That's Bill Clinton's legacy: causing the Republicans to adopt a polarization strategy in order to win presidential elections.

That polarization strategy slowly undid all of the hard work Newt Gingrich accomplished in producing the Republican party's influence in the House and Senate. I suppose that is George W's legacy, huh? Things move around in cycles often.
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/2/2008 10:05:37 AM
Bike, you always make sense but I do disagree. People did care about the scandal of the 90s and many still do... you know, the gun and religion folks we heard about.

Definitely the polarization of the Conservatives worked so very well that Hillary adopted it in her nomination campaign.
 Bikeman_

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Posted: 5/2/2008 10:08:50 AM

Definitely the polarization of the Conservatives worked so very well that Hillary adopted it in her nomination campaign.
Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/2/2008 10:19:45 AM
When something works, it works.
 PhillyFellow

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Posted: 5/3/2008 9:51:28 AM
Indianapolis Star endorses Hillary:

Editorial
Experience makes Clinton better choice in primary.
"Yet, one thing is clear: The next commander in chief will take office at a time of extraordinary risk for this nation, both at home and abroad. The challenges -- including those posed by a sagging economy, rising energy and food costs, the gap in health care, wars in two countries and threats from Iran -- are complex.
"On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton is the better choice, based on her experience and grasp of major issues, to confront those challenges. She earns The Star's endorsement in Tuesday's primary."
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/OPINION08/805020400/1291/OPINION08

As I said before: Insight, Knowledge, Experience.

Actually, that would make a great campaign button.

PhillyFellow
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