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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:05:53 AM | The gas tax holiday is one of the best examples of why Hillary shouldn't be President. Instead of focusing on a better solution, like perhaps giving tax credits to long distant truckers, she joins McCain in supporting it.
It solves nothing, and leaves your nation 10 billion or so in debt.
That's the last thing your country needs right now.
Remember when you had that bridge collapse ? How the reports came out about the urgency of repairing other structures ?
Forgotten now....
So ten billion dollars will be added to the debt, and perhaps some of those structures will be neglected until another one collapses.
In the meantime, Hillary actually uses it as an attack against Obama. 
I'm sure she'll be the first one to arrive at the next collapse wringing her hands about how American can no longer neglect it's roads.....
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:21:38 AM | | It's the Clint0n way MG. Look good to some now because the next bridge probably won't collapse for another 9 years. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:28:39 AM | .
The Bridge In Minn. was Clintons fault?
The Budget compromise under Bill Clinton was Pay as you go....
The Clinton gas tax cut is not Unfunded and everyone knows that. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 9:00:40 AM | If you are impressed by who can raise the most money you may need to rethink some things...the bible clearly state the love of money is the root of all evil...It should not take a ton of money to become a president...The devil passes around dollar bills everday my friend....I would admire who can run a cost efficient campaign...
One of the Kennedy Family lost to Jimmy Carter years ago...I don't think you heard so much ridiculous talk in those years...it is just a fact of politics..one person emerges a winner and then u have the loser...
Our society is so bizzy throwing tomatoes and so poud to be doing it, we forget that what is important is that this country gets a good leader...people that throw tomatoes and spend their time making ridiculous political points and labeling others in the media as losers before the final votes are cast worrisome...no one is perfect...that is realistic thinking | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 9:31:21 AM | The Bridge In Minn. was Clintons fault?
No, but if this goes through, the NEXT one might be.
The Clinton gas tax cut is not Unfunded and everyone knows that.
Economists said that since refineries cannot increase their supply of gasoline in the space of a few summer months, lower prices will just boost demand and the benefits will flow to oil companies, not consumers.
"You are just going to push up the price of gas by almost the size of the tax cut," said Eric Toder, a senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center in Washington.
Obama criticized the plan as pure politics and said the only way to lower the price of gas is to use less oil.
"It would last for three months and it would save you on average half a tank of gas, $25 to $30. That's what Senator Clinton and Senator McCain are proposing to deal with the gas crisis," he said on Tuesday in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
"This isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's an idea designed to get them through an election."
"We will pay for it by imposing a windfall profits tax on the big oil companies," she said on Tuesday. "They sure can afford it. This is a big difference in this race. My opponent opposes giving consumers a break from the gas tax but I believe the American people are being squeezed pretty hard."
The cost of a gallon of gasoline has touched $4 in some parts of the country as oil prices nudge toward a record $120 per barrel, hammering drivers at a time when higher food prices and falling home values are already crimping U.S. consumers.
Many economists implicitly agreed with Obama and said the McCain-Clinton gas tax plan sent the wrong signal on energy efficiency and was at odds with their pledges to combat climate change by encouraging lower U.S. carbon emissions.
"I think it is a very bad idea," said Gilbert Metclaf, a economics professor at Tufts University currently working with the National Bureau of Economic Research.
"If we want people to invest in energy-saving cars, we need some assurance that the higher price paid for these cars is going to pay off through fuel savings," he said. "It is a very short-sighted, counterproductive proposal."
Economists also saw it is a poor way of getting money to the households that need it most and warned that it might end up in the cash tills of the oil companies.
"If you want to provide households tax relief, a direct rebate ... is more effective. Not all of the tax relief from a gas tax holiday will be passed on to consumers. Some will likely be kept by refiners," Mankiw said in an e-mail response.
New York Times columnist Paul Krugman was similarly underwhelmed: "It's Econ 101: the tax cut really goes to the oil companies," he wrote on his blog on Tuesday.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080430/us/
politics_usa_politics_gastax_economists_dc
That's the problem with it.
And I certainly admire Obama for sticking to his guns over it. He's taking huge hits , but he's not going to jump on the bandwagon to get votes.
In yet another example of the Obama campaign pushing back hard on the gas tax holiday issue, Obama supporter Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) hosted a conference call to highlight past opposition to such a holiday from Clinton supporters, including North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley and her own husband.
McCaskill, who is campaigning in North Carolina today, quoted Easley who two years ago called a cut in the gas tax a "subsidy for oil companies" and added that less than two weeks ago he said, “people need to be told the truth about it,” because such a holiday would not necessarily result in savings.
The campaign sent out an audio link to the governor's more recent comments. She also said the former president Clinton also agreed with Obama at one point in time about how short-sighted a gas tax holiday would be and said it was noteworthy that the Clinton campaign had not been able to produce experts who backed her proposal, arguing that when promoting an economic policy it was important to have at least someone who knows about economics agree with you, unless you never planned for your proposal to pass and were simply trying to get votes.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/03/977494.aspx
"I'm not going to put my lot in with economists.
this mindset where elite opinion is always on the side of doing things that really disadvantage the vast majority of Americans.
- Hillary Clinton
Ahhh...the "elite" again.....
So Hillary's just thrown out the entire field of economics, dismissed it as elitist, and offers not one elite expert that supports her views ?
Bodes well for the position of President for all of you, doesn't it ?
So am I to somehow think that she was sitting there in that bar, having a shot and a beer, with all those factory workers she hangs out with - before the big bowling game ?
Stopped off at Target to pick up some jeans ?
She's the definition of elite.
She's worth millions, has been for years, lived in the White House, served corporations on their boards of directors, driven around in a limo, and protected by Secret Service agents 24/7/365.
Blue collar ?
Any no one down there is siting there going "D'oh!" | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 11:28:05 AM | I like the Branding "elite"
... She's worth millions ... Secret Service... Limo..
So was JFK ..FDR.. what does that have to do with the price of beans.. gas..
I guess to bash Hillary at least 134 - 150 words per post.....
Would these Economist all agree increasing tax $ .50 a gallon would be a good plan to reduce consumption. is that a good plan?
$4.00 a gallon hurts people. Almost $5.00 will ruin some small business owners...
What does Obama suggest... Hydrogen By 2114??? Or how about a $1000 tax credit....
Explain how a tax credit..... “ helps the pocket book RIGHT NOW”
A good friend and college roommate advises ....
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
On Obama's opposition to a gas tax holiday, Abercrombie says "Don't belittle people who are looking to save twenty-five, fifty or a hundred bucks. Don't give them the impression you're belittling them."
"People want to hear what you're going to do for them. Senator Clinton is doing that," he says.
His biggest beef about Obama's campaign style: "He's got to get away from lectures and essays and start hammering home his message to voters. This is not Denzel Washington in the 'Great Debaters.'"
And another thing: "Stop this business of trying to get hold of the Indiana superdelegates. You've got to win these states! You've got to put a message out there!"
Basically, for you Obama campaign officials who aren't picking up the phone when the Hawaii congressman calls (ahem, David Axelrod), Abercrombie thinks you mainlanders are on the verge of corrupting Obama's ki, his center of being.
This is Help NOW......
http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/18676764.html
instead, Obama wants to focus on more than just the "quick fix" by looking at long-term solutions.
"Move us to renewable sources of energy whether its clean coal, whether its bio-diesel, whether its some of these renewable sources that aren't oil," explained Mabus.
This could benefit Kentucky since the state produces coal, bio-diesel, soy and corn.
Mabus says the Illinois senator does have a plan to help those people who's wallets are hurting right now.
"$1,000 tax credit for working families which is $1,000 right off your taxes," said Mabus.
Obama doesn't seem to be alone in his opposition of a gas tax holiday.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 12:56:46 PM |
If you are impressed by who can raise the most money you may need to rethink some things...the bible clearly state the love of money is the root of all evil...
You're proving my point, JadeGreen. You are right that it shouldn't take a lot of money to run for President. "Money" is the only reason Hillary is still in this nomination fight, as opposed to candidates like John Edwards or Bill Richardson. In a perfect system, Hillary would not have made it past Iowa.
As for "throwing tomatoes" and "labeling others in the media": human beings have criticized public figures since the beginning of time. There is nothing worrisome about that. One would expect healthy debate, criticism, and challenge in a democratic country. Posters on both sides of the debate on this thread have expressed their points very well. There's no need for anyone to be gun-shy or to kiss @ss to any of the candidates. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 4:10:08 PM | .
In a perfect system, Hillary would not have made it past Iowa.
In your perfect system Obama would probably loose.
There would have been about half the involvement from new and record voter turn out. This is important because without a massive voter turn out strange things happen.
Why are yo so afraid of the process? Are you that insecure? There is a lot to yet happen.
Poor winners are sometimes the biggest losers .... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 5:06:37 PM | ^^What Hillary's trying to do has nothing to do with "the process". Hillary is trying to ignore agreements that she SIGNED concerning Michigan and Florida and is trying to certify the results of invalid primaries in order to help her losing campaign. Hillary is advocating B.S. remedies like the gas-tax holiday which wouldn't work and have no chance of getting enacted. Hillary is dragging this thing out when virtually ALL the Democrat leadership have privately agreed that she has lost.
What we're seeing is a proud woman who can't admit that she's lost this thing. She should have conceded gracefully like Romney did on the Republican side. Hillary would be much more respected today if she had done that. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 5:30:46 PM |
If you are impressed by who can raise the most money you may need to rethink some things...the bible clearly state the love of money is the root of all evil...It should not take a ton of money to become a president...The devil passes around dollar bills everday my friend....I would admire who can run a cost efficient campaign...
Well it's a good thing the God fearing Mitt Romney is out of the race, he was spending all his money on his campaign. He would have been lead down the path to hell any day.
Spitfire, good post. It makes me laugh when she brings up 'counting Michigan'. It almost makes me wish we did spend another 10 million to have a do-over. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 5:41:42 PM | .
I believe Romney will be the VP....... The VP is a figure head right?
That is not good news for Nov.....
If Hilary has lost what are you worried about?
You are welcome to address the Gas Tax on another op...
Do you know how the convention works and the Platform Process?
That is where things happen. The Clinton Planks will be in the platform. Why? Because she has a LOT of Support.
She also will be a force in the election NO matter what you think.
Romney brings a lot to the ticket with McCain.....
Exit polls for Clinton Voters today
33% would vote McCain ,,,,,,,,,,,,,17 % stay home Indiana
38% would vote McCain ,,,,,,,,,,,,, 12% stay home N/C | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 5:50:01 PM | You guys 90% of the African American vote is going toward Obama.
If Hillary is on the ticket then many African Americans will vote for McCain or not vote.
I am getting a little tired of people assuming that Hillary being on the ticket is stronger than Obama.
She has not have as many delegates or popular votes.
90% of a total population is a large number when in the beginning she had over 50% of that population.
Hillary would have won by the first primary if the campaign would not have turned south.
It was a good clean campaign now it is a RACE WAR!
This is truly sad | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 5:53:46 PM | | It's too bad that Edwards is not endorsing either candidate. I'd really really love an Obama/Edwards ticket...that'd be the closest thing I could think of to a dream presidency. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:02:32 PM | SimmahDahnNah
If that would happen it would be the best dream ticket. I can not see Edwards working for Clinton. She is too domineering.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:28:40 PM | .
If that is you ideal ticket you need to start to lobby Hillary.
That is the Process and the way the convention works. She will be the King maker, or the Decider.
Why do you think Edwards has not backed anyone?
He wants input on the platform or maybe VP?
Personally I think he wants input on Heath Care plank........... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:41:59 PM |
$4.00 a gallon hurts people. Almost $5.00 will ruin some small business owners...
It's time to wake up.
Americans have had cheap gas for far too long, compared to the rest of the world. What you pay now, and complain about so bitterly, would seem like heaven to many people all over the world, in the industrialized West if prices fell to that level.
If Canada lowered it's gas price to what you are currently paying, we'd be on the streets honking horns and cheering.
That's encouraged you to make poor choices, on a government and personal level, and be wasteful. It's blinded you to finding solutions, ones that other countries have worked on for years now.
Why bother ? Fill 'er up.....
It's nice to roll over and hit the snooze alarm again, but you still have to face the reality that the world has been dealing with - and Americans haven't been.
Politicians like McCain and Clinton will make you believe this all isn't happening.
La-la-la I'm not LISTENING !
Hey, let's party like it's 1999. Where's the Hummer ? Let's drive down to the corner store.
While they do that, you get deeper and deeper into the quagmire that's luring you in.
It's a bit like enabling an addict, and gas is indeed like a drug.
The problems you are facing are not going away, and they will be getting worse, not better.
A tough message ?
Yeah.
But you don't find answers by avoiding the question.
What are the chances 200 economists would know more about the gas-tax holiday proposals of John McCain and Hillary Clinton? Clinton and McCain would like to buy your vote for somewhere between $28 and $70, which is how much you would save if their idea ever happens… which it won’t. If it does, I will eat an Exxon station.
The economists – including four Nobel Prize winners, advisers to past presidents and Republicans as well as Democrats (some of whom are Clinton supporters) – signed a letter rejecting the candidates’ plans for the summertime tax relief.
They say it would simply generate major profits for oil companies, instead of significantly lowering prices for consumers. Also, they say it would encourage people to keep buying expensive imported oil, instead of conserving. Lastly, they believe such a tax holiday wouldn’t provide much relief for families who feel squeezed by current economic conditions.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/
200-economists-criticize-gas-tax-holiday/
Isn't it time the US had a leader that looked to the future, and told you the truth ? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 7:19:06 PM | Im not about to read 30 some pgs of posts... and I do realize that the majority of posters on this thread actually PAY ATTENTION to Politics. However... there is a LARGE percentage of white women who dont care about politics, whether it be a lack of IQ or whatever... but when election day comes.. they do have to make a decision.
From my personal conversations with typical white women, who DONT BOTHER to pay attention to debates, so forth, etc... let me tell ya what responses I've heard...
1/2 say... OF COURSE I'm voting for Hillary... she's a WOMAN!!!
1/2 say... a woman could NEVER be a good WAR LEADER!!!
So in all your debates among yourselves... dont forget this population of white women making decisions based on ignorance!!! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 7:24:18 PM |
1/2 say... OF COURSE I'm voting for Hillary... she's a WOMAN!!!
1/2 say... a woman could NEVER be a good WAR LEADER!!!
So in all your debates among yourselves... dont forget this population of white women making decisions based on ignorance!!!
I agree. Maybe during the next baseball game my kids have I'll start passing out some fliers to the baseball and soccer moms. lol | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 7:29:11 PM | [Quote] Isn't it time the US had a leader that looked to the future, and told you the truth ?
You might want to look up the Clinton Energy Policy... I am guessing that will be the energy plant at the convention...
1/2 say... OF COURSE I'm voting for Hillary... she's a WOMAN!!!
1/2 say... a woman could NEVER be a good WAR LEADER!!!
So in all your debates among yourselves... dont forget this population of white women making decisions based on ignorance!!!
That seems about right.... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 7:37:18 PM |
You are welcome to address the Gas Tax on another op...
We're going to address the proposed Gas Tax reduction right here on this thread because it ties in to one of the reasons Hillary is losing. She is perceived as a dishonest panderer who will say anything to get elected. Voters in North Carolina mentioned that in exit polls. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 8:07:20 PM |
She is perceived as a dishonest panderer who will say anything to get elected. Voters in North Carolina mentioned that in exit polls
Actually I heard today that 95% of Americans feel they're being pandered to by all sides. Fun stuff. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 8:26:49 PM | | Isn't Hillary a Superdelegate at the convention? Think she votes for Kucinich? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/6/2008 9:08:51 PM | Hillary has developed a new math. The count is no longer 2025. Tonight on CNN they stated the new goal will be 2200 (estimate).
I personally think they should allow Michigan and Florida to vote. Nobody remembers the Florida scandal. It was the black vote that was not counted in the Bush election and Michigan can we say Detroit, Flint etc. So, let them vote. Jeb has nothing to lose this time.
LET FLORIDA VOTE, LET MICHIGAN VOTE
FLORIDA (AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE NOT COUNTED IN BUSH ELECTION)
Florida headline did not read (WHITE WORKING CLASS MALE VOTE NOT COUNTED)
DETROIT, MICHIGAN!
Isn't it sad how much of this now is about race
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| Why has Hillary lost?
Posted: 5/6/2008 9:24:32 PM | IT'S OFFICIAL!!!
Both Tim Russert AND Chris Matthews have declared that the race is "OVER." The senator from NY is toast; and the senator from IL is the Democratic nominee!
The only other people left to weigh in now are Bob Costas and Ryan Seacrest! 
It was an interesting, exciting, epic and -- at times -- both painful and brutal war between two very worthy and capable candidates, reminiscent of the titan battles of the Greeks and Romans, Balboa and Creed, Ali and Frazier and -- dare I say it -- the New York Yankees and Boston Redstockings!
But alas ... it is now ...
over. | |
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