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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 8:38:59 AM | Do not take us for granted Flyonthewall. I have voted in every election. I am not a democrat and 'white working class white males' WILL VOTE for McCain.
I will vote for McCain also if Hillary is on the ticket. Win Win Situation!
Yes, we make up a small percentage of the population, but a large percentage of the democratic party.
Hillary made the same mistake you are making. Taking us for granted. Yes, she still has less than 10% of our population.
Remember that small percentage of the population changed a nation in the 60's just by not riding the bus.
Do not take us for granted. We would still be slaves if our voice and prayers were not strong. Please move on!
You are even more of a reason Hillary will not win.
 
'Free at last, free at last, thank God all mighty we are free at last'
'One day we will judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin'
The meek shall inherit the earth.
Do not take us for granted! | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 9:32:58 AM | .
I will vote for McCain also if Hillary is on the ticket. Win Win Situation!
All the Hillary supporters better vote for Obama...... or they are racist???
Obama received 90% of the black vote, Hillary has trouble with those voters.
What is the difference between the Racist statement Hillary made and what you are saying??? | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 9:59:40 AM | Why do some Obama/Clinton supporters say they will vote for McCain if their candidate doesn't win the nomination?
I can see how you might dislike Obama/Clinton enough to NOT vote for them, but to vote for a guy who holds nearly the opposite view on everything your candidate stands for seems ridiculous.
It's spite overload. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 10:33:31 AM |
Hillary has lost the biggest part of her support base the African American base. 90% of the African American population supported Obama. In the beginning only had the grassroots African Americans supported Obama.
Good to see no bias at all ...................
Not that Hillary is much cop.Her and Mrs Obama seem a good team don't you think ? | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 10:52:34 AM |
One day we will judge people by the content of their character Then why aren't we allowed to judge Obamas questionable "Character"? | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 10:57:47 AM | I have to give credit to Hillary for one thing. 
She's forced a lot of this anti-Obama attack program into the spotlight, and it's far better now then in October 08.
This gives enough time for things to be researched properly, and defended against.
It's also toughened up Obama, and that's good too.
So she may have lost the nomination, but she's done a great job as a sparring partner. 
That may not have been her intent, but let's be glad she did it now. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 10:59:59 AM |
Then why aren't we allowed to judge Obamas questionable "Character"?
If only it was his character that concerned you. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:00:55 AM |
It's also toughened up Obama, and that's good too.
So riddle me this batman, you don't find it the least bit concerning that Obama was in need of toughening up, and that he had to get his lessons from Hillary? | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:04:47 AM |
Then why aren't we allowed to judge Obamas questionable "Character"?
We are allowed to judge Obama's character, and it has been questioned. You, and a lot of the people posting here, are questioning the character of the people around him. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:09:16 AM | | Birds of a feather, we are known by the company we keep, Peas in a pod....etc....most people do not have close personal relationships with people whose views and ideology they find appalling.... | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:12:36 AM |
So riddle me this batman, you don't find it the least bit concerning that Obama was in need of toughening up, and that he had to get his lessons from Hillary? Yeah, it's kinda good that Hillary is helping Obama find his nutsack before November. It's a strange thing to say but Hillary has got bigger figuratively-speaking cajones than does Obama. It will be interesting to see in the future how long it will take Obama to come up with answers to simple questions. He's got big time trouble when it comes to talking topics that aren't on his top few index cards. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:14:06 AM |
So riddle me this batman, you don't find it the least bit concerning that Obama was in need of toughening up, and that he had to get his lessons from Hillary?
It's his first time on the national stage, and it's the big leagues.
What I see in Obama, very strongly, is a deep sense of compassion, an impressive intelligence, and someone who is a man of infinite patience. Those are good things for a leader to have, in my opinion.
With everything he's been under, he's held up remarkably well.
Current American politics, this modern incarnation, is pretty much something that Ty Cobb would love. You slide into third, and you drive your spikes deep into the third baseman's legs with a smile.
Obama could have easily been triggered to anger, and God knows he has the reasons to be angry. Someone like Wright, a man he once respected for his work with the poor, became his Brutus.
Et tu, Wright ?
And how has he handled it ?
Has he begun a mean attack against Hillary, one using all the slime he could find ?
No.
He's tried to keep it within the lines on the field.
Now when you elect a president this November, you will elect someone that has the capacity to destroy the world as we know it.
I'll sleep better at night knowing that man's someone who is capable of thinking before he reaches over for that red button and presses it.
He's toughened up, but he's still got that in him.
And we can thank Hillary for that. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:22:59 AM |
Has he begun a mean attack against Hillary, one using all the slime he could find ? No. He might if he were the one behind and/or didn't have the good fortune to have a megabuck campaign machine guiding him through the election process.
I'll sleep better at night knowing that man's someone who is capable of thinking before he reaches over for that red button and presses it. I'm not sure why anyone would think Hillary and/or McCain aren't capable of logical thought process before they might start Armageddon. I can't follow you here.
If listening to Obama get battered in a political debate is any indicator of "red-button capability", I'd say Obama isn't more capable, if anything he is less capable. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:37:37 AM |
Birds of a feather, we are known by the company we keep, Peas in a pod....etc....most people do not have close personal relationships with people whose views and ideology they find appalling....
That's not true at least in my case. I have some very close friends that do things I don't approve of but it doesn't make them less of a friend... So, don't dare judge me by the company I keep...
Did not Jesus keep company with thevies and prostitutes? | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:56:14 AM |
Did not Jesus keep company with thevies and prostitutes? Yes, and I believe that he was tying to convert them, much in the same way your savior Obama has converted all of you... | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 12:03:12 PM |
insolvent1
Yes, and I believe that he was tying to convert,them much in the same way your savior Obama has converted all of you...
LOL, your barking up the wrong tree there bud, I'm not a Christian. I said that to explain you shouldn't judge others too quickly. You seem to have a serious problem with judging others but not looking in the mirror at yourself.
Obama is not a demi-god, he's just a man...
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 12:07:59 PM | I am not running for President....
Thanks for assuaging the rumors about my narcissism... | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 12:42:26 PM | I do not know why everyone is getting upset with me. I am not the media.
The African American population as a whole votes democrat.
In the beginning Hillary had at least 60% of that populations votes (including mine, because Edwards dropped out).
Since she began such a negative campaign things have turned not only for the black/African American vote but also the female vote is turning.
Feminists sharply divided between Clinton, Obama
By DAVID CRARY (AP National Writer)
From Associated Press
May 10, 2008 9:31 AM EDT
She is trying to attract a population that votes traditionally republican. The problem is she has lost a large part of the democratic base. That is not my fault. I am not a democrat.
Please do not use parts of my words.
I wrote that in response to someone that stated the black population only made up 13% of this country and as a whole does not vote.
I merely stated this election shows that our presence (when given something to vote for) does make a difference. Just a reminder the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVMENT.
Math does not lie.
Faith did not start the point of 'RACE' the media did. I am not Rev. Wright. Will not fall into that trap.
I did not start the discussion of what people were voting for what candidates.....
February 19, 2008
Why do white, working-class men prefer Hillary?
Well, there's the race thing......
White Male Vote Especially Critical
Questions Remain Over Obama's Ability to Appeal to Demographic
By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 17, 2008; A05
January 18, 2008
Dems Can't Ignore White Working Class
By E. J. Dionne
THE DECIDERS
White Men Hold Key for Democrats
Contest May Hinge
On Blue-Collar Vote;
Opening for McCain?
By JONATHAN KAUFMAN
February 19, 2008; Page A1
YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- In a Democratic presidential nomination race that pits a black man against a woman, the victor may well be determined by white men.
Obama, Race, and The Election
First Black President?
Remember back in the last century, when Toni Morrison playfully dubbed Bill Clinton our first “Black President,” adding that Clinton “displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas?”
I DID NOT PUT RACE IN THE ELECTION!
Obama only lost Indiana by 2% and that was not the black or white working class male vote, it was the over 65 vote. If you took the over 65 vote out of the election he would have won the state by almost 57%
Hillary messed this up herself...
Edwards: Clinton didn't choose words well on race
AP
Posted: 2008-05-
WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards said Sunday that Hillary Rodham Clinton probably didn't choose her words carefully when she suggested Barack Obama was losing the white vote.
I DID NOT START A RACE WAR. I stated and repeat do not underestimate the power of the black/African American vote. Hillary has made that mistake.
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 1:02:10 PM |
DID NOT START A RACE WAR. I stated and repeat do not underestimate the power of the black/African American vote. Hillary has made that mistake. I don't think the Black vote really makes that much difference in the General but whatever..what I think is very telling though is how may traitors there are who happen to be African American.This race has shown one thing to be true. Blacks will turn there backs on Whites who have been loyal to them and treated them well, whenever a Black is interjected into the mix...People in the Black community had a very high opinion of the Clintons, now that Obama is in the race their memories have suddenly been altered. Its interesting that Obamas chance for the nomination and African Americans opinions of Clinton are inversely related...the more momentum he gained the more Clintons support lessened...It would be nice if Minority groups were held to the same standards of honesty about racial bias as Whites are.....90%+ support is more than issue/stance related.... | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 1:09:33 PM | I disagree that the black vote doesn't make much difference. I think you'll see in November a lot of African American voters turn out who never voted before, because I think (this is just mho) that they didn't really feel like their voice was being heard.
The president of BET is a black man and was and still is a Hillary supporter, and I'm sure there are many more. I think african americans are sick of her crap, really, as I am as a woman. She can no more get my vote just because she's a woman than Obama would get my vote just because I were black, if I were. I'm sick of her crap as a democrat, too. I just think she really handled this whole election very very poorly. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 1:33:01 PM | The argument that blacks have turned against Hillary is the reason for her demise is a weak argument to make. You can't really fault Obama for not more downplaying his father's contribution to his DNA. He is what he is: mixed race.
There are going to be certain people who easily yo-yo from one candidate to another. In this party election there are some blacks who remembered in the past that Hillary and Bill Clinton very capably represented causes that meant much to them, and now wish to support Obama. They do this for one of four reasons:
they feel Obama will do more for them now than Hillary would
beyond what Obama would do for them, he is the better candidate of the two
yo-yo effect
their vote is purely made on race
I'm not sure Obama is necessarily bringing any more blacks into the voting mix. He definitely is mixing them up with the Democratic party. He definitely is polarizing some folks who might have selected Hillary over McCain if she were the nominee to either vote for McCain or not to vote at all. All that stuff is going to play in November more to McCain and the Republican's benefit than it will help the Democrats and Obama.
That's just my opinion, we'll have to see how the Electoral college will play out. I don't really think Obama is going to swing more red states to vote blue than otherwise.
By the way, West Virginia is a very important state for the Democrats. It's funny how Obama isn't making much of an effort there. If the Democrats carried West Virginia in 2000, like they did when Bill Clinton was at the top of the ticket, like they should have if Al Gore hadn't let global environmental issues affect his West Virginia campaign, we wouldn't be in this blue/red state polarization now. Al Gore would have been president without having to worry about Florida's hanging chads. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:29:42 PM | Bikeman,
We do not feel he will do anything for us just like Tiger Woods, Oprah, or the guy who invented the traffic light (yes, a black man). I have never received a check in the mail or secret black people email from either one of them.
It is only historical. If Hillary wins women of America would not start making over 100,000.00 on the average if they have not worked for it. It would be a historical moment for women looking at their struggles. Black men could vote before women were allowed to vote.
As a woman and a black woman I could truly support both candidates. I chose Obama. I have mentioned several times, but no one ever highlights 'I was an Hillary supporter at first (after Edwards dropped out).' I have lost much respect for Hillary.
But, since I am black and so is Obama, that MUST, be the only reason I support him. That is like saying that ALL whites are racist. People will believe what they desire to support their stance. If you quote me please do not use 'bites' I am not Rev. Wright. Please quote everything.
It is symbolism. Acceptance that in this country where we were once enslaved and have fought for our freedom a man that looks like me is up for President.
Trust me Black People that's not on the agenda.
Iraq
Health care
Economy
Environment
Stem Cell research
These things will take a toll on whomever is in office. I do not think there will be time for a black people or women platform.
You guys are not going to get me in a racial battle. I have been on these forums long enough and survived the storm. You know I am not a racist and despise racism.
Blame the media.
Insolent,
You sound like a slave master that is mad that his slaves no longer desire to be his good slaves and want freedom. You have just been an insult to many people.
Yes, this is a historic moment in our countries history for African Americans and women (oh, yeah I belong to both, my bad) whomever wins. I support Obama.
If race is an issue for you fine, but for many it has been proven not to be.
Faith for President Independent Thinking Candidate!!! | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:33:43 PM | | As of today, Barack and Hillary are EVEN as to super delegates. I think he'll pick up a big lead in to time flat. Go Obama | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:37:56 PM |
That's just my opinion, we'll have to see how the Electoral college will play out. I don't really think Obama is going to swing more red states to vote blue than otherwise.
By the way, West Virginia is a very important state for the Democrats. It's funny how Obama isn't making much of an effort there. If the Democrats carried West Virginia in 2000, like they did when Bill Clinton was at the top of the ticket, like they should have if Al Gore hadn't let global environmental issues affect his West Virginia campaign, we wouldn't be in this blue/red state polarization now. Al Gore would have been president without having to worry about Florida's hanging chads.
Obama cannot carry W/V now or in the general.
Does Obama show well in any swing state or a Red State.....
Loss of
over 45's ...
Reagan Dem's
Clinton women
Florida... Done deal...
Mich... NAFDAgate
Large numbers of Latinos will go to McCain...
Can someone show a swing state that he would carry? | |
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