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Posted: 5/16/2008 11:47:55 AM | what's been her most powerful demographic... white lunchpail men? It's kinda ironic that a both black candidate and a female candidate have proven to be the stronger candidates over several white men, and are now pandering to average white men in order to separate themselves from one another. | |
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| The Rezko trial is with the jury.
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:58:40 AM |
They will show themselves (unintentionally and without basis I will say) to be the "bitter frigid b**ches" that chauvinist males claim them to be.
Ah, I get it. Women who don't think like you are b**ches with problems reaching orgasm. Maybe Obama should coin your phrase. I bet that will get those bitter frigid b**ches to vote for him.  | |
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| The Rezko trial is with the jury.
Posted: 5/16/2008 12:10:38 PM | I was just commenting on the state of general perception. In a race that's had little sexism involved that many are threatening to introduce it potentially to their own detriment. I thought it was pretty clear that I wasn't referring to anyone as that but guess I still aimed over your head on that one.
Fly, I think you helped my point that people can read one thing and just totally get derailed on it's meaning or intent to then escalate it into an exchange of negative attacks.
I'm not an eloquent speaker, but I don't stutter either. Oh crap, now people with speech impairments are going to be all up in my grill. | |
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/16/2008 12:15:16 PM | Here's a good article going over all the things which went wrong with Hillary's campaign. It's good to remember that the campaign's strategic mistakes are just a factor in her losing.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915
Here's an interesting quote from Hillary concerning running for office:
Maggie Williams and I went for a long walk. One of my closest friends and advisers, Maggie is a woman of great political acumen. She knew time was running out on making a decision (on whether to run), and for more than an hour she listened to me talk about whether I should enter the race.
"I just don't know what to do," I told her.
"I think it's kooky," she said. "And anyone who cares about you will tell you the same thing!"
So, this good friend of Hillary's thought that Hillary running was "kooky". Guess what? That good friend is now Hillary's campaign manager! Sounds like Hillary got her good friend to drink the Kool-aid, too.
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:16:02 PM |
So, this good friend of Hillary's thought that Hillary running was "kooky". Guess what? That good friend is now Hillary's campaign manager! Sounds like Hillary got her good friend to drink the Kool-aid, too.
Hillary should never have entered the race.
After all she only has 16 million votes.......
All those Kool-aid drinkers....
Big differance in the number of votes cast....
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| Why is Hillary Losing?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:36:58 PM |
Hillary should never have entered the race.
I don't agree with that. She just should have began it as though she stood a chance of not winning the nomination or even just focused on her message throughout.
I don't like Hillary and don't want her as President. I do believe though that she can do the job and that she would be nowhere close to being one of the worst presidents in our history. In spite of my dislike for her, I'd probably even support her if I thought she offered anything different from the destructive policies of the last 20 years. She might have though and we might have missed out on an opportunity. | |
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| The Rezko trial is with the jury.
Posted: 5/16/2008 2:18:01 PM |
Rezko's trial has been given to the jury for deliberations. There is no more testimony remaining and the Prosecutors are done conducting the orchestra.
Obama's name came up in the trial but nothing dealing with kickbacks or wrongdoing. Like I said, no bombshells upcoming.
Come on Itechman, you know these things work in racketeering trials. The mid-level player Stuart Levine was facing life imprisonment for his involvement. The feds gave him a reduced sentence in exchange for testimony against Rezko. There is no doubt Rezko will face a life in prison sentence as well. There is also no doubt that Rezko will work a deal to get a reduced sentence. What the feds really want are the high level public officials that were involved. Let's see what comes out when they get that Rezko testimony.
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| The Rezko trial is with the jury.
Posted: 5/16/2008 2:30:25 PM | No MG, not if the prosecutors want the higher up players which is what the high-level public officials are in this case. They need that leverage of the fact of life imprisonment to get that testimony.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:23:30 PM |
Let's see what comes out when they get that Rezko testimony.
It has nothing to do with this thread. Please stop referring to it and changing the sub-headers to refer to Rezko. Thanks. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:25:56 PM | Spitfire is right. There's just not enough evidence in what you posted to convince me Obama is guilty of anything. So start another thread if it means that much to you, but it looks like you're trying to hijack this one. This one is about Hillary and why she's losing. The only place Obama should have in this one is to say that he's wiping the floor with her ;)
Did you get out and meet Vyper, Philly? I think you really should take him up on that. Heckuva guy, that Vyp. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:37:25 PM |
It has nothing to do with this thread. Please stop referring to it and changing the sub-headers to refer to Rezko. Thanks.
OK. I didn't think it would continue to be the title for everyone else responding to my post.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 12:43:24 AM | ^^Thanks, man.
Itechman said:
I don't agree with that [that Hillary should not have run]. She just should have began it as though she stood a chance of not winning the nomination or even just focused on her message throughout.
Hillary's whole campaign just delayed the inevitable. Barring some kind of massive voter support far beyond what she currently has, there was no way her own party colleagues were going to support her. As we saw this afternoon, Obama and McCain are chomping at the bit to get at each other. It will be the kind of fierce debate that wouldn't be happening if Hillary had stayed in it. All Hillary really did was to get in the way of what is going to be one of the greatest election races in history.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:04:50 AM | Simply put - Hillary Clinton has lost the democratic nomination because Barack Obama is a better candidate.
It's interesting reading, from here in Ireland, about the nomination and the level of attention going into the democrats side over the republican side. Is it not a foregone conclusion that Obama will win in November?
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:00:43 AM |
Simply put - Hillary Clinton has lost the democratic nomination because ...
Arch political corrupter Antoin "Tony" Rezko got the DNC rules committee to change their rules from a 50% penalty of a 100% one on behalf of his key political crony Barack Obama.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 6:54:08 AM | | the leon lett that got stripped on the 1 yard line by don bebe, or the leon lett that kicked the ball in the snow against miami leading to a game winning field goal by the dolphins? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:00:14 AM | | I think we can look at Leon Lett in total to describe her campaign. Certainly the end zone celebration beginning at the 20 yard line when Bebe strolled up to him and said "No soup for you!" such a fitting example, however I also consider the snow flop as inclusive. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:18:33 AM | And who is the star prosecution witness at the trial ?
Stuart Levine.
Rezko also helped raise money for President Bush, but I don't see that mentioned often.
(Rezko cochaired a major fundraiser for President Bush's campaign in 2003.)
Star witness Stuart Levine testified in the Rezko trial on Monday that he partied from dusk to dawn at the Purple Hotel in Lincolnwood and sometimes in Springfield with five male friends whom he would fly downstate in a private jet. His stash over the years included pot, coke, Special K, ecstasy, speed and crystal meth.
Star witness Stuart Levine acknowledging his drug use between 1972 to 2004.
“I experimented with LSD, marijuana, cocaine, quaaludes, Ecstasy, crystal methamphetamine.”
A friend of Division Street writes: “I know he’s the star witness and all, but can you really experiment with all of those drugs for 32 years? At what point does it stop being an experiment and become a way of life?”
I think the experts would say: When you have to explain it away under oath.
Stuart Levine testified in the Tony Rezko trial that “Though he was Republican and made sizable donations to [Jim] Ryan and other GOP candidates, Levine said he also quietly slipped money through straw donors to some Democrats over the years,” the Tribune notes. “
http://divisionstreet.wordpress.com/tag/stuart-levine/
So, this is your star witness against Obama ?
As a Republican, I'd think any info he had on Obama would be worth his freedom. One could even make the argument that, as a Republican, he might have been used (wittingly or unwittingly) as a tool to try and tarnish Obama.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:20:07 AM |
but can you really experiment with all of those drugs for 32 years?
Sounds like full scale research to me. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:33:49 AM | | Pretty bad when your star witness is a graduate from the University of Jerry Garcia, isn't it ? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:52:15 AM | | It really is a moot point now. If Rezko were to sing, Prosecutors want only one name. It is the name of The $600 Haircut. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 10:16:28 AM | Curtain Time For Barack Obama - Part I
Tuesday, 13 May 2008, 4:24 pm
Column: Evelyn Pringle
"Republicans have enough damaging information against Barack Obama to knock him off the ballot before the November election. Those at the top of the Democratic Party know this by now and voters need to recognize that if they nominate him they are throwing the election. Nothing else can explain why they would allow this disaster to happen.
"The investigation called "Operation Board Games" will lead to Obama's downfall and it will begin with what he claims was a "boneheaded" mistake in entering into real estate deal with the Syrian-born immigrant, Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, less than a month after Rezko received a $3.5 million loan from the Iraqi-born billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, who ended up with Riverside Park, a $2.5 billion 62-acre development project in the Chicago Loop.
"Obama set his sights on a $2 million mansion the month after he was elected to the US Senate. It's now known that Rezko got involved in the house-buying endeavor early on, although his involvement would not known until November 2006, the month after Rezko’s indictment was unsealed in the Operation Board Games case."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S00171.htm
I had thought the "bombshell" against Obama that was being spoken about on Hillary Clinton support forum was this, that the feds had some info that would lead to an Obama indictment.
But the latest suggestion is for something different. I have no idea if it is true or not but it would be understandable that Hillary would not want to release it:
Will Barack Throw Mama From the Train? [Update Two]
By Larry Johnson on May 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
"I now have it from two three four sources (three who are close to senior Republicans) that there is video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wright’s United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament."
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/16/will-barack-throw-mama-from-the-train/
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 10:17:35 AM | If they had it, it would already be out.
I call their bluff, let's see their cards. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 11:14:38 AM |
Those at the top of the Democratic Party know this by now and voters need to recognize that if they nominate him they are throwing the election.
Since many have supported him, endorsed him, or have asked Clinton to step down then who would it be throwing the election? Those at the top of the Democratic Party intentionally throwing the election to the Republicans themselves? Seriously!!!
Phil, were these journalists with whom your trying to enlighten everyone even allowed to write for their Jr. High newsletters or are they doing so now? | |
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