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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 11:45:21 AM | Shrillary is losing because she deserves to lose.
That doesn't necessarilly mean that obama deserves to win...
How about offering somone on the ballot who is interrestind in actually doing what this country needs?
Don't elect someone because they are a woman or a black.... or a white... or a martian. Elect them based on thier wanting to do what is right.
Kill pork barrel poitics.
And telling the envirowhackos to shut up and let us drill for our own oil...
No one in Washington DC is worth electing.
Vote anti-incumbent. Throw all the bums out. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 1:25:09 PM |
fred said:
Don't elect someone because they are a woman or a black.... or a white... or a martian. Elect them based on thier wanting to do what is right.
And telling the envirowhackos to shut up and let us drill for our own oil...
Most people don't elect a president (or anyone) based on the color of their skin or gender.
The "envirowhackos"? How about the OIL COMPANY WACKOS? You do know that they had the chance to drill in the Anwar Reserve, don't you? The bill was REJECTED because someone with foresight included this little clause:
"All oil drilled there had to be sold to America"
The oil companies rejected that because they know can make more profit selling it to the Asian market which is why they wanted to drill... that is evidence that being allowed into the reserve had NOTHING to do with America's dependence on foreign oil, nor would it do anything to help America (other than make MORE record profits for a few).
By the way, your Limbaughisms such as 'envirowacko' simply make you look uninformed and biased.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 2:38:19 PM | Amusing. Obama won his first contest for public office by having his lawyers contest and get thrown out the support signatures collected of ALL his opponents. He won his Senate seat because two of his strongest opponents had to drop out when embarrassing divorce details were ''leaked'' - easy as pie!
Do we really want him winning the democratic nomination because two of the most populous states in the country, both overwhelmingly Clinton supporting, will go uncounted?
Barack Obama, top crony of arch political corrupter Antoin Rezko, previously won his elections by getting his opponents thrown out. Now they have descended to another level: they get the voters who oppose him thrown out.
Return those delegates!!
PhillyFellow | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 2:42:16 PM | The one's Hillary agreed not to count, and signed a pledge on ?
You mean those ones ?
Prince George's pledged delegate switches to Obama
By Stephen Manning | Sun reporter
7:37 PM EDT, May 14, 2008
SUITLAND - A pledged delegate for Hillary Clinton said today he now supports Barack Obama, becoming the first pledged delegate to publicly announce that he is switching sides in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Jack Johnson, county executive of Prince George's County, said he believes Obama has sealed the nomination and that Clinton has "fallen a little short of the line" needed to be the party's candidate in the general election.
Johnson said he will encourage other state party leaders backing Clinton to throw their support to Obama. "It is time for the leadership of the Democratic Party to come together and make a decision," Johnson said today.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/
politics/bal-mddelegate0515,0,5558212.story
Pretty bad when a Clinton delegate sees what you can't Phill. 
1905 .5 for Obama , now.
http://www.barackobama.com/resultscenter/
2025 needed.
120 or so to go. ( someone please talk to that other .5 delegate , and invite him/her over)
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:04:35 PM | Awwwww, SHUCKINS! Thanks, Simmah! 
Nah, Philly and I ain't linked up just yet; but I'm looking forward to it, whenever it comes to pass.
Then we can sit before a TV screen somewhere, enjoy a  or two, talk about the Rezko Conspiracies, and watch the uncommitted and Hillary-pledged superdelegates continue to trickle steadily over to Barack's camp. 
I can't wait! 
So when you wanna do dat, Phil? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:06:53 PM | So where's the connection in regards to any benefit Rezko received from Obama?
Barack Obama - The Wizard of Oz
Saturday, 29 March 2008, 1:43 pm
Column: Evelyn Pringle
"The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party, such as John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama. With use of the internet, a fifth grader could connect the dots to show a picture of a guy who was picked up in college and carried up the political ladder by a corrupt gang of influence peddlers.
"John McCain is just drooling waiting for Obama to become the nominee so that he can come out with the trail of dirt that the Democratic party is too afraid to reveal this late in the in the game. If nominated, Obama will not survive a month when faced with the Republican attack machine.
"If he becomes the nominee, the web of corruption leading to Obama's rise to power that this investigative journalist was able to untangle in less than three weeks, will be front page news right up until election day, handing the Republicans their only chance in hell of winning the White House.
"Instead of the leaders of the Democratic party doing their homework, a small group of investigative reporters in Chicago will be credited with exposing the corrupt backbone of Obama political career and the mainstream media need only follow their lead if the Democrats hold him out to be a viable candidate."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00452.htm
I found this after a few minutes web search:
Obama's letters for Rezko.
NOT A FAVOR? | As a state senator, he went to bat for now-indicted developer's deal.
June 13, 2007
BY TIM NOVAK Staff Reporter/tnovak@suntimes.com
"As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens.
"The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama's former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama's state Senate district."
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"Obama's letters, written nearly nine years ago, for the first time show the Democratic presidential hopeful did a political favor for Rezko -- a longtime friend, campaign fund-raiser and client of the law firm where Obama worked -- who was indicted last fall on federal charges that accuse him of demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business under Gov. Blagojevich.
"The letters appear to contradict a statement last December from Obama, who told the Chicago Tribune that, in all the years he's known Rezko, "I've never done any favors for him.''
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-NWS-obama13.article
This is something that happened 10 years ago. I kind of feel sorry for Obama. It's like those classic mob movies. Once they get you in their pocket, they'll never let you go.
PhillyFellow | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:12:45 PM | Philly, will you relax about the delegates please? I personally think she should not be allowed any of those delegates, because she broke the rules of the election. They came to a reasonable compromise, still giving her more, and she said no.
I don't remember Florida, but MI was not "overwhelmingly" for Clinton. I don't think you can even count it at all, it was a joke. Too many factors. People stayed home, for one thing. And what did she get, the majority over 'uncommitted' by 10 points or something? Just do your breathing...it'll be alright.
And we can't do anything about it anyway, so don't yell at us.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:23:19 PM | No, I mean the ones where the DNC rules committee went against their own rules to fully strip those big Clinton supporting states of their delegates.
The overwhelmingly important fact to remember is that if the DNC followed their rules the votes in those states would have counted! There never would have been any issue of the voters in those states being denied their right to vote!
Of course that would mean the huge lead Clinton had in the popular vote would have given her a large delegate gain even with a 50% penalty, as well as a huge lead in the popular vote.
And that the arch political corrupter Antoin "Tony" Rezko, aka "Tony the Fixer"(*), aka "Tony the Sheik"(*), couldn't have. That would have made it too difficult for Obama to win the election, and Obama only wins when it is made easy for him.
Rezko then couldn't get that pardon Obama would have given him had he been elected.
PhillyFellow
(*)Humorous names given for effect. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:27:32 PM |
He won his Senate seat because two of his strongest opponents had to drop out when embarrassing divorce details were ''leaked'' - easy as pie!
Obama already had a huge lead over Ryan when the sex scandal broke out. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:33:37 PM | Did you know what her delegate lead was in Florida after the results? It's quite embarrassing to have called it "huge" actually. As for Michigan, she only won by 10% versus her opponent "NOT YOU!"... overwhelming show of support?
Had Obama been on the ballot in MI, one word describes why her delegate gain in MI would have been non-existent. Detroit. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:37:11 PM |
The overwhelmingly important fact to remember is that if the DNC followed their rules the votes in those states would have counted! There never would have been any issue of the voters in those states being denied their right to vote!
The rule was that only 4 states were allowed to have primaries before February 5th. Florida and Michigan broke that rule. They were told that they would lose 50-100% of their delegates and given a chance to push their primaries back to after February 5th. Neither did so.
With one dissenter (now an Obama superdelegate), everyone -including Senator Clinton- voted to strip those states of their delegates.
Of course that would mean the huge lead Clinton had in the popular vote would have given her a large delegate gain even with a 50% penalty, as well as a huge lead in the popular vote.
Even if Florida and Michigan's votes are counted (which is especially absurd in the case of Michigan), Clinton would still be losing in the popular vote. So much for a "huge lead". | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:42:18 PM | The Dems really really really need to staff Florida with their people so they can quit flip flopping on 'the Votes'. If it suits their agenda, the votes are recounted - hanging chads, etc.. If it suits their agenda, the votes are never counted - delegates.
Just staff the damn voting locations with video cameras and swarm it with Dem. reps. so they can't scream foul. Oh.... nevermind.... they'll find an excuse. Ahhh well. So goes it. Poor Florida!  for the Voters there. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:42:25 PM | Philly, look at this. This is MI only.
Clinton 328,151 55% 0
100% reporting
Uncommitted 237,762 40% 0
Kucinich 21,708 4% 0
Gravel 2,363 0% 0
Ok so Uncommitted got 90,000 something less votes than Hillary. Keep in mind....Edwards was not on the ticket, Obama was not on the ticket, and lots of people simply did not go out and vote. I think if they would have all campaigned here, and it would have been done by the rules....there would have been a different outcome. She still may have come out ahead on the popular vote, but it would have been markedly less IMO.
Are you trying to say that the DNC fixed this so it wouldn't count?
To the post below me....what do you have to say about Whitewater? That's crooked right there, and yet somehow it is going totally unmentioned this year. Why? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:43:04 PM | SimmahDahnNah, it ain't going to be alright. Would you have stood idly by and let a candidate that you knew was supported by Al Capone be nominated to be President of the United States?
I'm telling you this man is a crook. The major networks are so firmly in bed with this guy they refuse to report on these facts that any one could uncover with just a little research.
I'm reminded of a TV show I saw once. One of the characters got taken by a con man.
She said to her friend, "But he had such an honest face."
And her friend said, "Did you ever hear of a successful con man who didn't?"
PhillyFellow | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:45:50 PM | Alright Vyper bud. How about tonight, say around 9 pm. I know the place you're talking about. It's not too far from me.
PhillyFellow | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:49:57 PM | Obama is already declaring himself the Dem. Nominee and taking shots at McCain. Too many links to give. Anyone can check it out.
McCain is still staying fairly low key.
I think the potshots are going to come from Obama when the race really gets going. McCain's record is quite long in Congress and the Military so he's pretty much an open book. Not much will be found on him that isn't already known.
And, yes, Obama is being mucho supported monetarily by a known mobster.
Like I've said, his warchest (campaign funding) highly outnumbers Clinton and McCain. He will have the media blitz on his side. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:53:34 PM | Jedi, I think I'm going to start saving your posts in a word document for future reference. lol I don't think Obama is going to be the one taking 'pot shots'. In fact, I look forward very much to the day Hillary is out of the way and McCain and Obama can duke it out mono a mono.
VioletSkye posted in more than one place facts on how and when Obama gave back or gave to charity the contributions that were linked to Rezko.....just want to make sure you saw those.
His warchest is so full because people like me donated $10....in droves. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 4:58:40 PM | Simmah,
That's cool about saving my posts. Others have in the past. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. If I'm right, I won't say 'I told ya so'...because if I'm right... McCain will bring the true bipartisanship and things needed to 'get done' in Congress will. That will benefit America and that's the main thing I'm hoping for.
We shall see, those of us who remain on the Forum here, over time, if McCain can pull this Country out of the mess that both Clinton, Bush Admins., Congress and the dumb PCness ( in areas where it should never have been) have created.
Hope so! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:13:30 PM | Honestly, I think whoever gets in there will work toward bipartisanship. Obama has said many times that party lines are bunk and he has worked on many bills that have been signed by both parties.
I think that's really the worst part of politics. The whole rep/dem thing. We need to just find happy mediums and work together. Our country is in the crapper and whoever is in office, rep or dem, if they love the country they serve, needs to work toward the betterment of everyone. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:48:49 PM | It's getting better, or worse, depending on your point of view :
Hillary turns fire on media
PORTLAND, Ore. – Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign is increasingly aiming its punches not at her front-running opponent Barack Obama, but at the media.
On the campaign trail, in a new ad and in her meetings with donors and superdelegates, she blasts the D.C. punditocracy for counting her out and urges anyone who’ll listen to ignore the hardening storyline that places Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee.
The goal is twofold. Clinton, a New York senator, wants to stanch the flow of uncommitted superdelegates to Obama, an Illinois senator, by convincing them she can still win the nomination. She also wants to generate a protest vote in the four states that have yet to hold primaries, as well as in Puerto Rico.
The Clinton camp believes a media backlash drove up turnout among her supporters in West Virginia, which last week delivered a landslide 67 percent to 26 percent victory for her.
“Because I believe that I am better prepared to be president and I am more likely to be able to win, I don’t care what the pundits say. I’m going to leave it up to the voters,” Clinton said Friday night at a televised town hall meeting at Portland’s NBC affiliate. She said pundits have been counting her out “since Iowa and the voters always prove them wrong. I mean, I’ve been declared dead so many times and luckily it’s been premature and I’m hoping it stays premature.”
Also on Friday, Clinton’s campaign began airing an ad in Oregon, which holds its primary Tuesday, that pits her against the Beltway media elites.
The ad, titled "What's Right," shows video snippets of a cadre of television show hosts who have dismissed or downplayed Clinton’s chances – NBC’s Tim Russert, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and MSNBC anchors Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews.
Their voices are muted, and a narrator intones over their images: “In Washington, they talk about who's up and who's down. In Oregon, we care about what's right and what's wrong.”
The spot goes on to tout Clinton’s support for universal health care and her opposition to “No Child Left Behind” and the Bush administration energy plan.
The late placement of the ad in Oregon is somewhat curious, since Obama is favored to win the state handily and since the state administers its elections by mail. By some estimates, as much as 60 percent of Democratic primary ballots have already been cast.
aken together, the three ads illustrate the nearly 180-degree pivot Clinton’s campaign has made since she entered the race early last year as the overwhelming favorite to secure the Democratic nomination.
Back then, she criticized the anti-corporate, anti-special interest rhetoric of her chief rivals Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as overly simplistic. She pledged to work with all sides to forge compromises. And her campaign encouraged media characterizations of her as the inevitable nominee.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10420.html
Another week, and her head's going to start spinning like Linda Blair's . | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:50:36 PM |
Another week, and her head's going to start spinning like Linda Blair's .
I hope she doesn't throw up the same pea soup that linda blair did! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:53:32 PM | I need a young superdelegate and an old superdelegate .
(yells) the power of the DNC compels you... the power of the DNC compels you!!! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:59:32 PM | Can any of the McCain camp here (Jedi? Others?) show me how his present platform differs materially from the current administration? I confess a certain measure of ignorance here, since I haven't spent a "rash" of time following the Republican debates (and prefer NOT to conclude too much about the candidates from sound-bite snippets reported in the press). But, what little I HAVE learned from listening to McCain (himself) speak, and reading articles articulating his positions, he seems very much the Republican "establishment" machine, reigning in (or, in some cases, outright abandoning) his previously-espoused positions to be much more closely aligned with G-Dubya's.
So, while I am already fairly aware of how he is substantially similar (which, on its face, is frightening enough), I want to hear about how he is different ... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 6:14:57 PM |
I think that's really the worst part of politics. The whole rep/dem thing. We need to just find happy mediums and work together.
Precisely! All of these people have forgotten they are "public servants" and we've neglected to hold them to serve us. If I vote for a Republican as I have and a Democrat says something that's a good idea, my servant had better give that idea some consideration. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/17/2008 6:25:46 PM |  MG, that is some funny sh!t. Maybe it's because I'm an Austin Powers fan...
I suspected her of being possessed ever since she said, "We are the President!" | |
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