| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:38:38 AM |
Now... will you PLEASE stop beating this particular horse? The poor thing's been dead for quite some time.
Bud, that issue is not going to go away, until those votes in those states are counted.
Can you imagine the hue and cry there would be if two entire states in the November general election went uncounted that were strongly supporting the other candidate than the eventual winner and that could have swung the election the other way? There would be hell to pay.
That's what's going to happen at the convention if those states aren't counted.
Man, I'm telling you, not only do the Hillary supporters don't like Obama they now believe he is a crook. There is no way they are going to let him get that nomination unless there is a full counting of all 50 states.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:42:49 AM | | True, aren't people still talking about Florida and 2000 Election? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 2:32:22 PM | Philly, I just don't see the point of bringing it up....the decision is made. Hillary doesn't like it because she didn't get what she wanted out of it. I honestly do not know the reason my state chose to hold the election early. I have a hard time believing someone was behind it all...... I think they just made some stupid decisions. Again, they were told if they held it early none of the delegates would be seated. They chose to go ahead with it. The candidates were made aware of this. Obama and Edwards chose to adhere to the rules of the election that were set up by the DNC and take their names off the ballot. Hillary, Gravel, and Kuchnick (sp) chose to leave their names on the ballot despite the knowledge that the delegates would not have a say and that it was against the rules of the election.
Now....after the fact, after it looked like Hillary 'won', she wants the votes counted. I say quityercryin Hillary and deal with the consequences. Edwards dropped out very soon after the MI election, and Obama consistently said he would go along with whatever the DNC decided was fair and the best resolution. He still is...why isn't she?
I have not personally written letters to Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, or Gov. Granholm asking why they did this, but I've got another letter cooking for Levin anyway...maybe I'll include that. lol | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 4:44:37 PM | I can't believe that anyone thinks that if Hillary lost FL and MI by the same margins in which she led versus Obama in FL and versus Not Her in MI that their rights to be counted would be any more important to her than they were last August. Too bad we don't have a crystal ball to the parallel universe where she did lose those states for those who don't know as they should what her opinion would be.
Why am I still talking about this? Come June 4 Hillary will just be a Jeopardy question alongside Shirley Chisholm. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 4:50:23 PM |
True, aren't people still talking about Florida and 2000 Election? Only sore looser, like democrats who like algore. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 4:53:10 PM |
Come June 4 Hillary will just be a Jeopardy question alongside Shirley Chisholm.
Difference being I maybe would have voted for Chisholm. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 4:57:07 PM |
Can you imagine the hue and cry there would be if two entire states in the November general election went uncounted
Is this assuming those 2 states decide to move their elections up ahead of Election Day?
that were strongly supporting the other candidate than the eventual winner and that could have swung the election the other way? There would be hell to pay.
Michigan certainly doesn't strongly support Clinton. Even with the a huge name recognition advantage and the 2 other major candidates sitting out, she only managed 55% of the vote. That's awful.
Also, even if you count Florida and Michigan (which would be ridiculous), it doesn't swing the election. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 5:09:08 PM |
So... his middle name is not mentionable?
It is fact. Thats his middle name.
How boorishly banal can you get. Jesuschrist.
Bud, that issue is not going to go away
Because people like you keep resurrecting it. Borrrrrrring. That BS is sooo yesterday but if that's all you've got to cling to, rant on. Hussein Hussein Hussein. There. 'Ya feel better? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 5:29:42 PM | | Blues, it seems that's one of the many boorish things his detractors keep bringing up. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 5:32:07 PM | Wait a minute....what? Obama's middle name is Hussein? OMG do people know about this?
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 5:59:19 PM |
Blues, it seems that's one of the many boorish things his detractors keep bringing up.
I never have.
I don't care about his middle name, it's not among the top 100 things that the guy has going against him. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 6:06:56 PM | There were alot of NOT HER votes in Michigan. 
Without Obama on the ballot, and so many of those votes, that sent a clear message: Shrillary is a LOSER and will have to bow out. Here's her when she finally gives up BOO HOO!!! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 6:27:16 PM | ^^^^^^
tomorrow Clinton may win Kentucky by double digits and she is only behind Obama by 5% in Oregon according to polls today, this is amazing since her chances of winning the nomination are very low
so why are people still supporting her and why haven't the superdelegates ended this race?
because, many democrats simply don't trust Obama and aren't sure he is the right person to lead our country
so if you think that Clinton supporters will automatically flock to Obama because they're democrats, you're wrong...
I'm sure the Republicans are very happy with all of your divisive comments, I know they have really impressed me~
below, MG I have read the platforms on all 3 candidates and that's my point, as much as I hate this war and have always been against it, I still haven't been convinced that Obama is the man you THINK he is, which means that you will write me off as either cynical or a sore loser, but honest to god, I've voted democrat since I was 17 and this is the first time that my heart is telling me, something is just not right here-
DW, your constant bashing of Mrs Clinton is in one word disgusting, I would NEVER speak of Obama as you have Clinton, regardless of how you feel about her, she deserves respect.... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 6:29:11 PM |
so if you think that Clinton supporters will automatically flock to Obama because they're democrats, you're wrong...
Read those threads on McCain's platform and campaign staff reeeeeealllly carefully.
If you don't vote Democratic, that's your future for the next four years laid right out for all of you to see.
That's not fear mongering, it's the truth. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 6:57:13 PM |
Wait a minute....what? Obama's middle name is Hussein? OMG do people know about this?
Sshhhhhhhhhh. Don't be spreading that around LMAO  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 6:59:21 PM | Not sure where you got your info, edisto, but real clear politics shows Obama ahead by 12 points in Oregon with 52 delegates at stake, and Clinton ahead 29 in Kentucky with 51 delegates at stake.
The overal popular vote, which Hillary claimed just today that she's ahead in, shows Obama ahead. "Popular Vote Total 16,108,538 49.3% 15,512,424 47.5"
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:02:18 PM | | He just got two more super delegates from, guess where, W. VA. LOL. Gotta love it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:03:37 PM | source on polls-
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/19/oregon-and-kentucky-a-world-apart-in-the-polls/
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:07:10 PM |
More than 2,000 miles away in Oregon, where voters will also cast ballots Tuesday, Obama is leading Clinton by four percentage points, 45%-41%. Overall, Obama has a 10.8% lead over Clinton according to an average compiled by RealClearPolitics.com. Obama’s lead has varied greatly in Oregon polls — a recent American Research Group gave him a 5% point lead, 50%-45%, but a poll by the Portland Tribune gave him a double digit 20% lead, 55%-35%.
That's from that link. I'm just sayin.
Hillary is actually talking at her rallys about Rove's analysis. That's desperation. lol | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:13:38 PM | this is also from the link-
"If Sen. Barack Obama is on the verge of securing the Democratic nomination, there’s no sign of it in Kentucky, which holds its primary Tuesday. The Illinois senator is consistently trailing rival Sen. Hillary Clinton by double-digits.
In a Suffolk University poll out today, Clinton has a 26 percentage point lead, 51%-25%. In other recent polls, that margin holds steady, with Clinton up by 36% in an American Research Group poll, by 27% points by a Research 2000 poll and up by 25% by a Rasmussen poll." | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:17:30 PM | | Ok, I still don't think WV and KY are enough to declare her a clear winner. The delegates and supers are just not going for her. It will be interesting to see what happens toward the end of the week as far as the supers go....look at what Bluesman just posted. lol WV isn't even cold from her visit yet, and-- oops--2 supers! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:23:54 PM | | The reality is that she'd have to win Kentucky and Oregon by 90% to even make a dent in Obama's lead. Ain't gonna happen. Live with it. :) | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:39:02 PM | MG at 1363:
Pot ? Meet Kettle.
I had the link to that recorded radio broadcast. I stated a few pages back that Hillary herself represented that the votes in those states didn't count, and even offered up her explanation that she stayed on the ballot as a tactical measure to preclude the Republicans from gaining any advantage, rather than because she took any objection or offense to the votes not counting. I put it out there for a naysayer to challenge my claim ( ), but no one bit at it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:51:02 PM |
The reality is that she'd have to win Kentucky and Oregon by 90% to even make a dent in Obama's lead. Ain't gonna happen. Live with it. :)
Obama still hasn't been able to close the deal with working class people- "live with that" | |
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