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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:59:50 PM |
Obama still hasn't been able to close the deal with working class people- "live with that"
But he HAS been able to decisively close the deal with the better-educated of our working class. That's gotta count for something, doesn't it?  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 8:02:10 PM | ^^ I'll leave that one alone. lol Hillary is over 300 delegates shy of winning the nomination, Obama only needs 100something.
Anderson Cooper just said that...that's my source. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 8:15:28 PM | Obama definitely holds the lead in the welfare class...
And he'll pull 100% of the muslim vote...
He has a few blocks of votes sewn up.
Unfortunately there is a real chance of him getting elected.
As much as I HATE the Clintons... Hillary would be better for the country than Obama.
We are again (5th time in a row) going to be presented with a Novemer ballot that will have many people voting AGAINST someone who they believe to be bad for the ountry, rather than for someone they think will do a good job.
Thank you to both parties for working to ruin the USA. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 8:31:44 PM | So will we be able to finally close this thread in the second or third week of June, or does anyone think it'll still be raging in November? 
We're fast approaching sixty pages and may be running a risk of crashing the POF Forum server.
What's the next topic, Spitfire? I think this one has been done to death. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:21:00 PM | This thread or one like it will rage forever.
Until we figure out a way to get someone decent elected to every seat in Washington(which won't easilly happen under the current system) we'll have plenty of reason to complain about those the major parties offer on the ballot. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:32:41 PM |
why haven't the superdelegates ended this race?
Haven't they? He's taken a lead in SD's AFTER Ohio and Texas, AFTER Pennsylvania, and AFTER West Virginia after a triple digit deficit in SDs. She now has to play out the primaries, she now has to raise money against her debt, mathematically she's eliminated, and the SDs are waiting until all states have had primaries. The SDs give her a couple of days before putting her out but she will bow out in the first week after Puerto Rico so she doesn't suffer being put out of the race.
Over. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:50:40 PM | They are essentially letting it play out so she has a chance to continue fundraising to "pay back" the money she "loaned her campaign" out of "her own bank accounts."
(basicly giving her a chance to "whitewater" herself some extra money...)
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:55:35 PM | If her supporters want to give her money to help her recoup her losses... what harm is there in that?
Many of the folks in Congress are in constant campaign mode nowadays... raising money that has a significant portion going to support their lavish lifestyles in the restaurants and bars of the capitol. Why should Hillary stop campaigning just because she lost the election? She's gonna need that money later on... for something I'm sure. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 10:00:58 PM |
Obama still hasn't been able to close the deal with working class people- "live with that"
Tsk tsk tsk. Do I note a little hostility there?  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 10:36:15 PM | ^^^^^^
hostility?
tsk tsk tsk
no-
you've simply misunderstood yet another one of my posts...
I was responding to your gloating remark ended with "live with it"
I would have thought you'd understand the nuance of my statement since you're a "better-educated working class" Obama supporter~
below:
sorry, but I'm a life long democrat so you can't lump me in a neat Republican package or suggest that I have some inane fear of him, your attempts to do this is an attempt to belittle my choice to support Clinton, and nothing you can say can do that....
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 10:43:48 PM | | Aw c'mon. You just can't stand losing (i.e. backing McSame). I understand. We all have our ups and downs. You'll get used to it. Not to worry. When Obama becomes president, he won't make you pray to Mecca. Trust me. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 10:49:55 PM |
Not to worry. When Obama becomes president, he won't make you pray to Mecca. Trust me.
When I read that... I felt a cold chill go through me and the hair on my neck prickled.
Yikes!
Here's hoping the middle class Americans come out in droves and gives McCain an overwhelming key to the WH in Nov. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/19/2008 11:08:26 PM | Sure, keeping in mind it's okay to feel afraid and still THINK rationally at the same time. This is actually possible....over time...
The middle class is being stomped on enough to figure out that rich, neo-cons want every last dollar they make, including their tax dollars, to further their own economic gain. When it comes down to it, we've all suffered enough to know the pendulum has to swing in the other direction now... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 12:05:11 AM | Here's hoping the middle class Americans come out in droves and gives McCain an overwhelming key to the WH in Nov.
That's really saddening to me as a Democrat. I recall when the Democratic debates in this campaign got started some months back, both the pundits AND the candidates acknowledged that Hillary and Barack were almost indistinguishable on their positions and platforms. Each of the candidates initially struggled to find some way to differentiate him/herself from the other. There were a few VERY slight differences on their respective approaches to universal healthcare but, aside from that, they were pretty much the same on their view and plan for the future America.
Ultimately, Hillary's strategists broke out with the whole "experience" strategy; and Barack's broke out with the whole "change in Washington business" strategy. Still, they were really MUCH more alike than they were different -- almost identical.
Enter a few months of mudslinging, pandering, and distracting from the core political and social issues that concerned America -- and the usage of Karl Rovian Republican smear tactics that injected a bitter vitriol, and created racial, gender, age, and other demographical divides -- between the Democratic supporters, and we have regressed to quotes like that highlighted above.
In this contest supporters from BOTH camps have sworn that they'd vote for the common philosophical foe of BOTH Democratic candidates, if their candidate didn't win.
Now, here we are ... in the twilight of this contest ... and Hillary appears all but certain to lose to one who has proven to be a very competent and worthy campaign adversary.
And, while I can understand the Independent and Republican crossovers, who came to support Hillary, choosing to cross back over to McCain's camp. It saddens me greatly to see "so-called" Democrats, who are SO bitter and angry that their candidate was not the victor that they are ready to cross over and support the philosophically-opposite politician, over the victorious Democratic candidate whose positions and mandate are virtually identical to those of their own fallen candidate.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 1:05:10 AM | Hey Vyp,
We're not just bitter and angry that our lady hasn't been elected, we're bitter and angry at the absolute disrespect given to her and to us throughout this entire election process not only by the worshippers of Obama but by the whole of the entire liberal media who are supposed to be fair and reasonable -- and they were anything but!
We're sick and tired of the childish name calling of a candidate we think highly of and we're tired of people who tried to push her out of the bloody race months ago, not just days ago! And just maybe, these "so-called" Democrats have better sense than to vote for a phonier than a two dollar bill, pompous, passive, elitist kid who can't get the job done.
And just maybe we prefer, in this case, the older more seasoned candidate, despite his platform and views being a little more conservative than we would have liked; still he's more reliable, more trustworthy, and is going to be a lot more experienced and dependable than the alternative.
What's sad is that it didn't have to be this way and it's too late to go back and fix it now. Sorry about that Howard Dean -- bad call. The disenfranchised voters of Florida and Michigan will likely feel the same come November. When you show your fellow Democrats absolute and utter disrespect on an ongoing and regular basis, it isn't likely that they are going to turn around and follow your wishes or do it your way come November.
Get used to it.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 2:45:20 AM |
We're sick and tired of the childish name calling of a candidate we think highly of
a phonier than a two dollar bill, pompous, passive, elitist kid who can't get the job done.
What's wrong with this picture? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 3:43:35 AM | Message 1418, the only childish name calling I've heard or seen in this entire process has been right here on POF. The media is not doing it, and people 'in real life' are not doing it, not that I've seen.
That whole posts just overwhelmingly comes across that you vote with your emotions, not your brain. People have been talking about her leaving the race because she has not been doing what a candidate was supposed to have been doing in terms of numbers...for quite a while now--not because of some personal vendetta against her or her supporters. You call us Obama worshipers....that is a little condescending as well, don't you agree? I do not worship Obama, and I really don't think anyone here supporting him does either. I like the man, and I think he is the best one to lead the nation, but I do not wake up and pray to Obama.
Say what you will about the disenfranchised voters, but it would be against a very important thing we hold dear--the voting process--to allow the primary in our respective states to sway our votes to 'the other team' out of bitterness toward that (major) gaffe.
Take a step back and look at things from a bigger perspective and take the sins of the DNC and what you feel are the sins of the media away from it and what do you have when you look at the issues? If you want the best for this country, you will have to make your choice based on only the issues, not how upset you were that Hillary (in your eyes) got snubbed by the media. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 4:02:08 AM | Vyper, yes, it is sad to see .........squabbling, divisive Americans who are misinformed, heads full of fancies and fantasies, little grasp on the realities .... it's like Babel, an election in Babel except its not just language its reality vs. fantasy and fantasy is winning.
I dont believe in the devil, but I swear I have seen the work of the devil in some of the posts Ive read in these forums around this election.
Just so anyone who is reading this is clear, it is a proven fact that Barak and Michelle Obama are followers of an obscure Muslim monkey god cult and Michelle is their high priestess (thats why Barak is so passive and subservient to her) and they plan to perform human sacrifices on the White House lawn and eat the beating hearts of their sacrificial victims ALIVE. It will all come out after the elections.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:29:13 AM |
Vyper, yes, it is sad to see .........squabbling, divisive Americans who are misinformed, heads full of fancies and fantasies, little grasp on the realities .... it's like Babel, an election in Babel except its not just language its reality vs. fantasy and fantasy is winning.
Oh yes, of course, we can't see that Obama is a god and that he's your god and that he can change the world, kumbaya, let's all chant Obama-Obama-Obama, just like at your big 75,000 rallies where everything is going to change and be okay with just the magical whisper of Obama's voice. "Yes we can. Yes, we can!"
We're all deluded and locked in a fantasy world except for you who follow Obama. We shouldn't even have the right to vote unless we are willing to cast our votes for Obama. And we aren't "real" Democrats if we don't want Obama, we're false/fake and are really Republicans's in sheeps clothing..lol.
I think it's clear who's living in fantasy land, Steven. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:00:22 AM | She miscalculated her primary opponent because she convinced herself he was not qualified to be president . She selected the wrong team to run her campaign . That team bet everything on " Super Tuesday" and did not have a back up plan . Her husband released the African-American vote to switch to Obama after revealing remarks . And she disregarded a prime candidate rule in politics ............never use your own money to support your campaign . If you can not gather money freely from supporters you will not get enough votes to win .
How does this translate to the office of President of the United States ? Miscalculating our enemies can put the security of the country at risk . We must all share a common view of reality , Obama is qualified . Selecting the wrong people , vice-president , cabinet , ambassadors etc. will guarantee failure in government . Approving the correct strategy and plans to run the country is part of the job of a president . We are now witnessing how wrong things can go . Spokesmen for the president can cause problems with world relations by choosing the wrong words . She could not control her own husband , should we expect more from non-relatives ? If you can not control the economy of a campaign can we expect you to control the economy of the United States? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:01:00 AM | Not to worry. When Obama becomes president, he won't make you pray to Mecca. Trust me.[/.i]
When I read that... I felt a cold chill go through me and the hair on my neck prickled.
Yikes!
Here's hoping the middle class Americans come out in droves and gives McCain an overwhelming key to the WH in Nov.
First of all, for all the UNINFORMED here, Obama is a Christian, so close the window and you won't get chilled, okay?
Secondly, as a non-Christian myself, how do you think every single NON Christian feel every time Christians start praying to their god at everything from Rotary Business meetings, to High School football games and even Congressional sessions?
Even though Obama is a Christian, Muslim is the fastest growing religion in the world and the day will come where America will be a "muslim nation". I wonder how all these Christians are going to feel when a prayer to Allah is given before every event.....
The entire MUSLIM (boo!!!!) issue with Obama is a Neocon, Fear-Mongering thing. Saying that you are afraid of a Muslim prayer is playing into the entire thing. Muslims are no worse (or better) than Christians.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:43:57 AM | SimmahDahnNah, as I mentioned before it is likely in the DNC meeting on May 31st they will vote to change the delegate penalty against Florida and Michigan to the 50% it should have been in the first place. This will mean the popular votes in those states will count. Given Clinton's big leads in some of the remaining primaries while trailing by only small numbers in the others this will likely mean she will wind up with the lead in the popular vote. A key determining factor in who should get the nomination.
Note also that when those delegates are added in, the number of pledged delegates required to secure the nomination also increases. So the Obama camp claiming they will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination at the end of the primaries becomes even less valid. And of course the difference between the two candidates in pledged delegates will be significantly reduced because she won those states big.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:50:12 AM |
Republicans from gaining any advantage, rather than because she took any objection or offense to the votes not counting. I put it out there for a naysayer to challenge my claim ( ), but no one bit at it.
Vyper, I wouldn't care if it were JFK, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington saying the those states should lose all their delegates.
The decision was against the DNC rules committee own rules and must be rescinded.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/20/2008 7:27:46 AM | I've asked this so many times, but have never gotten a cogent answer from anyone. If the reason for Barack Obama's close, personal 20-year relationship with the good Reverend wasn't due to racism, tolerance of racism, or total stupidity (you'd have to be living under a rock not to know what this guy was about) -- then what is the explanation? Obama used Wright as a stepping-stone into the local Chicago political areana.
75,000 ? What's the maximum amount Hillary's ever drawn to hear her speak, or McCain ? Obama makes speeches where he can gain the most propaganda value. I think his ego is fragile too. If he shows up at a place where he will not be warmly received, he gets no positive press and his ego takes a hit. If Obama were elected president, what's he going to do, only travel to areas where there won't be any protests? You think Hillary has got any trouble travelling to area where she isn't popular? Of course the joke answer is "sure she ain't popular anywhere!" :+) | |
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