| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:37:26 PM | | She's loosing because all that's left for her in the Democratic primaries are the voters George Wallace used to get in places like Kentucky, West Virginina and Indiana. Since 1972 those voters have been solid Republicans only going back to Democrat when the GOP candidate has been weak (Ford '76) (Dole '96) (McCain '08) or the GOP was headed for disaster ... Nov.2008 | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:39:30 PM | I just can't believe you're serious Phil. I mean it almost moves me to tears to see someone post an assertion that "Using this scientific formula based upon my personal preference and my own desired outcome, this is a viable total" and actually consider it to be valid. It's not even close to showing a grasp on reality. In MI, no one voted for Obama nor Edwards.. they voted AGAINST HILLARY and was within 10%.
Then to say that it's not based on what it is actually defined upon which to be based (delegates) and believe that displays a further departure from understanding. In the primaries and general elections YOU ARE NOT VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE! This isn't a secret. It was taught to us in school. So why would the popular vote matter when in a primary it is SOLELY BASED ON DISTRICTS ELECTING THEIR ELECTORS!!! The Pledged Delegates are who you are voting for and not the candidates. At least when I was in 8th Grade, you had 3 chances to know this or you don't graduate Jr. High in Illinois.
Oh well, this thread can go on and on after she drops out the first week of June. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:41:47 PM |
(CNN) – Sen. Barack Obama pocketed two more of his party’s superdelegates Friday.
California congressmen Jim Costa and Dennis Cardoza are endorsing the Illinois senator, according to a statement released by his campaign.
“While I continue to greatly respect and admire Senator Clinton and feel she has made history with her campaign, I believe that Senator Obama will inevitably be our party’s nominee for President,” Cardoza, who had previously supported Sen. Hillary Clinton, said in the statement.
That makes it :
1,969 Obama (311 superdelegates)
1,779 Clinton (279 superdelegates)
Needed to Win: 2,026
57 more delegates, and it's over.
If my count is correct, that's the third superdelegate that she's lost. She can't afford to lose any.
RCP Average
Obama 47.9
McCain 42.9
Obama +5.0
General Election: McCain vs. Clinton
RCP Average
Clinton 46.0
McCain 44.5
Clinton +1.5
Democratic Presidential Nomination
RCP Average
Obama 52.0
Clinton 40.0
Obama +12.0
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
It's over. It's been over for a while, but it's even MORE over now. : | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:53:39 PM | .
Has Obama WON? Where all those Supers... maybe after P/R? and a huge loss?
All those polls do not reflect on the Election. Where is Obama's swing state?
He will not carry it with out the Hispanic, Hillary Women, over 45, Jewish, Ignorate White, vote...
Hillary said she was going to stay in the Race until there is a winner.... A LONG TIME AGO.
You don't respect her for not quiting like GORE and KERRY.... is Obama like them??? I forget you would not vote or respect her anyway.
She's loosing because all that's left for her in the Democratic primaries are the voters George Wallace used to get
Geo Wallace didn't get many of the 2.5 million voters in Puerto Rico. It is interesting the Democratic Party has so many Bigots and Racists all 17 million... | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:55:23 PM |
In MI, no one voted for Obama nor Edwards.. they voted AGAINST HILLARY and was within 10%. I think they could have chosen Kucinich too. He left his name on the ballot.
all that's left for her in the Democratic primaries are the voters George Wallace used to get in places like Kentucky, West Virginina and Indiana. Since 1972 those voters have been solid Republicans only going back to Democrat when the GOP candidate has been weak Incorrect. George Wallace in 1968 didn't carry KY WV or IN. He won five deep south states. WV in 1980 and 1988 voted Democrat. I hope you aren't implying Reagan and GHWB were weak Republican candidates.
Sorry to pollute this thread with historical facts. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:59:45 PM |
It's over. It's been over for a while, but it's even MORE over now. Real Clear Politics has a left lean. I'm not sure how they create their data samples. Their data source is likely tilted and not random. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:00:44 PM | The target's now McCain, and every second you now spend not directing the attention on the rather obvious reasons people shouldn't vote for McCain, every missed moment of working as hard as you can to research the man, and point out those reasons to the American voter - you're wasting time, and risking a loss.
There's a lot of work to be done, a lot of hours to be spent, and this is where the focus must be if you want to win in November.
This isn't about a candidate, or a party. It's about the country.
It's about the direction your country is being pushed towards with McCain and the neocons, it's about the overwhelming number of Bush people on his campaign staff. It's what this means to your nation if he wins. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:05:09 PM | http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.htm
May 23, 2008 --
Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.
"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out..
Clinton made her comments at a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board while campaigning in South Dakota, where she complained that, "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa."
Obama, the first African-American to advance so far in the race for the White House, has faced threats, sources have said.
Robert Kennedy, the younger brother of President John F. Kennedy, was gunned down in 1968 after winning the California primary. He had been a hero on the left for his civil rights agenda and calls to end the war in Vietnam.
Barack Obama, who leads Clinton by nearly 200 delegates and has already secured a majority of pledged delegates, has been the subject of threats. Early in the campaign, the Secret Service gave him a security detail at the request of Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Illinois).
Clinton criticized an "urgency" to end the campaign prematurely, saying, "Historically, that makes no sense." | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:24:46 PM | Itechman, if Obama made a foolish choice to take himself off the Michigan ballot then that's his problem.
Nobody knows for sure who those votes would have gone for. It is certainly true some would have gone to the other candidates. We do know the numbers that went for Clinton.
Now do you understand why I've been saying all along it was an EXTRAORDINARILY stupid thing to do for the DNC rules committee to fully strip those states of their delegates?
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:26:06 PM | This is so far out of control it's not even funny. All of a sudden now it's sexism? All of a sudden now the people that stayed home are getting counted in as "guestimated" votes? What the frack.
Sexism, good lord, if anyone wants to cry sexism, you need to grow your own set. That is laughable. And embarrassing. And irrelevant. And idiotic.
Philly...will you leave Michigan and Florida out of it? You are not even representing it correctly. Now listen closely.....Obama and Edwards took their names off the ticket to comply with the rules of the Democratic National Convention......repeat after me....it was not their fault, their choice, or their doing. Hillary did not, could not have won any popular votes in a state where people did not have a fair vote, did not vote for her (remember Romney?) and did not even go out to vote, some of them. She did not and will not win Michigan's votes. And if Michigan and Florida for some unearthly reason push her ahead to make her the nominee and NOT Obama, who won it fair and square.....I will be marching my happy a$$ down to Lansing myself and get in Mr. Levin's face.
Let's please somehow get out the Twilight Zone episode we've been living in and look at the facts. Hillary is not winning. Period. Oh...I said period...was that sexist? | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:37:41 PM |
Agreed. Hillary is just playing all the angles like a true Machiavellian.
Either that or she is being smart. She has the upper hand now. She'll use that to negotiate how to apportion the delegates from Michigan and Florida.
Note that now it is Obama who has been made the victim of the DNC rules committee's MONUMENTAL stupidity.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:41:08 PM |
She's loosing because all that's left for her in the Democratic primaries are the voters George Wallace used to get in places like Kentucky, West Virginina and Indiana. Since 1972 those voters have been solid Republicans only going back to Democrat when the GOP candidate has been weak (Ford '76) (Dole '96) (McCain '08) or the GOP was headed for disaster ... Nov.2008
The Dems won those states in two of those elections when they had a moderate/centrist candidate in Bill Clinton, which is exactly what Hillary Clinton is.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:48:01 PM |
She has the upper hand now. She'll use that to negotiate how to apportion the delegates from Michigan and Florida
They actually OFFERED her a compromise on Michigan, one that gave her the advantage in delegates, and she refused . 
Upper hand ? She's holding nada, nothing, rien.
She won't even accept a compromise that enables those voters votes to count. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:49:11 PM |
This is so far out of control it's not even funny. All of a sudden now it's sexism? All of a sudden now the people that stayed home are getting counted in as "guestimated" votes? What the frack.
All right then, SimmahDahnNah, let's follow the strict letter of the law and award Obama no popular votes from Michigan because he was not on the ballot of his own choice.
Keep in mind all this feldekarb was due to the DNC rules committee's INCOMPREHENSIBLE stupidity.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:57:12 PM | There are a lot of people that want to vote. Every vote has excitement and involvement for a lot of people.
Hillary said until someone wins.
Do the math no one has won.......She isn't going to quit.
If He is going to lead......... he needs to get with the program.
If he cannot lead and join his party....... he will NEVER be able to heal the USA......
What states can he win???
McCain cannot get any press.... he is a non issue right now.
. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:57:18 PM |
They actually OFFERED her a compromise on Michigan, one that gave her the advantage in delegates, and she refused.
Why should she when she can have all of them once she had the strong upper hand of the popular vote lead.
Look guys it's very simple. It was STUNNINGLY stupid of the DNC rules committee to fully strip those two states of their delegates.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| |
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:00:55 PM |
So why would the popular vote matter when in a primary it is SOLELY BASED ON DISTRICTS ELECTING THEIR ELECTORS!!! The Pledged Delegates are who you are voting for and not the candidates.
Itechman, if the superdelegates were to vote based solely on which direction their own district went then Clinton would again wind up with the lead.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:02:15 PM |
The target's now McCain, and every second you now spend not directing the attention on the rather obvious reasons people shouldn't vote for McCain, every missed moment of working as hard as you can to research the man, and point out those reasons to the American voter - you're wasting time, and risking a loss.
That is why we must choose the strongest candidate to beat him - Hillary Clinton.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:05:36 PM |
That is why we must choose the strongest candidate to beat him - Hillary Clinton.
I am telling you that if she wins...........she better pick you PHILLYFELLOW as the VP
| |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:05:46 PM |
Geez Louise at this point you could award ALL THE FREAKING Michigan and Florida delegates to Hillary and she would still lose.
I'll take that offer.
PhillyFellow | |
|
| |
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:22:59 PM | Fred, we'll see who has the last laugh when the honorific placed before President is
"Madame"
PhillyFellow | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:23:54 PM | And while she continues to build this case for the benefit of the Superdelegates that are well aware of the real totals and the fictitious ones.... Today's Superdelegate count... Obama 5, Clinton -1.
I don't know what it takes to recognize that the Democratic Party has already chosen their candidate and they are just waiting for her to not make them force her out. While I understand what she meant, the RFK comment may have been the TKO as far as Superdelegates are concerned. | |
|
| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/23/2008 2:29:32 PM |
Either that or she is being smart. She has the upper hand now. She'll use that to negotiate how to apportion the delegates from Michigan and Florida.
Hillary is cunning, devious, and persistent; but she's not playing it smart. Hillary doesn't have much leverage on the delegate issue to begin with; but if she were smart, she would focus on the behind-the-scenes negotiations with members of the Rules Committee and Credentials Committee. That's where the issues concerning the delegates can be handled. She should be handling it privately. Instead, she's causing the party to look bad by making inane and contradictory comments to the media. That does nothing but piss off the party leaders. It's not helping her. | |
|
Home
login 
