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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/24/2008 2:57:53 PM |
It was by U.S. Representative Corrine Brown of Florida:
Perhaps Ms. Brown should not have voted to break the rules in the first place. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/24/2008 2:58:48 PM | Where are all these examples of Hillary's 'dynamic leadership'?
Good question, Simlasa.
The 1993 health-care fiasco......Travelgate......The Belfast hyperbole......Failure to write and pass major legislation......A disastrous presidential campaign.
There is no evidence that Hillary has ever conveyed any real leadership ability. There are lots of power grabs and grandstanding attempts. Those things don't convey leadership. She hasn't communicated the sense that she would be an effective leader. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/24/2008 3:07:22 PM | No Shammy, she is a United States Congresswoman, not a member of the Florida state legislature. As I said the democratic members of the state legislature in Florida tried to overturn the bill introduced by the republicans but couldn't because the republicans had an overwhelming majority, as well as the bill being supported by the republican governor of Florida.
PhillyFellow | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/24/2008 3:19:10 PM |
No Shammy, she is a United States Congresswoman, not a member of the Florida state legislature. As I said the democratic members of the state legislature in Florida tried to overturn the bill introduced by the republicans but couldn't because the republicans had an overwhelming majority, as well as the bill being supported by the republican governor of Florida.
My mistake.
My only argument was with the idea (not made by you) that this whole mess was totally a creation of Florida Republicans, when Florida Democrats were in on it too. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/24/2008 8:12:16 PM | Here's another question I have re Hillary and this "Great White Hope" concept. 
If she's the people's choice, if she's such a powerhouse in the political market, why is she so much in the red, and putting so much of her own money in to keep herself afloat ?
Where's the public support, in donations ? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/24/2008 10:26:24 PM | | If people think about it, I'm sure most would agree that we don't someone running the country (during a time of massive federal debt) who can't even keep her own campaign solvent. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 7:58:58 AM |
Where's the public support, in donations ? The media "appointed" Obama as the presumptive winner of the party nomination. This essentially has dried up most of Hillary's contributions. Or people with a rudimentary understanding of probability know her chances amount to a snowball in hell.  If the positions of Hillary and Obama were reversed, would Obama supporters continue to donate to his lost cause? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 8:53:02 AM |
The media "appointed" Obama as the presumptive winner of the party nomination. This essentially has dried up most of Hillary's contributions.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you just making up reasons now?
From the beginning, long before anyone thought Obama could/would win he was getting very small donations from an incredibly massive number of people.
Clinton was getting maximum contributions from her wealthy supporters and "the elite"...
When the battle heated and they both needed to go back to the well for more money, Obama was able to ask his minions to donate just a little more, while poor Clinton's well was dry. Hell, she doesn't even believe in her own champaign!!!! She "lent" herself her own damn money! Do you think any contributers to her campaign got to "LOAN" her money and if she lost, they'd get it back?
Different people are supporting each candidate and when you look at who those supporters are, you'll see why you'll be saying President Obama very soon.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:45:55 AM |
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you just making up reasons now? I'm not making anything up. In case you weren't following the news since early this year, after Obama got ahead of Hillary in the delegate count, all kinds of innuendos were applied in media outlets that Hillary should give up. Either directly though the words of political pundits on talk shows, or via statements that made comparisons to previous primary campaigns that have ended in February or after March's super Tuesday.
Obama was able to ask his minions to donate just a little more, while poor Clinton's well was dry. This has been stated ad nauseum in this thread. Obama was behind from the beginning, any winning strategy would involve him needing lots of $$$; Hillary incorrectly assumed she could "knock out" Obama with early February victories and she would not need deep pockets to get her message out. Her strategy failed, she fell behind despite substantial support (she's got practically the same popular support as Obama, her support certainly isn't something to be considered insignificant), she makes missteps (she's human), and the media puts those missteps under a microscope (example: the latest RFK comments). | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:54:26 AM | Lets make all of the states upset... and get a constitutional ammendment passed setting the presidential primary dates by the order the states joined the US. The 13 originals all get to open the primary season on one day and then the rest follow, 10 states a week. 5 weeks and the primaries are done.
And... there would be no way for any state to try to rearrange it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:59:36 AM | As for Hillary "lending" her campaign money...
That has to do with what happens to the money that is left in the campaign fund when the election is over.
By making it a loan... and assigning it an ingerest rate... she can have the campaign fund pay it back at a rate that insures she can take all the money home.
After Whitewater and her somehow making money on declining investments you think she is GIVING money to the campaign chest so that when she loses the DNC gets it for thier general fund?
she's laughing all the way to the bank.
Win or lose. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 10:42:13 AM | | What is the big deal with Iowa, New Hampshire, and the other two states needing so desperately to be the first states to hold caucuses or primaries first? It can't just be tradition. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 11:50:00 AM |
Lets make all of the states upset... and get a constitutional ammendment passed setting the presidential primary dates by the order the states joined the US. The 13 originals all get to open the primary season on one day and then the rest follow, 10 states a week. 5 weeks and the primaries are done.
How about EVERY state hold their primary on the same day and uses instant runoff voting? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 1:37:55 PM | I'd like to see a rotating system where different states get to have the first primaries each time. That would keep the system fair and interesting. The same two states (Iowa and New Hampshire) wouldn't get to enjoy the lion's share of attention each primary/caucus season. Switch it up each time.
Maybe when Hillary goes back to the Senate, she can turn her failed experience into something constructive and work on reforming the primary system. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 7:21:14 PM | Bikeman,
Actually, I don't think any primary in recent history has NOT gone to the delegate floor, that's why so many people are questioning what might be the motivation for this massive call from media and pundits for her to step aside since way back in February. I was reading a couple of blogs on that subject earlier this week - google Tom Watson, Taylor Marsh, Matt Stoller, Jane Hamsher. There seems to be a concentrated, and unprecedented, call for her withdrawal from the race, a whole lot of pontificating about how "the math" is against her, despite the fact that it is exceptionally close, not even counting Florida and Michigan, whatever they decide to do with those votes. Yet I think the last Democratic nomination saw someone behind by over 600 votes and it still went to the delegate floor and no one batted an eye. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 7:51:22 PM | PHIL-LAY!!! 
Incidentally, Man ... just in case you weren't aware of it (I assume you are, however) ANY agreement on what to do with the popular votes and pledged delegate allocation would have to agreed upon by both Hillary and Barack.
Now granted, Barack seems to be a pretty nice guy  , but I've got two bucks (sorry, dude, I'm jobless ) that say he's not nice enough to agree to any allocation which would take the lead in this race away from him. 
In other news ...
... "Clinton spoke of her determination to stay in the race despite trailing Illinois Sen. Obama, who picked up three more superdelegates in Hawaii on Sunday, giving him a total of 1,977 delegates, just 49 delegates short of the 2,026 needed to clinch the nomination. Clinton still has 1,779 ...
full story at: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/elections/presidential/19247584.html | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 7:53:10 PM | Obama is raising money by asking his supporters to send him at the most 25.00 per week. He is asking for only 1.00 per week. If 1 million people give 1.00 a week he will raise 1 million dollars a week.
Hillary is asking for donations from big pockets and they do not feel the confidence in her to put up that money.
The way Obama is raising mone no one loses.
Philly as I stated before. It must really feel bad to be in this situation when majority of the college educated blacks and whites have started supporting Obama.
He did not have this population in the beginning. He really did not have the college educated black population. So, I understand why you must continue to stand up for her in the mist of her falling down.
Sheila Jackson Lee is in that situation here in Houston. 90% of her district supported Obama. His headquarters here in Houston is in Sheila's district. She is up for re-election. I doubt she will win.
It will probably go to a young African American or better yet, Hispanic. Those day are over now. We no longer have to be the faithful sidekick. We can be Denzel or Hallie in the starring role.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:00:41 PM |
She hasn't communicated the sense that she would be an effective leader.
Obama has not communicated that he would be an effective leader...it is not only the words of Rev Wright that rings in my ears, but it is also the manipulation of the masses that rings even louder-
when Wright was on Bill Moyers he was this docile, intelligent, man, when he was in front of the Press Club he was outrageous, danced around, said off the wall things that he (and Obama) knew would incite the nation, this was a perfect political move on Obama's part, this staged event allowed Obama to cut ties with Wright and allowed Wright to keep his role in the church
for anyone who thinks this wasn't a planned event (a man going from passive with Moyers to berserk with the Press Club), you'll believe anything- | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:06:07 PM | | Oh drat, edisto! You must have missed my informative post about Hillary's religious affiliations....go ahead and check back a couple of pages....it's a great read and since you are quite concerned about religious affiliations, you might find it interesting. :) | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:21:41 PM | | ^^The sad thing about Hillary is that no one even needs to point to an acquaintance of Hillary's in order to criticize her. All anyone has to do is to examine her own statements. It will be interesting this next week as Hillary tries to convince those in her entourage (if there are any left) that she can still win this thing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:29:45 PM |
Posted By: itechman42
What is the big deal with Iowa, New Hampshire, and the other two states needing so desperately to be the first states to hold caucuses or primaries first? It can't just be tradition.
Simple:
Iowa has 2 claims to fame... the caucuses and corn.
New Hampshire only has one claim to fame... first primary.
You can't take away the only things they have that are meaningful...
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/26/2008 12:25:49 AM |
Obama has not communicated that he would be an effective leader...
One could credibly argue that he has shown a certain measure of effectiveness at leading a primary campaign. After all, to come from nowhere -- as a virtual unknown -- and run a strong second to the person who has been the presumptive Democratic nominee for the last five years or more, would have been an amazing feat -- to say the least -- ESPECIALLY considering that nominee carries the most powerful brand name in Democratic politics. But it is hard NOT to concede a "job, well done" for the virtual unknown to best that presumptive nominee in less than a year's time and all but secure the nomination himself.
So, whether you like him or not, trust him or not, or dispute whether or not he should be where he is today, it's pretty tough to argue that has yet to demonstrate that he is "effective" at leading.
Only time will tell whether he is anywhere NEAR as effective at leading a nation -- with its myriad of competing interests -- as he has proven to be with his campaign, but I think he has shown a respectable measure of effectiveness there. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/26/2008 5:15:53 AM |
Only time will tell whether he is anywhere NEAR as effective at leading a nation -- with its myriad of competing interests
I strongly believe (and, sure, I could be dead wrong, but I don't think so) that Obama will take to the White House (notice I capitalize that when it accompanies his name) the notion that the most important "interests" are OUR interests and not pharma big interests, not oil big interests, not banking big interests but OUR'S. Those interests have been ignored far too long. He's put it out there. Whether he trips over it or accomplishes it remains to be seen but I sure see him gliding to the finish line. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/26/2008 5:29:41 AM | | Hillary sets feminists 2 steps forward and 4 steps back. When running on "her own merit" doesn't work she uses the gender card. No one hardly ever calls her out on this. She cried gender foul when her health care plan was widely criticized and everytime she slips in the polls she's using gender or race. She seems willing to divide the party just to retain a last grab at power. She didn't run a campaign for the long haul...she thought it would be over in late febuary, she ignored the caucus process, under estimated the youth vote, and thought that african americans were in lock step with the Clintons that they could say anything and not pay a price for it. She should have ran on the change platform as opposed to Joe Lieberman "be like them" platform. She's hanging around and hanging on hoping that either her camp or John McCains camp can find something on the Obama campaign. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/26/2008 6:11:03 AM | She's proven to the world that old style politics that she has employed thus far in her campaign leadership superimposed by her own personality, the very thing Obama has been preaching over and over again, has not worked, isn't working (certainly not for us) and won't work unless and until there are certain fundamental realities we must face and come to grips with. It's going to require taking an honest approach to our problems. The alternative is to forever bury our heads in the sand, business as usual, one good ole' boy paying of another, and just surrender it willingly, quietly, without a wimper. Next step, "Soylent Green"  | |
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