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 PhillyFellow

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Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 5/28/2008 9:10:02 PM
Wednesday, May 28, 2008
Barack Potatoe Obama?
By Brent Bozell III
"Imagine that John McCain named a young running mate to campaign with him, and this national rookie suggested America had 58 states, repeatedly used the wrong names for the cities he was visiting, and honored a Memorial Day crowd by acknowledging the "fallen heroes" who were present, somehow alive and standing in the audience. How long would it take for the national media to see another Dan Quayle caricature? Let's raise the stakes. What if it was the GOP presidential candidate making these thoroughly ridiculous comments? This scenario is very real, except it isn't McCain. It's the other fellow.
"ABC reporter Jake Tapper follows politicians around for a living. On his blog, he suggested Barack Obama has a problem: "The man has been a one-man gaffe machine."
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/BrentBozellIII/2008/05/28/barack_potatoe_obama


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 itechman42

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Posted: 5/28/2008 9:16:59 PM
Phil... I'm not going to bring up the one-woman Gaffemaster but others will. Hang on.
 PhillyFellow

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Posted: 5/28/2008 9:20:33 PM
Itechman, as long as we agree Obama is just some dude, he doesn't walk on water, he's a politician and he even lies sometimes, then that's half the battle.

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 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 5/28/2008 9:39:20 PM
Too bad the nomination can't be decided by who has made the least gaffes from the stump. I suspect a lot of people don't realize the volume of faux pas' which have actually taken place during this process. Only some of them are exploited to the fullest, and others hardly even discussed.

If we could decide the nominee that way, I'd certainly feel a lot more comfortable about the reality of keeping McCain out of the White House come November.

-Suth'nBoy

 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/28/2008 9:47:46 PM

They're putting their own agendas before the good of the party or the country....all for the sake of history. The sad part is.....while trying to make history at any cost your becoming a sore eye in history
well it isn't this a fine example of the pot calling the kettle barrack......
 Vyper®

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Posted: 5/28/2008 10:33:40 PM
Itechman, as long as we agree Obama is just some dude, he doesn't walk on water, he's a politician and he even lies sometimes



Agreed. He is but a man ... a law-trained politician, never to be held beyond reproach. I don't know what the "lies" are that you refer to, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised to learn that there have been one or two. Someone else in the contest, however -- and I'm not mentioning any names has dozens of bold-faced LIES -- er, I mean, "misstatements" -- that are FAR more disconcerting than any "gaffes" like honoring the fallen soldiers in attendance.

Can ya do me a fave, Phil? Apprise me about a few of those Obama lies you alluded to? No innuendo or unproven allegations, please (that means no "Rezko" references); just your best stuff.
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 5/29/2008 1:55:37 AM
Gaffes? Gaffes? We don't need no steenking gaffes. But if want really gaffes, these still leave me tears because I'm laughing so hard. Discussion follows below. Enjoy.

NEWSWEEK reports that President Bush, appearing before a right-to-life rally in Tampa, Florida on June 17, stated: "We must always remember that all human beings begin life as a feces. A feces is a living being In the eyes of God, who has endowed that feces with all of the rights and God-given blessings of any other human being." The audience listened in disbelief as the President repeated his error at least a dozen times, before realizing that he had used the word "feces" when he meant to say "fetus."

"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." —Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."—Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"I do remain confident in Linda. She'll make a fine labor secretary. From what I've read in the press accounts, she's perfectly qualified."—Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001

"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment."—Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001

"This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating."—as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

''I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe—I believe what I believe is right."—Rome, July 22, 2001


Now, I don't think anyone in their right mind would have said these things if he was at all conscious of what he was saying. So why is it happening? I've heard somewhere that he's somewhat dyslexic. I don't know if that's true or not but if it is, would it explain his communications problems that are of biblical proportions.

If it's not dyslexia, what then? Is he merely a fun kinda standup comic? Did he do more coke than he can remember and only has memory lapses and diarrhea-like flow of malapropisms and only on days that end with "Y"?

I find it hard to believe that he exhibits a gross lack of any functional intelligence. I don't believe that. He's crazy like a fox. I didn't mean to imply that he's bright....hardly. But what other explanation can one possibly have for this? We have other world leaders (like 'em or not) that can actually string more than five words together and manage to deliver coherent communication. But this guy simply comes across as a complete moron. He's doing really bad Shecky Green for all the world to see. What's your take on it?

It does serve to illustrate a point, however, that being, we desperately need a very bright and astute and perceptive person in office who is truly out to do what it takes to regain this country's (old) place. I don't care who does it as long as they do it.

Then, in a more somber vein, I leave you with this:

"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war".
-- Dubya doing a sterling job of belittling war and parenting at the same time, while also backhandedly manufacturing a war record for himself out of thin air, Jan. 27, 2002

Personally, I feel sorry for the guy. Truly. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for all the chocolate in San Francisco....and for me, that's saying something.
 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 5/29/2008 2:35:37 AM
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — . . . . . . . shame on you. Fool me — . . . . . . . . . . . you can't get fooled again." George W Bush, in Nashville, TN

The Infamous Video:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/youtube/bushfoolme.htm

-Suth'nBoy

 Vyper®

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Posted: 5/29/2008 2:54:59 AM
Who is more electable?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=8018276&ch=4226716&src=news
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:15:40 AM
OMG Thanks guys for the morning laugh. I hope there's a book out there or one in the making of all the Bush-isms. That's some funny sh!t.


 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:27:48 AM
Right, what Bush says or said really does have a lot to do with this election...NOTTTT! I am sick of Liberals bringing Bush up in every discussion about the election. It is interesting to note that most Liberals have to misdirect attention to Bush at every opportunity because they know that Obama can not beat McCain without relying on peoples hatred of Bush. McCain and Bush are not the same. For supporters who allegedly want people to vote based on Policy and stance on all issues not just One, your side sure does show its Fear of letting Obama stand on his Liberal Agenda and Stance on the Issues...
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:37:48 AM
Insolent, if we didn't deflect and juke you out all the time, all we'd ever talk about would be Obama's afrocentric church. I think even you would get bored with that, don't you?

Psst...read this
http://www.truthout.org/article/mini-league-nations-would-cause-only-division
 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:46:34 AM
Thanks for the link..I think its a great idea, I think that we should pull away from the UN ...besides whats wrong with Democracies standing to together?
 fridayboo

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Posted: 5/29/2008 5:35:11 AM
When Barrack can concentrate on just McCain and not McClinton.....the McCain will be toast!....McCain supporters be happy Billary is trying to drag this out.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:01:13 PM

I think its a great idea, I think that we should pull away from the UN ...besides whats wrong with Democracies standing to together?


That's like the club in grade school that doesn't let anyone in with glasses. Come on man....would you please open your ears and your eyes to the reality that is the Bush administration? And the fact that a McCain administration would be exactly the same thing?

You sure picked an appropriate screen name for yourself. ;)
 spitfire6844

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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:50:05 PM

Nay, she HAS indeed capitalized a great deal.


I think she has benefitted from the natural advantages of her well-known name and her (now defunct) political alliances, but she didn't employ those assets to their greatest use. To capitalize on them would mean to me that Hillary strategically used those assets well and got the most out of them. Hillary didn't do that. Any average person (even a sub-average person) with Hillary's name-recognition; 24-hour access to Bill; social ties from 8 years in the White House; and a 5-year, uninterrupted media push, would have done as well or better than Hillary did this year.

So, she benefitted the way a shellfish on the beach benefits from the ocean when the waves wash ashore. But, like a shellfish, Hillary did little to position herself to capitalize in the best way on those assets. She didn't move early enough toward setting up offices in the caucus states, and she didn't move toward the Internet fund-raising juggernaut.

I wonder if she's working on a concession speech now.....
 uninterested

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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:50:25 PM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNxTApa2sQRu0Xx99P3jt2bEXw7gD90VCES00


Obama adds another Oregon superdelegate

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama drew closer to securing his party's nomination, gaining another superdelegate on Thursday that put him just 44 delegates shy of becoming the nominee.

Gail Rasmussen has become Oregon's third Democratic superdelegate in two days to come out in support of the Illinois senator.

Rasmussen, the vice president of the Oregon Education Association, said she will cast her vote for Obama "in honor of the support" he won from the state's voters.

Obama beat Hillary Rodham Clinton by 18 percentage points in last week's Oregon primary.

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THE DELEGATE BREAKDOWN

Barack Obama: 1,982 — 44 delegates short of the nomination

Hillary Rodham Clinton: 1,780


Like Chinese water torture for them thar folks that don't like the Muslim with his Afrocentric rascist church.
 easyoneverything

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Posted: 5/29/2008 1:14:25 PM
I think one of the reasons Obama is winning is because stuff like this isn't getting a whole lot of mileage in the media. No one is calling him a flat out liar for confusing his facts, lucky for him, in fact, no one is paying much attention to it at all.

O-Bomb-a-gaffes

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/sweet_column_item_obamas_gaffe.html

• Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together "because of what happened in Selma." Obama was born in 1961.
• Obama told Larry King on CNN -- asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers -- "We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that."
Obama did not know what he was talking about. Any professional media consultant can manipulate images on video. Turns out the creator -- unmasked last week as a political operative who worked for a firm overseeing the technical side of Obama's Web site -- made it at home on a Mac.
• Obama, asked if homosexuality was immoral, in the wake of comments by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Peter Pace, sidestepped the question. After pressure from gay groups, Obama issued a statement stating he did not agree with Pace "that homosexuality is immoral."
Cynicism is like terrorism?
• One of Obama's stump lines is that the biggest obstacle he fights is not any of his rivals, it is cynicism. He used a variation of it during a reception he hosted at a conference here sponsored by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Displaying a tin ear, Obama said that one of the enemies is not "just terrorists" or "just Hezbollah" or "just Hamas" -- "it's also cynicism."
• The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.
Insider or outsider?
• Another Obama stump line -- he said it again Tuesday morning to the Communications Workers of America here -- is that "I've been long enough in Washington to know that Washington needs to change." He is running against Washington yet his campaign is populated with political professionals who are Washington insiders.
• Obama's embrace of some rhetoric used by rival John Edwards is getting attention. Edwards, in a 2003 speech made for his first presidential run said, "I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 1:57:40 PM
Honestly, we are all for the most part intelligent people here. I can honestly say that Hillary's sniper fire, Obama's uncle that was or was not in WWII, even Rev. Wright, do not make much difference to me in all of this. (And I'd just like to say that the only reason I'm arguing about the sniper fire and the RFK thing in another thread in case anyone is paying attention is to prove a point. lol)

What matters is what they stand for, who they surround themselves with politically, and who is the best person for the job.

Do we really all think that any of these little things matter? I'm sure we can dig up misstatements from here to kindom come. What matters is if they show misjudgement.
 FredHH

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Posted: 5/29/2008 2:31:19 PM
Well.. at least now you guys are admitting that all of the people who will be on the ballot are not worthy of the position of President...

Obama is so clueless as to not be able to count the stars on the flag...

Shrillary has managed to actually torpedo her own campaign enough that seh is losing to Obama...

And McCain is no genius...

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How about we actually look for a candidate worth voting FOR?

I know its a strange concept...

Someone who will fix the income tax code so the average HS graduate can understand it.

Someone who will fix the military purchasing system so we never spend $10,000 on a single toilet seat again.

Someone who will tell the idiots in congress to do thier job rather than pandering to whichever lobbiest throws the most money at them.

Vote out ALL of the incumbents in Washington DC. They are crooks.
 easyoneverything

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Posted: 5/29/2008 2:51:27 PM
"What matters is what they stand for, who they surround themselves with politically, and who is the best person for the job. Do we really all think that any of these little things matter? I'm sure we can dig up misstatements from here to kindom come. What matters is if they show misjudgement."

Oh! I thought the thread was discussing Why is Hillary losing? to which many have posted that there is a media bias. I thought discussions of who is the better candidate was another thread. My mistake.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:00:23 PM

Well.. at least now you guys are admitting that all of the people who will be on the ballot are not worthy of the position of President...

Obama is so clueless as to not be able to count the stars on the flag...

Shrillary has managed to actually torpedo her own campaign enough that seh is losing to Obama...

And McCain is no genius...


In the scenario as quoted above, I'll take the 'no genius' any day. A person with common sense/street sense doesn't have to be a genius to get the job done correctly. At least McCain has been on the front lines (literally) for the Country he is running for office of Commander-in-Chief.

As to why Hillary Clinton is losing... I do honestly believe it is the biased reporting of the Media to sugarcoat Obama. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.

The American people need to delve into real issues... rather than 'misquotes, etc. etc.' which the Media focuses on.
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:07:59 PM

The American people need to delve into real issues


Amen to that.
 uninterested

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:18:52 PM

O-Bomb-a-gaffes


The only one out of those "gaffes" would be the first one. Obama should have just said that his parents got together because of the civil rights movement than trying to ingratiate himself to the specific crowd he was talking to. That was pretty dumb.

As for the other "gaffes", they are ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUmun1R-AE
There's the youtube ad. It's pretty cool, but it was made without the knowledge of anyone in Obama's campaign. The guy worked for a company that Obama's campaign contacted out some work to. Hardly a "gaffe" by Obama.
Besides, if I was a Hillary supporter, I'd be reluctant to bring that one up in light of the fact that her campaign has admitted to doctoring photos of Obama to make him look darker (remember when that was done to OJ Simpson?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUmun1R-AE


The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.

No, it was found in Time magazine.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,899347-5,00.html

Terrible to think that a man can't recall the exact magazine that he read an article in when he was 9 years old. What a monumental gaffe. Almost as bad as the whole "kindergate" affair.


Since that declaration Clinton has done just that, attacking Obama's plans for health care, Social Security reform and diplomacy with Iran. She even went so far as to dig up a kindergarten essay of Obama's entitled "I Want to Be President" to accuse him of lying about not having a lifelong lust for the Oval Office.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1690519,00.html

What kind of disgusting person would do a thing like that?
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:25:18 PM
Oh! I thought the thread was discussing Why is Hillary losing? to which many have posted that there is a media bias. I thought discussions of who is the better candidate was another thread. My mistake.


I was addressing your post # 1820, which didn't discuss anything about why Hillary is losing, by the way. I wish I knew why you keep looking for a fight with me. Not that I can't handle it....but sheesh.
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