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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 6:13:01 AM |
Hillary lost because she's a female and men do not want to vote for a woman and see a woman in power. The men are sure doing a great job of screwing up the world. It's time a woman was in power to clean up the mess men created.
you are absolutely right, but like everything else, time must lapse before the truth is realized, ridicule as many try, condemn Clinton as they do, bottom line, being a woman did her in NOT her policies, for all those that WERE with her initially, SHE didn't change, YOU did~ | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 6:32:46 AM | | Hillary lost because the average American doesn't understand the election process...the demographics that favored Obama showed up in record numbers while those that favored Clinton didn't. Simple as that Obama won because the system is flawed. The General election will show how true this is when McCain receives an overwhelming number of the votes but loses because he doesn't get the electoral votes... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 6:45:51 AM | To all you women who think Clinton lost BECAUSE she's a woman and men hate women in charge...
If you can only justify Hillary's lost is due to Misogyny then what is your true view towards men?? ... maybe you should include this hateful attitude towards MEN as to why you're single and on a dating site... And if your argument is correct, why did most highly-educated women vote for Obama as well?
Here are other statements I just can't get on board with:
"I think Palestine has a point" -- reply: YOU'RE AN ANTI SEMITE!
"We shouldn't have invaded Iraq"-reply: YOU SUPPORT THE TERRORISTS!
"We needed to remove Saddam from Iraq" - reply: WARMONGER!
"I voted for Obama:---------------reply: YOU HATE WOMEN!
"I voted for Clinton:---------------reply: YOU ARE A RACIST!
See? With all of these things, it's a lose / lose outcome if you have 'right' perspective.
It's just like Bush and his crusty crew have worked for over the past 7 1/2 years... divide and conquer and you've bought into it... I'm a man; I think Hillary has done great things over the years. Hell, back in Bill Clinton's day, I SAID that a Hillary/McCain Ticket is something that would take this nation by storm (notice the order of the ticket please).
But... as soon as she started campaigning I lost more and more respect for her... NOT because she was a woman; I like women, and don't mind if my leaders are female. I lost respect for her because she immediately went negative and started lying to me. Not only THAT, but stupid, idiotic lies that were easily verifiable, and I've had enough idiotic lying from the White House to last my lifetime.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 7:02:33 AM |
If you can only justify Hillary's lost is due to Misogyny then what is your true view towards men?? ... maybe you should include this hateful attitude towards MEN as to why you're single and on a dating site...
^^^^^^^
LOL
so, if I say there's sexism in our country and especially during the primary, I hate men?
whatever!
I said from the get go that Clinton will NEVER be the nominee because the progress in America goes white men, black men, women-
ammendment to vote
allowed into the military
allowed at the Citadel...
the media is sexist-
http://mediacrit.wetpaint.com/page/Sexist+Language+in+Media+Coverage+of+Hillary+Clinton?t=anon
the media had a hell of a lot of impact on this race and still does-
as Robert Novak said: "I’ve been covering presidential campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with Obama beats the JFK syndrome." | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 9:40:06 AM | The media is indeed entranced by our chameleon candidate.
How could Hillary compete against this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCSmV2FSXsQ | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:54:28 AM | I am not supprised she lost. She has a personality like a wet dish towel.
I knew she wouldn't be able to pull off the nomination, let alone winning the general election. Has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has everything to do with her being a very mean person. Yuck! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 1:15:16 PM | What a tiny fraction of Hillary's supporters don't seem to understand is that they diminish Hillary's historic effort by making excuses for her loss. Most of Hillary's supporters get it. Only a few don't. There is no mystery as to why Hillary lost. It has been discussed ad infinitum throughout the political world and repeatedly on this thread. Let's be clear here: Hillary lost a hard, fair fight. Hillary often showed grit, strength, and resolve; but she got her ass kicked (figuratively) in a fair fight.
Some of us on the thread here are fans of boxing and MMA (and there is at least one actual boxer on the thread). When your fighter loses (and Hillary sees herself as a political fighter) the ONLY honorable thing to do is to accept the loss; acknowledge the opponent's achievement; and move on. You don't take four days to congratulate the winner, either. You don't make excuses of any kind. It diminishes Hillary when some of her misguided supporters treat her like a hapless victim by whining about unfair treatment. It is akin to whining about the refs in an athletic contest. It's poor sportmanship and shows lack of character, period.
Did Hillary get unfair treatment when she was widely considered a "co-president" in Bill Clinton's Administration? Did Hillary get unfair treatment when given carte blanche to run for the U.S. Senate from New York even though she had never been a resident of that state? Did Hillary get unfair treatment when the press touted her as the likely Democratic presidential nominee for 5 years beginning as early as 2003? Hillary has gotten more favorable press and a more favorable, long-term push for this effort than any candidate in history, bar none. Her press and feedback only turned somewhat negative when she started losing caucuses and primaries, as it would for any other candidate.
When we root for a fighter who gets beat in a fight, the best thing we can do to show respect is to say: "This wasn't your time. You got beat this time. Live to fight again." A fighter who can take a loss well sometimes gets even more respect than the winner gets. Many of us were hoping that Hillary would take her loss like that; keep her head up; and be a champion of character. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. If there was any doubt as to Hillary's lack of fitness for the office, the "victim" responses confirmed it. Most of Hillary's supporters actually didn't react by whining about the process---they are honorable. However, Hillary allowed the 4% - 5% of her supporters who are freaks to dictate a less than honorable response, and to shower the process with lame excuses. Now she, and they, have to live with that throughout history.
Even those of us who weren't supporting Hillary were hoping for better. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 1:52:04 PM |
Posted By: kanaduh
I am not supprised she lost. She has a personality like a wet dish towel.
I knew she wouldn't be able to pull off the nomination, let alone winning the general election. Has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has everything to do with her being a very mean person. Yuck!
You shouldn't be insulting wet dish towels like that... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 3:54:53 PM | "Hillary lost because she's a female and men do not want to vote for a woman and see a woman in power. The men are sure doing a great job of screwing up the world. It's time a woman was in power to clean up the mess men created."
"you are absolutely right, but like everything else, time must lapse before the truth is realized, ridicule as many try, condemn Clinton as they do, bottom line, being a woman did her in NOT her policies, for all those that WERE with her initially, SHE didn't change, YOU did"
Maybe. That sure makes for a good focus, and kind of keeps the other reasons why she might have lost, or rather Obama won, in the subtext.
I wonder if Obama secured the superdelegates votes because their black constituents would not have reacted well if the superdelegate voted Clinton? If I think about it, who would I want to have really mad at me - blacks, or women? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 4:14:38 PM |
you are absolutely right, but like everything else, time must lapse before the truth is realized, ridicule as many try, condemn Clinton as they do, bottom line, being a woman did her in NOT her policies, for all those that WERE with her initially, SHE didn't change, YOU did~
The number of democratic women voting for Hillary because of her gender ("it's our time") easily outnumber the number of democratic men who might have voted against her because of her gender. Not only are there far more women than men in the democratic party (in most primaries, the voters were 55-60% women), but democratic men tend to be progressive, not the "women belong in the kitchen" type.
Hillary lost because her campaign strategy wasn't very good. Obama's tactics gave him a huge advantage in campaign contributions and small state/caucus voting. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 4:30:00 PM | | or maybe the number of democratic men and women voting for Obama because he was black is the ultimate tactic employed? I recognize the flaws in Clinton's campaign strategy but quite honestly, none of them were enough to 'do her in.' That took the superdelegates turning against her - the nonsense with Florida and Michigan first of all, but again, I am keen to know more about exactly where each of these superdelegates hails from and the nature of their constituency? I am hearing faint rumblings that the super D's were afraid of either being tossed out next election or all out rioting if they were seen to be against blacks by voting for Clinton. There is more of a story here than anyone is telling. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 8:53:28 PM | Awww......are we still over here mulling over why Hillary is losing?
Oh...I see the conversation has changed to why she lost. Well I do not believe in crying over 'spilled milk' and apparently neither does Hillary. She is over in the Obama camp with us now folks working to defeat McSame!
Let the healing begin!
Obama 2008!
Looks like your thread has been hijacked OP, and infested with racists too! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 9:59:38 PM | | Hillary lost when she stole Obama's platform of Change. How stupid did she think we were to believe that someone who has been in Washington for forty years can bring about change? Obama won because the people want change and feel that he is most qualified to give us that due to the fact that he hasn't been in Washington as long as the other permanently seated congressmen who ran for pesident. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:27:57 PM | "Hillary lost when she stole Obama's platform of Change. How stupid did she think we were to believe that someone who has been in Washington for forty years can bring about change? Obama won because the people want change and feel that he is most qualified to give us that due to the fact that he hasn't been in Washington as long as the other permanently seated congressmen who ran for pesident."
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Yeah I can't wait to see Obama bring change to Washington with his 18 months Senate experience LOL! But what I REALLY want to see is Obama holding on to those precious ideals and trying to effect change in Washington without having to grease any palms, do for me and I'll do for you politics. That's going to be priceless! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:33:13 PM | Seattlerain you are falling for the media spin on why Clinton supporters are upset:
"To all you women who think Clinton lost BECAUSE she's a woman and men hate women in charge..."
Actually, no one thinks that. The media want you to think that's the issue though, and from what I see they're darned effective!
Clinton supporters are looking at the coverage, which was biased and sexist, and at the reasons why superdelegates would not make a decision about Florida and Michigan until it was too effin late to do the right thing, at which time they did the wrong thing, favouring Obama. And they also want to know, in the absence of any tangible plan, what superdelegates were supporting BO. Change? I have a hard time buying that, since they're supposed to be politically savvy enough not to be sucked in by sound bytes. Constituent pressure? That's a lot more plausible. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:38:21 PM | | I'd still like to see an answer to my question, the one where I asked what you have to be so fearful of when on Obama and Hillary are virtually one in the same person as far as policies, voting record, and senate experience. That's ok. I think I already know the answer, I just wanted to see it for myself from your own collective mouths. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:43:00 PM | Yeah I can't wait to see Obama bring change to Washington with his 18 months Senate experience LOL!
First of all: You don't know how long Obama has been in the Senate. Unless you believe in that "fuzzy math", from Jan 'o5 to current is forty-two months. Sometimes when I don't know what I'm talking about I'll simply leave that part out of what I write.
You must be one of those people who think that Washington has been on the right track. The track that these congressional mainstays have put us on. Well you are in the minority with that belief. Others would prefer to see all three-term congressmen thrown out of office and allow some fresh minds to try and right this ship. I hope you have a good opinion of congress if you actually want to stick with the same leadership that we have been stuck with since Reagan started his "trickle down" economy approach. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:44:10 PM | Edisto,
thanks for this link: http://mediacrit.wetpaint.com/page/Sexist+Language+in+Media+Coverage+of+Hillary+Clinton?t=anon
Well researched and documented. The only doubt comes from those who won't ever read it, or anything like it. Can't argue with the ignorant. "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts." | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:47:38 PM | "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts."
How about: don't beat a dead horse and face facts and quit looking for excuses?
How can you possibly say that she did not win because people hated the fact that she's a woman...and then in the next breath defend her 18 million voters? How can you argue with the fact that she very nearly became the democratic presidential nominee? I think if sexism were as alive and well and working in the voting booths as you like to portray, she'd never even have gotten past Iowa. You're simply making excuses, and it does not look good on Hillary. It minimizes her accomplishments and reduces it to an immature excuse. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:49:18 PM | "I am not supprised she lost. She has a personality like a wet dish towel. "
The only thing you know about her 'personality' is what the media spoon-fed you, and you gorged on it in big glutinous gulps. Now you're belching insults. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:52:41 PM | | they may be similar in some of their voting records by they are different enough to cause some concern for her supporters, not to mention their proposals if elected, there are differences are there as well....I am a Hillary supporter, I will not vote for Obama....I hope that many Hillary supporters will do the same and not support Obama..... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:55:41 PM | Why, Insolent? What purpose will that serve?
Why are you a Hillary supporter? Because of the democratic ideals she's stood for and worked toward her entire adult life? If that's the case, and I suspect it is.....not supporting Obama is what people have been saying for weeks now, cutting off your own nose to spite your face. But your'e not only cutting off your own nose, you're cutting off America's nose. It's spiteful and immature, and pointless. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:55:47 PM | "How can you possibly say that she did not win because people hated the fact that she's a woman...and then in the next breath defend her 18 million voters?"
Well, since you are quoting me above, you seem to think this is my argument? Please produce where this has been articulated by me? I have not ever said she didn't win because people hated the fact that she's a woman, not once.
I have said the media are guilty of biased, sexist coverage, which has absolutely swayed voters against her and swelled the Obama-stupor. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:57:31 PM | | Insolent, when did you start being against the war and pro-choice? Give it up Insolent. Nice try. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:58:12 PM | | I never once said that was your exact words, either. Stop internalizing this whole thing. It's a valid question that I asked of you, edisto, missblueeyes, philly....everyone who is using sexism as the reason she didn't go "all the way". And you still didn't speak to it. | |
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