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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/17/2008 9:28:31 PM | McCain knows nothing about economic issues and Obama knows nothing about foreign policy issues.
Why can't we have a candidate who knows about both, Hillary Clinton?
Once again the more capable, knowledgeable female applicant is passed over for the less capable male applicants.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:49:16 PM | Yeah. And where did she learn this stuff, Phill. For try as I have, I cannot find ANYPLACE where the "experience" or special knowledge she claims was picked up.  | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:55:44 PM | PhillyFellow, Stop throwing out the "you don't want her because she's a woman", and I'll stop thinking that you don't want Obama because you're a racist, okay?
What in the world makes Clinton more knowledgeable about foreign policy? Because she followed her Husband around for a few years???? Why would you say Obama knows nothing about foreign policy? Do *YOU* know something about foreign policy? of course you do... as do I, and I'm willing to bet Obama knows WAY more than we do.
And... if you haven't forgotten, who Obama appoints to his cabinet is more important than what HE personally knows. That's why a president HAS a CABINET.... They make up his own personal think-tank with specialists working in different areas of expertise.
And I'm Confident that Obama isn't going to fill the Cabinet with ideological yes-men like past, more "experienced" presidents have done.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/18/2008 4:42:27 AM |
I'll stop thinking that you don't want Obama because you're a racist, okay? Its funny how you liberals like to oversimplify to cast others in a negative light when they don't support your candidate. Many people are against Obama not because of the color of his skin but because his vision for America is a vision of Socialism and Globalism, what do you think the Global Poverty act is? Since you bring racism into the argument Obama is the one who has questionable beliefs about race in America, as evidenced by the Theology of the Church where he has worshiped for the past 20 years. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/18/2008 6:21:29 AM | What is all of this talk the democrats have about LIBERALS! YOUR PARTY IS THE LIBERAL PARTY! Now I guess you are trying to determine who is the most liberal. This is truly ABSURD. This is why I CAN NEVER BE A DEMOCRAT. Get it together! You guys look bad.
I voted for a person not a party. When I was at the convention (representing Obama as a delegate). Your oath or pledge upholds all of the liberal causes. The oath did not say just a little. The republican party is the party with the fundamental beliefs. Please stop looking so raggedy.
Proud to be an Independent!
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| Why did Hillary lose?
Posted: 6/18/2008 3:21:06 PM | insolent1 said:
I'll stop thinking that you don't want Obama because you're a racist, okay?
Its funny how you liberals like to oversimplify to cast others in a negative light when they don't support your candidate. Many people are against Obama not because of the color of his skin but because his vision for America is a vision of Socialism and Globalism
"You Liberals"? if you're not a democrat, why are you stirring up trouble in an obviously democratic thread? Unless you're some sort of new-fangled NeoconDemocrat...
And I'm not casting anyone in a negative light, Insolent; I'm asking that people STOP saying that if people don't want Hillary it's BECAUSE she's female. My point above was that just because that poster wanted Hillary for the nomination didn't make him racist.
I'm just getting tired of hearing that everyone who likes Obama hates women... or at least they don't think a woman can lead, which isn't true.
As for Socialism, McCain is 100% in favor of Corporate Socialism.
As for Globalism, McCain is 100% in favor of the USA dominating the world through empire.
...but these things are better argued in the thread of McCain/Obama than to continue beatng a thread so dead that the horse has turned to mush.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/19/2008 10:23:53 AM | Prior to the media spin during this primary cycle, the general view was that Clinton had facilitated very well as Senator from New York, and that she had earned a deserved reputation for crossing party lines to get things done, and had more than a handful of accomplishments, and a good deal more than the junior senator from Illinois who copied her every move, voting exactly as she did.
Actually, the general view is that she did NOT facilitate many meetings with other Senators to write constructive bills. Hillary is known for introducing many bills solo because she can't find a co-sponsor. Hillary is known for introducing bills to name post offices after people and to create memorial days for university lacrosse teams. Nothing substantive. The "junior senator from Illinois" didn't copy a single thing she did--that's ridiculous. Obama's mentors in the Senate are Díck Durbin and Teddy Kennedy. Díck Durbin is Obama's senior colleague from Illinois, and is the Majority Whip of the Senate. Durbin was Obama's main role model in the Senate. From all accounts, Obama and Hillary never interacted more than a handful of times in the Senate.
They are going to interact now, though.... Hillary is now a loyal foot soldier in the Obama campaign. When Obama says "Jump!", Hillary is going to ask: "How high?"
Hillary has the chance to finally show, after all these years, that she can be a team player and do something constructive. If she doesn't approach this new role with gusto, she'll be finished politically by all accounts. That is the challenge for the great Hillary right now. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/19/2008 10:28:57 AM | | NOt necessarily thats what Obamacons want people to believe.Hillary will be fine whether she acts as Obamas lackey or not, I would support her regardless of whether or not she assists Obama. I would prefer she didn't but thats not my choice.You must be forgetting that she received 18 million votes, not everyone thinks like you do. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/19/2008 9:06:39 PM | | Many people voted for Hillary on name recognition alone. Then there were some (apparently some posters here, too) that thought Hillary would bring back the 90's Clinton years. So, Hillary did get a lot of votes; but given her name recognition and five-year media push, she still fell short of expectations. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/19/2008 10:01:27 PM |
Hillary is now a loyal foot soldier in the Obama campaign. When Obama says "Jump!", Hillary is going to ask: "How high?"
Must be something you're drinking in the water up there, Spit, or else this is one of your more inane fantasies. Come back to reality, bud. It just isn't going to happen.
First of all, if the lady actually wanted the VP spot, then she might be willing to hop a little in order to further her own career, but jump? And however high Obama whines for her to? I think not. The visual you present is just laughable. Obama is a hesitant, passive, elitist, preppie-sort. Hillary is a sincere, extremely strong, dominant, assertive type of woman. She's not going to be jumping for anyone. Get a grip.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 12:16:31 AM |
Hillary is a sincere, extremely strong, dominant, assertive type of woman. She's not going to be jumping for anyone. Get a grip.
Yes, she was so strong that she she allowed herself to be humiliated by an intern. Remember Monica Lewinsky (splat splat).
She jumped alright. She jumped to her husband's defense so that her fantasies of power would remain intact.
Now she's jumping to Obama's tune just so she'll be able to keep her place as the 36th ranked Democrat senator.
I used to worry about all the bitter Hillary supporters upsetting Obama's chances of becoming president, but now that I'm reading about all the (formerly) Republican women who are supporting Obama in droves, my fears have been placated.
Now I can only laugh at your bitterness.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 12:21:52 AM | The republican party is the party with the fundamental beliefs.
Please elaborate.....Which fundamental beliefs are the republicans demonstrating, as they drive us toward a fascist society? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 12:25:29 AM |
ts funny how you liberals like to oversimplify to cast others in a negative light when they don't support your candidate.
What's really hysterically funny is how you right wingers do the same thing. Now isn't that funny? I think so. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:37:53 AM |
Which fundamental beliefs are the republicans demonstrating, as they drive us toward a fascist society?
The beliefs that keep us from getting sucked into the socialist agenda that the liberals are pushing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 7:39:41 AM | Southernlass:
Uninterested covered the points I was going to make. Is Hillary strong and aggressive? Sure. But she also wants to have some sort of a career after the general election is over. Being number 36 in the Senate Democratic caucus doesn't give Hillary a lot of options---especially if it appears that she was less than enthusiastic in supporting the Democratic nominee.
Hillary knows she has to jump. She will submit. She will hustle for her former rival. She will skin 'n grin. She will step 'n fetch. It will be every bit as sickening to Hillary herself as it is to some of her diehard supporters on this thread. However, she'll do it---just like she stood by her man after Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 8:14:45 AM | I don't think so. Hillary will do the minimum she has to in order to appease the party. Why should she knock herself out over Obama? Not a matter of being sickening, but why work hard when you're not the candidate? If I were her, I'd do enough to make the Democrats happy and then watch Obama self-destruct.
The man consistently makes TERRIBLE choices, the latest being breaking his pledge on campaign financing.
No need to fight it. Just sit back, relax, and watch. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 1:00:28 PM | Thank you, Fly. It must really turn Spit on to think about Hillary as Obama's beck and call girl. Unfortunately, this fantasy is only occurring in starring color in his mind.
Hillary had a wonderful career before Obama and she'll have one after he's nothing but a bad memory left in our minds. She'll not be jumping anywhere, least of all for him. And Obama will self destruct. He's too foolish to do otherwise. He's wet behind the ears, and his handlers obviously aren't pulling the strings in a very orderly fashion. He just keeps screwing it up.
Now those within "the Obama MOVEMENT"(didja see Lou Dobbs talking about this last night??)  can overlook yet another slippage of Obama's mask. Obama doesn't keep his promises! Yet is this a surprise to anyone? Of course not. Most of us knew there would be no change coming forth from this candidate. It's all just more slick talk from the latest hustler to be thrust upon the American people. How can there be so many people actually buying this change notion though? That is the topic we ought to be discussing.
The Ron Paul people are right - There are so many Americans that are true "sheeple." They can't grasp a con when it's right under their noses and in their faces. Obama, the candidate for change? 
Please. Just wake me when it's over.. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 1:07:12 PM | ^^^ In what aspects is Clinton far superior to Obama as a candidate? Just curious, because I never saw how they were so different, platform-wise.
PS I think it's fascinating this thread has gotten so large. It's heading for the "century" mark, even! | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 1:09:59 PM |
He just keeps screwing it up
Well he seems to be screwing it up less badly than McCain is screwing it up, because I keep hearing how Obama is leading McCain in the polls.
can overlook yet another slippage of Obama's mask.
Not sure what promise you are referring to, but I think you've been watching too much Scooby Doo.
Do yourself a favor and go read the article in the thread I started titled Women and McCain. Maybe you'll be less quick to jump on the McCain wagon to destructo-town...at least if women's issues mean one iota to you. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 1:30:55 PM | Hillary's a good person, and a better-than-average attorney. Running for office was "a kooky idea", like her campaign manager once said. Helping a more talented public servant get elected will redeem what has otherwise been a failure for Hillary.
As far as the campaign finance issue goes: Obama had good intentions, but good strategy dictated that he change course. McCain didn't follow up and arrange meetings so that he and Obama could hammer out the issue of public financing. Obama's offer was to discuss using public financing, not to automatically agree to limit the campaigns to such financing. Did Obama go back on his word? Yes. You could argue that he did that by not setting up the meeting with McCain to finalize the details. However, McCain shares the responsibility for the failure of this plan as well---McCain didn't appear any more eager to finalize a commitment to public financing than Obama did, and McCain is the Senator who has been more vocal on this issue over the years.
Both McCain and Obama are being strategists on this one. They can raise far more money from private sources and small online donations than they can from the antiquated matching funds system. This is gonna be a war, and wars require $$$$.
In addition to that, if Obama is going to help Hillary get her campaign out of debt, he's going to need to go the private route. Hillary won't have any complaints about it. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 2:51:42 PM | some of my model airplane experiments are kooky ideas... I generally complete such experiments for under $200 each. (often the experiments end up costing less than $10)
Spending several million dollars on a bid for nomination as a presidential candiidate shouldn't be referred to as kooky... Its either a serious attempt to be come president or you are insane.
The only ways Obama can help with Hillary's campaign debts would be to put her on the ticket as VP (thus having his campagn assume the debt...) or by digging into his own bank account.
Anything else would probably violate several federal campaign laws. (and maybe the RICO Act)
I would not be suprised to see Obama carry Hillary as the presumptive VP candidate for JUST long enough to pay the debt, then have a big public argument with her over health care... and dump her in favor of Farrakan or some other radical.
Any bets? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/20/2008 9:21:35 PM | I would be more suprised than anyone--that remark about Farrakhan is totally absurd. Obama doesn't even LIKE Farrakhan. 
I would not be surprised if he chose a man with a strong military and international policy background, like Sen. James Webb of VA or Sen Chuck Hagel of Nebraska who has said he is open to being Obama's veep even if he is a Republican. Hagel has the guts to stand against his own party over the war in Iraq. Several generals have been in the running from what I've seen so far. Bill Richardson would also be a good choice.
Republican socialism: give special breaks to the rich and to big corporations
Democratic socialism: helping kids have a better future, ie. Head Start, Medicare, Social Security--all good things. I'll take giving special breaks to poor people over the rich ANY DAY. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:32:40 AM | LOL Webb is a Republican retread. He only changed parties to run for the Senate in 2006. He was an Asst. Sec. Def. under Reagan.
It's the wealthy who pay for programs like Head Start, Medicare and Social Security (and every other government program out there). The top 10 percent of wage earners pay just about 70 percent of the taxes.
Doesn't sound like special tax breaks to me. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/21/2008 7:29:35 AM |
FredHH Said:
I would not be suprised to see Obama carry Hillary as the presumptive VP candidate for JUST long enough to pay the debt, then have a big public argument with her over health care... and dump her in favor of Farrakan or some other radical.
Any bets?
FARRAKAN? My bet is that you are politically UNINFORMED at best... Without a doubt, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Statements such as this only show your true colors.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 6/21/2008 11:07:29 AM | Hillary's tax plan made the least sense out of all three candidates. Hillary was the one who wanted an expensive, universal health care plan with no way to pay for it. She wanted a gas tax holiday while simultaneously providing subsidies for alternative energy companies. Hillary posed as a low-tax moderate with an expensive, bureaucratic set of programs. It would have been a disaster.
The fact is that supply-side economics only works in a booming, growing economy. Offering tax cuts in an already shrinking economy only increases our debt unless we come up with some massive, pseudo private-sector industries to replace the defense-contracting industry of the 80's. The alternative-fuels industry and space exploration are the two fields which have the potential to replace the defense industry of the 80's. Without rapid growth in another huge industry like that which can provide jobs for millions of workers, the high-spend, low-tax fiscal protocols won't work this time. President Bush is proving that every day. | |
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