Did it ever occur to you that maybe that change wasnt all that welcome for those going back to what little they were allowed?

I really believe that many men will never understand this because as a male there were very few restrictions put on what you were allowed to aspire to based on the fact that you didnt have the right genitalia . Men were rarely told they couldnt do something just because they were men, they are encouraged to be strong and fight for what is their right as men! Yet when women ask for the same thing we are wrong in that [/quote

Oh Yea! ~ It occured to me ~ but not many family oriented ~ The emphases was on family ~ and if not ~ then on self. ~

And this is when the change started ~ and then it got to where ~ To have all the family wanted ~ it now required Two paychecks ~ ~ The early stores ~ what were their names? Before Target and K Mart? ~ can't remember them anymore. ~

Anyway Ladies ~ You are much better off in so many ways now ~ You don't have to take S`it off nobody , except the boss ~ and the other people at work and ~ your fellow commuters. ~ and the IRS. ~

And when you get home ~ now you can kick the dog around or go for a drink with the girls ~ Maybe put in a load ~ water some flowers ~ or like some do ~ just replace them as they die. ~ You have much to chose from. ~ More then you did.

Best of luck to all ~ I for one like the arrangment ~ It's a lot easier for men as well ~ if you understand the program. ~ dar

If a person would rather have a well defined "roll" rather than the freedom to do what they want, maybe they'd be happier in medieval europe, where your place was on the farm and on your wedding night, you got to have sex with the Lord of your land *if he wanted you* and thereafter with your husband... and if you strayed off the manor you could be hung for "poaching" because you must have been hunting on the land of a Lord that wasn't yours.

I can't believe how dumb people are, religious fanatics notwithstanding....head up the wrong end... don't know enough to come in out of the rain *ugh*

Watch any 1950s sit-com and you see a family unit and gender-specific behaviors that are no longer representative of our culture.

...we were feed, watered and put out to play in the morning ~ and thats what we did ~ played! in the trees, the creek, the dirt, the barn, the corn crib, the fields, ~ the neighbors ` we played out little ases off ~ no fears! we were watched over by all the growup eyes ~ we were ratted out ~ if we were naughty ~ or getting in to something we shouldn't...

they never ever were... not even for Hollywood families

I think all you ladies need to come to the realization that we actually don’t need you anymore these days than you need us. Yet, we’re still asking you to marry us; to share our lives; to have our children. Why is it, then, that we make this choice in the face of so damn much adversity, further a 70% divorce rate where 80% of them are filed for by women, and the ability to have otherwise easy sex without attachment? Perhaps you should consider the fact that we do and always have wanted more than the stereotypical viewpoints so many of you have of us; viewpoints that are derived more so from the minority of facts than the majority of reality and personal experience. You judge us by the very same stereotypes that you’ve shamed us for having, further every bit as hypocritical and stereotypical as anyone’s behavior has ever been; yet, you never seem to make the connection. You believe your selves every bit as righteous as your ideals, further convinced that your morality is superior and innate. What you don’t acknowledge, however, is that the rest of the world views you as the whores of Babylon which I greatly resent. Indeed, where we were once the ultimate pillar of moral society in this world, we are now viewed as something less by those who come here and look down on us.

I live in a complex just across the street from a corporation which employs and brings to this country a huge number of people from Asia and India (don’t ask why, I’m sure I don’t know). And you wouldn’t believe how much better they believe they are than us. We have you to thank for this. Your idealisms have resulted in our diminishments, and nothing will ever be the same again…

get down on your kneews men you need to pay for 4,000 years of repression

women have been oppressed for 4 thousand years to say that women were better of 50 years ago is garbage. tied to the sink, reliant on a possible drunken man who you had to stay married to no matter if he hit you, or you hated each others guts intelligent women turned to valium to dull their brilliant minds because they had to hide their sharp minds behind the mundanity of shit and stringbeans and at the end of the day theres always the bloody washing up.

And since we're on that, why don't you pay us for 4,000 years of working to support your sorry ass?

Most women would have loved to work and support their own sorry asses, but in a lot of cases weren't allowed to, either because males forbid it, or because there were no jobs made available for them.

I'm sure it was easy to argue with them at that time and tell them to be grateful they had a place to live and food to eat, but it still meant they had almost no other options.