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Posted: 3/21/2008 4:08:05 PM |
Let me ask you this,if you could not get a job, I mean you had spent al lyour savings, and you had no money, would you starve to death rather than cliam?? During the last recession, the company I had been working at as an independent for 10 years shut down.
I had no Employment Insurance to claim benefits as I was technically self-employed.
I went out and found a job detailing cars to tide me over while I found another job bartending.
While bartending, I took courses to increase my education level and make myself more employable in a society where others were not willing to take the time or expend the energy to ensure their personal stability.
I did this while raising two children.
If I can do it... why can't others?
Oh... and why would a person spend all their savings if not to improve their opportunities in life? I'll never understand that logic... | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 4:55:57 PM | if you don't earn enogh money Padawan I suggest you get aanother job Um...that's what most of us normal people do.
Let me ask you this,if you could not get a job, I mean you had spent al lyour savings, and you had no money, would you starve to death rather than cliam??
Why wouldn't I be able to get a job? Also, I wouldn't be able to claim anything. I have no children and no disabilities. Able-bodied (with or without children) = able to work.
, I've always managed to find a job ... whether that job is menial or something in my technical field.
Amen. But menial jobs are below many of the unemployed leeches.
Because I have no children to feed, that allows me the freedom to fix a bad situation without ever having to go on welfare. They have the same freedom. They choose not to use it.
Oh... and why would a person spend all their savings if not to improve their opportunities in life? I'll never understand that logic... It's hard for those who have never been responsible to understand that because many, if not most, of them have never had savings. People who don't make wise choices usually have a history of being irresponsible. Most likely because they've always had someone to bail them out, whether it's a relative or taxpayers.
I imagine those who were responsible and for whatever reason were thrown into a crisis (i.e. spouse died and unemployed stay at home mom has to find a job) use up their savings WHILE trying to find a job so they can replace it. Those are the ones who are on welfare for 6 months while they get their shit together, which is a VALID use of the system. There is no excuse for someone to be on welfare for years and years. There should be a time limit, maybe one year. One year is sufficient time to find a job or get skilled in something. And the minute one gets knocked up again while on welfare, one needs to be booted off. Apparently she wasn't struggling enough the first time around to learn her lesson.
And as I was told when I was first starting to work, looking for a job IS a fulltime job. You should be out for 8 hours a day filling out applications. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 5:26:06 PM | so you think that technology jobs are better than human services jobs? so we can make lots of useless battery operated gadgets and pollute the environment with them, when we throw them away? or perhaps sell autos that reek of gas? maybe get into high fashion and sell clothes for the cost of a family of four food budget per month? yes let's all get meaninful jobs and contribute to a glazed over group of young children who stare at tv's and game boys all day. maybe even porn, now there is a booming and mostly legal industry to make a solid living.
you are entitled to your opinion. i cannot see your profile. however, from what you say, personally i don't think your too bright either mr. p. (since you feel it's ok to refer to another person in this manner). a solid conservative would have more to say than all of this. at least they'd have a meaningful plan and a constituency.
as to taxes in other countries, same here of course. that way you can all blame the poor people and not have the brains, guts or power to go after the ones on top who either are laughing their butts off at you, or else their disdain is so embedded or so cold, that they know they have you in their pockets and they don't even spend the time of day thinking about any of it. divide and conquer the "little" people.
the cost of assisting people to help themselves is way lower than what our money goes into. but "value" is not totally determined by a free market. value is determined by very sophisticated marketing ploys and intentional media trends by a greedy few. i've sat in on some of these upper level "boardroom" schemes. they permeate even into the nonprofit sectors. greed prevails and each one dreams of being up there with the rest of the boardroom boys. interesting thing is that most of them are not even near the top of the pyramid in terms of power. they just think they are and so they assist in building the foundation.
as to educational opportunity to get ahead, here in the usa you theoretically are to be assisted with learning disablities: federal law. well, how many poor people do you think even know about this? or how to assert their rights? most of the parents who assist their children are at least educated themselves or have the time to stay home and fight for their kids. no school system wants to go out of their way, beyond what they have to offer with limited budgets, to advise some poor parent that they have legal rights to get their child an "individualized" educational assistance program.
however, i do qualify what i say about welfare, living in a country where you cannot even get health care delivery if you are poor and under 65 or not totally disabled--that includes working poor, who get sicker and sicker w/o any help unless they are almost dead. that is because an emergency cannot be turned away. but you see, the definition of an emergency is that you will be dead in 24-48 hours. so , if you are dying slowly of cancer, then that is not an emergency and no treatment for you! but by all means keep working, if you have no housing, no transportation to get to work and just don't take welfare. right?
put the blame where the blame belongs. how to fix it? well, there is an interesting question that so far nobody can answer. there are always the haves and the have nots. otherwise the haves would not have.
and as to the usa ghettoes. who do you think created those? our legislation of course. but that is another story. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 5:54:41 PM | so you think that technology jobs are better than human services jobs? so we can make lots of useless battery operated gadgets and pollute the environment with them, when we throw away? or perhaps sell autos that reek of gas?
Yes, I do think the Science and Technology jobs are better than human service jobs ... those human service jobs which are nothing more than administrative fat and padding ... created simply to offer someone a position of "employment". Unless you've been living in a cave, chances are you've used and have benefited from all the comforts of life that arises from science and technology.
you are entitled to your opinion. i cannot see your profile. however, from what you say, personally i don't think your too bright either mr. p. (since you feel it's ok to refer to another person in this manner)
You can see a hidden profile if you log-in to your account, but I unhid it. lizbeth took my profile too literally rather than the amusement that was intended.
that way you can all blame the poor people
No one is blaming ALL poor people ... just the irresponsible ones who think they're entitled to welfare handouts for bad choices.
not have the brains, guts or power to go after the ones on top who either are laughing their butts off at you
The ones at the top aren't the ones leeching off welfare to clean up stupid choices.
the cost of assisting people to help themselves is way lower than what our money goes into
You still don't get it do you?? No amount of assistance to people willfully screwing up has any value.
Your idea of allowing layers upon layers of redundant administrative and management positions in social services just so these people would have jobs is ludicrious. I think the term for that is "make work projects". There's no inherent value, but because of a perceived job title ... it sounds more acceptable. In actuality, that would be like giving them "almost welfare". Rather than have them sit at home and collect a handout check, they could go to "work" ... paper-push for a bit ... and get paid, but adding no value in the broad scheme of things. 
I've always managed to find a job ... whether that job is menial or something in my technical field. Amen. But menial jobs are below many of the unemployed leeches
I've alway felt that no job is too menial while a person is trying to improve a bad situation in life. The menial work is temporary until something more suitable comes along. Of course, the unemployed leeches will forgo a grunt job when welfare is there to give them a freebie. Why work at some piss-ass job when they could be at home drinking, smoking pot and making babies while waiting for the next check to be printed??
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Posted: 3/22/2008 6:50:18 AM |
I went out and found a job detailing cars to tide me over while I found another job bartending
What if you couldn't get a job at all not even cleaning the streets?? Jobs here have 100 applicants per job (sometimes more). You go for a street cleaning job, and they say you are over qualified they would rather give that job to someone who can't speak English and will stick at the job, not someone who is using it as a stepping stone.
I did this while raising two children.
Do you have a trophy for this or maybe a telegraph from the queen?? Why are you showing of, its nobig achievement!!
Was you a single parent at that time?? over here the very people like you wont give a single parent a job all they can see is there own preconceptions about what it would be like to give a single parent a job..
oh... and why would a person spend all their savings if not to improve their opportunities in life? I'll never understand that logic...
Maybe to by neccessities like food and shelter, because they have been made redundant and because they have a high status job no body will givethem a "menial job" as they are over qualified.
I know for fact that some people can not get a job because they are in fact over qualified, a friend of mine went for jobs as a cleaner, carer, cook anything that was going because she was too proud to claim welfare and was living off her saving she got nothing and lost all her savings in the end she lied to the bank got a loan and then was left in an even worse situation.. All this to prove something to you people..
I said join me sit at home enjoy your kids you choose to have kids why have soemone else caring forthem all day??
Some people are agiainst leaving their children all day they feel its there responsiblity to look after their children..
You are all so quick to judge me!!!
no one asked how long I have been on welfare, how I got welfare, what sitution brought me to it, how old my children are, nothing ...
WHY because all you see is your own jealousy and judgements...........
This is quite a good example of how hateful and judgemental people can be towards one another.. how about you walkin someone else shoes before you decide its so comfortable??
Borat made a good point in his film about the narrow mindedness of SOME Americans..
ROCK ON
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Posted: 3/22/2008 7:47:12 AM | going back a few pages, serenityCW did bring up a good point ... about just how much employment is CREATED by the whole welfare system . And, since the social workers are all so overloaded with their caseloads -and there is clearly a need for more fraud investigators - there should be a whole lot more jobs to come available! {Similarly, if you look at the employment created by crime, crime too could actually be seen as "functional" to our society}.
What percent of the population in Canada/US live paycheck -to-paycheck ... how many individuals/families could lose everything within a few months if the breadwinner is unable to work - or cannot get a job to pay enough to cover the mortgage/payments? Shouldn't the system help these people through temporary rough times ... BEFORE they are destitute?
Also, there are people other than drug addicts/alcoholics who are on welfare ... some "able-bodied" people have disabilities that are not physical and/or obvious, but do limit their abilities for education and employment. Personally, I can't think of too many employment opportunities for someone who has grand mal seizures on a regular basis, or a narcoleptic who can "drop" at any given moment, a person who has regular anxiety attacks, a person with heart problems, or any other physical/mental disorder (that is not obvious).
Understanding would be a whole lot less stressful than being so hostile and bitter because tax dollars are helping others ... the taxes aren't gonna be lowered NO MATTER WHAT .... the government will find ways to spend it... fear not. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 8:11:06 AM |
What if you couldn't get a job at all not even cleaning the streets?? Then I would have considered relocating.
I researched the unemployment statistics for the UK, and there are places which are not too far from where you are located that have quite low rates.
You go for a street cleaning job, and they say you are over qualified they would rather give that job to someone who can't speak English and will stick at the job, not someone who is using it as a stepping stone. Why not take the time to customize your résumé to promote yourself towards the position you are applying for? I'm sure that someone of your calibre would be able to find gainful employment in relatively close proximity ~ or are you over/under qualified for all positions which are currently being posted?
Why are you showing of, its nobig achievement!!Was you a single parent at that time?? I was simply stating the fact ~ and yes, I was a single parent at the time. And no, it wasn't a huge achievement ~ which is why I wonder that others aren't able to do the same.
*I would like to add that English doesn't seem to be your forté so your claim on positions being given to non-English residents appears moot.*
over here the very people like you wont give a single parent a job all they can see is there own preconceptions about what it would be like to give a single parent a job.. First of all, it's against the Human Rights Code to ask any personal questions during an interview. So when I'm reviewing resumes, this isn't something that is taken into consideration at all.
Secondly, statistically speaking, people with families tend to be more stable as employees. They are more likely to strive to work harder knowing that they are responsible for the well-being of more than just themselves and they are less likely to leave a place of employment as they realise that tenure with a job holds benefits which aren't always available at new companies.
Maybe to by neccessities like food and shelter, because they have been made redundant and because they have a high status job no body will givethem a "menial job" as they are over qualified. I see an investment in my future as a necessity as well.
no one asked how long I have been on welfare, how I got welfare, what sitution brought me to it, how old my children are, nothing ... Go ahead... tell your story and allow us to form opinions based on an individual circumstance. We're all waiting with bated breath.
WHY because all you see is your own jealousy and judgements........... Oh... that's right... we're jealous. My bad... in my haste to pass judgement, I completely missed the burning demon of jealousy that's riding my shoulder... 
This is quite a good example of how hateful and judgemental people can be towards one another.. how about you walkin someone else shoes before you decide its so comfortable?? This is the whole point. Many of us have sacrificed and striven for independence as opposed to riding the system. We've chosen to purchase homes knowing that if something breaks, we are the ones financially responsible for repairing it instead of comfortably being able to call someone and have it miraculously fixed while we sit on a computer spouting how unfair life has been to us.
Perhaps you should try walking a block in our shoes to realise the responsibility we willingly bear in order to remain employed. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 11:26:03 AM | | Psssst, I strongly suspect that me_back is not for real. I think she's against welfare and is posting the way she is to make welfare recipients look bad. No way do I believe she's 20 with 5 children, or that she's living high on the hog on welfare. That doesn't happen, *unless* you have another source of income, in which case you are committing fraud. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 11:41:39 AM |
Psssst, I strongly suspect that me_back is not for real. Mom2beagle, from her first post in this thread I would have agreed with you... but the last post she made is probably ringing true to her perceived current conditions.
Regardless, she's a young woman who is angry with society believing society owes her something...
Unfortunately, that has become a societal norm for poorly raised children. *shrug*
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Posted: 3/22/2008 11:56:49 AM | i agree mom2beagle. maybe in cohoots with another one on this thread as well who extracts excerpts from what you say and turns it all around. way too bizarre!
by the way, here they are forcing welfare moms to work. so now "they" pay other people money to watch their children for them. most still can barely put food on the table, many cannot afford cars, and the transportation here is lousy and unreliable. i have a friend who works a good assembly line job and has two special needs kids who are quite wild in their preteen years. her only choice is to leave them latchkey if she is to make enough for rent, tranportation, clothing and basic food. a relative took on her older teen. in addition to friends helping her out, she supplements from the food bank and mind you , she is intelligent but no time to get an education.
her ex is a deadbeat dad who drinks most of the time and hides his income by not reporting. here, where the jobs are, is one of the highest rent places in the usa as well as the cost of housing. if you are lucky to get a low income apt. it's in an unsafe area and still goes for about 1500 if you want two bedrooms with older kids. there is subsidized housing, but the waiting list is up to two years. unless of course, like another friend you can batt your white skin/ blue eyes at them and slip them a few (meaning you can afford it or have friends to borrow from). the rest have to wait in line.
i hear in other countries day care and even getting home aide assistance while pregnant or with young babies is also a freebie. here the day care business is adding money to the middle income crowd. depending upon where you live, like group homes, it can become big business--especially in larger cities. day care ranges in quality as well. some of it is great and you pay for it. but many have no clue what is happening to their kids, short of those who can afford nanny cameras in their own homes. the ones sent to work with young kids are not making enough to warrant the cost shifting and many of the kids are not getting quality rearing--thus we can predict a repetition of the cycle. education really does make the difference.
i agree that moving is often the best bet. i've done it, but let's face it--not everyone is that strong, so in that case it is the survival of the fittest. also many depend on relatives to help raise the kids while they work. if everyone were forced to move, my guess is that we'd then be dealing with a high rate of depression. but by all means, if you have the brains and drive and emotional stamina, then do it. i predict that our children will need to be moving all over the globe to find good jobs. so, encourage your children to learn more than just "english".
yes, some moms do make it and some get quality services. it depends on the community as well-- but many do not. the usa economy is slowly shifting to india, china, etc. along with the lower paid jobs that require less education. the middle class is shrinking away, leaving more poor and more rich people. the recent housing/mortage scandals impact on the stock market are just a teaser of things to come. there is an old tax formula designed eons ago that was supposed to tax the rich. it was never inflation adjusted and now it attacks mostly middle income families--further pushing them into the lower brackets. once again, greed and power. it will take it's toll, but not on the greedy and powerful. it will take it's toll on the average middle income person, who will in turn, blame the lower income person.
homeostasis occurs within our bodies and in our societies. there is a poem by aiken called the room, demonstrating order out of chaos. the order will return, but individually who knows who will remain? that scares people and makes them angry, so they point fingers--but rarely at the source. sure there are deadbeat welfare recipients, but in the scheme of things way more deadbeat power mongers. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 1:32:50 PM | PSSSSST you seem somewhat PSSSSST at the moment?
Then I would have considered relocating.
Ok have you seen the house prices in the UK at the moment? Have you checked the current house market in the UK?
Do you know the UK boasts stone housing? Not wooden shacks you may call a home
House prices are falling fast; to such a point people who sell up can barely pay up their mortgages let alone solicitors fees for the sale not to mention estate agents fees.
[quote}First of all, it's against the Human Rights Code to ask any personal questions during an interview. So when I'm reviewing resumes, this isn't something that is taken into consideration at all.
Secondly, statistically speaking, people with families tend to be more stable as employees. They are more likely to strive to work harder knowing that they are responsible for the well-being of more than just themselves and they are less likely to leave a place of employment as they realise that tenure with a job holds benefits which aren't always available at new companies
It is indeed against human rights that does not stop people from asking you questions, to determine if yo have a family.
Yes people with families are more stable employees, but this may or may not include single parents who have no one to turn to when their children are ill... Also single parents who are not perceived to be "pulling their weight" because they can not manage to contribute in the way of overtime because they have young to care for who are depending on mummy collecting them from their child care.
Why not take the time to customize your résumé to promote yourself towards the position you are applying for? I'm sure that someone of your calibre would be able to find gainful employment in relatively close proximity ~ or are you over/under qualified for all positions which are currently being posted?
Good plan I just did that, I had never thought of that!! I just wrote a new CV it states I am fantastic at cleaning, cooking, and gardening, child minding and now arguing with my friends over the pond...
was simply stating the fact ~ and yes, I was a single parent at the time. And no, it wasn't a huge achievement ~ which is why I wonder that others aren't able to do the same.
*I would like to add that English doesn't seem to be your forté so your claim on positions being given to non-English residents appears moot.*
Wooooow feisty, personal digs??? What do you mean by this? I know there are the odd few typos but that is because I am looking after 3 under 1s.
I have you know I have A-levels and started a degree I have a long list of qualifications. I have 9 certificates in frames in my dining room that does not include my GCSE and A-levels
I see an investment in my future as a necessity as well.
I agree.
Regardless, she's a young woman who is angry with society believing society owes her something...
Unfortunately, that has become a societal norm for poorly raised children. *shrug*
You know me well oh wise one, you know all about my upbringing? All about my children’s up bringing and all about my belief system do you?
I am constantly told what well mannered good children I have something that is not often seen in this world, people are constantly surprised at the excellent manners my children have even in the company of their cheeky peers. How many times have you met my children PSSSST? Or me for that matter...
I’m surprised you can see me from all the way up there in your ivory tower...
Bring it on baby
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Posted: 3/22/2008 8:16:24 PM | Too bad you can't be someone your litter...er.. kids could look up to.
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Posted: 3/22/2008 8:37:26 PM | | I personally do not care if someone is on welfare. I dont care even if they are abusing the system. I pay taxes for the people who abuse the system and the people who truly need it. Im not envious of people who get four figure incomes in the slightest. Even if they do no work for that four figure income. Im glad that in ontario we have welfare and want to see the amount of money people get increased so that they do not have to rely on further social assistance such as subsidised housing. I dont judge people for being on welfare regardless of weither they truly are lazy or they truly need it. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 8:43:25 PM | | Most people dont realise how much of their tax actually comes back to them in services. They over estimate the amount of money they give to a lazy fraudster. They are bitter about departing with those few dollars for that person a year. People are extremely envious over the time a welfare recipient has to say write a book or do whatever it is they want with their time while not having to worry too much about the bills. People are envious and this is their main reasoning for hating the welfare system. They are cynical about the people who recieve it. They are envious of the time they have to do other things other than work and they are stingy over the few hundred dollars they might pay to a handful of people that abuse the system over their life time. People are generally cold hearted when it comes to this issue because they are envious, jealous and cynical human beings. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 5:06:04 AM |
House prices are falling fast; to such a point people who sell up can barely pay up their mortgages let alone solicitors fees for the sale not to mention estate agents fees. Then jump on it. It appears to be a buyers market.
It is indeed against human rights that does not stop people from asking you questions, to determine if yo have a family.
Yes people with families are more stable employees, but this may or may not include single parents who have no one to turn to when their children are ill... Also single parents who are not perceived to be "pulling their weight" because they can not manage to contribute in the way of overtime because they have young to care for who are depending on mummy collecting them from their child care. I have no empathy for a person who willingly allows themself to be a victim.
You have choices just like the rest of us. You are choosing to allow these things to hold you back.
Good plan I just did that, I had never thought of that!! I just wrote a new CV it states I am fantastic at cleaning, cooking, and gardening, child minding and now arguing with my friends over the pond... Great... now get out there and start distributing that puppy to employers!!!
Kudos to you for taking the first step... 
I have you know I have A-levels and started a degree I have a long list of qualifications. I have 9 certificates in frames in my dining room that does not include my GCSE and A-levels Is one a letter from the queen? | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 5:21:09 AM | If they are on welfare for being sick or as a temporarly solution is one thing.Thats what its for !
What pisses me off is the ones that have kids every 10 month,kids they can`t support!
Kids they can`t pay day care for or food. Most of these kids go to a pre school we pay for so the mother sits on her ass at home doing nothing.SO ,we the working people pay for the low income housing,we pay for their foodstamps and lets not forget the medical bills.I had a tubelagation after my second child because I chose to work ,pay my own daycare and feed them from the money I made.I also had to look around to find housing I could afford and still a decent neighborhood.When I have big medical bills because my son twisted his ankle it takes me a few month to pay it off.
I`ve been a single mother for the last 14 years and if i can do so can others but I realize its easier to take the easy way out. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 5:26:54 AM | If they are on welfare for being sick or as a temporary solution is one thing.Thats what its for !
What pisses me off is the ones that have kids every 10 month,Kids they can`t support!
Kids they can`t pay day care for or food. Most of these Kids go to a pre school we pay for so the mother sits on her ass at home doing nothing.SO ,we the working people pay for the low income housing,we pay for their foodstamps and lets not forget the medical bills.I had a tubelagation after my second child because I chose to work ,pay my own daycare and feed them from the money I made.I also had to look around to find housing I could afford and still a decent neighborhood.When I have big medical bills because my son twisted his ankle it takes me a few month to pay it off.
I`ve been a single mother for the last 14 years and if I can do so can others but I realize its easier to take the easy way out . | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 12:11:58 PM | Padawan...
lizbeth took my profile too literally rather than the amusement that was intended.....
^^now that really amuses me! ....I have seen your picture before when you had it posted on your profile....so perhaps you haven't considered the fact we may have crossed paths before this thread?
Correct me, but isn't misrepresenting yourself on your profile for amusement kinda breakin the rules?...but hey..your seceret is safe with me....it's not like I haven't broken the rules on the forum before..like for example calling someone a *********** at one time.....or many, times by posting in three's....(btw..another no no here...)
The picture I have seen of you clearly shows you to be what is considered an ethnic minority in Canada...assuming that it was actually a picture of you....
So having said that, don't you think that you owe some of your fellow Canadians who are in a tough spot a hand up so they may achieve a better life in our country? (notice how I said OUR country) It would be politically incorrect for me to make a guess that you are less of a Canadian because you are only the second or third generation that has been born here.Perhaps you should trace your lineage back to when your family first immigrated here. I am sure that there was people who helped your family with a hand up....you know why?....because it is the Canadian way. I do encourage you to review your family history and perhaps the reason your family immigrated to Canada.
I am aware though padawan, that this thread has seemed to turn into a soap-box for some of you to make your points by highlighting the few people who abuse the system...
Ya'know...some people would call you a hypocrite for boosting your own eago by stepping on others....but I would never say any of these things......because it just wouldn't be politically correct..would it? Comments like that might be taken to be predjiduce in some way.....y'know what I mean eh?...  ..
I do thank-you for the amusement you have given me though.....and I hope none of you have taken my comments or profile to literallie........<< | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 7:25:06 PM | ^^^^^
now that really amuses me! ....I have seen your picture before when you had it posted on your profile
Considering that I've never had my picture on my profile, that's a good trick.
Correct me, but isn't misrepresenting yourself on your profile for amusement kinda breakin the rules?
I guess POF will have to send me the summons to appear in court.
you to be what is considered an ethnic minority in Canada
So having said that, don't you think that you owe some of your fellow Canadians who are in a tough spot a hand up so they may achieve a better life in our country?It would be politically incorrect for me to make a guess that you are less of a Canadian because you are only the second or third generation that has been born here.Perhaps you should trace your lineage back to when your family first immigrated here. I am sure that there was people who helped your family with a hand up....you know why?....because it is the Canadian way. I do encourage you to review your family history and perhaps the reason your family immigrated to Canada
There's that $hitty word again "handup". Get with it ... it's a handout, nothing more. I'm well aware of my family history in Canada and we've never had a handup or handout for that matter. We persevered on our own. That's why I have no tolerance for anyone needing a handout to clean up their poor choices. I don't owe anyone (anything). Can I make that any clearer for you?? It's only the people who have accepted a handout that advocate it for others. Kinda like preaching your pet causes. Ya know, the MS patient who will fight for MS funding.
some people would call you a hypocrite for boosting your own eago by stepping on others
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Posted: 3/24/2008 12:25:01 AM | They over estimate the amount of money they give to a lazy fraudster. They are bitter about departing with those few dollars for that person a year. People are extremely envious over the time a welfare recipient has to say write a book or do whatever it is they want with their time while not having to worry too much about the bills. People are envious and this is their main reasoning for hating the welfare system.
I assure you the vast, vast majority of us are not envious of being poor. And LOL at a welfare recipient writing a book. They can't read "take daily" on a packet of birth control pills. Do you really think they're writing the next War & Peace?
You're also missing the point. Just because it's not the largest expense doesn't mean it's okay for people to take advantage of it. I don't care whether they're getting 5 cents out of my paycheck or 5 dollars. I have NO respect for people like that. We have every right to look down on someone who takes advantage of other people. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/24/2008 12:47:22 AM | | If anyone cares to account the expenditure of their taxes in terms of their professed values, there will be far more interesting things they fund than the very tiny portion going to the occasional undeserved can of soda or pack of cigarettes. People get puffed up about small things they can relate to that hearken back to the indignations and injustices of childhood that made them feel helpless and taken advantage of. They do not comprehend the societal issue broadly, do not understand the nature of the economy or of government, and so they indulge in smaller emotions at the level where they do connect. It's the resentment of small minds protesting misplaced pennies while the priceless potential of what else we might otherwise achieve lays unclaimed for being invisible to their imaginations. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/25/2008 6:45:57 PM | Looks like this thread got quite boring with out me here to brighten it up!
Unfortunately I have been unable to post for two days sorry to all those who missed me, I am back now and will endeavour to keep you all entertained again.
I do not judge anybody, or at least I do my very best not to, I think before you judge somebody you should get to know their true circumstances and take some time to get to know them.
For the people who have tried to belittle me or make nasty comments about me or my family (you know who you are and aren't)
I will continue to be myself, and the people whom matter won't care, and the people who care don't matter!
As long as I can go to bed with my self at night and look my self in the mirror, your opinions will remain just that..
I have nothing to prove to anybody
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/26/2008 12:52:14 AM | Okay....I read the majority and for the small-minded idiots who don't take the time to know each individual's situation, I pity you.
Here in the USA, we pay taxes out of our income. When/if we need asistance, we're getting back what we put in....up to a point, obviously. I do agree with the fact that something has to be done about those who continue to have multiple children while on welfare. Having children going in, is a whole other story.
Also, here in the USA, those on welfare are not only allowed to, but encouraged to work. You can make up to a certain amount before you're considered abusing the system. The purpose is to help one survive. Unfortunately, I'm unable to work and have little access to even make attempts. I wouldn't wish my existence on Hitler himself. There ARE those who abuse it. There ARE those who take it as a free ride. There ARE those who depend on it for survival and for those of you who judge all by the actions of a few, I hope like HELL you don't end up requiring it and have the stigma and small-minded opinions it attracts from people such as yourselves.
...oh and I don't get free medical and dental. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/26/2008 4:01:56 AM | LOL. You're right, Me_Back ... this thread has kinda stalled so let's shake things up a bit.
The OT was: "Why judge people on welfare". That judgment was directed at those who have made poor choices and then expect society to coddle them with handouts (as a way of life) while taking no initiatives to better themselves.
A few posters have tried to sidetrack the thread with arguments unrelated to the OT.
One poster brought up the idea of disabled children requiring social assistance because their less than responsible fathers decided they don't want the job and that everyone here (who are against welfare cheats) must also be against the disabled children as well. That's ridiculous.
Another poster brought up the idea of immigrants needing assistance. Well, most immigrants who arrive in the US, Canada and other industrialized nations tend to be hardworking individuals seeking only a better life for their families in a new land. Very few arrive expecting taxpayers to support their 20 kids. They would rather work hard to achieve their dreams ... whatever that may be. Should immigrants require assistance to overcome language barriers, to find employment or to start a business ... then help is not unreasonable to give. If immigrants come here with the notion that they can sit on their butts and collect a life from taxpayers, then they're no better than the native cheaters/abusers and should be kicked to the curb too.
Yet another poster brought up the idea of the neccessity of social service delivery as a way of providing people with jobs. That's an entirely different discussion topic.
I had no Employment Insurance to claim benefits as I was technically self-employed. I went out and found a job detailing cars to tide me over while I found another job bartending.
While bartending, I took courses to increase my education level and make myself more employable in a society where others were not willing to take the time or expend the energy to ensure their personal stability.
I did this while raising two children.
If I can do it... why can't others?
psssst, the simple answer would be: it's easier to rely on the resources of others than to take responsibility ... go out there and do some work. Such welfare abusers will use their children as the excuse for not even trying.
What if you couldn't get a job at all not even cleaning the streets?? Jobs here have 100 applicants per job (sometimes more)
That would depend on where you live, Me_Back. Here in Alberta, employers are crying out for workers. Although the jobs aren't high paying career types, it's still work, but for some people, they would rather sit around and collect a welfare check while producing more and more children to use as their "crutch" ... and without any motivations to better themselves.
some "able-bodied" people have disabilities that are not physical and/or obvious, but do limit their abilities for education and employment
And not all disabled people are unemployable. Depending on the disability, some are determined enough to compensate for their limitations and actually get a job. If they could do it, why can't the able-bodies do it too??
What percent of the population in Canada/US live paycheck -to-paycheck ... how many individuals/families could lose everything within a few months if the breadwinner is unable to work - or cannot get a job to pay enough to cover the mortgage/payments? Shouldn't the system help these people through temporary rough times ... BEFORE they are destitute?
Again you're missing the point as to those who need temporary legitimate assistance as opposed to those who deliberately abuse the system and want welfare to be a way of life.
All this talk about how the kids will suffer if social services were reduced or somehow made more difficult to qualify for ... but that's the whole point ... bring children into the world without securing your own life first is practically a guarantee that the kids will turn out to be users and abusers of the system too and the cycle is repeated yet again.
Secondly, statistically speaking, people with families tend to be more stable as employees
That would depend on the family involved. A worker with a family to feed may indeed be more dependable but that doesn't mean a person without family is cavalier about their profession either. It depends entirely on the person's character.
They are envious of the time they have to do other things other than work and they are stingy over the few hundred dollars they might pay to a handful of people that abuse the system over their life time. People are generally cold hearted when it comes to this issue because they are envious, jealous and cynical human beings
I doubt that the people who are against welfare cheats are actually envious as you claim ... cynical ... yes, but envious ... no, since abusers (by definition) is getting something out of a system for which they don't deserve.
I don't care whether they're getting 5 cents out of my paycheck or 5 dollars
I tend to agree ... it's not the amount, but rather the idea, that someone is getting something for nothing simply because of their poor choices in life that limited their ability to work.
I read the majority and for the small-minded idiots who don't take the time to know each individual's situation, I pity you
Perhaps you need to read more closely as to what has been said by the posters who judge welfare cheats. They operative word have been (throughout this thread) cheater/abusers who will not better themselves to get off welfare. Your need for temporary assistance is a stark contrast to those who see welfare as a way of life.  | |
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