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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/31/2008 6:33:13 AM |  Amen Suju. Many times welfare is a last resort and ends up being the saving grace in a persons life. Again I say...Amen Suju..well put. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/31/2008 9:44:24 AM | It's the abusers that make it hard for the honest persons that are down on their luck, to get decent help. I used to baby sit for a lot of single parents that were trying to get ahead by going to university and college. It seems the harder they tried to get an education so they could look after their children - the more abuse they got from the system. They borrowed for the student loans and handed it right over to the welfare system in order to get a monthly cheque, it's been 10 years ago now. but at that time they received approx. $100. more a month than they would have had living off the student loan. I started up a bank account for those small children to put away their birthday/Xmas money etc. The welfare system found out about this and (two kids only had saved about $200. each over a 4 year period.) YET!!! The so called welfare system said kids on welfare can't have a bank account and made them take it out to pay for the housing.... How do you explain that to a small child? These children were even put in a slow learners class at school. Talk about being stigmatized.
So before critizing others, maybe you should walk in their shoes.
In speaking of a person faults, pray dont forget your own!!
Remember those with homes of glass, should never throw a stone!
If we have nothing else to do but talk of those who sin......
It's better if we stay at home and from that point begin... | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/31/2008 9:45:16 AM |
Because, you ... like many others do see a career as necessary to a person's emotional health. A job is more than just money.
Well I had to leave my last job in order to save my emotional health. I needed that break from working to recover my health and sanity. But it really is no life sitting around doing sweet FA all day. It's very boring. And I always have been a career minded person, for example I served in the British Armed Forces for a number of years and also the fire brigade, and then my last job was as a scientist.
But after needing a break from my job, I am bored and am wasting my skills and talents. But I did need to quit my job, and I did need to claim benifits for a few months but now Im recovered and fighting fit to take on the world again.
I dont think I deserve to be in the same catagory as those that cant be arsed to work etc, not that I have been classed as such (I dont think). We all have different reasons for not working. Mine was to get away frnm a mentalist bully.
But yup all is looking good now, Ive spend a day shadowing a pharma rep today - she was marvellous. And this week Im being interviewed for a business managers role.
But in the mean time, until I am offered one of these jobs then I will be claiming from our benifits system. Hopefully not for too much longer though.
Oooooh I did look fab in my power suit hahah | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/1/2008 1:16:04 AM | I used to baby sit for a lot of single parents that were trying to get ahead by going to university and college
If you're referring to young single parents ... the ones in their teens, late teens or early twenties ... then it would've been their own choice (to have had babies) before completing school/higher education. It's not societies' fault (in that case) when they find it tough to go to class with their children's well-being to consider. They should've stopped and really thought about the ramifications of children (on completing further education). In other words, if you haven't built the foundations of a life for yourself (yet), then having babies won't make life any easier.
So before critizing others, maybe you should walk in their shoes
And why should I have to walk in their shoes when I've never made such choices??
In speaking of a person faults, pray dont forget your own!!
I, for one, haven't forgotten my own faults, but those faults don't require the assistance of society to bail me out of a difficult situation.
Remember those with homes of glass, should never throw a stone!
They can if that glass is bullet-proof. 
Because, you ... like many others do see a career as necessary to a person's emotional health. A job is more than just money Well I had to leave my last job in order to save my emotional health. I needed that break from working to recover my health and sanity
I was speaking more in general terms than any specific job. If a career is unfulfilling and is driving you insane, then leave it for something better. I was implying that most of us need some sense of daily accomplishment to feel good about ourselves and work/learning is the source of that. I suppose the cheaters/abusers of welfare lack this quality. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/1/2008 2:58:05 PM |
The welfare system found out about this and (two kids only had saved about $200. each over a 4 year period.) YET!!! The so called welfare system said kids on welfare can't have a bank account and made them take it out to pay for the housing.... I'm going to call bull on this one...
If you check with the federal laws on this, children on welfare are not allowed to have accounts in excess of $5000.00 each.
I know people who have used their welfare cheque to pay off their mortgage... the law has recently changed for the better to prohibit this.
So before critizing others, maybe you should walk in their shoes. Sounds reasonable...
I'm going to hand in my notice to the company I work for, then in a month, I'll start doing drugs and drinking each and every weekend... 
Give me a break... simply because I've made a conscious choice not to abuse the system doesn't make me incapable of seeing reasoning and logic.
In speaking of a person faults, pray dont forget your own!! This is presuming I have a fault... | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:30:34 PM | | I have never been on welfare, and I have been laid off and fired a few times. I have worked all my life but never received any help from the government when I lose jobs. I took Friday off and the boss called me at 4:45, and said hi Vick just called to let you know you are fired... No kidding. Just like that. I didn't think welfare was that easy to get anyway. I would rather work, but if I could get some help until I get a job then what the hell. I have paid taxes all these years. Someone please tell me where to go for welfare. I am ready to sign up. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 3:40:40 AM | | oooh I have my interview tomorrow!! Theres only me in the running for it, so I had better be ace! | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 4:24:38 AM | I don't judge people on welfare. I judge people on welfare who have no good reason to be on welfare.
In my city you can go to welfare once. It used to be that you could sit on your ass all day waiting for your next cheque but people got sick and tired of the freeloaders and welfare was forced to clamp down.
Now the deal is simple : You go to welfare. They help you find a job and they give you a little bit of cash in the meantime. It's not much anyway so it's hardly any incentive to stick around. The minute you have a job that's it, you're on your own for good. If you get fired or quit for no good reason then that's too bad for you. You're going to have to find another job pretty quickly if you want to pay your rent on time because you won't get a dime from welfare.
If you got laid off, you go to EI (employment insurance) While you're waiting for your first cheque from them (something like a month to six weeks I hear) then welfare might give you a little cash but you'll have to pay them back when your first cheque arrives.
If you get sick then welfare will take you in. If you've got children under a certain age (I think it's four) then you can claim welfare benefits. Once you get better and/or your children are old enough, you'd better have a job lined up though because those cheques just ended.
Every able-bodied person who wants assistance has to sign a contract in this province. The contract basically says : We'll give you some cash and help you get a job. Don't blow it because it's not our problem from now on. Good luck and nice knowing you. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
We're screaming for workers here. I could walk out on my job halfway through my shift and have four or five to choose from within a few hours. Welfare knows this. You don't want to take a job because it's not what you're trained for ? Too bad. Welfare isn't there so you can sit on your ass waiting for 'the right opportunity'. You can do that with a minimum wage job too after all. Don't want to take a job because it doesn't pay enough ? Too bad. It pays more than welfare does anyway and nobody is stopping you from searching for something with higher pay while you're working.
Hell, we've even got a 'snitch line' set up to rat out welfare frauds.
Ten years ago it was different. People sat around collecting their cheques, doing nothing with themselves, and drinking or smoking the public's cash away. Then the public finally had enough. So long freeloaders. We don't really care where you go but we're not paying for your lazy ass any more. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 6:10:04 AM | I'm going to hand in my notice to the company I work for, then in a month, I'll start doing drugs and drinking each and every weekend...
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THAT is such a bull shyt blanket rude statement if i ever saw one !!! and YOU should be ahamed! it has been said over and over throughtout this entire senseless thread that we are targeting ONLY ABUSERS and YOU come along saying this as if evcry single person on welfare does drugs and drinks ... BULLSHYT!!
COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY OFFENSIVE!
this whole thread is so utterly stupid because as much as each poster agrue over whether or not welfare is a valid system there will ALWAYS be welfare abusers that over shadows the few honest which makes the arguement one sided
all you anti- welfare ranters... what persons or situations would you say is allowable to use welfare???
and leave it at that!!!!!
no more insults and no more bloody poking a brick wall trying to change opinions because it CLEARLY JUST AINT HAPPENING  | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:45:09 AM | | There is allot of frustration to those that do take advantage of the system and believe it or not when it comes to trying to get assistance as I well know it is hard to do. But those who are saying it is all woman and they need to become sterilized are so wrong, and bias Why do you think it is all woman?? Blame it on the woman, never the man what I am reading. I am a single parent and not by a decision I ever wanted to make but was forced into it as the ex thought drugs and drinking was his way of supporting the kids. So I got a divorce and moved on for the best interest of my children. NOW does the ex help out with support or insurance, NO. I work 2 jobs taking care of my family and of course with the cost of living I cannot get insurance, so my young ones have Insurance through the State. Now I would not have to if the lazy Ex would get a job and help out like a father should. But of course it is my fault that I left the abusive marriage. Now my question is to all Am I abusing the system. No I am taking care of my children, being a responsible adult.Am I embarrassed to use the system YES, but I also know that I am being characterized because I do. But at least I am doing it for my children and that is all that matters. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:00:18 AM |
I work 2 jobs taking care of my family and of course with the cost of living I cannot get insurance, so my young ones have Insurance through the State.
ktdr625, you are not abusing the system or being judged. You are working, not one, but two jobs to support yourself and your children. You are receiving health insurance for your children. Calm down darlin'
The abusers are the ones who are not working and not trying to help themselves. Those are the ones everyone is complaining about. You are working, you are trying to fix your situation and are getting minimal help for your children so that they have health coverage. You clearly do not want to be assistance and are obviously looking for a way out of the system.
The common complaint is the folks who don't want out of the system and feel they are entitled to stay on welfare as long as possible, and when it looks like benefits may run out, find a way to stay on the system even longer.
Good luck to you and hang in there.
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:02:37 AM | | I been reading these posts and just had to throw this in. Dont be too hard on those on welfare. the way things are going anyone, but I really think all of us are headed that way. any money let for the poor working guy? Answer ,sorry pal , outta luck. try again later | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/2/2008 6:36:52 PM |
THAT is such a bull shyt blanket rude statement if i ever saw one !!! and YOU should be ahamed! it has been said over and over throughtout this entire senseless thread that we are targeting ONLY ABUSERS and YOU come along saying this as if evcry single person on welfare does drugs and drinks ... BULLSHYT!!
COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY OFFENSIVE! Guess you missed my next statement which highlighted that one as sarcasm huh?
Incredibly enough... I'm not ashamed. *shrug* | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 12:04:46 AM |
If people are on welfare it is because they are entitled to it. End of the story. Wrong. Being qualified for is not synonymous with being entitled to.
Here in the USA, we pay taxes out of our income. When/if we need asistance, we're getting back what we put in....up to a point, obviously Most of us don't ever get what we put into it back, and most of those getting out of it never put in. Those who end up getting back on their feet later on may start contributing but they never pay back what they already got. They're still getting more than they put in.
There ARE those who depend on it for survival and for those of you who judge all by the actions of a few, I hope like HELL you don't end up requiring it and have the stigma and small-minded opinions it attracts from people such as yourselves. If I ever get any kind of government assistance it's going to be because I need it, not because I don't care to do anything else. Not to mention I'm not sure how I'd ever get welfare considering I'll never have kids. I also have disability insurance that will cover me until I'm 65 should I not be able to do my job for whatever reason, and then after that I have a pretty decent retirement plan. It's funny the things you can accomplish when you plan ahead and don't make foolish choices (like bringing babies you can't afford into the world  ).
My are you ever so generous- Why not try paying a real living wage and maybe people will work for you Must be nice to be so well off you can be a beggar, yet you can be choosy as well. Wonder how that one works.
I am curious about the following:
how many folks who have posted here have ever received the "earned income credit" as part of their tax refund?
how many folks who have posted here went to college or trade school and received financail aid from the government or have received the Hope and Learning Tax credit?
How about the Child tax credit on your taxes?
These are all forms of, yep, you guessed it, welfare. Don't worry, I'm childfree. I'm left behind all the time. No perks for me. Families first and all that shit.
To the dude who kept spewing "you shoulda thought about having kids if you couldn't take care of them". Yeah, because that's the case ALL the time, huh? Every woman on welfare is not reproductively irresponsible. Many had comfortable lives and due to the death of her spouse, a layoff from a job, divorce, or injury, they've had to seek help. I'd LOVE to know the percentage of welfare recipients that are in this boat. I'd also like to know why 6 months-1 year isn't enough time for them to get out of that boat. P.S. I mentioned those people as VALID welfare recipients, with a time limit of course.
when i got laid off last year, i went on unemployment for a little bit, because i honestly just didn't feel like working. Unemployment isn't welfare. Unemployment is paid by your previous employer, and it's only paid for valid reasons. You also have to be looking for employment while receiving it. I see nothing wrong with that.
I am sorry you have no tolerance for people who are less fortunate than yourself You make your own luck. This isn't Ethiopia. We have all the opportunities in the world here.
I have had many...welfare recipients....turn down an $ 8.00 per hour + over time entry level, full time job $8...$0 ....$8......$0..... $1400 a month working ft....$800 sitting on my ass....$1400 working full time..... $800 sitting on my ass... Hold on a second, I'm weighing my options... Earned money....free money....earned money....
their probally on welfare because they gotta takecare of their kids, or need the money, cause their job isnt paying the rent. Why are they having kids they can't afford? Kids are a privilege, not a right, and until you can raise them properly and on your own you shouldn't be having any.
You were attacking a mother who had not one but 2 disabled children and was collecting welfare!! I am a license dog trainer and I specialize with disabled children. The fact that I am also epileptic and suffer from seizures gives me a great ability to train my wonderful canines for seizure alert as well. Shall I go on with my knowledge of disabilities and how many SINGLE MOTHERS need assistance for very expensive medical needs?? 1. I haven't attacked anyone. Truth hurts. If it isn't the truth it won't affect you. 2. I didn't realize I helped create the kids so I should be supporting them, my bad.  P.S. wtf is your point?
Yeah yeah I worked at Kinder care when I was 16 too!! Now go vote you fool!! I do vote, dumbass. I appreciate your concern, though. When you're paying my bills like I'm paying your welfare mom friends', you can have some input.
it it also isn't "beneath" me to work as a waitress or fast food employee if I had to in order to meet my financial obligations. Exactly.  I find it fascinating minimum wage jobs aren't good enough for welfare mooches, yet the minimum wage workers are paying their dues out of their checks, which are going right to the moochers.
if you don't have a job, then your job is to spend 40 hours a week finding a job I mentioned that earlier in this thread, and that's what my parents always told me.
Stop the dope or you will have a sad life. Too late. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:41:05 AM | [as much as each poster agrue over whether or not welfare is a valid system there will ALWAYS be welfare abusers that over shadows the few honest which makes the arguement one sided]
yes as i stated earlier in this thread...its a no win debate but at least it makes more sense why many have harsh views on welfare...all the ranters can do is talk about what gets to them and what they feel should be done or as said before do research then discuss the issue so it can be a logical discussion instead of immature name calling and insults | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 8:54:18 AM | You were attacking a mother who had not one but 2 disabled children and was collecting welfare!! I am a license dog trainer and I specialize with disabled children. The fact that I am also epileptic and suffer from seizures gives me a great ability to train my wonderful canines for seizure alert as well. Shall I go on with my knowledge of disabilities and how many SINGLE MOTHERS need assistance for very expensive medical needs?? 1. I haven't attacked anyone. Truth hurts. If it isn't the truth it won't affect you. 2. I didn't realize I helped create the kids so I should be supporting them, my bad. P.S. wtf is your point?
I was the one with 2 disabled kids that used welfare, I was on it for 3 months and I was thrown in with your spewing about welfare abusers. I do ot see how using it for 3 months almost 3 years ago until I could get a better job to support them. When I say better I do not mean I sat around and waited for a job with more money, in fact I ended up taking a pay cut, but I needed to find a job that a) allowed me to bring my kids with me and b) allowed me to work split shift so I could homeschool them since the school system cold no longer help them. It took me 3 months that's it, then I was back working. Right now I collect EI as I am on mat leave, that is not the same as welfare, as son as my mat leave is over I am back working jsut like I was before. It really ticked me off to be clumped together with welfare abusers for using t temporarily to take better care of my kids. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 10:30:16 AM | why judge people on welfare?
is the person asking this question really that stupid, or has it honestly been that long since they've received a paycheque with their own name on it??!
people with disabilities don't get welfare, they get Disability. 2 completely different gov't. disbursements in canada, I don't know about the US welfare system.
in canada, if you collect welfare and claim to be disabled, YOU ARE A WELFARE SCAMMER or a really bad liar thats too lazy to go and get work to support yourself and thats just what you tell people so they don't look at you for what you know damn well you are.
if you are too lazy and useless to help yourself, why the fuk should I lose pay from my day of BS to put food on your table? since when has any welfare receipient ever come and worked for me for the money i provide UNWILLINGLY from each and every paycheque?!
In the child situation, there are such things as accidents, and you can't regulate human nature. people have sex/make love/fuk, whatever you want to call it and yes, making a child when you know damn well you can't afford to have one, thats just wrong and you shouldn't even be entitled to keep the child, that you cannot financially care for. but unfortunately, people aren't very smart most of the time, or just don't care. well, I am tired of paying for some lazy fukkin prick to stay home and watch TV while mysef and many others goto a place they hate, most doing work they hate just so that the gov't can take whatever money they want BEFORE they even get a cent to take care of theirown families.
if you have 1 child, goto school, take care of your child and yourself properly, and are a productive member of society - Shit happens, you had a child but are doing things to correct the finance problem, i'm all for it, give the GIRL a cheque to help her out. if you were in that same position but got yourself pregnant with a second, you are pathetic, with absolutely no regard for anyone else and you should be tossed on the street with NOTHING! once is an accident, twice is no fukkin accident!
single mothers, you as well should be granted the help IF you fit very stringient guidelines, we have a thing called child-support for a reason;) and if you're a guy, theres no reason why you can't have employment, plain and simple. If I was running the welfare show, the people on "The System" would have a whole lot to be worried about!!! there would be ALOT less little yellow envelopes in the mail at the end of the month. everyone in Canada knows a welfare receipient when were in the bank, the gov't is so very nice as to make their envelopes a different shade of yellow than anything else in the mail so we can identify who's taking the food outta our mouths.
I'm not a nasty person, but I get real nasty about a few areas, and welfare is almost the biggest one. HEY! Lets all take a free ride on "The System" and give every working person in the country a big fat kick in the a** all at the same time! sounds nice doesn't it? to the idiot that started this thread... When your dumb-a** goes to work every day, do a job you despise, with people you hate even more than the work and at the end of the week when you get paid you see 1/2 or sometimes even more than 1/2 of your cheque was deducted by the gov't because you make a nice number and they think you can afford the loss to pay for some fukkin loser that won't get off their ass, making your finances harder than they should be, you let me know how it feels!!
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 2:43:24 PM |
in canada, if you collect welfare and claim to be disabled, YOU ARE A WELFARE SCAMMER
Then how do you explain that the welfare system has a "Disabled" and "Partially Disabled" category? Obviously, THEY recognize that disabled people are disabled - and also obviously, there ARE disabled people on welfare. Qualifying for the disability allowances you mentioned is not automatic, as many have learned the hard way.
As I've said before, there are only three reasons to attack people on welfare: ignorance, stupidity, or bigotry. Regarding this post, I'll be generous and put it down to ignorance. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 4:54:12 PM | you can put it down to anything you want, learn the gov't and its individual systems, THEN and only then, take one line out of my entire post to yap about!
when the applicant chooses the 'Disabled' or 'Partially Disabled' category, they get shifted to the DISABILITY department, which is completely, 100% a different disbursement.
people on welfare that claim to be disabled are fukking SCAMMERS because truely disabled people in canada get a thing called DISABILITY! welfare refuses disability cases becasue theres a separate dep't for just that purpose, where they serve only those with disabilities. new concept to you? been in the country long smart guy?
me ignorant? I think not. you sir are uneducated at best. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 5:05:56 PM | STD : Short Term Disability - Similar to Welfare, but not nearly the same thing. you will receive this for the duration of time while applying for Full or LTD; Long Term Disability. if you're a scammer or not a legit disability case, you get denied LTD and STD and sent to the welfare office.
people WELFARE, DISABILITY, EI...all separate disbursements, none have anything to do with another. an EI recipient IS NOT a welfare recipient. a welfare recipient is a welfare recipient. get it straight, get it right. so stupid people like the one right above my 2 posts here, don't get all confused and misled. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 5:18:46 PM | I don't judge people on welfare. I judge people on welfare who have no good reason to be on welfare.
I think Gotapulse nailed it for all of us that are having to work for a living no matter what in order to survive, yet still see the "leeches" of society in Canada AND the US not to mention other countries that still choose to abuse the system with our tax dollars and popping out kids just to gain a financial advantage for themselves from the welfare system.
I swear, I would give an appendage just to have a child and I would work my ass off to make sure that child had the upbringing and education to know the value of a dollar and what it means to your self-esteem when you actually "earn that dollar" instead of it being given to you.
Here's a question for you. Why are people that are on welfare so quick to judge people that aren't?? I mean come on...when I mention that I'm financially stable based on my past choices and live on an island because I MADE IT HAPPEN based on hard work and countless sacrifices without having to rely on any government assistance, then I'm "bragging." Yes..I could lose my job tomorrow, but I can guarantee you I would have another one in a week because I'm motivated as hell to stay on this island and as I said before, NO job is beneath me in order to make a living. What IS beneath me is to take a "hand out" from anyone, not just the government.
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/3/2008 5:54:28 PM | Sanschele, I have to wonder at your level of intelligence here....
I'm a woman.
If you're going to try to argue here, at least do it with a modicum of intelligence.
I apologize for talking to you as if you were a man, and please don't wonder about my level of intelligence as I'll put it up against yours any day, hon.
If you have the stupidity to tell everyone on a public forum that you take a hit from your "bong" nightly and then try to argue why you are on welfare then I have to question if you actually graduated from high school, hon.
Well, did you? Waiting patiently for your reply hon, or do you have to be stoned at the taxpayer's expense in order to reply? And who the hell is paying for your internet connection while on you're on welfare???? Ohhh...I see...*slapping forehead* WE ARE!!
And do have a nice day!!
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/4/2008 7:46:46 AM | its not right to judge ppl just because they don't work...has anyone ever wondered why so many are ignorant about the ppl on welfare?? its not a pity thread either just curious to others thoughts on the issue...shouldn't one have enough decency to ask why/how there on it???...
Hmmm that comment seems kinda familiar...where have I read that before....give me a sec...OH YEAH....it was part of the the origional post /question from the person who initiated this thread!
.....right...I forgot this thread was about the abusers and not how some people have automatic judgements of someone collecting welfare....see post # 1 for a refresher of the topic Padawanabe !!
FINALLY, she sees the light!! Hallelujah!!! .........<<<< ...I will mourn all of the sacrcasim I have posted that has been lost on you...clearly it was wasted...*sighs*..
Perhaps some people need read the opening post again in this thread.
It is alot easier to presume that the majority of people recieving assistance are milking the system.
All I see is a bunch of people who don't have the "decency" to ask the questions of why a person might need assistance...who the hell made some of you people judge and jury?
If you don't like the way the social system works here in Canada...petition for change and do something constructive to change it.
I find it ironic that a few of you will only concede to someone needing assistance if it meets a specific criteria. | |
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