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Posted: 4/20/2008 9:56:05 AM | Well it's nice to see the tone in here changing just a little bit... the less talk of sterilization the better.
I think everyone is in agreement that there are people that abuse the system. I think where some of us differ is that some of us understand said abuse to be a symptom of a bigger issue. When you realize that, and if you keep taking objective steps back you understand it to be a part of a series of systemic issues...all connected and poisoning our society and our economy.
Once you're able to see the picture from that perspective, you realize how fruitless it is to focus on such a small group of individuals, who are in fact microscopic when compared to the true scope of the problem. They are one hair in a huge clogged drain and splitting hairs is no way to fix it.
Should there be more effective controls on the distribution of these resources??? Absoloutely...but if you work on eliminating the need for these services first...if you devote most of your effort to that then you are far more likely to affect a real, change. Granted a change that will take time but one that will defintiely improve the situation, and will keep improving it. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 12:53:40 AM | chemistryNkisses,
You hit the nail on the head with your last post. I wish I had the same patience and the tolerance you have demonstrated in this thread.
People who complain about abuse of the welfare system don't put any effort into fixing the problems that can make the system so easy to abuse.
I think the OP's question was meant to make people ask the questions instead of assuming the reasons.
It annoys me that some people in this thread have the audacity to give their personal approval to a few of the other posters...only because they have shared their painful stories and circumstances about why they need some public assistance.
It takes alot more effort to ask the questions that are required if we are going to have a soloution regarding the small group of people who abuse the system. It takes no effort at all to discriminate and lump everyone into the same category. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 2:41:04 AM | | I disagree that it's a small group of people abusing the system. Why people get so upset about this subject. I personally have known or known of quite a few people abusing the system. Sometimes for their entire lives. Ablebodied people should be given a time line, much like Unemployment. You have a year to get your life in order. They provide training, clothing allowances, transportation. What else can we do to make getting a job any easier? | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 7:44:14 AM | thank you to everybody who has calmed down very much 
its nice to see people get along again
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Posted: 4/21/2008 6:14:50 PM | It annoys me that some people in this thread have the audacity to give their personal approval to a few of the other posters...only because they have shared their painful stories and circumstances about why they need some public assistance.
Why does it annoy you that people like myself can read between the lines of whom needs welfare assistance and who doesn't? Msg# 421 clearly does need government assistance. If, after reading Jen's msg you're receiving welfare ask yourself if you really, really need it. She does.
What do you think I should do lizbeth, in order to get our government to crack down on these people that are sitting back and collecting a welfare check that can work but choose not too? I support organizations that promote training and education for those that truly want to work, but my philosophy is you can't lead an able-bodied welfare recipient that has to "toke on their bong" daily (and mock the rest of us) to the classified ads and expect them to apply for a job if they choose not to and continue to collect off "us" for their useless existence. We call them parasites down here in sunny Florida.
Oh, jeez..I just saw your age hon. 26. Alrighty, then. I've been working for 35 years (longer than you've been alive) and when you get my age and have to make a living for yourself that long you would be pissed too if you knew some of your tax dollars were being "sucked" out by welfare abusers..funny..they all seem to have nice rides though, hmmmm?
THAT is what I have a problem with when I'm working my a$$ off daily just to make ends meet.
And do have a nice day!!!
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Posted: 4/22/2008 2:15:52 PM |
It annoys me that some people in this thread have the audacity to give their personal approval to a few of the other posters...only because they have shared their painful stories and circumstances about why they need some public assistance. Whether a person shares their personal story or not doesn't negate the fact that I support those truly in need of assistance.
I do not see people who do drugs, indiscriminately reproduce, repeatedly make poor choices and blame circumstances for those same choices, make a conscious decision to remain on assistance as opposed to putting forth effort to become self-sufficient at a sustainable level as needing assistance.
Would it justify my stance if I told everyone how many organizations I volunteer time and energy to in an ongoing effort to assist others to become self-sufficient?
I didn't think so... to you I'm cold-hearted and tactless. I'm ok with that assessment as this is the person I truly am towards those who take advantage of a system then promote themselves in a woe is me fashion...
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Posted: 4/22/2008 5:59:49 PM | Not everyone promotes themselves as woe as me . I dont an know of others that dont there are some people i know that live around me that have jobs but the pay stinks an there ex husbands are louses an dont pay there child support so the women have use help to keep roof over there kids an food in there stomach . All i did with posting what i said is help people see that there are some people that genuinely need the help that dont misabuse the system . Its there to help people who otherwise would be living in bad terrible situations . I know familys that also live here to cause the husband an wife lack the financing or the educational background to get a higher ed to get a better job . I live in a rural area not a big city . Theres not lot jobs an some people aarent able drive due to problems . Or lack financial to keep a car that have find way to get ride with different family . I do und abt a sayin if u cant afford have kids u shldnt but there are deacent people who arent disabled that work but pay stinks they shld be able keep roof over themselves an their kids in a safe enviroment . I am not lookin for no ones pity Act i pity people who dont und that there are genuine circumstances an that they dont have the heart or the understanding to realize that there are decent people that arent in best of life circumstances . Cause everyone has the right be able have roof over their head . I know some people that been homeless on streets that have better hearts an carin then people that think their better an think less of others that may not be so luckys .  | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 7:18:28 PM | | it is are system in the united states that created welfare so if anyone who do not agree with it then talk to the people who we put in office . welfare is like posting a neon sign saying free money come and get it . i blame the one's who put this law into effect more then the people who take advantage of the free handout. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 8:23:37 PM | I would really like to know how everyone thinks their checks are being *sucked up* by welfare cheats. Income taxes are a loan to the government thruout the year which you DO NOT have to give/offer. If that were really where the local welfare checks were being drawn from, you wouldnt just sit here and be pissed off about it, you would likely quit your job!
If I were to find that any and all welfare forms were funded by the gazillion dollar porn industry, I, for one, wouldnt give a rats butt who did or didnt *use and abuse* the system. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 3:42:16 AM | Well my hard work has paid off. I've been offered a very good job in medical sales covering South East England, and I've accepted. So I'm one less person you can all moan at for being on welfare.
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Posted: 4/23/2008 4:49:41 PM | That's very simple. Because I'm paying for it! And for those with"Access' cards, as we call it in PA, and are food stamps but on a card, I should also be able to tell them what they cannot buy! Such as junk food for themselves and their kids. I see it all the time. And I thought there were restrictions on what they were allowed to purchase. But I guess not.
Sure, I don't have a problem helping when someone is having temporary financial problems, which is the intent of the program, but those making a living off it are lazy, low life scum and criminals. They are abusing the system and ripping us off. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:11:33 PM | Msg# 436^^^^Good for you!!! I just wish I could have quit my job like you did (many times) due to mental distress and collected welfare until after I found a job that I thought I was entitled to and kept me sane at the same time.
Sorry honey. Most of us have to deal with mental stress on a daily basis but you don't see me collecting welfare just because I couldn't take the mental stress of my job. Guess I'm a bit stronger than the scientist you claim to be.
And I always wanted to be a scientist. Ah, well. I just had a vision that 'scientist's' were never without a job due to their high SAT scores. Guess I was wrong.
We're talking about people that blatantly use the welfare system for their financial gain when they are clearly able to work..like yourself. You're much, much more educated than the rest of us ( and tell us so in all of your prior post's) to take on a menial job in order to survive day by day if you had to without relying on public assistance in order to "help you out" right? This is what I have a problem with.
You'll look GREAT in your "power suit", hon..I just hope your employers still think so after 6 months with your condescending attitude on this thread for those that really, really need those benefits.
Welfare is there for those that need it. Read msg# 421 and then get back to me why you needed welfare benefits with your education, hon.
And do have a nice day!!
Sans
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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:16:39 PM | I think that welfare is the result of a bigger problem that is not being addressed. The problem of women having babies that they cannot afford. And poverty. I hate to think that any money I earn would support the women who have no business having sex and unwanted babies, just for the AFDC check and the food coupons. It is just a no responsibility kind of thing.
I used to live with a roommate who lived completely off welfare when I lived in Sacramento. She even had her education paid for by welfare. Until the system changed the rules. And then she was forced to go and find a job. She had 3 illegitimate kids that were brats. And a boyfriend who lived there, who lived off welfare too. In California a person cannot be on even food stamps for more than 3 months, then they must be working at least 20 hours a week to continue getting it. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:25:53 PM |
I judge people on welfare for being too dumb to use the Verifone
I must be too dumb to qualify for welfare because I have no idea what that means. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:35:38 PM |
I judge people on welfare for being too dumb to use the Verifone
I heard about that from my Egyptian friends. Is that where you call a number for a job? | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:44:25 PM | I think that welfare is the result of a bigger problem that is not being addressed. The problem of women having babies that they cannot afford. And poverty
Women will continue to have children they can't afford to due to lack of education regarding birth control. Poverty is due to lack of education and the resources to acquire that education and I'll do anything in my power to help and educate these individuals..but I will not and I repeat NOT help someone that is collecting a welfare check and "throwing it up in my face" that they're perfectly okay with coasting along on my tax dollars until they find the job they feel they're "entitled" to like Motleymaiden.
Scientist my ass.
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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:49:57 PM |
coasting along on my tax dollars until they find the job they feel they're "entitled" to like Motleymaiden. I heard that Europe is a welfare state. That they had it out there like nothing. One can be a heroin addict, and get their needles and everything including a place to live, for nothing. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:23:56 PM | I heard about that from my Egyptian friends. Is that where you call a number for a job?
The Verifone is the bankcard machine you use when shopping. They have a food stamp card they use and they take forever when trying to use it
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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:29:36 PM | Motleymaiden: Color me stupid as you are a 'scientist' and all, but why did you have to collect welfare when you were out of a job instead of just collecting unemployment benefits when you left your job like the rest of us would? Or were you collecting both until you found your "dream" job? omg..you'll look so fantastic in your power suit, hon..omg!!
Forget the poor souls that are disabled and just struggling to survive on an hourly basis like msg# 421 and truly need our help.
You go girl!!!!! What an accomplishment..and a proclaimed scientist to boot!!!!
I want to be you!! I'm quite sure when your scientist co-workers find out you can't handle the "stress" of your current job you'll be back on the government payroll collecting benefits in no time. LOL
No matter what our education is: Some of us can take it and some of us can fake it. Which one are you? I'm the former, not the latter hon. I would be downright embarrassed to take a handout from anyone if I had your education, hon.
The true test is knowing whether you can look yourself in the mirror each day and know you did the right thing.
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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:53:57 PM | Its because the people of this society essentially pays for them. It is not a bad thing to be on welfare, but there are individuals who abuse it.
For instance... welfare is for necessary essentials... yet most people consider cable tv (essential). | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:58:28 AM |
Motleymaiden: Color me stupid as you are a 'scientist' and all, but why did you have to collect welfare when you were out of a job instead of just collecting unemployment benefits when you left your job like the rest of us would? Or were you collecting both until you found your "dream" job? omg..you'll look so fantastic in your power suit, hon..omg!!
Forget the poor souls that are disabled and just struggling to survive on an hourly basis like msg# 421 and truly need our help.
You go girl!!!!! What an accomplishment..and a proclaimed scientist to boot!!!!
I want to be you!! I'm quite sure when your scientist co-workers find out you can't handle the "stress" of your current job you'll be back on the government payroll collecting benefits in no time. LOL
No matter what our education is: Some of us can take it and some of us can fake it. Which one are you? I'm the former, not the latter hon. I would be downright embarrassed to take a handout from anyone if I had your education, hon.
The true test is knowing whether you can look yourself in the mirror each day and know you did the right thing.
Sans
It was unemployment benefits I collected, but I used the word welfare becuase thats what you lot call it over there and I didnt want there to be confusion.
For your information..hun..I worked in that lab for nearly 6 years and I left because of bullying and I sued.
And what the hell does education have to do with anything? I still have a house to run and child to feed where ever that money came in from and no matter what education I have.
And my new job will be nothing like my former lab job.
But I guess you just need someone to slag off and I guess its me.
And I was out of work for 6 months, Im hardly someone who has half a dozen kids, gets stoned or anything like that. I had a genuine need for some assistance, in my country I was genuinley entitled to it and now Im working again.
So what are you acusing me of faking? The title of scientist? lmao, if youre that concerned then you an easily check my name against the IBMS register. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 9:09:15 AM | It was unemployment benefits I collected, but I used the word welfare becuase thats what you lot call it over there and I didnt want there to be confusion
Motley ... calling unemployment insurance benefits welfare payments is what confused the issue here as to whether or not you were an abuser of the system. In actuality, there is a distinct difference between the two in US and Canada. I can't speak specifically for the US, but in Canada, we pay a separate premium for that benefit over and above our usual taxes. That premium is a certain dollar value for every $100 of earnings ... deducted from our paychecks with matching premiums by the employer. If a person was self-employed and didn't pay the premiums, then they can't collect any benefit should they become unemployed.
For your information..hun..I worked in that lab for nearly 6 years and I left because of bullying and I sued
It would be difficult to know what your mental distress was because you weren't specific. Too many people claim "mental distress" as a valid ailment when it could've been anything. People relating their stories (on here) are sometimes unclear with the details ... leading to assumptions.
And what the hell does education have to do with anything?
What Sans meant was ... an educated person would seek to help themselves (exhausting all avenues of personal resources) before seeking public assistance in order to preserve their dignity ... a personal quality that a cheater of the system (lack or) wouldn't care about. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:41:07 AM | Right ok, in the UK, we pax our income taxes and national insurance. If a person finds themselves out of work they are entitled to claim various benefits depending on their circumstances. One is JSA - job seekers allowance, or income support or incapacity benefit. There is also help towards rent payment and council tax.
I didnt want to go right into my circumstances around leaving my job, but as its clearly important I will do otherwise I'm accused of being a faker and liar.
I left becuase of physical bullying and verbal bullying. I raised a formal grievance against the persons involved and was accused of lying and basically making it all up depsite having a long detailed journal of events. I was then disicplined, and then after much arguing with my employers I was forced back into the lab, it was with this that I quit. I was not going back into that lab where I was going to be physcially attacked. It is now going down the legal road and Im saying no more on the matter because of that fact.
The whole ordeal made me very ****ing ill and I suffered greatly from depression and anxiety becuase of it, I've had myofibralgia for about 15 years and the symptoms of that were being exacabated to the point where I could hardly move for the pain.
Anyone can be the target of a bully, it does not matter if youre a shop worker, a burger flipper, a doctor or a scientist. In fact a recent survey was carried out by my employers (the national health service) and it was found that 58% of staff were bullied and harrassed.
Its horrendous in my former workplace and indeed in the whole organisation.
You get to the point where you cannot continue any further.
So for those 6 months that I was out of work, I took the time to recover, spend time with my young family and get my health back in order. Applied for a stack of jobs, had a stack of interviews but only this week was I lucky enough to be offered a role.
It was nothing to do with the stress of my actual job, I loved my job, yup that included cutting up dead people, that included the dead foetuses I had to deal with, and the massive great big tumours we would cut out of little children. I worked as a cancer scientist in cellular pathology, it was hard work and highly sensitive but I loved my job.
I have done nothing to be ashamed of and I am not going to made to feel like a cvnt by any of you. Please excuse me, I've got chicken burning in the oven. | |
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