| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 4/25/2008 2:48:11 AM | motley maiden,
You do not have to explain your circumstances or justify your reasons to the many people who have made negative assumptins about your situation.
I noticed alot of posters backpeddaling their comments when some posters shared their personal story. I think a few should really read the origional question again....
Would love to elaborate....but I too have a chicken in the oven | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:32:12 AM | I think its swrong to judge anyone when we all have different reasons for needing the help . I think some are more justifiable than others but even those who arent justifiable need help like get off the bad things they haave in their life i see a lot people who complain abt not having money go out an spend a horendus amount on other things besides making sure your bills are coverds an food is on the tables i seen people here spend 50 dollars month on cigerates when they complain of starving an spending a horendus sum on alchool beer an other alchool . Those shld be considerd drugs there are help get off them yes u may have the cravings for it but there others things that are better out there to enjoy an have better long ever lastin life . I suffer from depression besides my main disabilty i can understand an see where it caan make it hard an impossible for someone to work even with medication . C ause there are to many people that are cruel out there aan dont use their brains to see others pain they just want dwell on the negativity of others lifes an make assumptions about others then see whats really going on in their life . I can understand why motley maiden needed the help . People can bullly others but dont have the heart or they are just evil for not listening the whole storyy an taking it into considerations before makin snap assumptions . It makes me wonder if half the people who are against welfare on here what wld happen to them if there wld be losing there jobs when they go work an that if they cant find work quick enough to live an ssurvive or that if your house was to burn down or what if your incapacitated by an acident an lose your income wld u be able make it without getting some help from some goverment agency ? I know prob some wld have savings but savings only last so far in this day an age esp if u have house payemts take care of your kids . Some of you wld prob have go homeless i bets . Its time stop bullying, makein assining assumptions abt others cause u dont really know whats going on in there lives the other factors that make em need helps . I believe 90 percent the world is evil an uncaring others need get a heart abt them or else someday somewhere someone is not going feel sorry for you if u reach unfortunate times in your life .  GARBAGE AN OTHER THINGS HAPPEN PEOPLE STILL HAVE RIGHTS HAVE LIFE.  | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 6:54:06 AM | y?.. b/c most able body ppl on welfare know how 2 work the system!.. which is wrong!.. i have 2 female neighbors who work the system.. they just continue 2 have kids!..
welfare was set up 4 short term use when ppl (it was also set up 4 ppl w/disabilities)were 'down & out' & needed a helping hand (so 2 speak).. but then most have found a way 2 'milk the system' 2 their advantage.. i have no respect 4 ppl who do this!.. y?.. b/c its there 4 ppl who do need it & not 4 those who chose 2 sit around & do nothing w/their lives!.. if u had done a survey on how many able body ppl who r on welfare that actually don`t need it.. u would be surprised!..
i feel its an issue that will keep getting worse over time and its not right to judge ppl just because they don't work
ur right.. it will get worse before it gets better by these ppl who take advantage of the system!.. and as far as most of them not working.. y can`t they.. if their able body??.. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 7:43:13 AM | | I agree there are a lot of able bodied people that milk the sytstem i have had neighbor an unfortunately family that did it but i kinda was sneaky an underhanded i know of me to do this my sis an her husband were getting 375 of food stamps living with his dad not paying rent helping with some bills but tween the two of theem make over a thousand dollars a month they get like 18 thousand a month just the two of thems . I went an asked my case worker abt it an she reported it for me . Cause at time i i was getting only 20 of food stamps an paying 275 rent 180 on utilities an trying fit 100 dollars a month in propane into the tank to cook an heat withs i was only geting 475 dollars in social security . I had get help from my parentss to get the propane a lots . And on food i bght bread an oatmeal an ate lot peanut butter had a meal out that once a day other times i limited myself one piece bread an butter daily . I went an got comodities that helped a lil bit but only went so fars . I got really sick an malnourished cause i wasnt eating sound diet . MY mom finally made me move out of that place an put in appliciation for housing authority i stayed with my brother an his wife till they got me aproveds within a week . My case worker did get my food stamps up an it helped sinceei gt in low cost housinng . I know welfare is sup be short time fix but there are some few people that help is what keeps them alive an being deads an being homeless . Theres somepeople that faaamily an friends that wld take them in . Personally i am leary of living with mine cause my parents are elderly an not in the best of health an there no room for me . And i wouldnt live with my brothers cause they have said they wished me an my sister were never born an i wouldnt live with my sis cause her an her husband are i dont know words for it but it aint good. Aand i dont really have close enough friends that i wld live with . If it hadnt been for the help i been givens i wlda prob been dead from suicide 10 yrs agos . Cause i tght at one time there was no way outs from bad situation at home . And i know there are others out theres that are like me that are disabled that dont get help that shld get help cause they are just hanging on by a thread of hope . I get help with food once in while from the church cause i only get 30 dollars in food stamps that barelys buys 4 loaves bread 4 pkgs bologna an eggs an milk an 3 boxes cheap geniric cereals an mabye a thing of raw veggetables so i get some sorta veggie in me or i buy pkg mixedfruit so i get that type nutrion in me . I wont buy reg meat at over 2 dollars a pound that just a rip offs i think an hgway robberys . | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:47:20 PM | Motleymaiden: Thank you for explaining in detail your circumstances as I was under the impression that you were collecting "welfare benefits" without cause instead of UI. I see your cause now and you have my apologies, but when someone mentions looking "good in their power suit" after I've read that someone else has to "patch their clothes" each day makes me bristle..I'm sure you understand. Thank your for your contribution to the medical field. No one should have to take abuse at their job..verbal or physical. Someone actually attacked you physically at your job??
Lizbeth: I'm not "backpeddling" anything. I stated my opinion on people that "leech" off the welfare system when they are clearly able to work and I still stand by what I've said throughout this whole thread. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts. I'm not against the welfare system. I'm against those that abuse it to their advantage. I can't say it any more clearly than that.
Jen: My heart goes out to you. You are clearly a person that needs welfare and any other public assistance offered to you, but you need to realize that there are others out there that blatantly abuse the system and try to poorly state their argument on here as to why I should pay for their internet connection/weed/cigarettes/alcohol with my tax dollars when they're too sorry to face the choices (and consequences of said choices) that they've made in life and expect to coast on my "financial coattails" by collecting money they didn't earn.
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Posted: 4/25/2008 7:31:53 PM | | I do agree with you Sanschelle . There are huge amt that abuse it but there are others like me outs theres to . I also think the ones that abuse it that are druggies an habitual offenders shld have go thru treatment an forced get jobs even if it back breakin work out doin lawn care working at burger king to or even janitorial works . I know here in the apartments i live in u have a job if your not 100 percent disabled or old an infirm or they tell u have do certain amt of comunity service somewheres even if its working for the housing authority u have to have document medical records sayin tht ure disabled . Another thing nice here they bring drug dogs if they suspect drugs in the apartments . If they suspect things they throw u outs within 24 hrs i even seen people given 5 hrs to vacate the premisis for doing ilegal stuff if they had more like that with welfare programs i think it wld be lot betters . | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 8:05:53 PM | ^^^^^Honey, what can I do to help you? You're obviously trying to climb out of your circumstances with determination and dignity and I greatly admire that. You are the type of person that I'll go for the friggin' throat at these welfare leeches that don't need the money..at least you're tryin' hon, and you're doing an excellent job of taking care of your life Jen!!
Again, you're managing your circumstances and overcoming adversities that a lot of us would buckle under. But not you, Jen. You go on and persevere against all odds, hon.
I admire and respect very few people on the forums. You are one that I admire and respect without question, Jen.
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Posted: 4/25/2008 8:37:20 PM | | ^^^^^^I couldn't agree with you more. I hate welfare. I hate it because it is set up to make people dependent. but some need to depend. with all the abusers of the system, the people who actually need help, don't get enough. the amount of government waste and abuse I see living where I live makes me sick. I see people with cell phones using government debit cards to buy groceries. oddly, they have enough cash leftover to buy beer and smokes, just like jen said. then I go into my city and see people sleeping on the streets. there is a huge problem with this system. the intent was good, but it is being abused. we need to get a lot of people off this program so that there is enough money left over for people like jen to live in a nice safe place. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 9:04:38 PM | ^^^no kidding, dude! I'm all for the welfare system but when I see panhandlers on every street corner down here in Florida begging for money when they're talking on their cell phone and are sportin' their new pair of nikes on their feet when I look down at my $1.50 flip-flops that I wear on a daily basis, then I simply have to question why I'm having to support the bums with my tax dollars.
People like Jen need assistance and it's quite obvious.
I just have a problem with people that blatantly milk the system and try to come up with a good argument as to why they need to.
I-work-for-a-living.
--I have a lot of "mental stress." I work for a wealthy dude. Nuff' said! LOL
--I have to pay the bills and take care of 4 cats..good god... having 4 cats is like taking care of 4 two year olds that throw up constantly and have the runs every other day. Nice.
--I have a serious infection due to ocean poisoning by red tide..but I wouldn't dream of going on disability or welfare. I still go to work 5 days a week regardless of how I feel.
I count my blessings at night and then I say a prayer for Jen.
We don't know how lucky we are to not have to rely on public assistance but if I have to pay for it, then it should go to people like Jen hands down.
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Posted: 4/26/2008 3:19:02 AM |
Motleymaiden: Thank you for explaining in detail your circumstances as I was under the impression that you were collecting "welfare benefits" without cause instead of UI. I see your cause now and you have my apologies, but when someone mentions looking "good in their power suit" after I've read that someone else has to "patch their clothes" each day makes me bristle..I'm sure you understand. Thank your for your contribution to the medical field. No one should have to take abuse at their job..verbal or physical. Someone actually attacked you physically at your job??
Sans thanks for your apology, thats decent of you.
Yes I was attacked twice, not by a patient but by another member of staff. I had the bare face cheek to point to his pencil...and he pushed me in the chest and I stumbled. I made a written complaint and now things are legal my boss just so happens to have lost the complaint and deny all knowledge of it. This guy did it twice. But I am sueing a whole organisation, the NHS Trust, its bloody scary. But I was hounded out of my career to breaking point.
Becuase Im a specialist in my field, it makes it near impossible to get another sciencey job becuase Im not qualified or trained in anything other medical field, only for cellular pathology.
And my power suit cost £17! Im guessing around $30? Please dont think I spend a fortune on clothes! Even if I had the money Id still only spend the lowest amount, I know where to find a good bargain!
Its clear to me now that the US/Can benefits system is so different to the UK one, folk over your way seem to get a stack of money, as well as food, Im sure not everyone is doing so great on welfare though as we've seen etc. The system here is actually pretty poor by comparison. Although we certainly do have our cheats (my neighbours spring to mind)
I wasnt holding out for my dream job, what I wanted was a job that required my medical background, still to use all the lab knowledge I have etc, and of course one that paid extrememly well. And so with that in mind I knew Id never work in a lab again, but medical sales would be ideal. So this job Ive been offered is briiliant for me and my son, its highly paid, we get private health care and life assurance etc and I and still contributing to patients and still using my med knowledge. Private health care and life assurance is something that I cannot afford to pay for ordinarily but through this job I only make a contribution towards it. I'll be putting in 60 hours a week for it though, so it wont be easy.
Ya know Ive been a single mum for about 5 years, I was married before for about the same time, but we left after we coulndt take a beating no more. We walked out with work uniform and school uniform in our hands and nothing else. So Im really proud that I was still able to work full time and continue through uni, yes I needed state help for a few months but its not as if Im milking the country with no intentions of getting up off my ass.
I did lose my dignity for a while but its back now. Im nearly 35 and Ive always worked except for the last 6 months, Ive even served in my countrys Armed forces. So Im certainly not work shy. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 3:35:08 PM | Motley: Kudos to you girl!! It sounds like you've had a rough road of it and I'm glad that you and your child have a better future ahead of you based on what you've written in your last post. No one should have to stay in an abusive environment whether it be at home or in the work place.
Again, my apologies to you and anyone out there like you trying to survive and keep a roof over your and your child's head. (I just hope you're suing your prior company for enough to live on for the next ten years. lol)
Things are bad all over..I know at least 4 well educated people right now that have to rely on UI to live because they've been laid off. Gas and food prices are escalating here so quickly that I'm going to have to ask my boss if I can work 4 10 hour days so I can work something else part-time on the weekends. Dang!! Gas seems to go up 10 to 12 cents every other day down here!!!! jeeeezzz. (The ONLY reason I drive an SUV is in case of an evacuation during a hurricane. I'm in a "red zone" which means we're the first to be evacuated off the island. You need an SUV to climb out of the muck of a flood, palm fronds, brush, etc. if you have to. I also have 4 little ones to get out of harm's way in a very short time span.) I actually "out ran" a hurricane back in 2004 and ran right smack into two tornadoes with 3 cats in tow. I just took a deep breath and "out ran" them too! LOL Yes..there is a "price" for living in paradise. My whole life could be wiped out within 10 seconds down here and only by the grace of God am I still here.
I count my blessings daily, though. I have 4 beautiful healthy cats, a roof over my head, some very special friends down here that would take all of "us" in in a New York minute if we needed them, and a good job until my 82 year old goat of a boss croaks! lol (Actually, the dude has more energy than I'll EVER have and I love him dearly!)
Congrats on your new job, btw!!: You obviously have pride and dignity in securing safe employment for yourself and a safe environment for your child without sitting back waiting for someone else to take care of you guys. I admire that in anyone.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:34:06 PM | And Motley: I don't think $30 US dollars is too much to pay for your suit. My bosse's wife would't be caught dead in a suit that didn't cost less than $400 US dollars..but she's had so many expensive botox treatments that she looks like "spongebob" with Angelina Jolie lips!!!! I have to look down and suppress a smile every time I see her..hehe.
You go girl!!!!
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Posted: 4/30/2008 1:16:02 AM | To Reallyme,
The best place for Welfare recipients to pick up they're pity payments and the best place to install that camera would be the beer store. Pay close attention to the ones that you know that can't work due to a back injury as they carry out their 3 cases of 24 beers. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 2:17:27 AM | thanks sans much appreciated!
Well my latest is that I start in a weeks time and already I have to stay away from home for 3 days to launch a new product, I dont even know what it is yet its that secret haha
I'll be picking up a brand new fully expensed motor which is great cos mine is well on its way out!
I am suing my former company but its a tough case, naturally they are arguing and saying I was shit at my job haha I know I was a damn good scientist.
And guess what? Those people are a major account with the company Im working for so I will have to go back in the lab and face them and try to sell to them - thats gonna be hard!
I know you should never talk about salary, but I think in $ mines about $70K, which sounds alot but believe me is frightenly fvck all in the county where we live, and Im heavily taxed on it so wont be as rich as I had originally thought but then theres a lot of company benefits.
My little boy is so glad I got this job, he's already mentally spent my salary! But also he wants us to move, he is terribly picked on here and even yesterday I had to call the police out beucase he was attacked by 3 older boys and was beaten up. And my laddo wont fight back, becuase he knows its wrong to fight, so he runs away and comes straight home (he's 9 btw). All of 20ft down the street (he knows he's not allowed anywhere else).
I am really nervous about this job, its a really big deal to me, to us, and I must be my best. I'm not dissing anyone who has perhaps a poorly paid job nor am I shitting on those who genuinley cant work, but Im just pleased that Ive been able to get me and my son out the this countrys poverty trap. I hated being a single mum on the dole, it made me feel dirty, unworthy and basically I felt like a tramp.
I an know walk with my head held high and have my personal pride back (in my cheap power suit lol).
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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:51:42 AM | Sanschele,
Pedal faster darlin...I think the chain has fallen of your preverbial bike.
You need to realize that the mass majority of people on the welfare or assisted programs are not required to qualify for assistance on your approval. By focusing on people who abuse the social systems it only perpetuates the stigma about anyone who may need it.
I hear alot of whining and complaining about people who abuse the system...and have yet to hear anyone offer a reasonable suggestion in trying to solve the problem.
I don't think you would get an arguement from anyone for being angry about people who abuse the system...but it is tiresome and becoming irritating to read posts that continuously focus on the problems within the welfare programs...with a side serving of judgements and snide comments.
I wish some people would realize that everyones circumstances and situations of needing to rely on social programs are different.
People need to change their mindset about welfare. We all need to be pissed off together at those who abuse it...(not just because they are riding our/your coattails)...because it is taking away from those that truly need it. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 5:45:43 AM |
Sanschele,
Pedal faster darlin...I think the chain has fallen of your preverbial bike.
You need to realize that the mass majority of people on the welfare or assisted programs are not required to qualify for assistance on your approval.
Hmmm - I don't see Sans back pedaling at all. In fact, she, as have many others, have remained firm in the postion that welfare for those who need it is one thing and for those who abuse it is another and it unacceptable.
You are right, people on assistance only need the approval of the case worker - and if case workers had crystal balls and knew before hand who the abusers were I am sure there would be less people abusing the system.
There are people that abuse the system because they are too lazy to work and feel that they are owed free money. Those are the folks that many of us object to.
People that think they are entitled to be supported by those of us that work for everything we have are sponges and are the people who are judged and judged harshly.
People that truly need assistance should be able to get it with no problem. There are folks here who have posted their stories that truly need the help and are doing everything that they can to get off welfare.
No back pedaling - no changing opinions - abusers need to get off the system, and some folks truly need a hand and some temporary assistance. The ones that burn me are the ones that milk the system and find every way possible to stay on assistance so that they don't have to work!
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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:21:16 AM | It's been a while since I checked this thread, but I see that little has changed. Much of it is still sickening. People - in many cases, the same people - are still trying to claim abuse of the system as an excuse to scrap the whole system, and refusing to discuss the issue in relation to the people who legitimately need the system. This is particularly deplorable in view of the fact that legitimate users are by far the majority of users.
Yes, there is abuse of the system. It is, however, a small minority, and to even suggest that the system be shut down and those in legitimate need be left to starve because of a few abusers is unconscionable. Seriously, guys, that's fascist thinking. There are some people who abuse the traffic laws; should we, then, refuse to let anybody drive? How would you feel about having your license revoked because somebody you never even met broke the law? How would you feel about being barred from the grocery store because somebody else shoplifted? How would you feel about having your home taken from you because somebody else skipped their mortgage payment? Punishing the innocent for somebody else's crime is self-evidently wrong, and completely indefensible, but that's exactly what you're advocating doing to those on welfare.
The majority of people receiving welfare legitimately need it. The majority of people receiving welfare long-term legitimately need it long-term. If you can't recognize and accept that, you have completely failed to understand the issue - or are refusing to understand it. Personally, in most cases, I suspect the latter. Part of being a community, a society, is that those with extra means have a duty to those with extra needs. To refuse that duty is to demand all the benefits of society without accepting any of the responsibility. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:29:56 AM | Pedal faster darlin...I think the chain has fallen of your preverbial bike.
You need to realize that the mass majority of people on the welfare or assisted programs are not required to qualify for assistance on your approval. By focusing on people who abuse the social systems it only perpetuates the stigma about anyone who may need it
lizbeth ... you need to get back on your proverbial bike because you obviously haven't learn to ride it as of yet. Nowhere did Sans mention that welfare people needed her approval to qualify. She's only holding firm to her position regarding the abusers ... as are everyone here who are against them. Welfare abusers (obviously) got pass the weak "checks and balances" in order to get "approved". By turning a blind eye to the cheats only serves to perpetuate the notion that it's acceptable.
I hear alot of whining and complaining about people who abuse the system...and have yet to hear anyone offer a reasonable suggestion in trying to solve the problem.
I don't think you would get an arguement from anyone for being angry about people who abuse the system...but it is tiresome and becoming irritating to read posts that continuously focus on the problems within the welfare programs
Well ... it does sounds like people do argue against being angry at the cheats since there hasn't been any solutions offered (by ones such as yourself) as to how to deal with their kind ... only alot of pandering to welfare abusers.
I wish some people would realize that everyones circumstances and situations of needing to rely on social programs are different
And how does the woman making a life from welfare payments (for her 42 inch flat screen TV and other goodies) unique in terms of circumstances?? It's so obvious that she's bilking the system, yet at no time have you commented on the abuse ... offering solutions to end it.
We all need to be pissed off together at those who abuse it
But the thing is ... you're not pissed at the abusers at all. Your attitude is "easy come ... easy go". At least, that's how you come across.
People - in many cases, the same people - are still trying to claim abuse of the system as an excuse to scrap the whole system, and refusing to discuss the issue in relation to the people who legitimately need the system. This is particularly deplorable in view of the fact that legitimate users are by far the majority of users
Mxyzptlk ... seem like you conveniently skipped over the posts where it has been clearly stated that people like Jen3407 do need the system in place for her ... and there has been no recommendations to scrap the entire system at all. That is your own myopic perception of what has been said ... and much of your post alludes to that perception and isn't worth reading.
Part of being a community, a society, is that those with extra means have a duty to those with extra needs
Such as the woman with the hardwood floors and big screen TV having extra needs.  | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:46:21 AM |
there has been no recommendations to scrape the entire system at all. That is your own myopic perception of what has been said
First, the word is "scrap," not "scrape." Second, there have been several calls to scrap the system; go back over the thread and look. If you don't see them, then clearly you're the one "conveniently skipping" what you don't want to see. Third, there is nothing "myopic" about my perceptions, I'm just able to read. Perhaps when or if you develop the same skill, you'll be use it to do a little checking before you throw around false and inflammatory accusations like this one.
Well, if nothing else, responding, as you did, with flaming instead of rational argument goes a long way to proving the merit of my case. And the constant harping on the woman with the TV (if she really exists) and using it as an attack on the entire system is a perfect illustration of what I was talking about. In short, I could hardly ask for any better corroboration than being attacked by somebody like you. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:58:58 AM |
First, the word is "scrap," not "scrape."
Mr. Mxyzptlk - might want to proof read your post before picking on someone else for a typo.
Perhaps when or if you develop the same skill, you'll be use it to do a little checking before you throw around false and inflammatory accusations like this one.
Darn, I just hate that when that happens. Don't you?
Just saying . . . .
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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:59:06 AM | ~tb~
perhaps it might be helpful for everyone to focus on soloutions and improvements that can be made to the welfare system.
Or...I guess some of you could continue to rant and rave about problems that some of you have no intention to help solve.
Everyone has a story....and I believe the point of this thread was asking why society automatically judges a person on welfare before hearing their story.
People who burn me are the ones who recognize problems, yet refuse to become engaged in fixing the problem. People who burn me :verymad talk the talk...without walking the walk....
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Posted: 4/30/2008 10:04:58 AM | lizbeth -
what do you suggest as a solution?
I have previously stated that time limits for welfare should be put in place, job training, child care for those seeking employment or education, etc.
The problem lies with those who abuse the system and refuse to help themselves. The problem lies with the baby making mommas who would rather have another child than get a job. I personally have known people that abuse the system and it infuriates me. They abuse the system, knowing they are abusing the system and refuse to get off of welfare because they shouldn't have to or don't want to. What is the solution to those kinds of folks?
That is where the anger and frustration come from - and I am sure you can understand that frustration and anger.
Those who honestly need assistance should not be denied. Those who are milking the system need to be cut off.
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Posted: 4/30/2008 10:13:29 AM | ^^^^^Mxyzptlk Oh thank you so much for pointing out a spelling error so I could correct it.
I have read much of the thread since I posted so please point out which posts wanted to scrap the system ... since I never said it. And are you sure about your reading ability or is that (again) your own perception that you can?? Because if you do possess that skill, then how did you happen to skip over the comments regarding Jen's need of the system and support for her situation??
Well, if nothing else, responding, as you did, with flaming instead of rational argument goes a long way to proving the merit of my case
Your comparisons (in your previous post) about how someone shoplifting might curtail everyone else's right to shop is the standard of irrational argument. How did you come up with these anyway??
And the constant harping on the woman with the TV (if she really exists) and using it as an attack on the entire system is a perfect illustration of what I was talking about
If she really exists?? Your denial proves my point. She and probably many like her do exist ... yet with that statement, you confirm my position where people like you want to turn a blind eye, thinking it's a minor problem.
TB ... it obvious lizbeth has no solutions to offer. I do agree with you that limits must be set ... with harsh penalties to punish abuse. Only then can the money (that's being squandered on people who don't deserve it) can be redirected to those who truly need it ... such as in the case with Jen. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 10:30:18 AM | lisbeth, I have posted solutions that are available to those on welfare. They are already in place. Not only do we support those on welfare we support all the programs helping them to join the workforce. Now you expect us to spend more time trying to fix the problem? What problem? Those who are able bodied should work. Plain and simple. No one here is complaining about those who actually need welfare. Know I'm not. I already work 6 days a week, no vacation in 20 years. Took care of 3 kids while doing so. Not complaining, it was my responsibility
. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of people I've met in my life who abused the system, for years. Able bodied people who relied on welfare as their "paycheque" while they worked under the table. Or sat at home all day rather than work. They are the ones who sit and whine about their lot in life while doing nothing to change it.
I have absolutely no problem, as most in here, with anyone whose circumstances dictate that they can't work. I may be there myself one day. Welfare started as a great way to ensure people having hard times wouldn't be out on the street. For a lot it's become a way to survive without working. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 1:12:01 PM | I can't believe that some people can't spot a tree in the middle of a forest...
First of all, I don't think the OP intended this thread to turn into an arguement of who is and how many are milking the social benefit system.I took it as more of a thought provoking thread about what kind of people may need the system rather than an invite to express negative personal opinions regarding the people who are relying on it.
I am baffled at how easy it is for some to turn a situation like this into a debate by twisting words and cherry picking quotes...only to prove a point. Guess what guys....you win....but ask yourself what you have won..
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I personally have known people that abuse the system and it infuriates me.....
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^^Uhmm HELLO...anyone see the big PINK elephant in the room?^^^^
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I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of people I've met in my life who abused the system, for years. Able bodied people who relied on welfare as their "paycheque" while they worked under the table. Or sat at home all day rather than work.
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^^^Okay...lemme get this straight....there seem to be a few people who are basing their opinions on a personal experience with people that are known to have abused the welfare system...Soo voicing an opinion that most or almost all people on welfare are milking the system seems logical? What cloud are you people on?
Hello? Lucy?...If anyone "personally" knows anyone that is cheating the system or even suspects that someone is cheating the system... for the luv of GOD....REPORT THEM.
In the mean time....those of you who have "personally" known people who ripped off the welfare system but didn't report it..... you don't have a friggen clue about the real world and don't so much care about where your "tax dollars" go anymore than you do about having a validated opinion. ...but I expect some will continue to complain about anything and everything......err...I meant I suspect..... | |
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