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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 10:02:12 AM | wowsad--
I sincerely hope that you are practicing abstinance, because it takes the handshake of viable sperm with a fertile egg to make a baby. No other method will guarantee that you won't create a little one with 1/2 your dna.
May you also never experience a job loss in a tight market, a divorce, a medical event/condition without health insurance coverage, or any other thing in life that can cause major setbacks.
May your pious 'tude be in EVERY action YOU take, because fall from grace is truly a humbling experience when you are on the receiving end of judgement and criticism. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 12:22:52 PM | | all these different views then the odd one with incredibly harsh views on the issue...i'm glad some know no one is perfect and no matter what its a no win argument....either way your taxes are going to more than welfare...so how can just welfare get the blame for most problems??? health care gets the taxes same with the government for the extras you get from working....drug tests??? come on now...working ppl better get them too if that was the case....things need to be equal so theres no more reasons to debate witch is worse....obviously every state/province is different for these standards but it will never be a right view...only concerns/issues for each area that only the government can fix...and i don't think the government really cares or wants to fix there mistakes...cause look at all the money there getting.. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 1:34:25 PM | It is a shame that people are judged like that. Im currently claiming welfare and a single mum of one - come on then ,judge me, tell me I am lazy, ill educated and a waste of air doing nothing but scrounging from my country.
But then re-judge me when I tell you, I am a medicine graduate who worked as a specialist scientist in Cellular Pathology for many years, who had to quit her job because it made me too ill to work there.
See what I'm saying? It's not always black & white. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 1:53:50 PM | I have two jobs, you can't get one? Sorry but I can't respect people who complain about things and don't do a damn thing about it. I don't like lazy people. And I don't think people should be given money that they don't deserve. If I thought it was okay I would have four kids by now, be 200 pounds and sit on my a-s-s all day. Stop having kids! | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 2:14:46 PM |
wowsad--
I sincerely hope that you are practicing abstinance, because it takes the handshake of viable sperm with a fertile egg to make a baby. No other method will guarantee that you won't create a little one with 1/2 your dna.
May you also never experience a job loss in a tight market, a divorce, a medical event/condition without health insurance coverage, or any other thing in life that can cause major setbacks.
May your pious 'tude be in EVERY action YOU take, because fall from grace is truly a humbling experience when you are on the receiving end of judgement and criticism.
i ask that the government forces birth control on people ALREADY on welfare, and drug testing for people ALREADY on welfare to ensure that people who are taking advantage of the system don't make more babies and do drugs with the money given to them, and this is the response i get? while i'm sure you absolutely love to hear yourself talk, i think you singled out the wrong user name to verbally masturbate to. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 4:00:40 PM | curious what the percentage of welfare users are women who "purposely" keep having babies and are drug users
any one of you "against" ranters care to research? | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 4:05:59 PM | the only percentage i have off the top of my head is 80% of babies born to mothers on welfare have cocaine in their fecal matter at birth. if that means anything. but its kind of hard to get a statistic like how many women on welfare have babies to stay on, because there's no real way to gauge whether or not women are lying. BUT, at the same time, any woman who is having MORE children when on welfare isn't thinking of the children's best interest, because they obviously can't afford them. and if the majority of children being born to mothers on welfare have cocaine in them, that means they obviously don't care about the baby, and they're using drugs.
i'd love to battle you with statistics, but like i said, its an impossible statistic to research because of the lack of honest information.
oh yeah, and 3% of children have cocaine in their fecal matter when born to mothers who are not on welfare. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:12:23 PM | Why don't you ask the Cubans still living in Cuba why they give the Castro brothers a 70% approval rating.
Barrack Obama doesn't even get that, let alone the current president. Oh and I'm calling it now...McCain will be president.
Sure people left Cuba. Not everyone agrees with the "something for everyone" over "every man for himself". Perfectly natural. Besides, when you have what "appears" to be a Utopia (the US) 90 miles off your shore, with it's Vegas lights and Manhattan lifestyle that seemingly everyone enjoys, it's only natural that some might be inclined to long for that sort of instant gratification...which of course is a falsehood.
...and if you want an example of what a REAL genius and humanitarian is, you should read about what so many other humanitarians around the world, even MANY in the US. have said about Castro. World leaders, philosophers, artists, political prisoners, countless academics who choose to look past the US propaganda machine to view the truth about a leader who left his relatively wealthy lifestyle and led from the front in the mountains, along side men AND women...a nation who has endured, and is indeed prospering despite living next door to the biggest bully on the planet. Facts indeed.
intellectual heavy lifting??? Come on, insults are the weak mans imitation of strength my friend. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:24:14 PM | Welfare abuse is taught from generation to generation. The people that scam the system are true pros at it. They dont just get the hand-outs from the government they get it from churches, neighbors, friends family etc... I was raised very upper middle class and only recently met such a family. I am truely amazed at the steps they will go through to use everyone in their path. Continue to eat terrible food so you have high blood pressure more money from the VA, Get custody of the kids more food stamps ($560 per month), slip and fall at work sue your employer, take out payday loans then cancel bank accounts so you dont pay, move in the middle of a lease owning hundreds to the landlord, get electricity shut off go to church and beg for help....but never go without cell phone and internet. Hey who here wants their screen names. They all have profiles 
ITS THE LAZY SOCIAL WORKERS FAULT!!! THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOBS! Oh I can say that my best friend of 25 years is one and whole heartedly agrees. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:33:46 PM | the only percentage i have off the top of my head is 80% of babies born to mothers on welfare have cocaine in their fecal matter at birth. That one statistic is enough for me to cast my vote against a system which I contribute towards.
To add to this, anyone who has worked in the gaming or liquor industry knows that the busy times are during cheque times...
Hmmmm... my tax dollars being spent on gambling, alcohol and drugs...
Kinda gives me a warm cozy feeling knowing I'm helping out the less fortunate... after all, how else are they to get their fix? 
/sarcasm | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:38:19 PM | pssst...
you and others keep falling into the same fatal flaw that so many others fall into when looking at this issue.
The question "why". | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:41:19 PM | Chemistry... perhaps you should read for comprehension?
Why? Because we pay into a system to support drug addicts, alcholics and gamblers... we don't appreciate our tax dollars being spent in such a fashion...
Could I make this any clearer for you? | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:45:28 PM | ask "why" these people (a very small percentage I might add) spend what little money they have on these things.
Ask "why" people like you feel the need to lash out at others for simply asking you to open your mind a little. Ask "why" you always post in this fashion in any thread you do post in.
Sure it's about perspective.
I was once a sales rep for the largest brand on the planet. I was married, owned a home and a car.
I have also had to take welfare and EI. I've slept in said car. I've been passed around between two seperate agencies, neither of whom were any more helpful than the other, even when I showed up having researched what programs I was interested in to get ahead. I learned all about the effect that this kind of bureaucracy can have in padding these agencies numbers...agencies that were once public institutions, now being run by third party corporations on our behalf.
Believe me, I know all about perspective. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 5:53:48 PM | You ask that we open our minds as well as our pocket books? Ok... conversely, take a moment and ponder our situations.
~We go out to work each day to ensure we provide the basic necessities of life to our families and if possible put a little aside for a rainy day.
~We take courses to improve our potential for advancement at our places of employment.
~We educate ourselves on the various investments which are available to us to further secure our futures.
~We take responsibility for our actions and inactions and the path those choices will lead us in life.
~Then, when all is said and done, we receive our paycheques - 50% of which is removed for various taxes, pension plans, benefits and other mandatory deductions. A portion of the 50% goes to social systems such as Welfare to be divied up amongst other people. Then, we read the newspaper (which we pay to have delivered) to learn such statistics as... 80% of babies born to welfare recipients have narcotics in their system...
It's all in perspective... | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 7:39:46 PM | | I'd like to see a source cited for this allegation that 80% of babies born to welfare recipients have drugs in their system. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/9/2008 8:15:34 PM |
I'd like to see a source cited for this allegation that 80% of babies born to welfare recipients have drugs in their system.
i read the statistic in a text book called "health concepts". i have it laying around somewhere. i did further research on the topic and i forget the college university that did the study, but i remember it was surprisingly thorough. if you want to disregard it, be my guest, but i'm not lying. i'll look for more information about it online one day when my internet isn't so slow. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 10:32:02 AM | wowsad--
Can you say misogynist?
If a man had responded as I did, would you have made the same nasty assertion about him?
Do men get a free ride for not taking responsibility for spreading their seed?
I propose castrating deadbeat dads, drug dealers, rapists and molesters (relax clear thinking PoFFers, I'm being sarcastic).
How about motorcyclists who refuse to wear a helmet, wreck and become vegetables you and I support via taxes? What do you suggest we do with the white collar criminals who rape and pillage workers retirement accounts? The hedge fund pros who created this subprime mortgage mess that is affecting the entire country? How about the petrochemical, insurance/banking, media conglomerates, pharmaceutical industry bigshots who buy our politicians who have effectively squeezed the middle class to the point of crisis and despair?
Did those statistics tell you how many of those cocaine using mothers were molested, abused and/or raped probably as children by people they should have been able to trust to protect them?
Statistics are like a bikini...what they reveal is interesting, what they conceal is vital. A memorable quote from my statistics professor- Dr Charles Grah, Austin Peay State Univ.
Quite a high horse you are on...hope you don't fall off. You might become disabled and need social security disability, medicaid, food stamps and subsidized housing. Of course you could elect to have somebody shoot you and put us all out of your misery. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 2:06:19 PM |
I propose castrating deadbeat dads, drug dealers, rapists and molesters
I second that! | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 2:41:25 PM |
I propose castrating deadbeat dads, drug dealers, rapists and molesters
I second that!
I think you may have missed this part...
(relax clear thinking PoFFers, I'm being sarcastic).
...because I'm sure you didn't want people to think you were some Nazi or African warlord or something... | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 2:43:28 PM |
...because I'm sure you didn't want people to think you were some Nazi or African warlord or something...
Judging some of the idiot things people here say in threads I don't give a rat's ass what they think | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 3:38:17 PM | ahhhh... well they're called basic human rights. You might want to read up on them so that you know when someone is suggesting infringing on yours.
Giving people getting access to public resources (money, housing, food and varous programs) does NOT give the public ownership of said people. These are not chattle folks.
So... Juding by this thread, I think we can all agree that there is abuse in the system, both by recipients and by administrators. There is clearly work to be done regardless of where you looking at this issue from.
So, maybe we should accept that simply telling recipients who abuse the system not to do so, is kind of like telling people not to download music for free... and that asking said (private sector) administrators to put people ahead of numbers is like asking Walmart to do so...
Then maybe we can accept that welfare (and EI) reform is our responsibility as tax payers and voters. That if we want change we need to tell our politicians what we want done instead of continuing to feed a dysfunctional system, who in turn feed a growing dissafected, and therefore dysfuntional segment of the population.
In short, give government a mandate to give people a purpose, and the tools to reach their potential. Simply remove the emotional connection that any of us has to this issue and this is still clearly the best way to address it. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 4:16:22 PM | I understand - we're not Nazis here
I was just venting some and being bratty - sorry if I offended
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/10/2008 6:14:43 PM |
Can you say misogynist?
the responsibility of having a child lies solely on the mothers, because they have the right to get child support (or not), they have the right to terminate the pregnancy, and they also have the right to not have unprotected sex. while the responsibility of paying child support falls on the man, that is mainly enforced by the mother of the child. this could be changed by the government, and i'm not saying it shouldn't, but there is a huge difference between castrating men, and telling women that to receive payments, they have to be on birth control.
just like seatbelt laws, there are also motorcycle helmet laws, to protect people from themselves. i see birth control for people unfit to obtain any sort of income falling under the same theory. i can't really comment on the media/banking/pharmaceutical, etc... because while i could, and do have valid opinions on the matter, it would take numerous pages to actually express my concerns, theories, and potential problems that even fixing the problems could bring about.
while the statistics didn't tell me how many of the cocaine using mothers were molested and abused, a paragraph up you mentioned rapists and molesters, and they too.... for the majority, were abused as children. when does the victim become a criminal? in the eyes of the US government, that changes as soon as they assume the role of a criminal, instead of receiving help. how do i feel about it? only 10% of sexual crimes even go reported, so the information that we actually have on the illnesses associated is slim to begin with.
i'm not on a high horse, what i'm proposing is a logical solution. or at least a step in the right direction. if this isn't such a big problem, then why did jersey stop women from claiming children they have after they are already receiving welfare? this isn't my favorite course of action because these women are still having babies, and the only difference is now they definitely can't afford them. you could say that my solution would fix that problem as well, but i'm on too high of a horse to speak. that and i was born the wrong sex to even have an opinion on this matter, even though its my tax dollars that are going to pay for this.
but yet again, you fail to really comprehend my point. all you seem to do is bash what i say without actually proposing a new solution, or a different opinion. while yes, i could become disabled one day. thats very possible. i snowboard, i drive fast, i even own a sports car. i do wear my seatbelt though. BUT, if i were to claim benefits from an injury, they are being claimed out of insurance that *I* have paid for. and i haven't purposely inflicted myself with whatever disability i may acquire. if anyone is on a high horse, its you. because the person on the high horse shouts the loudest, yet has nothing constructive to say. all you have are excuses to not think that my ideas are valid, and that's hardly an opinion. drug testing and birth control, thats all i ask for. i personally don't care which one of the teen mothers on welfare feeding cocaine to their unborn children got molested, raped, abused, or whatever. it doesn't change the fact that these people are turning a 15 thousand dollar birth into a 1 million dollar process with babies coming out of the womb hooked on drugs and whatnot. *this* is the point where the victim became the criminal in my eyes. they deserve no leeway. they deserve no understanding. just as the child molester serving 15 years. there is no difference to me between abusing a person before they are born, or after. you can make all the excuses that you want to counter my opinions, but you're not going to change them by making me feel bad for people who are potentially killing their children that are growing in their own womb, nor will you change my opinion about how we should prevent it and why its my fiscal responsibility to take care of them just because i decided to make something of myself. | |
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