|
|
|
|
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:27:55 AM | Welfare really frustrates me.. You see, I am extremely down on my luck right now since the passing of my mother. When she was alive, I spent 8 months taking care of her and even had to quit working to do it. I tried to get caregiver checks to take care of her from the state but they wouldnt give them to me because they said my parents had to much. Whatever though. During this time, my car broke down and I could no longer drive it. I lost a contact lense and the other is full of protein deposits and I cannot really see because I have extremely bad vision. No help there either. The only thing there is for a 32 year old single male like myself is to go out and find some kind of job.
Since my mother passed, my father has really been struggling with his bills. No help there because he has assets. A small summer cabin that they worked their ass off for. Nothing can be saved and he is about to lose his house that he has been in since 1971. The bank is taking it on April 11th. He is about to lose the cabin they worked SO hard for because he is way behind on the taxes. Why on earth can somebody who has worked their ass off their entire life to try and make ends meet and have a little extra shut out even though he has put so much money into this system over the years yet some bum who will not work can get everything handed to them?
I met a girl on the internet about a year ago with two kids. She did not work and would not work. She got 400.00 a month is food, rent paid 100% and like 500.00 cash. If she got a job, she would lose most of it and her rent would automatically be 600.00 a month. Because of this, she refused to work. I was disguested with the whole thing and walked away.
If you are on welfare, get a god damn job. I dont have anything right now but I am looking. You need to do the same. | |
|
| |
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:38:57 AM | | Yes and if this girl enrolled into school, they were going to give her 1000.00 for a vehicle. Hey. I want to go back to college. Why cant I get a grand for a car? | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:49:34 AM | I can't say that I judge anyone on welfare, although I do have an opinion. If someone is disabled they get a disability check (even though some of them are bogus disabilities) if they are truely diabled and can't work I can see why they need the help. But on the other hand I work in an ER where we have to ask about insurance, employment etc. you would not believe the people that come in and are on disability. It infuriates me to hear some of them say, "I'm not worried about it, i'm not paying for this, the state is." I want to tell them NO I am paying for this, This is what our tax dollars pay for? It disgusts me, some of these people are younger than me and already disabled? I can remember one clearly that was on disability because he was too overweight, now I wanted to call the government and tell them if you would quit giving him 400 dollars a month in food stamps he couldn't afford to eat like that.
I can even understand people need help from time to time, but there should be a limit on it. After 6 months or a year, the assistance should stop and they should get a job. I don't work my butt off so I can pay for someone else to sit on theirs . It may sound b*tchy but if I can work and take care of myself and my 2 children so can everyone else. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:50:07 AM | In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread
WTF is that all about?
I cant post what I want to say  | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 10:22:00 AM | | so because of my school schedule, its been hard for me to find a job... but i had to go to the er the other day, and it dawned on me. i have to apply for medicaid now. so....i'm thinking to go for a few psych visits, get me some disability monies what do you guys think? my ex did this and is making a killing. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 10:47:54 AM | Do people honestly believe that if we punish the abusers of the system, that it will magically start functioning properly??? Do people truely believe that the issue is that simple?
I ask because this is all anyone seems to be willing to talk about...those who abuse the system and how much they deserve to be made examples of. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 11:04:31 AM | | i just think that drug tests and cutting down pregnancies would end a LOT of problems in it.. not everyone would be eliminated who abuse it, but it would definitely cut costs a lot. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 11:41:29 AM | [Do people honestly believe that if we punish the abusers of the system, that it will magically start functioning properly??? Do people truely believe that the issue is that simple?]
well i don't cause in reality its linked to the government issues....but wow some places you get food checks??? wow we don't get those down here....most ppl end up going to the food banks and shelters to get food...then once in a while will get a food voguer if the food bank and shelters don't have anything | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 10:13:16 PM | Welfare really frustrates me.. You see, I am extremely down on my luck right now since the passing of my mother. When she was alive, I spent 8 months taking care of her and even had to quit working to do it. I tried to get caregiver checks to take care of her from the state but they wouldnt give them to me because they said my parents had to much
Don't know about the laws in the States, but in Canada, Unemployment Insurance benefits would cover a person caring for a terminally ill individual (known as "Compassionate Care Benefits") without having to go on welfare.  I'm not sure if assets would affect such benefits since it's based on Insurable Employment earnings. You would have to have worked at least the last 52 weeks (in order to collect) just like regular benefits ... but it's there if needed. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/17/2008 11:24:32 PM | I try not to pick on certain individuals but when they say certain things that seem to contradict the point they are trying to make.
I hate to say it but there are a lot of people here who aren't clear on some of the fundamentals of a prosperous civilization. One of the most important being that we survive and prosper when we co-operate.
Where everyone pulls their weight. Welfare recipients don't pull along with everyone else they drag, hence they are not cooperating.
On an aside, does anyone ever wonder if the key to our survival is watching us make the same mistakes over and over for thousands of years...just waiting for a spark of enlightenment before it finally reveals itself???
In the past if you didn't do your share you were banished and probably died off making the society stronger and able to survive.
Hating on the poor, villifying them, adds nothing constructive to the discussion or it's solution.
I hate people unwilling to work, coincedently that is poor people.
This has a compounding effect on an already serious set of obstacles.
The only obsticle is their false belief that they NEED welfare to take care of them and don't believe they can fend for themselves.
Think of it this way, imprisonment as a deterrant has proved a huge failure in the U.S., despite being one of the largest democracies on the planet (India being first).
( Don't compare a third world country to the greatest country on this planet.) Many Criminals are created by the welfare system. Where failure is rewarded (i.e. more kids, more money).
How do you explain that? How do you explain the per capita imprisonment numbers that place the US at number one in the world???
(See above) We feel the need to care for the weak and provide a failed welfare system. Failure is promoted because the failed system rewards it. Thats how we created so many criminals that need imprisonment.
Isn't the United States the land of milk and honey where every American can have the dream...but many don't for some reason???
Those that work have it the ones that refuse to work don't have it and blame those that work for it.
What is that reason???
Provinding them a way to do nothing and still llive it perpaetuates the cycle of losers. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 6:13:15 AM | I don't judge people on welfare, but I do look at WHY they are on welfare and what they can be doing to get off welfare. Welfare should be a hand up not a hand out. I do have a HUGE problem with those who abuse the system.
I know of one woman who has been on one form or another of welfare for the past 10 years. She has 4 children. At the time she first got on welfare 10 years ago, she was married with her first child. Her husband had a decent job and she managed to get food stamps because she did not want to work. There is a difference between wanting to work and being unable to work.
She got a part time job, because she didn't want to work full time, lost the food stamps, worked for a few months, managed to to quit that job and went back on welfare. Then she gets pregnant with her second child, now she gets free medical and food stamps, because she is not working and is pregnant. Still doesn't want to work. 2 kids, husband, and she doesn't want to work, now she qaulifies for other assistance. The cycle repeats it self for child 3 and then fast foward to child number 4 . ...
4 kids, now she decides she wants a divorce, she has 4 kids and does not want to work full time . So, she gets food stamps, free day care, cash assistance, clothing assistance, free lunches at school for the kids, plus free breakfast for her kids, assistance with utility bills and decides to work part time. The kicker is she gets free daycare for all 4 kids, even though the 3 oldest are in school, because she sometimes "works" after the kids are out of school.
She opened her own business (dog-groomer) (her father paid for the equipment she did not already have), starts working after the kids go to school (9:00 a.m.) is done working by noon, and still leaves the kids at day care until 5:00. From noon to five, she does what she wants. The kicker . . . her business is a cash based business so on top of everything else, she lies about her income to keep the free money coming.
Now, my problem with this . .. .. whiles she is getting all this free stuff, she also gets child support, but she is always "broke", unless it is time to go out drinking on the weekends, to go horseback riding, gambling, or time to buy what she wants for herself, or the latest gaming system for her kids, which she buys 2 of because she has 2 boys and 2 girls, or to spend $200-300 to enroll her kids in sports or whatever activity they want. She manages to hit up all the free food places (food pantry that gives food to those in need) and manages to play the system to the fullest.
Every time it looks like she might have her benefits reduced, she magically reduces her hours to keep on getting the free money.
This is ONE example, there are more. These are the folks I have a problem with. There is no reason she cannot work full time. She just does not want to. The free money is way too easy for her. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 9:47:45 AM | Welfare recipients don't pull along with everyone else they drag, hence they are not cooperating.
This is a gross over simplification. Everyone, EVERYONE contributes in some form or another to the society we live in, even those that abuse the system. Everyone has the potential to do more and this is where we need to be focusing our efforts. It is our responsibility to create an environment where all people are empowered. Take away the emotional side of it and you could say it's even about maximizing efficiencies. Do we fault a plant who doesn't grow because it was placed in poor growing conditions???
No...we move it to a window ledge, give it some water and with a little patience, it flourishes. People are NO different. We are ALL inheirantly responsible for the conditions we allow others to flounder in when we have so much excess.
In the past if you didn't do your share you were banished and probably died off making the society stronger and able to survive.
This statement is true in some cases...but for the most part false. Where it has proved most often true is in civilizations where there has been a large divide between the haves and the have nots. In many others, elders, the sick etc... were still valued and cared for. The fact that the west basically warehouses it's elders in homes is a testament to where we're heading, and why we're where we are currently. It should be noted that every major prophet known to man has advised us to shelter the meek and mild, the care for the poor. I'm not a man of faith, but as a philosphical ideal, it's certainly valid.
I hate people unwilling to work, coincedently that is poor people.
This is faulty logic for a number of reasons...not the least of which are the statistics pertaining to the "working" poor. Those who DO go to work, full time but still do not earn enough to sustain themselves. These jobs NEED to be filled, they are necessary to the function of this society by nature of their very existance...so why don't they pay enough??? Why doesn't a crossing guard or early childhood educator earn what a banker does???By the way...the word "hate" is a big part of this problem we're discussing here.
The only obsticle is their false belief that they NEED welfare to take care of them and don't believe they can fend for themselves.
Many cannot fend for themselves. Period. Many statistics point to this. Education is key when espousing these kinds of mis-guided opinions. The crime rates should be another useful indicator.
( Don't compare a third world country to the greatest country on this planet.) Many Criminals are created by the welfare system. Where failure is rewarded (i.e. more kids, more money).
The USA is NOT the greatest country on the planet, at least not in positive humanitarian categories. World leader in war mongering, imprisonment and polution contributions sure. The only people who aren't aware of this are the Americans. Regardless of what anyone thinks of India, they ARE a bigger democracy than the US. I bet that stings though.
We feel the need to care for the weak and provide a failed welfare system. Failure is promoted because the failed system rewards it. Thats how we created so many criminals that need imprisonment.
You are correct about a dysfunctional system perpetuating itself. Unfortunately though...the crime we're talking about comes from poverty, from not having enough to survive, and not from getting a hand out as you'd suggest. By the way...didn't the 5th largest bank in America JUST get a welfare type handout from the tax payers??? Many of whom are the ones that same bank has forclosed on??? That's irony if ever it existed. That should really bother a lot of people, but I suspect most won't even pay attention to it.
Those that work have it
False. See my previous statement about the working poor.
Honestly though...look at what that bank just got and why. People made bad investment decisions...and now the tax payer is on the hook...kind of like the bank went and got pregnant with no means to support itself of it's offspring (the mortgage crisis). Now who's a welfare cheater??? | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 12:40:18 PM | Please delete the excesive spaces between lines! Your plant analogy is a good one but let me remind you that ALL plants work to get nutrients from the soil but not all people work or want to. You can make a bad plant survive by providing nutirients and even a sun lamp if needed but what you are creating is dependantcy and once you stop it's all over. You should strive for self suficiantcy.
In the past if you didn't do your share you were banished and probably died off making the society stronger and able to survive. This statement is true in some cases...but for the most part false. Where it has proved most often true is in civilizations where there has been a large divide between the haves and the have nots. In many others, elders, the sick etc... were still valued and cared for. The fact that the west basically warehouses it's elders in homes is a testament to where we're heading, and why we're where we are currently.
Just concern yourself with YOU and your own. I already told my kid's if they shove me in a home I deserve it because if that's how my kids treat me I raised them and got my just reward.
It should be noted that every major prophet known to man has advised us to shelter the meek and mild, the care for the poor. I'm not a man of faith, but as a philosphical ideal, it's certainly valid.
Does that include the one that said give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime?
...so why don't they pay enough??? Why doesn't a crossing guard or early childhood educator earn what a banker does???By the way...the word "hate" is a big part of this problem we're discussing here.
People are paid according to their ability to do a job and at the lowest you can pay someone to do it compitantly. I fix things including computers that many cannot. I am largely self taught.
Many cannot fend for themselves. Period. Many statistics point to this. Education is key when espousing these kinds of mis-guided opinions. The crime rates should be another useful indicator.
This makes me feel extremely good, I must be a very hard working, super intelligent extraordinary human. I was born naked and had nothing my parents simply taught me to care for myself and gave me little else and at times would not help me finacially when I thought I NEEDED it. Here I am making multiples of the minimun wage, three maybe four times ( I don't know what the minimun wage is and don't reall y care).
The USA is NOT the greatest country on the planet
I do not want to live anywhere else and belive it is the greatest. You should move to where you think is the greatest. (India??) Oh yea, I remember now, Cuba!
at least not in positive humanitarian categories. World leader in war mongering, imprisonment and polution contributions sure. The only people who aren't aware of this are the Americans. Regardless of what anyone thinks of India, they ARE a bigger democracy than the US. I bet that stings though.
NO, if I lived in India I would leave or die trying. Everybody likes to pick on the USA even our jealous Canadian friends. It's all good, being number one has it's cost, we are a constant target. your view of the world is very distorted.
... By the way...didn't the 5th largest bank in America JUST get a welfare type handout from the tax payers??? Many of whom are the ones that same bank has forclosed on??? That's irony if ever it existed. That should really bother a lot of people, but I suspect most won't even pay attention to it.
Missmanaged companies should ceast to exist just like mismanaged lives. You probably are one of the folks that point to mean greedy Corporations as the evil in the world. I work for a mean greedy orporation that provides services people need and pay for. If the mean evil Corporation I work for meets it's demise, like I think you believe should happen, I would be out of work. Do you see the connection betweeen corporations and real people?
Honestly though...look at what that bank just got and why. People made bad investment decisions...and now the tax payer is on the hook...kind of like the bank went and got pregnant with no means to support itself of it's offspring (the mortgage crisis). Now who's a welfare cheater???
This is your arguement, incorrect as it is? Others do it so I feel fully justified. Good one. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:15:29 PM |
Does that include the one that said give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime?
So true and I'll add "God helps those who help themselves"-Ben Franklin | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:26:21 PM | Don't know about the laws in the States, but in Canada, Unemployment Insurance benefits would cover a person caring for a terminally ill individual (known as "Compassionate Care Benefits") without having to go on welfare. I'm not sure if assets would affect such benefits since it's based on Insurable Employment earnings. You would have to have worked at least the last 52 weeks (in order to collect) just like regular benefits ... but it's there if needed. Assets would not affect this as it is an insurance claim, not a request for benefits without a work history.
Additionally, you do not need to have worked 52 weeks to qualify, simply 910 EI insurable hours in the qualifying period.
Do we fault a plant who doesn't grow because it was placed in poor growing conditions???
No...we move it to a window ledge, give it some water and with a little patience, it flourishes. People are NO different. We are ALL inheirantly responsible for the conditions we allow others to flounder in when we have so much excess. If the plant has legs and a heartbeat, it should move itself to a better growing environment.
Ohhhhhh… that’s right… heaven forbid someone be accountable for their own living conditions right?
My inherent responsibilities are to my family and the ones I love ~ not to every beggar on the streets who has had the epiphany that begging is simpler than moving to the next block and taking the help wanted sign from a storefront window and offering their services in exchange for a wage.
not the least of which are the statistics pertaining to the "working" poor. Amusing that you should use the term working poor. The last time I heard that being flouted was from a somewhat mediocre employee who felt it was better to lament his circumstances than to change his attitude and apply for a position at a better paying company. Eventually he was told by the same client I serve that his services were no longer required. The reason for his services no longer being required? His work ethics mirrored his poor outlook on the world.
There are no free rides. Someone pays the price for the luxuries that you so cavalierly claim as excesses. I work for the excesses I enjoy and realize that the harder I work, the more I educate myself, the more valuable I become to my employer and I am recompensed accordingly.
Everybody likes to pick on the USA even our jealous Canadian friends. You seriously think this way? I’m shocked… until this statement, I had credited you with a higher intelligence level… *shrug* | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:31:25 PM | But we do move people to the window ledge giving them a chance to thrive. We provide free schooling, daycare, counseling, housing, food, medicine, medical care. A clothing allowance if they do decide to work. Bus passes to get to work. Retraining if they require it. How can we possibly make it any easier to thrive???? People in our countries have every opportunity to be self sufficient. If they aren't, every obsticle is considered and money paid out to overcome this. I often wonder if we forced all able bodied people on assistance to get up everyday, go out and work,(cleaning roadways, helping in old age homes, etc.) for "nothing", how many would actually decide get a job? As long as we allow ablebodied people to sit home all day and collect a paycheque for this we're enabling them. There's strict rules to collecting unemployment, welfare should be the same. One year, get your life in order, get a job.
Working poor. I know many families that fall under this income level. But they keep working, hoping to improve their lives and money situation. Who ever said we didn't have to work hard to survive? | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:40:48 PM | | The measure of a civilization, a society and of a man is how they treat those less fortunate and less capable. That's what I think anyway. When planning welfare aid there should be a gladly given excess built in, so that not only everyone in need gets help but even some who don't really need it at all get extra. The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that owning a surplus of wealth while anyone else had less than enough could not happen. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 10:23:11 AM | The measure of a civilization, a society and of a man is how they treat those less fortunate and less capable. That's what I think anyway. When planning welfare aid there should be a gladly given excess built in, so that not only everyone in need gets help but even some who don't really need it at all get extra. The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that owning a surplus of wealth while anyone else had less than enough could not happen.
Very well said.
You should strive for self suficiantcy.
Yes you should. I don't disagree with this. What I'm saying is that the current system, at least where I'm from not only fosters abuse of the system but it also keeps good people trying to get ahead down. I know from first hand experience. I can therefore understand how someone trying to get ahead might eventually give up and just abuse the system, feeling ripped off. Kind of like an insurance company taking all your premiums for 15 years and then not paying off when you really need the insurance you bought into.
People are paid according to their ability to do a job and at the lowest you can pay someone to do it compitantly.
Correct. This is the current system, and these issues are symptoms of it's failings. This isn't the only system ever used or still available.
Missmanaged companies should ceast to exist just like mismanaged lives.
So why didn't this happen in this case??? Shouldn't that make you angry? I mean if you'll harrass the poor in public, what are you going to do about something this big??? | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 11:18:37 AM |
The measure of a civilization, a society and of a man is how they treat those less fortunate and less capable. That's what I think anyway. When planning welfare aid there should be a gladly given excess built in, so that not only everyone in need gets help but even some who don't really need it at all get extra. The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that owning a surplus of wealth while anyone else had less than enough could not happen.
the measure of a civilization.. you don't think that, you just believe that, because someone else originally thought it. that quote has been regurgitated so many times that its almost not even worth quoting anymore, because everybody seems to use it for whatever agenda they're pushing. and about owning a "surplus" of wealth... that's a very socialist way of thinking, you should be careful with that kind of stuff, one day it may actually happen. in a country where rich people are paying somewhere in the 40%s in taxes, the surplus you speak of only exists because they work twice as hard to maintain their wealth and lifestyles, sometimes in ways that any normal citizen could. instead of people sitting around and waiting for the great country of america (or whatever country for that matter) to help them, when they're hungry... don't you find it the least bit concerning that we have more and more people relying on the government for simple shit like food and rent money? isn't that a scary thought, considering our government? or any government? the more people that aren't self sufficient, the higher chance of being controlled by the influences of their "paychecks", regardless if they work for them or not. there's more reasons to be self sufficient than merely saving tax money, but people are too preoccupied with who's their babies daddies, and when their tax rebate comes in so they can go out and buy spinners, that they don't realize the bigger problem. not only are they grossly uneducated, not only are they not self sufficient.....they have no ambition to be. and that thought is far scarier than anything else. there are so many programs out there to get educated, more than there are to get crack money, but people seem to push those programs aside for various reasons. why go to college, even if it has a daycare program, when the state pays for your daycare and you can sit at home numbing your mind, watching judge judy. while i do enjoy judge judy, retarded television shows should be a valuable gift, not something taken for granted everyday. while that might sound retarded, think of it this way. how many hard working americans have the novelty to sit on their asses at 11am, watching insanely unintelligent television? how a country treats its weak.... **** that. giving money isn't loving, nor nurturing. try raising a baby on nothing but money and freedom to smoke crack whenever they wish. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 11:38:54 AM |
the surplus you speak of only exists because they work twice as hard to maintain their wealth and lifestyles,]
This may be true in some cases, but definitely not most of them. There are so many factors contributing to why some have so much more than others.
I would also argue that the 40% tax number you mentioned is a bit misleading. In theory that is what they're supposed to pay, but the reality, with clever accountants on the pay roll is a completely different matter. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 12:04:04 PM | everybody's always passing the blame... people "shouldn't have that much wealth", or "their accountants are cheating the system", or whatever... why is it that everybody wants to tax the rich, yet nobody wants to get the poor off of drugs? i don't understand this onesided mentality. its like the rich actually did something WRONG, and need to be PUNISHED, yet people who have fallen through the cracks for whatever reason, and end up actually smoking crack, WHILE procreating, seem to just get a handout and a sympathetic stare.
anyone here watch the red eye, on fox news? the host talked about shame last night. how we could have a gov (i live in ny), who pays for a hooker and gets caught a week ago, the blind dude that just got in on monday admitted yesterday (2nd day in office), that he had cheated on his wife... the jersey gov is talking about having threesomes with his wife and some dude at fridays.... where did shame go? it used to be shameful to be poor, shameful to not have a job, shameful to do drugs, and now its just so out in the open, nobody really cares. i remember when my mom was on disability and was getting food stamps when she broke her neck, and she used to be so ashamed to go to the supermarket with food stamps because she worked since she was 15 years old, living on her own, and never needed a thing from anybody. these days, in grocery lines, people are comparing the pictures on their benefit cards, complaining that they can't buy alcohol with it. this country has gone down the shitter in so many ways, but blaming the rich isn't the answer, because while its easy to (because we all seem to hate what we don't have), its not productive. part of the blame has to be on the people who have become complacent in their situations. the unregulated flow of money to drug addicts and baby factories needs to stop. i'm not saying shut down welfare and throw everyone onto the street, but come'on, simple things, don't let them do drugs, don't let them breed when they can't even feed themselves! how can we blame the rich for that?! maybe my dad was an ***hole, but he used to always say "go to college, get a job." not "smoke crack, and make tons of babies you can't afford." he did this both by example, and by lecture. the kids of these welfare recipients get neither, and we really wonder why the majority of violent crimes are committed by the poor? the poverty in this country is ridiculous, and not because of the numbers, but because of the attitudes. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 3:20:38 PM | Everyone, EVERYONE contributes in some form or another to the society we live in, even those that abuse the system
Care to elaborate on how the woman (mentioned by butterfly in post187) is "contributing" to society other than spending the free money welfare has given her in addition to the money she "earned", but don't declare??
Everyone has the potential to do more and this is where we need to be focusing our efforts. It is our responsibility to create an environment where all people are empowered
People have the "potential" to do more only if they also have the drive to do so. Giving free welfare money to those who "work the system" does nothing but create the environment where they can lounge about all day long while waiting for the next check to roll in. "Empowering" people?? That sounds like some Anthony Robbins drivel. Society can't "empower" anyone who is unwilling to make an effort on their own.
Take away the emotional side of it and you could say it's even about maximizing efficiencies
"Maximizing efficiencies"?? Free welfare to abusers are creating the "potholes" on the road to self-sufficiency.
We are ALL inheirantly responsible for the conditions we allow others to flounder in when we have so much excess
This statement attempts to absolve welfare abusers of the conditions they brought upon themselves. That's right ... no personal accountability ... no ownership of their lives ... expect handholding from society. People are adults (at least I think so) and are not in kindergarten anymore.
statistics pertaining to the "working" poor. Those who DO go to work, full time but still do not earn enough to sustain themselves. These jobs NEED to be filled, they are necessary to the function of this society by nature of their very existance...so why don't they pay enough??? Why doesn't a crossing guard or early childhood educator earn what a banker does???
The low paying jobs that need to be filled should be filled by people such as students who need temporary work while completing their education. If the "working poor" must resign themselves to low wage jobs as a career ... they need to look inward at themselves to see where they had gone wrong. Didn't finish school perhaps ... or an unplanned pregnancy that prevented higher educational pursuit??
There's a reason a banker, a lawyer, an engineer, a doctor or specialized surgeon earn what they do. It's called an EDUCATION!! That education can amount to more than 8 years of intense studies and sacrifices of immediate gratifications. You can't compare the salaries of a brain surgeon (with very specialized skills) to a crossing guard or a retail outlet clerk. Those who have dedicated a good portion of their lives to invest in a decent education deserve the kind of money they earn. The "working poor" didn't invest the effort necessary to demand higher wages. If they did, they wouldn't be the "working poor" ... no?? More than likely, they were busy making babies without any thought of consequences until they were neck-deep in "baby-$hit". People aren't automatically entitled to a decent wage simply to lift them out of the "working poor" classification. Oh ... there's that word again ... "entitlement".
but what you are creating is dependantcy and once you stop it's all over. You should strive for self suficiantcy
It should be noted that every major prophet known to man has advised us to shelter the meek and mild, the care for the poor. I'm not a man of faith, but as a philosphical ideal, it's certainly valid. Does that include the one that said give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime?
Exactly. Social services creates a perpetual cycle of dependency, fixitfred which is opposite to the prophetic statement about teaching a man to fish and not just feed him fish.
Additionally, you do not need to have worked 52 weeks to qualify, simply 910 EI insurable hours in the qualifying period
Thanks for clarifying that, psssst. Only 910 insurable hours to qualify is rather generous.
The measure of a civilization, a society and of a man is how they treat those less fortunate and less capable. That's what I think anyway. When planning welfare aid there should be a gladly given excess built in, so that not only everyone in need gets help but even some who don't really need it at all get extra. The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that owning a surplus of wealth while anyone else had less than enough could not happen. Very well said
Actually, very poorly said. Unless you were born with some debilitating condition or suffered some kind of illness or accident, there is no such thing as "less fortunate". People create their own fortune or their own misery. A young couple producing babies with neither an education nor a solid financial foundation is NOT less fortunate ... less adaquate maybe. Same with the person who drinks or drugs themselves onto the street life.
The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that owning a surplus of wealth while anyone else had less than enough could not happen
The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that one would think about the consequences of poor choices before making such choices. | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 5:17:10 PM | Can't understand why people judge... I'm on welfare. I have 5 kids, people think I'm rich but I'm not.... Yeah Ihave a nice SUV, but I can only afford 2 nights out per week! (Which sux ass LOL) I don't smoke the reefa much, only 20ish or so a day. I'm careful with all of your money.. I say my thanx to the Lord for tax payers and hard workers so I dont have to be one. I would love a job but my nails are really long - (EXTENSIONS) like my hair.
On the flipside I have 5 kids, of course I'm not leavin them all day when I can claim for them. I'm fortunate they are all in school and daycare so I don't need to look after them till like 4 ish. What a blessing, I get to lay in bed and sleep, I need to make myself look pretty for my evening job as an escort (cash in hand of course).
  | |
|
| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 7:04:16 PM | ^^^^^You're a textbook example of why people judge degenerate retards on welfare who should be shot or gassed. Only 20 years old but already popped 5 kids ... drinks and does drugs more than 3 times a week.
but I can only afford 2 nights out per week
Oh ... I feel so sorry for you. 
Can't understand why people judge ...
Read your own post and you'll understand.  | |
|
|
| Page 8 of 22
|
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 |
|
Home
login 
