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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 7:10:52 PM |
Can't understand why people judge... I'm on welfare.
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/19/2008 8:00:35 PM | | holy shit, 5 kids and you're 20? thats terrible. what were you thinking? you figure after the first four you'd learn a lesson or 3... and you're on a dating site? are at least a few of them by the same father? do you have to keep a chart on the fridge to know who's is which? | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:35:39 PM | According to your profile you are not a Mother so you would not know the hardships of raising a child alone Nope, cuz some of us are responsible when it comes to our fertility.  There are plenty of people who have children and raise them on their own without any kind of financial assistance from people who didn't choose to have the kid. It happens every day. I know, shocker, right? People only doing things they can afford.
you said yourself you do not even work full time.
Because I don't need to. I live comfortably on my income. When I start to take money out of your pocket to help fund my bad choices, you can complain.
oh, and my feelings on mens rights and whatnot? i think that there should be a choice a man makes when he is notified that he has a child on the way, or its already born. he signs a waver, giving up all his rights to that child, and in return he doesn't have to pay child support. if he wants visitation, and wants to be a part of that child's life, he has to pay. but i find it ridiculous that women can choose to have a child regardless of what the father says, and he as absolutely no say in the matter. if she can't afford it, and she's smart enough to abort the child, the father's off the hook. otherwise, he's stuck with the child.
Dude, have you been stalking my posts in other threads? 
I also have first hand knowledge of working with a disabled child....do you?? Do you have any idea the cost of a motorized wheel chair? Medications? Physical Therapy? Do you stop to think for one minute that the stress of a handicapped child was to much for the marriage to handle [...]
I find it fascinating you say those of us (me, specifically) without kids can't comment, but you, who don't have a disabled kid, are qualified to speak about them. Does it only work if you're in support of something that you aren't required to have "first-hand knowledge"?
If you want to break it down like that, I've worked at two daycares; I've worked in pre-k, elementary, middle, and high schools, all special-needs and/or deaf; I've worked alongside peers who would purposely restrict their hours (doing the SAME job I was, making the SAME amount I was) so that they wouldn't lose their benefits; and I now have a career where I get to be a fly on the wall and I know more about those who abuse the system than you will ever know. I win, thanks for playing. :)
Since you brought up the idea of paying taxes for services such as police, firefighters, etc. which every citizen requires as opposed to welfare services ... which may not be needed by every citizen.
To address the first part of this, isn't it funny how the taxpayers are also the only ones paying for the police, firefighters, etc. The nonworking recipients get their benefits PLUS pay nothing for all these other community-wide services we "all" have to pay for?
To address the second... welfare is nothing more than a charity and should be funded by voluntary donations like any other.
One of the most important being that we survive and prosper when we co-operate. You do know that "cooperate" means to give AND take, not just take. And take. And take. Right? You do know the downfall is when one takes. and takes. and takes. and never contributes back, right? Thanks for helping our argument. 
Hating on the poor, villifying them, adds nothing constructive to the discussion or it's solution. If anything, it's clear that it poisons a fragile balance in the public opinion to such a degree that a caste system is clearly seen. This has a compounding effect on an already serious set of obstacles. I don't know anyone who hates the poor. We despise the willfully poor. Those who want everything handed to them; those who feel entitled to mooching off everyone else. Those who won't take a job making $1200 a month working 40 hours a week because then they'd lose their $800 in benefits doing nothing.
I finally broke down and went to welfare office. The guy laughed at me.[...]
Sooooo.....I left the office and got a better job.
Do you think you'd be as successful if you hadn't been forced to stand on your own two feet?
I look at is as one more broken system that's become too political to fix. Like schools.... The number one problem with education is lack of parental involvement. We won't get into that, though. 
Do people honestly believe that if we punish the abusers of the system, that it will magically start functioning properly?
Define "punish." If by "punish" you mean cutting those who abuse it off and forcing them to get jobs, then hell yeah it'd function properly. It'd be there for those who truly need it. Oh, and if you consider that punishment then you've led a very charmed life.
Everyone, EVERYONE contributes in some form or another to the society we live in, even those that abuse the system. First potential answer: No. Some people are just a drain on society. Second potential answer: Sure. They contribute in a negative way. We don't need that. You pick whichever one you fancy more.
When planning welfare aid there should be a gladly given excess built in, so that not only everyone in need gets help but even some who don't really need it at all get extra. The idea of poverty should be so abhorrent to civilized man that owning a surplus of wealth while anyone else had less than enough could not happen.
Those are the ones CHOOSING to have less because less is free and more takes hard work. So, let me get this right, I should be so disgusted with the idea of poverty that I give the money I earned to someone who isn't disgusted by poverty so they choose to stay in it? Makes sense.
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 12:38:49 AM |
Can't understand why people judge... I'm on welfare. I have 5 kids, people think I'm rich but I'm not.... Yeah Ihave a nice SUV, but I can only afford 2 nights out per week! (Which sux ass LOL) I don't smoke the reefa much, only 20ish or so a day. I'm careful with all of your money.. I say my thanx to the Lord for tax payers and hard workers so I dont have to be one. I would love a job but my nails are really long - (EXTENSIONS) like my hair.
On the flipside I have 5 kids, of course I'm not leavin them all day when I can claim for them. I'm fortunate they are all in school and daycare so I don't need to look after them till like 4 ish. What a blessing, I get to lay in bed and sleep, I need to make myself look pretty for my evening job as an escort (cash in hand of course).
haha she is joking, there's no way you can have an SUV while on welfare, insurance alone would kill her :)) | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 2:11:34 AM | | How can you even ask this question? If you're not disabled and on welfare - you're lazy. Any able man or woman can support themselves regardless of circumstance. If you're taking hand-outs and sucking the money out of people that work hard to make it...how do you think you should be judged by those people? | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 4:57:38 AM |
holy shit, 5 kids and you're 20? thats terrible. what were you thinking? you figure after the first four you'd learn a lesson or 3... and you're on a dating site? are at least a few of them by the same father? do you have to keep a chart on the fridge to know who's is which?
First off how can people be so judgemental??
Yes I can safford a SUV one of my kids dads is a pilot I get good child support payments..
Yes my kids do have the same dad, well the twins do!!
I doin't get pregnant on purpose, I blame it on my school, I thought that french kissing would get me poregnant, so I didn't let him put his tongue in my mouth, that made me get pregant the 1st time..
The other times well what can I say god gave me my Angels
Ok so i went for a job the other week, as a good will gesture to tax payers and just to say I have tried and they said I would have to ditch the hair extensions and nails and so I said no way, thats like my whole thing..
Why is having 5 kids terrible? I make sure they have decent clothes on their back, they have dads who have very well paid jobs, is it my fault I get used as a baby machine by the dads once I have the babys the dads leave.. What can I do??.. Trywalk in my shoes (Gucci) for one day andd then judge me, until such a day keep your narrowminds having fun at work..
O i think I NEED to go to the doctors today (for frree)
Ps I get discount on the insurance and dad no2 pays it..
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 5:22:02 AM | LMAO youre so full of shit, its brilliant. Its seriously widing them all up!! I bet Wowsad is jumping up and down windmilling his arms all over the place in fury!
edit/join rllmukforum.com you'd like it there miss. Make sure you come and say hello. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 7:37:15 AM | | lol, i know "she's" kidding... while i do believe people like that do exist, they mainly don't have computers, or internet access.. all their money goes towards booze and drugs. like my friend who's a heroin junkie, he doesn't even have a cellphone... all their money goes towards their addictions. although, in the long run, he'd be better off with a cellphone cause he could just txt his dealer... if i was going to be a complete junkie, i'd get hooked up with every kind of technology that could facilitate my drug use. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 11:33:10 AM | if anyone cares to post what the welfare rules are for there states/province i will also do the same so we can all truly compare what the real problems are or even to find out how much taxes is really going to welfare....this way we can all discuss this logically...some have already posted how much taxes are truly going to welfare but how about the rest who have such an issue with it?  | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 11:36:56 AM | | No need to discuss anything logically or use real information. Forums are more fun when you make stuff up and call people names. | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 4:42:32 PM | new york spent $2,067,066,079 in just child welfare services. lets see, roughly 19,306,183 people in new york, do some division.. thats roughly 100 dollars per person. now, i wonder how many people in new york are of age to pay taxes... well, there's 4,545,884 people under the age of 18, so now we have to subtract that from the population total... that leaves us paying 140 per person. WAIT! the state has a 14% poverty rate. crap. ok, so... out of the people of age to be paying taxes... we're up to 162. and this is just the children. and this is just one example of what happens when people who obviously can't afford children are breeding, each tax paying citizen of the state is paying 162 dollars a year. and that's nothing, 2 billion dollars? our budget in like 03 was somewhere in the 9 billion dollars figure if i recall.
so even if we use that number, thats 709 bucks per person, going straight to he state, if everybody that isn't poverty stricken is actually paying their taxes, and making enough to do so. most likely though, the level of "poverty" is higher. it would make sense that if you don't make enough money to be charged taxes, you would be considered poor... but in america, its not your inability to contribute that makes you poor, its your inability to enjoy luxury.
i don't know if all of my math is perfect, i'm going on 2 days without sleep, but long story short, its a lot of money when you think about it. not the 700 per person, because obviously we have corporate america to help us pay the bills, but we're paying corporate america, so in reality... we're the ones paying for it whether we know it or not.
i would bring out the statistics for drug users on welfare, but i'm too tired. its fairly high though. you've got a high chance of oding if you're on medicaid, go figure. nevermind you've got an 80+% chance of your baby coming out with cocaine already in it, too.... | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 5:04:16 PM | even to find out how much taxes is really going to welfare.... Ontario raised it's Social Services budget about 6 months ago bringing the yearly spending on this to 4,150,000,000.00
Add to this number $312,000,000.00 for housing.
Do the math... when you are speaking in terms of billions and adding hundreds of millions... it's tax dollars that is spent. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 9:21:19 PM | If it's a temporary solution...no problem.
If it's a way of life....that is past on to the next generation....NO WAY..!!! | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 9:30:13 PM | do you realize how many "middle class" jobs are tied up in "adminstering" and "delivering" welfare? do you really think the recipients of welfare make out better than the average bureaucracy employee-- not to mention the ancillary professions of law, social work, public housing, et al ?
w/o welfare there would be no jobs, w/o crime there would be no jobs or else there would not be so much crime. same for foster care and the little they do and the more they don't do for children. welfare oriented bureacracies are major sources of employment-- including socialized medicine and the usa limited medicare type programs, which are all modified welfare systems. so is is free education for that matter. after all, everyone pays for the school system and not just the ones who have children. it goes on and on. these bureacracies "put together" are major sources of employment. eliminate them and you have way more people w/o work and no welfare to assist them out of the mess they are in.
do not for a moment think that welfare is to help the poor or disenfranchised. i found this out very quickly as a foster/adopt mom. so many hands dipping into the till to "help" the children. it's a crock. | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/20/2008 10:42:03 PM | Can't understand why people judge... I'm on welfare. I think she was trying to be phunny
I'm not sure she is trying to be funny. Her profile does say she's 20 ... with kids ... want more kids ... smokes, drinks and does drugs. Her profession is unlisted. "Welfare cheating leech" as a profession wouldn't look good on a dating profile, would it??
welfare is nothing more than a charity and should be funded by voluntary donations like any other
Haha, if that was the case, welfare would die an almost instant death ... as only bleeding heart social activists would donate to such a lost cause ... but a person could hope for a day when welfare is no longer funded by taxpayers.
Yes I can safford a SUV one of my kids dads is a pilot I get good child support payments..
Yes my kids do have the same dad, well the twins do!!
"My kids have the same dad" contradicts "one of my kid's dads".
I doin't get pregnant on purpose, I blame it on my school, I thought that french kissing would get me poregnant, so I didn't let him put his tongue in my mouth, that made me get pregant the 1st time..
The other times well what can I say god gave me my Angels
Ahh ... the classic example of denial. Blaming an institution as oppose to not getting naked. Welfare cheats are experts at directing the blame at others for the situations they are in. Unless you're the Virgin Mary, God didn't get you pregnant.
Why is having 5 kids terrible? I make sure they have decent clothes on their back, they have dads who have very well paid jobs, is it my fault I get used as a baby machine by the dads once I have the babys the dads leave
No, you don't make sure your kids have decent clothes, etc. Taxpayers do. If their dads make good money, let them pay. And yes, it's your fault if you get used a baby making machine. Learn to keep your legs crossed and say 'No' to the approaching One-Eye-Snake.
w/o welfare there would be no jobs, w/o crime there would be no jobs or else there would not be so much crime. same for foster care and the little they do and the more they don't do for children. welfare oriented bureacracies are major sources of employment
eliminate them and you have way more people w/o work and no welfare to assist them out of the mess they are in
So you're saying that we should allow welfare to continue simply so that people in the profession of administering social services can have a "job"?? That's just feeding a bloated bureaucracy without any return on investment. If we abolish welfare, then all the support people involved in the system (directly or indirectly) would be FORCED TO GET A REAL JOB. What's a REAL job you may ask?? Oh, I don't know ... perhaps something in engineering or product design and manufacture for the stuff you use everyday. Or medical research and health care delivery. You'll still need doctors and surgeons even if we get rid of welfare ... in fact, more people will need medical services if society stopped paying for their lives, but guess what, such people would have to pay for doctors (with their own money) ... if they can't, I guess they'll just have to wither away and die ... more incentive to get their $hit together, no?? If they would rather commit crimes to fund their lives ... I guess we'll just have to give police officers the firepower to get the job done ... Woohoo!!   | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 11:57:08 PM | "So you're saying that we should allow welfare to continue simply so that people in the profession of administering social services can have a "job"??"
no, you have nothing to do with it. you are just a little spot on the stream. welfare exists expressly for people to have jobs. the recipients are secondary. if they were properly educated and saw any hope for opportunity, they would not have so many children. investigate the stats and read up on "economics".
if they all got off welfare and then the bureaucrats had no jobs because of it, they'd all be looking for jobs --the bureaucrats and the previous welfare recipients. jobs exist due to supply and demand. so you want them all to go work in technology and pollute the environment some more? if the marketplace was flooded, the prices would go down and they (the powers with money) would not make much profit as they all would be competing with each other to sell the same thing.
same with illegal drugs. do you know how many third world countries would starve to death if you tackled illegal drugs properly and got rid of them? of course, the peons get very little of it (just enough to keep them alive and working) and the filthy rich get richer on their "hard work" of bringing in the crops. if they had any options, do you think these people would be doing this back breaking work? but why let them stop, when all the drug lords and politicians are making out big time on the deal?
as to whoever above who stated that if no welfare, only liberals would support those who are not working. sorry, have you looked at the caseloads lately of many of the large christian "conservative" churches? of both liberals and conservatives, there are those who know true charity. many have the same goal, but believe in different ways to get there.
however, much of religious and politically motivated charity ties down to numbers and votes and subsequent political (therefore economic) power. have you ever looked at the budgets of some of these "conservative" churches and the salaries of their "clergy"? much has been written about it over the years. if anything, the liberals WISH they could make that much money for their causes. if your congregation is poor, but very large, that is votes baby! votes set the tide for political and economic power. that, in turn, puts money back into your coffers.
believe me, if life were that simple and you could boil it all down to what you think is obviously right, chances are it would have happened already--unless there are other motivations and causes behind what you see before you. people are way too selfish as a whole, to give so freely w/o a catch! 
as to the medical field: why do you think that some diseases are not ever addressed? because there's no money in it , the way it is structured economically. if not enough numbers attached to the disease, not enough "business" to warrant the research. so, who is going to hire all these people in the medical field? if there are too many workers, they will be in less demand and the salaries would go down. then those people will not be able to afford their bills.
is this right? no. is this fair? no. is this how it is? yes. try figuring out another system with limited resources and an increasing population and not to mention "human nature". | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:21:09 AM |
welfare exists expressly for people to have jobs. the recipients are secondary
investigate the stats and read up on "economics"
Just one more reason why I hate welfare or any kind of social services ... economics or not. Cutting a paycheck based on administering the crap of others is repugnant ... which leads to my next personal belief. I would never donate to any charity that caters to the easing of people's lives when they create their own misfortune. Such organizations include (but not limited to) the Salvation Army, the local United Way, or shelters of any kind. My reasoning is: why should I give money to clean up the mess in people's lives AND at the same time fund the paychecks of the administrative staff so they can buy the next Porsche or Mercedez?? When charities come looking for a handout, I take great pleasure in telling them to "F-Off". We're talking after tax dollars now and I can choose not to give it ... sneer at the fundraising canvassers as they walk away dejected.  
many have the same goal, but believe in different ways to get there
All together now ... can we say "bureaucratic baloney"??!!
if they all got off welfare and then the bureaucrats had no jobs because of it, they'd all be looking for jobs --the bureaucrats and the previous welfare recipients. jobs exist due to supply and demand. so you want them all to go work in technology and pollute the environment some more? if the marketplace was flooded, the prices would go down and they (the powers with money) would not make much profit as they all would be competing with each other to sell the same thing
Oh, but the current status quo is much better??? ... where there are layers and layers of redundant support services and welfare cheats mildewing about all day long waiting for the next handout check to drop into their laps.
I still believe economics has a way of re-balancing itself even if social service people got into real productive jobs I mentioned earlier rather than hang onto jobs that are nothing more than "administrative gristle and fat". Some may end up with low-end Walmart positions, but hey, that would depend on your level of technical expertise. Not everyone is cut out to be a rocket scientist.
same with illegal drugs. do you know how many third world countries would starve to death if you tackled illegal drugs properly and got rid of them?
serenity, you preaching to someone who cares little for social services ... much less how many will die of starvation in Third World countries if we eliminated illegal drugs.
who is going to hire all these people in the medical field? if there are too many workers, they will be in less demand and the salaries would go down. then those people will not be able to afford their bills
Don't know about the States, but in Canada, there is a serious lack of medical professionals to fill the needed positions such that waiting list for procedures is forever long.
people are way too selfish as a whole, to give so freely w/o a catch!
You're right on that one. I'm sure the presidents of charities are gleefully jumping for joy when they exceed their yearly campaign targets. They know "on which side their bread is buttered". | |
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| why judge people on welfare?
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:54:44 AM | Padawan,
If your profile is as truthful and accurate as you have presented....I am disgusted at your overall attitude and opinions of people who are in need of a hand up.
You and your sidekick..what's her name... seem to offer more judgements and critisism about people who are in need of welfare... yet offer no positive suggestions on how to help the people in the system.
I would have thought someone from your ethnic background would have more compassion for the people that have to struggle...had I thought that...I would have been wrong...
BTW...you really missed some good sarcasim from the woman who has five kids...it probably dosen't translate the same for you though!
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Posted: 3/21/2008 11:13:53 AM | Padawan,
If your profile is as truthful and accurate as you have presented....I am disgusted at your overall attitude and opinions of people who are in need of a hand up.
You and your sidekick..what's her name... seem to offer more judgements and critisism about people who are in need of welfare... yet offer no positive suggestions on how to help the people in the system.
I would have thought someone from your ethnic background would have more compassion for the people that have to struggle...had I thought that...I would have been wrong...
BTW...you really missed some good sarcasim from the woman who has five kids...it probably dosen't translate the same for you though!
Wellsaid Lizbeth also , if you don't earn enogh money Padawan I suggest you get aanother job, also there is no picture on your profile?? Are you married?? Or are you infact on welfare yourself and jelous you don't have 5 kids to claim for??
The worse critics are rather from jelousy or something in your self you don not like, its easier to change others as there is no work involved..
Hold on a moment think one of my kids needs feeding and the others need taking to their violin lessons..
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Posted: 3/21/2008 12:19:01 PM | From - http://www.aims.ca/equalization.asp?typeID=4&id=943
- Every dollar the sole wage earner in a Nova Scotia family of four earns between $13,187 and $17,983 results in a drop in take-home pay of around 15 cents
- Those earning over $80,000? Over $100,000? Over $250,000? It's none of the above. In fact, the highest marginal tax rate in Nova Scotia falls on poor families with kids when those families struggle to move off welfare and into paid work.
- Basically, for every dollar of income earned by working, families on social assistance lose 75 cents of welfare benefit. Income taxes start at absurdly low levels of taxable income: $13,187. Cross the $13,187 dollar threshold, which is roughly what someone might be earning on minimum wage, income taxes and EI and CPP premiums are taking a bite out of your take home pay. And the government starts to claw back other benefits, like your GST credit and your Canada Child Tax Benefit.
- In this province alone, the feds will send around $71.8-million to low-income families with children between 1998 and 2004.
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Nova Scotia's welfare trap
Who do you think pays the highest tax rates in Nova Scotia? Those earning over $80,000? Over $100,000? Over $250,000? It's none of the above. In fact, the highest marginal tax rate in Nova Scotia falls on poor families with kids when those families struggle to move off welfare and into paid work. Such families with a single wage earner pay marginal rates in excess of 100 percent on income between $13,187, where federal and provincial income taxes kick in, and the level at which welfare clawbacks ends.
Paying a marginal tax rate of over 100 percent, of course, means that such families literally make themselves worse off by working. Every dollar the sole wage earner in a Nova Scotia family of four earns between $13,187 and $17,983 results in a drop in take-home pay of around 15 cents. Such a family earning exactly $13,187 must receive a pay increase of at least $4,796 before its income rises by a single penny.
How does this happen? Because of the way the welfare and tax systems conspire together to trap poor people on social assistance. Basically, for every dollar of income earned by working, families on social assistance lose 75 cents of welfare benefit. Income taxes start at absurdly low levels of taxable income: $13,187. Cross the $13,187 dollar threshold, which is roughly what someone might be earning on minimum wage, income taxes and EI and CPP premiums are taking a bite out of your take home pay. And the government starts to claw back other benefits, like your GST credit and your Canada Child Tax Benefit.
Add these taxes and benefit clawbacks together, and someone earning $14,000 as the sole wage earner for a family of four, actually loses just over 15 cents of take home pay for every extra dollar of wages earned. At $16,000, the loss is just under 15 cents. It's only when their income passes the threshold of around $21,000 that their marginal tax rate falls to a more "normal" 39.8 percent or so.
This is about the most perverse social policy one can imagine. Statistics Canada data are very clear: the most effective way for people to escape low income and make themselves better off is not for the government to raise welfare rates. It is for people on low incomes to get into the labour force and work more hours. Even if wages are initially low, people quickly improve their situation because low wages are merely the first rung on a ladder that leads to higher wages as people establish the skills and discipline that make them valuable employees.
But when people try to escape welfare by working they face this huge barrier of perverse incentives in the tax and benefits system. Because the system literally leaves people worse off by working over this crucial income range (the first steps off welfare and into paid work), it literally rewards people not to work. This is what's known as the welfare trap, and there is a great deal of research that establishes that these barriers do in fact discourage people from working as much as they could.
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Posted: 3/21/2008 1:26:50 PM |
Wellsaid Lizbeth also , if you don't earn enogh money Padawan I suggest you get aanother job, also there is no picture on your profile?? Are you married?? Or are you infact on welfare yourself and jelous you don't have 5 kids to claim for??
The worse critics are rather from jelousy or something in your self you don not like, its easier to change others as there is no work involved..
So what,does it mean their opinion doesn't count?
I also don't have kids,does that mean my opinion shouldn't count?
Following that logic:only rich people can criticize other rich people...or only criminals can criticize other criminals. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 3:22:41 PM | Padawan,
If your profile is as truthful and accurate as you have presented....I am disgusted at your overall attitude and opinions of people who are in need of a hand up
lizbeth, if you believe my profile to be accurate, then you're not too bright.  God ... I hate that word "hand up" ... just a euphemism for "handout" to make welfare leeches feel better about themselves.
You and your sidekick..what's her name... seem to offer more judgements and critisism about people who are in need of welfare... yet offer no positive suggestions on how to help the people in the system
Which sidekick would that be?? ... there's a few posters on here who are against the welfare cheats.
As psssst said in post152:
As long as I'm supporting someone, either directly or indirectly, I have the privilege of forming opinions based on the dues I've paid
I'm not here to offer suggestions to help the cheaters. You seem to miss the entire point: We are against the welfare cheating leeches. Which part of cheaters/abusers of the system can't you comprehend??
I would have thought someone from your ethnic background would have more compassion for the people that have to struggle...had I thought that...I would have been wrong...
I have ZERO compassion for people who make poor choices for their lives ... expecting society to clean up their crap. I have struggled all my life but my choices don't require someone to rescue me with a handout.
BTW...you really missed some good sarcasim from the woman who has five kids...it probably dosen't translate the same for you though!
You believe what she's saying is so outrageous that it can't possibly be true and is intended only to goad other posters. Perhaps her angle isn't what you think.
Ever heard of the old saying ... "Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction"??
if you don't earn enogh money Padawan I suggest you get aanother job
Whether I earn enough money or not is immaterial, as long as I don't seek other people's money to support my lifestyle choices.
also there is no picture on your profile?? Are you married?? Or are you infact on welfare yourself and jelous you don't have 5 kids to claim for??
Guess you missed my post where I said I've never been on welfare (in my 29 years of working) ... but methinks I should start emulating your callous attitude ... quit working, knock up some chicks (10 kids should suffice) and claim my share of welfare from the state to support them. Sounds like a plan.
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Posted: 3/21/2008 3:37:10 PM | right so married then???
Ya never answered??
yeah well I guess ya'll be knocking at my door then hey thinking I will be the chick to give ya 10 kids??? Good plan baby lets get busy! for 10 kids we will be loaded, not to mention all the work it will be bringing up 10 kids, but hey yeah if thats what you think..
Let me ask you this,if you could not get a job, I mean you had spent al lyour savings, and you had no money, would you starve to death rather than cliam??
or would you indeed rather live than die or would you actuall rather steal food??
think I may change my profile to welfare cheating leech as you suggested, what do you think???
Why do you need to be so judgemental, if you claim welfare then you must be low, on drugs, smoke, not everyone who is on welfare does all these things, I stopped smoking for 3days once, when I had over spent at the shops on diamonds, I mean come on guys...
ps could someone do some overtime I feel like I need more money
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Posted: 3/21/2008 4:01:34 PM | right so married then??? No
Ya never answered??
yeah well I guess ya'll be knocking at my door then hey thinking I will be the chick to give ya 10 kids??? Good plan baby lets get busy! for 10 kids we will be loaded, not to mention all the work it will be bringing up 10 kids, but hey yeah if thats what you think
In Canada, there are welfare moms who decide (on a whim) they need more money from the system ... their solution is to pop another kid. So it can't be that much work in bringing up 10 bundles of joy.
Let me ask you this,if you could not get a job, I mean you had spent al lyour savings, and you had no money, would you starve to death rather than cliam??
In the 29 years that I've been working, I've always managed to find a job ... whether that job is menial or something in my technical field. Seldom do I have the need to dip into my investment savings to pay for daily expenses. Because I have no children to feed, that allows me the freedom to fix a bad situation without ever having to go on welfare. It all comes down to making the right choices for yourself.
If you're going to ask: what if you get sick and can't work or what if you lose everything in a disaster and can't rebuild?? Well, I have insurance for that.
BTW ... not being able to find a job, exhaust all your savings and you're starving to death IS NOT the same as popping babies (without thought) and looking to welfare to bail you out.
think I may change my profile to welfare cheating leech as you suggested, what do you think???
Methinks ... YES.
Why do you need to be so judgemental, if you claim welfare then you must be low, on drugs, smoke, not everyone who is on welfare does all these things, I stopped smoking for 3days once
We never said all people on welfare do these things ... only that some people are on welfare because of poor personal choices. Hey, if you can have 5 kids without needing taxpayer's support ... go nuts. It's when you come looking for other people's money to fund your stupidity ... that becomes the issue. | |
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