| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/4/2008 7:31:19 PM |
life wouldn't be exciting then if we all admitted its limitations.
There is nothing exciting about beating your head against the wall to try and circumvent known and experimentally verified limitations. The excitement is discovering things that are unknown. | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/4/2008 7:38:39 PM |
So you don't get more energy from a nuclear bomb than what's put into it ?
Of course not. Calculate the binding energy difference between the 235U nucleus and the fission products (fission fragments and neutrons, including the kinetic energies). In fact, the efficiency is only a few percent of the theoretical yield. You seem to be forgetting that nuclear bombs were designed from the principles you are trying to refute.
When will people stop living like they're blind and deaf, and do some REAL research into things.
And you happen to know enough to know what REAL research is, exactly how? Fill me in. If I don't understand any of the physics or mathematics in your arguments, I'll go learn it before responding. | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/4/2008 9:54:33 PM | | lol, but what fun would it be if we didn't believe there was a subversive cabal conspiring against us? The illuminati is actively keeping us down man! William Cooper where are you now! We need you! | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/6/2008 9:55:39 AM | Re abelian
The facts I was referring to were the ones of people being threatened, having their inventions confiscated or the inventors disappearing. Not the technical details of their work. | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/6/2008 10:17:43 AM | abelian re msg 125
youtube.com?watch?v=SvB3PiPBozU.........( or same product)
youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M What is wrong with this invention, in your mathematical opnion ? And why aren't these used to cut the use of fossil fuels. Why are inventions such as this kept away from the public ?
youtube.com/watch?v=ogLeKTlLy5E Pts 1,2,3,4. Can this system work, if not why not.
/watch?v=yh_-DuKQ4Uw&NR=1 Why doesn't everyone have one to lower greenhouse gas? | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/6/2008 3:17:44 PM | There's much more to zero-point energy "sources", fusion, anti-gravity propulsion and other "concepts" than the population at large are allowed to be aware of from what I gather. Feel free to point me toward a MATHEMATICAL treatise and I'll shoot it down. I've studied this (the real) shit and I know enough to spot bs, not to mention knowing who a number of the perennial bs-ers are.
MATHEMATICAL treatise, yeah sure, just a sec...
Anyone who believes zero-point energy is fantasy is most likely an intellectual descendant of the folks who laughed at the Wright brothers for thinking they could fly. Tesla knew it ages ago. Lamoreaux (among others) proved the Casimir Effect is real over a decade ago. Just one obscure, anecdotal example in the grand scheme of findings in the field.
I'm sure you've heard of ITER in France? I'd imagine if the international consortium is prepared to invest 10 billion euros and as many years in construction there just might just be something to it don't you think? The Joint European Torus was was producing controlled fusion power in 1991.
You can write letters to Northrop, Lockheed-Martin, McDonnell-Douglas, General Elecrtric, Lear, etc. and ask them for copies of their "mathematical treatise" from the 50's onward, they were all working extensively on anti-gravity propulsion and may well still be. Contact NASA and enquire about the "real" space program while you're at it, not sending worms up in the space shuttle and confirming water on Mars yet again with cute little robots? Make requests of them all as a start.
My opinion is only that, formulated from what I've had exposure to but if you can prove all these "concepts" mathematically impossible then get busy. There's so much information and so many people more believable than a mathematician on a dating site and his self-assured rhetoric. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2008 10:41:11 PM | Zero Point Energy refers to some potential, yet undefined, which may serve as a reserve for unused energy. For instance, in terms of the climatic condition of the biosphere, excess heat may be stored and reserved. This may involve storing CO2 below the surface of the earth. Coururrently that is what is being attempted: the storage of carbon from coal fired electric plants.
Accordingly, that C can be re-used, and what it would be use for is to moderate and maintain a suitable climatic regime, many years in advance.
So the un-used energy is that which is generated by us (anthropic sou ces), but stewarded by us for later use to enhance the climate and to enhance conditions during unfavourable climatic regimes.
This actually should not be a problem since it would be in our best interests to reach a climatic mean, or optimum. Our recent epoch and history as a species has spanned extinctions due to climate change we were not responsible for.
So we are here for the duration.
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/10/2008 3:07:53 PM | I did.
It doesn't look like free energy... probably because there isn't free energy.
Can we get a real physicist to comment on this? Hopefully a quantum physicist who deals with this level of stuff? | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/10/2008 4:33:55 PM |
Zero Point Energy refers to some potential, yet undefined, which may serve as a reserve for unused energy. For instance, in terms of the climatic condition of the biosphere, excess heat may be stored and reserved. This may involve storing CO2 below the surface of the earth. Coururrently that is what is being attempted: the storage of carbon from coal fired electric plants.
Accordingly, that C can be re-used, and what it would be use for is to moderate and maintain a suitable climatic regime, many years in advance.
So the un-used energy is that which is generated by us (anthropic sou ces), but stewarded by us for later use to enhance the climate and to enhance conditions during unfavourable climatic regimes.
This actually should not be a problem since it would be in our best interests to reach a climatic mean, or optimum. Our recent epoch and history as a species has spanned extinctions due to climate change we were not responsible for.
So we are here for the duration.
What da!? This is NOT ZPE, did you just make that up as a joke or something?  | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/21/2008 6:55:38 AM | A couple of links to check out for those interested in free energy systems, cheaper fuel or power, overunity systems and zero point energy.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
http://www.zpenergy.com/
http://peswiki.com/energy/News
http://pureenergysystems.com/academy/papers/Common_Duct_Electrolytic_OxyHydrogen/index.html
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/21/2008 8:52:33 PM | First dome house - the igloo. Heating - a seal oil lamp. Insulation - snow.
Second dome house - olive growers in Italy. Heating - olive oil. Insulation- rock.
Third dome house = mentioned in your first posting. :-)
I think if you look at the first and second dome houses closely there is a reason why people who used them for thousands of years move away from them as soon as they get a chance. :-) | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 9/24/2008 11:15:23 AM | Attention Geniuses: Focus your energy
Posted: 9/23/2008 1:01:55 PM
I have a prototype in my mind of a sort of inverted 2 litre pop bottle, with water pipes running throughout, tinted plexiglass, lots of plants and stream of running water through living area.
in basement is catch tank for waste from toilets which deorizes, purifies and recycles water through pipes which are heated by solar energy panels or just heated by the sun iteslf.
A totally self sustaining home with water and solar energy being used for power. hydroponic plants being grown underground by the catch tanks ........
I posted this in another thread. The home I'm thinking of would be a solid dome of plexiglass or some other sort of sturdy see through material. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 9:22:10 PM | I too agree with the post mzsomebody. Why do we think in two's? It has to be science or religion, democrat or republican, black or white, dry or wet.....
We only see dimly right now, even the pseudo brainiacs who beat their own drums need a candle in the darkness of their own minds.
Energy is all around us. We have to be in tune with it and harness it. The windmills in eastern California produce energy for the whole region. Pyramids were to harness energy much like a magnifying glass harnesses the sun's rays.
It seems sometimes that we haven't wandered far from the caveman. We still grunt and postulate and piss on the bushes. We're territorial and hard-headed and unwilling to accept anything but our own narrow views. Much like the folks who get stuck in an era and to this day, still listen to nothing but 50's or 60's music, still wear their hair the same way they did in high school...... | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 9:59:42 PM | | ^ I think Egyptians harnessed energy using droves of slaves, rather than their megalomaniacal architecture. Yes, I got a bone to pick with those Egyptians. I have my time machine and 'boom stick' ready, and I'm gonna use em someday! | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 10/21/2008 1:29:57 PM | | The laws of Thermodynamics forbid perpetual motion, and require that all things produce less energy than they consume, and that all things slow down, and wear out. Anyone who thinks he has invented a device which violates this is either an idiot who is not taking all things into account, or he is a fraud trying to rip others off. No one can stop him from producing a real device if he has the secret. To be an invention requires having a working prototype. If he had that, and no one wanted to help him market it, he could set up his own factory, and have at it. Apple computer started with one guy building computer kits in his garage, selling thm by mail, and then getting a couple of pals involved. Enough people bought Apple I computers-parts kits the buyer had to assemble himself-to give Apple enough of a profit to fund building the factory assembled Apple II computers, and selling those in stores. The rest is history. We already have many energy sources that do not rely on oil. However, they cost in other ways. Building a huge solar panel system requires owning the property to put the panels on, and foregoing the use of that land for farming, mining, etc. Suddenly, solar is not as cheap as it once seemed. Real estate is costly. If we elliminate wars over oil, we will start wars over wind routes, or whatever. Actually, Bucky sold his designs/inventions to industries which are not bothering to use them yet. He could have just as easily have taken the slow road to wealth, and sold his designs to end consumers...but chose the get rich quick route instead. In this universe, no one/nothing violates the laws of thermodynamics. If anyone could, they would not waste the technology on oil-less machinery. They would use the secret on themselves, and grow younger rather than older....reverse diseases like cancer, and AIDS, and grow into a trillionaire overnight doing that for the rich and powerful. How much would President Bush pay to grow younger? How much would Paul Newman have paid for a cure for cancer? Think about it and you will see that the claim of perpetual motion/reverse entropy have to be false. If the guy had such a secret, and mentioned it n Tv, he would not get death threats from industry. The politicians, industrialists, movie stars, etc, would flock to his home to buy eternal youth, and health, from him. He would soon have all of their money, and then some. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 1:51:34 PM | | There is no such thing as a fuel free engine. Even engines which run on water-seperating the hydrogen from the oxygen, and using one, or both as fuel-have to have water as fuel. That water has to come from somewhere, and be placed in a system designed to use it...which isn't going to be free. Dome homes won't withstand category 4, or 5, hurricanes. They need land to sit on, and when the land washes away in a hurricane/flood/tidal wave even a dome home goes with it. Cookie cutter craker box houses cost less, and give builders more profits. Dome homes are less profitable, as they cost more. So, consumers either go without dome homes , or the builders get poorer building and selling costlier domes for the same price as cracker box homes, or the price of a dome home goes up so much-to profit the builders-that consumers can't afford to buy it. Having the money to buy a bit of desert, and starting a community from scratch-as the Mafia once did with Reno/Las Vegas-is difficult. It would take organized crime, or government, to do it...and why should they? Spending all that money, and losing most of it, to prove a point to a curiosity seeker is not good business. In the cases of Reno/Las Vegas there was a profit potential as the communities would exist to cater to the prostitution, and gambling, markets...NOT the average home buyers. When wonder machines do not get built it is always because either the things do not-can not-actually exist, or they exist, but can not work at a profit. The middle east will never be stable. It was unstable for centuries before oil was even discovered, much less used. It is political, and religuious, upheaval destablizing the mid east, and that will remain in place no matter what inventions come into being, or are marketed. Energy is a bit player in the mid east. Racism, nationalism, religious intolerance, and greed for power, dwarf energy as factors in the mid east situation. If everyone on the planet were given a free car, and free fuel, for life, Arabs would still want to wipe out Jews, Iraqis woud still want to kill Iranians, and Sunnis would still want to wipe out all Shiites. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 1:54:19 PM | | The cost of building the ceramic, and cooling it, make that method too expensive, and not energy efficient enough. Then there is the cost of producing the electricity to produce the magnetism. | |
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| perpetual energy and other promising inventions
Posted: 10/21/2008 1:55:50 PM | | Not if you factor in the cost of the palladium, and the energy used to move the electrodes, andproducing the heavy water, and buying/mining the lithium salts. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 2:02:52 PM | | Zero point energy comes into being, and is destroyed, in an instant, or less. It does not exist long enough to be mined/manipulated. For all practical purposes, therefore, it does not exist. | |
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