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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/15/2006 7:58:07 AM | | allh2h _ I not only agree with your comments regarding dogs in cars, but I keep my dog in mine for exactly that reason, to guard the car. I drive an antique muscle car and there is no way I would park it in a lot of places without my dog in it to stand guard. And YES, he keeps anything that comes through the window. And, by law, is allowed. That car is private property the same as my house. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2006 2:15:12 PM | To Delytful
If your going to use a dog to guard you , your fammily or any possessions or property you have you may want to consider properly protection training that dog.
If your dog gets out of your car and/or property and bites someone they can and should sue you . | |
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Posted: 6/15/2006 11:16:30 PM | Just to add to my previous post .. ANY and EVERY dog regardless of breed has the potential to bite and be aggressive. On the same note ANY and EVERY dog has the potential to be a canine good citizen .
Any dog put in a compromising situation will either fight or flight .. Yes certain breeds are more prone to fight as the protective instict is a little more engraned in their phyche but as ANY dog owner should be well educated and commited to raising a healthy well balanced and well socialized dog. Dog ownership is a serious commitment and any people who do not see it as that should not take on this responsibility .
I will use the Cane Corse as an example ... if you are to purchase this breed you must be an experienced dog owner who understands the breed well ( same goes for ANY dog ) and are willing to put out the time and commitment required and you must understand how to channel this dogs energy into acceptible forms of behavior rather than aggressive behavior. an understanding of the dog natural insticts will pay off 100 times over and any dog who is properly protection and obedience trained, well socialized, well excercized , in a loving home where the owner understand full well his/her responsibilities should never have a problem .. you ALWAYS have to be aware of your dog.
You and YOu alone are responsible for your dogs actions.
If you have a problem with an aggresive dog in your home PLEASE contact a master trainer specialized in aggression RIGHT AWAY .
If you have a problem with an aggressive dog in your neighbourhood please contact the proper authorities ASAP | |
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allh2h
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Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 354 | |
| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/15/2006 11:31:48 PM |
ANY and EVERY dog regardless of breed has the potential to bite and be aggressive
Yes this is true and in all cases if an animal is INJURED...stay the hel away from its mouth! It does not matter if you are the owner or not, that animal is in pain and when in pain lashes out. Just like a human...it is nature. To me that is the only good time to use a muzzle on a properly trained dog. That is the only reason I have muzzles, they have big jaws...lol i want to be intact and not have there pain taken out on them because they bit me in reaction to me helping them. Although that has never happened and God willing will never happen,. Ido not know what I would do if they were ever hurt like that :( They are my babies... | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 9:19:46 AM | Well it seems maybe just maybe all the haters have stopped and have gone out and tried to learn something about our breed that we love and would do anything for.
So to the HATERS Please read this CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
My last pitbull (Chance) Was a 95lbs male bloodline was Colby.
I gave him to my ex g/f cause her kids loved him so much and WOW was he in awesome shape they played with him wrestled him and there was no biting by him what so ever unles it was his tug rope.My ex had one of her male friends over and they were wrestlen around she screamed so the dog went after him.NOW before you get your panties in a bunch over this saying se he attack and blah blah blah!!
Any dog would do this if the dog thought his/her owner was in danger if ANY dog didnt protect its owner then that is not a dog to me.
Now for some stupid reason she decided to have him put down for this with OUT contacting me about it.
Now I have no dog and BELIEVE me Im begging to have another chance at owning a pitbull again!!
So now you tell me there ya bunch of haters If it was any other dog would you all be B!TCHEN so much? I highly doubt it.
I lost my dog cause he was PROTECTING his owner.
Tell me how fair that is!!
You dont like our breed and thats fine BUT atleast get your facts straight before you make yourselves look even worse!! | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 356 | |
| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/16/2006 10:45:24 AM | ^^^^  want me to beat her up for you??
.......I've had cats that were also very protective...my mom has a cat that growls at people that she doesn't like.....we think he was a dog in another life
I had a friend who had a huge brindle pit.....named capone.........his name didn't suit him; because he was so sappy........the worst thing he would do was pee all over the place when you pet him..because he was so excited when he got attention. Ever see a pit bull pout? Thats what he would do when I took him for walks........and people wouldn't come near him because they were scared........ | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 10:57:53 AM | | ^^^ Wel she does live near you lol Naww She has to deal with what she did and i think in time it will hit her hard and besides she went back to her ex hubby so I think thats good enough for me lol But I sure miss him he was family an now I search for a new one | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 11:25:21 AM | BEING A PIT BULL OWNER.. It is all about how you raise your dog. My Pit is a female Who Has a distemperment of a poodle. Meaning I TRAINED HER RIGHT. I have not only Vocal commands but also Hand and sound. Yea its a little Harder to do sometimes but when it comes to Other peoples Safty and animals. I know My dog WILL NOT GO NUTS!!! Also it sounds Like theres ALOT of Inbreading going on, Meaning you bread a Male with a Female And their Blood line crosses Even as second or third cousin it will become agressive. Plain and Simple facts are if you raise the Pit bull to be agressive it will eventually Loose all controll. If you raise it like its a Chiwowa it will be Loyal and Mellow. Yea I do agrea they can be a Dangerious breed but its the Owners FAULT Due to not Knowing How to properly TRAIN the dog. If ya want more info look up www.Bullregistry.com ther is all sorts of info there on NON AGRESSIVE PIT BULLS, and How to properly train a PITBULL. I for one believe a PITBULL is the most loyal dog out there. Even better than a Rotty or a German Shepard. So as for all you who HATE Pitbulls you need to evaluate your own dogs behavior and training First. EXAMPLE. I walk my dog Daily and when passing other dogs that are TUGGING and Choking themselves. My PITBULL Don't Tug, She causuly walks by just looking at the STUPID DOG without propper training.
PROUD PITBULL OWNER | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 11:55:10 AM | To Delyful:
Ok... I'm just making sure... because just trained is one thing.. protection training is another ...very very different. There is very few owners I know that have a guard dog who is properly trained to do the assigned task ... and this is how they get into trouble | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 1:18:48 PM | ^^^ Bingo!
It takes a lot of hard work to train the dog properly. Took me 1 year to get Rocky under full control.. Once he was trained he was great.. He had little kids hugging & pulling on him & when he was bored of that, he would roll over & fall alseep, while the kids still played with him, or atleast tried too lol
Some dip $hit that knew the dog (years after I was out of the picture) broke into the house. All was fine, the Rottie didn't care at all.. However the smaller dog knew he wasn't suppose to be there & she was barking at him & more then likely nipping him. We guess the guy hurt her & umm ya, that dog is like the Rotties mother (not really but you get the idea).. Lest just say when the owners got home, they spent all weekend cleaning up blood off the walls, floors, counter tops, fridge & livingroom... It was easy to pick out who brok into their house, as it was a SMALL town & the guy was litterly bandaged up like a mummy!! He had over 200 stitches & lost muscle in his arms, legs & near his groin. He was a horrid mess!! No body tried to charge anyone, as the guy was now defigured for life & the guy knew if he fessed up, he would be charged from B&E. We just laughed at the guy everytime we saw him walking downtown lol
My old dog, was never trained for protection, as I wanted more of a family pet then anything, but I wanted him to also protect me if I needed him. So what I did was trained him to obey me 100% when it came to heal, run (meaning move your butt in said direction), left, right, whats that (meaning to focus attention on said object/person/critter), come, stop (meaning stop whatever your doing & look at me for a command). Before training... He was 6mths old & my 8yr old sister was walking him in the campground. 2 men asked if they could pet him.. they couldn't get near my sister as he turned wild (not really a good thing, but he didn't even try to over power my sister). At 2yrs old he had the basic commands down (he was just a pet dog then).. a guy tried to force his way into our home.. the dog went ape $hit, but didn't over power my grip on him.. the guy was warned & he refused to back off & tried to breakdown the 1st door to the porch.. I let the dog go... the dog trashed the door & the wall, ripped off the blinds & slobbered all over the windows.. the guy ran off.. thats when I did the above training casue he refused to obey the come command when he was riled up like that (not a good thing at all)...
The last year I had him (he was 9yrs old) dad & I were playing "lets lock dad out of the house". Well I locked the front door, dad ran to the back door, so I locked that one (he doesn't have a key for that door).. so he ran to the front to force his way in... My dog was sleeping on the couch & didn't even know dad was home.. Dad unlocked the door & stuck his arm through & started to tickle me.. Stupid me didn't realize the dog didn't know who was at the door (not the first time we've played this game), I yelled for Max.. well instead of barking & pulling on my shoes in play, he bit my dads arm & ripped him through the door & shook him like a rag doll.. I yelled STOP & he released asap & focused on me, then realized he had attacked dad. Dad praised him & so did I (he really didn't do anything wrong), there was NO blood & not a scratch on dads skin. Sure his shoulder popped out then went back in & he had huge black bruses, but the dog was not trying to kill him, only stop him from hurting me.
^^ If people tought their dogs properly deaths & horrible maulings wouldn't happen. My dog was even stabbed in his own yard & didn't harm his attacker as he wasn't trained to attack someone like that. Neighbours kid called the dog & when he looked over our fence he saw blood everywhere. He ran & got my dad a block away & the vet said it was a knift as it was a clean cut. Vet was suprised at the location & how well he behaved when the vet poked at it. The dog wouldn't harm a fly when it came to him being hurt, its just me & my family members he was protecting about oh & the rabbit lol
My dog was a Lab, Rottie & Pit Bull mix.. his coat looked like a lab, but he was tall & BUILT.. he had super strong jaws, as at 10yrs old he could clamp down on a rope & I could spin all 80p of him in the air, he could drag 200p of dead weight, run like lightning, jump 20 feet into the water & 5 feet up. Very smart fella & so gentle.. he caught a bird once & he spit it out, licked it & watched it fly away...befriended a wild cats (he had way too many wild cat friends!!) & allowed a tot to litterly rip his P.ecker off!!
If he wasn't murdered by my mother I know he'd still be the best dog on earth! | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 2:06:28 PM | Yes... Kingrattus I agree... a well trained dog is a fantastic thing.. but when it comes to protection training.. WHOLE different story ... This means the difference between someone being mauled or simply someone who will be prevented from carrying out the harmful business which they came for .
A protection trained dog will know how to discriminate on their own ( when owner not in picture ... because often they arent !!!) and will know how to accomplish the task with minimal force.. unless required.. and the least amount of damage possible. Often requiring none. This type of dog will be able to play mind games with a potential predator which is most cases is all that's needed.
Very few owners who use a dog as a guard go thru this type of training... maybe 2 % . Obedience training is great and you may THINK you have your dog under control but an adrenalized dog is not the same as your " buddy" who gives you kisses at home and listens to you at home. It's almost like temporary insanity for a dog...
and can mean the different between a lawsuit or no lawsuit for YOU...... | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/16/2006 2:06:34 PM | I wrote a few things on page 13. I know a vetinarian with 2 pit bulls. She put together the pit bull walks in protest to the killings of innocent pit bulls in Colorado. I told her what was going on in this forum about pit bulls. She sent me something she wrote. I got her permission to show it. For those who want to base thier opinions based on facts and knowledge, and not anger, fear or ignorance then please read her wisdom:
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It is 1985 and I am in my third year of veterinary school at UC Davis. I find my values and ethics being challenged to the limit. I want to be a good vet. I want to heal animals. And damn it, I want to save their precious lives! We are being taught how to perform medical procedures and surgeries on real live dogs that are to be sacrificed when we are finished. Even more tragic, the gentlest dogs to work with are not killed and instead are rewarded with a promotion to become guinea pigs for the medical research department. This is how I meet Petey, named after the dog in the Little Rascals. Petey was a Pit Bull. Petey won my heart. Petey was liberated the day I graduated. I had told him to hang on and I would get him out and I did.
Petey and I spent the next 5 years together celebrating our survival. We had summoned our strength and courage to endure the cold realities of a teaching hospital on a mission to train future doctors. And while my psyche was permanently damaged by the unquestioned ethics of animal experimentation, Petey went on to live a happy, untroubled life.
Denied the protective arms of the respected human-animal bond, Petey’s life had not been cherished and valued. His dog life was stolen and yet Petey only wanted to forgive. So, why does a dog give four years of his life to humans who see him only as a lab animal and not fight back? The answer is simple: this remarkable dog modeled the traits of his true pedigree. Traits that show the American Pit Bull Terrier to be a courageous dog, used in law enforcement activities and search & rescue missions. Traits that show this breed to have a good temperament around people and therefore to be worthy of our trust and admiration. Traits that have proven these dogs to be resilient canine athletes, trained for strength competitions and winning awards in the ring for agility. So, what the hell happened? How have Pit Bulls become so feared by society that they have been condemned in cities across the county and are waiting to die in animal shelters? A depressingly sad, disgraceful example of how animals once again suffer at the hands of those who have failed to see the real problem; a society of the mentally blind who find it easier to discriminate than to ask questions.
When you study all the facts leading up to dog attacks on a human or another dog, there is always a history of human neglect, abuse and owner irresponsibility. In addition to neglect and abuse, many of these dogs have been trained to be aggressive towards humans in order to protect the unlawful activities of criminals. Others have just been left tied up in backyards, denied human companionship and early dog socialization, both leading causes of aggression in a dog regardless of breed. Devoted canine companions or killers? Unquestionably, the fate of every dog is determined by human intent. Dogs that have been touched only by hands of human kindness and understood by an open mind show us the true meaning of that popular phrase: “man’s best friend”. However, in a society that fails to protect the lives and welfare of its companion animal population, human greed and ignorance are becoming the domestic dogs’ worst enemy.
It is time to tell the truth. It is time to admit that breed bans are dangerously discriminatory. Time to admit that ignorance and fear have stolen the rational minds of our lawmakers. Time to question the sanity of killing an animal that means no harm simply because it looks like or is a Pit Bull. We all live with danger every day. Women live with the fear of being beaten by their boyfriends and husbands. Children suffer at the hands of pedophiles. The innocent teenager is killed by a drunk driver. Is it rational to condemn all men as a danger to women, all adults as child molesters, and all car drivers as killers? Of course not. We must seek to educate and practice crime prevention. Crime is a failure of society, not a breed of dog!
Here, inside the pages of this book, are the stories that do not make the six o’clock news. These are the stories of bravely optimistic people who saw a dog in trouble, not the shape of its head. They heard the cries for help, not the voices of fear. They fed starving dogs. They took injured dogs to the vet. They opened their homes to the homeless. They are my heroes. They give me hope…
Dr. Paula Terifaj, DVM | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 2:11:53 PM | Been following & reading all the pitbull HORROR stories here for a few days....now its my turn. Not a pitbull , but 2 rotties. In my business, i clean up rental properties & do alot of demo work. A friend of mine asked me to clean up one of his rentals, i knew the people had rotts. He told me they had been gone 2 weeks,O.K. I stop by one day (with my 8 week old pit pup,who i took everywhere). I let "Chance" down & started to walk around the side of the trailer (he always stayed right behind me)As i was walking between trailer & fence, this 100#+ male Rottie comes charging out from under the trailer,after the pup. I jumped between them (thinkin im gonna have to take some teeth & kill this dog)(btw ive had a little training in dog attacks & how to deal with large, aggressive dogs).Rott turned his attention to me,Chance scoooted under my truck.Luckily for me & the Rott i was just out of reach of the LOGGING CHAIN he was tethered with. Now im trapped in the back yard,IDEA, go around the side & jump the fence. NOPE MOMMA Rott was comin out the window to the side yard when i got there. SHEEEEEEEYYTE!!! , i got nowhere to go, but UP. I had to scale the back of the trailer, run across the roof to the front & jump down off the roof. Chance was waiting at the truck.....NOW, am i pissed at the Rotts, or the IDIOT that left them there for 2 weeks WITH A LITTER !? Told my friend the dogs where still there & what happened. What did he do? Found the momma & pups good homes & took the male to his house.(3+ acres & 3 other Rotts to play with). Now when i go over there, all 4 of his Rotts,1 australian shephard,2 chihuahuas,& 1 potbellied pig race to try & get the first pet & scratch from me. When its time to go.....have you ever tried to get 4,100#+ Rotts out of your truck so you can go home? Am i scared of Rotts cuz of this? HELL NO i think theyre the goofiest dogs next to my pits that there are. Ive also got a customer that has a poodle that bites me EVERYTIME i go there EVERYTIME. Guess hes lucky i wear workboots & levis Cuz all we can do is laugh our asses off when i leave, draggin him by one leg tilll i get to the gate. My point here is. Quit trying to put your fears into law, there are ENOUGH laws that dont get ENFORCED. Do we really NEED another one? Deal with your issues,people TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions & your INACTIONS (i.e. training your animal). PEACE | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/16/2006 2:19:30 PM | Damn I would have been freaked to seeing that hound comen at me too lol
BTW Great name for your pit.
SEE PEOPLE Its not JUST pitbulls its other breeds as well if you are NOT a good owner ANY dog can be mean to any one for any reason.
NOW these rotti's have good homes there babies HMMMMMMMM I wonder why???
Any HATERS wanna guess??
Here I will help you out Because they now have a good and proper OWNER! | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 2:38:04 PM | ^^^... Yup... in the first case these dogs were victims of their environment... chaining a dog up in your yard and leaving it out there day in and day out is ABUSE !!!.. This is mental TORTURE for a dog... yet after all that has been done to them ... they are the first ones to forgive ....
Something to think about ... The only viscious animal is the humans.. not the dogs. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 2:49:09 PM | | Our baby is a pitbull, and never RAISED that way. She wasn't even allowed to play rough. Now she eats french fries from my 2 1/2 year old mouth!! And she is so gentle with my son who is only ten months old! | |
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allh2h
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Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 367 | |
| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/16/2006 2:49:56 PM | | It is good those rotties found a good home...they are sooo adorable and lovable...all dogs are if you give them the proper training and a CHANCE!!!! Good name by the way :) | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 3:17:36 PM | I am the proud owner of a pit bull, who doesn't know he's a pit bull. He is like a little person with fur, and whilst I am home he never leaves my side, even if i go out into the yard then wonder back in there he is. He sleeps on my bed and should I have a friend over, is frantic to find them a toy. He loves other people and is afraid of 'loud dogs'!. Please reaslise that when owning a pit you have to realize the needs, these dogs are highly active and need lots of excercise, unless you are able to provide this, I would re think your choice. I love my dog, he even loves me on a bad hair day!!!!! | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/16/2006 10:09:49 PM | Our baby is a pitbull, and never RAISED that way. She wasn't even allowed to play rough. Now she eats french fries from my 2 1/2 year old mouth!!
I hear ya Nah. Tytin (my Pitty) rarely gets carried away and growls, when we play tug-rope. But, if he growls, he's "grounded" from his tug-rope for a couple hours....while he cries and whines...poor guy.
Tytin takes potatoe chips outta my mouth too. He's sooo gentle. Funny how an animal that big and strong can, at the same time, be sooooo gentle....when he needs to be. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2006 3:45:48 AM | | You should never pat any strange dog!........didn't her momma tell her that, its not that they can tell you if they are having a bad day, or am still waiting to be fed and maybe havn't been walked for a couple of days! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2006 3:52:16 AM | I am the proud owner of Garcia, who thinks he's a kitten despite his fearful look!......I thought your story was a little sad, but I don't understand how come you gave him you X in the first place, don't you think he would have been better off with you?
I love my dog and hate it when I go to the park, its like people run the other way.........I am sure it hurts his feelings as well as mine!............. | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/17/2006 8:03:46 AM | When I take my two small dogs to the park (Westies) I'm cautious around pitties. Or any prey-driven dog, for that matter. It's not because of their dogs, or their media-driven image. It's mostly because I'm aware some are very dog-aggresive because of a high prey drive. If the owner walks towards us with his/her dog/s then obviously the owner believes their pet to be socially adept and I wait for the pittie to come to us. I watch the body language of both, and especially the appearance of the owner, and fi the pittie has a muzzle. A muzzle, in Ontario, tends to make a clear distinction between the good owners and the bad owners.
Other than dog aggression, approaching dogs is based solely on what the owner does. DOes the owner shorten the dog's lead? Does he pull the dogs close because he's afraid of them snapping? Does she tell teh dog to be good? These owners may be preventing a dog from jumping on someone in the sense of just jumping due to happiness. My own dog likes to jump and it scares people who are really afraid of dogs, so around people, I keep her close. But my westie doesn't really pose a threat. It's the same for -any- breed. Owners know their dogs, and if they don't, they shouldn't have a dog. If someone says their pittie is the sweetest, most ****-cat like dog, I believe them. And I trust the dog based on that. | |
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allh2h
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Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 373 | |
| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/18/2006 12:32:50 AM | “Ever see a pit bull pout?”
LOL, oh yeah, too funny.
Oh yes...hahaha soooo funny, they are soooo cute.
Dogs jumping on you...if you ever meet my heidi. Imagine this: She has the head of a pit, the body is the build of one-she is 35lbs though, but she is the size (as far as height) as a big dauschaund (her daddy's a daschaund) Oh her snout and teeth...yes all pit and mastiff (her momma is half bull mastiff 1/4 pittbull and 1/4 hound) She comes running at you teeth barred, sounding like she is a pure bred mastiff breed and jumps on you (unless I have on her leash, but as she is a "rude" dog, no manners, she always is on a leash in the company of others) Then proceeds to lick you until you giggle. She is a big little lover but looks and sounds so mean and intimidating. I have never been able to break her of the jumping on people. So when we walk by people I do the, tug back on the leash, heal, telling her to "leave it" or be good. Not that she is a "bad" dog or will bite you or attack you (unless you are intending to harm me or mine) but she has no manners and I do not want people to be afraid of her, because she is so lovable, she just has a big mouth and shows it. My neighbor once described her as the dog with ADD and my friend says she "is the most annoying dog until you get to know her then you realize she is just so lovable" SHe is great, but I have to keep her on "a short leash" due to her manners, or lack there of. | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/19/2006 7:34:56 AM | | ^^ Cyrus had a horrible issue with jumping. His owner didn't know hoe to teach him to stop.. I solved it in a month (only took that long as I don't see the dog all the time). I GENTLE (& I mean gentle) knee to the chest when the dog jumps up, works... You can incrase how hard you knee the dog, but the dog should never yelp!!! If he yelps you did it far too hard.. its just suppose to make the jumping unpleasent to the dog. Also follow the knee with the command SIT. Once the dog sits, pet the heck out of him!!! Cyrus hasn't jumped on me in weeks.. he thought of it a few times, but changed his mind & sat quickly & woofed at me lol | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 375 | |
| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 6/19/2006 8:39:58 AM | | ^^^thankyou for posting that...........I HATE it when a dog jumps on me...........and the owner thinks its cute.........it isn't, no matter how small the dog is. | |
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