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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 3:44:24 PM | I am from Louisville, Ky and they are trying to put a ban on Rots and pits. An elder was mauled mowing her grass. She did not survive. I have a rot. She is protective in nature. At 80 lbs she could mess someone up. She was locked in a cage for two years so she is aggressive. It is the owners responsibility. I socialize her frequently and always keep a muzzle on her. She has come a long way. She is starting to trust people. It is all about the owner. Never put a dog in a situation that they can hurt someone. I see all types of aggressive dogs and the rots and the pits get a bad rap. They are built like brick shit houses so people are intimidated by them.
Thought I would speak my mind,
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 3:45:51 PM | Perhaps the fate of a dog that bites should be left in the hands of the victim, or their family. If the dog breaks the skin, then it would be considered a bite...and the victim gets to dictate what happens to the biter!
Condemend to go to China for its rightful place on the menu could be an option. A lot of dog raisers are shipping animals there for that purpose. The old "puppy farm" is still in business...just not so much so for pets now.
We don't yell about the people that raise horses for their meat...why should we be so down on dogs because some use them for their meat? Same with cats. Some find it terrible that some people use these animals for meat...but you have to stop and think for a minute...somewhere, someone thinks you are disgusting for eating the animal you are eating. Example...Hindu....might think you eating beef is totally gross and disgusting. Moslems may think you eating pork in all its forms is totally gross. Central Americans might be wondering why you are keeping that guinea pig rather than eating it. It is all a matter of geography and culture. Being a culturally diverse section of the world, do we not have to take into consideration their cultures and tastes too? Many would argue "No!...they have to conform to OUR standards and values!" But just what are "our" standards? Does it include diet? Hmm...I think not. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 4:31:20 PM |
im completly for this ban...and all breeds of mean dogs and figthing dogs. Its in thier nature to be aggressive...yah you can train them all you want..but they can snap and bite at a loving owner or a kid givign it a hug...i have seen it in the news...
I am aganst breed specific bans they don't work. people who want mean dogs will get them. Kinda like guns it's not the weapon but who is behind it.
Pitbulslar esome of the most loving dogs out there. They just adore their families. However they come with certain tendancies. One of these is animal agression. A smart APBT owner knows this and act slike his dog is animal agressive at all times. My pit is a certafied theraputic pet. H eis as friednly as the day is long towards all things on 2 legs. However he is darth vader vs 4 legged critters. This does not make him deservign of death. It makes him deserving of an owner who love shim enough to keep him out of trouble depsite his antural tendancies to look for a scrap.
Fixing the pitbull problem is easy. make people get licensed if they wish to own a alrge powerful breed (Pitbull, Akita, Sheprard, Caine Corso, Dog Argentia, Americna Bulldog, Rottweiler, Doberman, Dalmatian etc) A colored lamianted picture ID you ahv eot carry at all times. No license the dog gets sezied and destroyed. Make the licence bree dspecific and have reputabl e breeders issue certificate sof completion on breed knowledge and basic dog owership and obeidance. Then require a renewal every year and renewal bieng dependant on the dog completing a modified canine good citizenship course. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 4:31:56 PM |
im completly for this ban...and all breeds of mean dogs and figthing dogs. Its in thier nature to be aggressive...yah you can train them all you want..but they can snap and bite at a loving owner or a kid givign it a hug...i have seen it in the news...
I am aganst breed specific bans they don't work. people who want mean dogs will get them. Kinda like guns it's not the weapon but who is behind it.
Pitbulslar esome of the most loving dogs out there. They just adore their families. However they come with certain tendancies. One of these is animal agression. A smart APBT owner knows this and act slike his dog is animal agressive at all times. My pit is a certafied theraputic pet. H eis as friednly as the day is long towards all things on 2 legs. However he is darth vader vs 4 legged critters. This does not make him deservign of death. It makes him deserving of an owner who love shim enough to keep him out of trouble depsite his antural tendancies to look for a scrap.
Fixing the pitbull problem is easy. make people get licensed if they wish to own a alrge powerful breed (Pitbull, Akita, Sheprard, Caine Corso, Dog Argentia, Americna Bulldog, Rottweiler, Doberman, Dalmatian etc) A colored lamianted picture ID you ahv eot carry at all times. No license the dog gets sezied and destroyed. Make the licence bree dspecific and have reputabl e breeders issue certificate sof completion on breed knowledge and basic dog owership and obeidance. Then require a renewal every year and renewal bieng dependant on the dog completing a modified canine good citizenship course.
The licence revenue coudl go to animal shelters and adoption services. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 5:04:13 PM | Maybe it is the media, but most attacks I hear of are from Pits, as we call them.
For the past two weeks, I have heard of two attacks, one was a woman killed, another was a man attacked by three of them.
Police shot at the dog during attacks and it does not release its grip, is it fair to blame all pits because some have attacked humans or other animals, no it isn't.
Heres a radical idea muzzle your dog around people or face a fine. If you take the dog for a walk muzzle it, simple as that, yet it doesn't happen.
All dog breeds do attack or have that propensity, as one poster mentioned their dog saving them from getting beat up, any dog will do that if you take care of it, or if it senses danger to a loved one.
Does one breed attack more than others yes, pits and roths just check the stats with the CDC.
Some dogs have a boxer mentality, you can feed a boxer steak all day and massage their body as well as their mind...but when the bell rings watch out. | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 5:05:54 PM | | Ban the pit bulls, ban the rottweilers...they are only animals and cannot be trusted. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 5:06:17 PM | | i dont think they will ever ban any dogs, too many people love animals. (i left my dog with my parents in the country, where he belongs). however i think pet owners should carry an insurance policy on any risky animal, that should cover any expenses that animal may incur whether it be biting to mauling. the animal should only get one strike -if they bite unprovoked, they should be put down. also the owner should be held responsible for that animal, just as if they committed the assult themself. people should be allowed to have pets. -they should also take responsibility for them. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 5:37:45 PM | Maybe it is the media, but most attacks I hear of are from Pits, as we call them.
It is the focus, I think. Pits are the bad boys du jour. Yesterday it was Rotweillers. And remember Dobermans? | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 6:43:13 PM |
Ban the pit bulls, ban the rottweilers...they are only animals and cannot be trusted
There ya go, that's the answer to the problem isn't it! What an absolutely ludacris and stupid comment. Any animal is perfectly capable of turning and attacking people. Have you ever had you ankles bitten by those we refer to as "ankle biters?" They're called that for a reason, but should we start to ban them too? I don't think so. Banning any animal is not only a moronic fix, but a stupid idea to try to rectify p!ss poor handling and a complete lack of training by the owners. There have been so many dogs accused of this, shepards, dobies, rotts, shar peis. Nearly every breed has it's share of bites and/or attacks on people, but should they have been banned? No! Banning a breed is not even close to being the answer, proper handling and training are. Granted, some people just don't belong owning a breed of dog that requires such extensive training and handling, but banning should not even be an option. | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 6:55:44 PM | ^^^
Preach it brother...
Hey u all... I don't know if I'm allowed to post here... apparently I was banned!!!
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Posted: 4/5/2006 7:23:26 PM | i hate to disagree when the evidence you present is strong but i as an owner of a pit bull must let you know that dogs are just like children, if you treat a child like crap and dont pay them any attention then they will most likley grow up to be underachivers and most likely menicing. it is the same with DOGS... not just pitbulls. if you are mean to your dog your dog will be mean. if you dont pay attetion to your dog your dog will be dumb and most likely mean. my real question is what should we do? kill them all? make them the "jews" of the canine world and just kill them cause of their breed? please. you must be a cat person. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 7:49:48 PM | Cougar no offence but your full of sh*t
im completly for this ban...and all breeds of mean dogs and figthing dogs. Its in thier nature to be aggressive...yah you can train them all you want..but they can snap and bite at a loving owner or a kid givign it a hug...i have seen it in the news...
That is one of the oldest and msot misudnerstood myths about pitbulls that they have locking jaws. They don't wha tthey do have like bull dogs, bull terriers and many mastiffs and other large breeds is a bite and hold trait bred into them. Ussaly for cath work with pigs and cattle. The do not lock their jaw they refuse to elt go. Kill a pitbulla dn the jaw muscles go slack and the bite releases. You can also use a break stick to force open thier jaws via a presure point behind the molars.
Heres a radical idea muzzle your dog around people or face a fine. If you take the dog for a walk muzzle it, simple as that, yet it doesn't happen.
That is a stupid idea. Muzzels ar edangerous to the dog any timethe temprature climbs. Dogs hav eonyl one way of cooling, panting. Muzzels inhibit this and can lead to heat stroke. They also get in the way of drinking water.
Does one breed attack more than others yes, pits and roths just check the stats with the CDC.
Some dogs have a boxer mentality, you can feed a boxer steak all day and massage their body as well as their mind...but when the bell rings watch out.
Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R
No offence but bite and kill are differnet words. You ar ealso assumign the two breeds ar einherently bad. However i would point out that these 2 breeds are by far the two most common breeds in America and ar ealso the preferred breeds of the thugs and bangers who need a dog triane dot attack and gun to feel like a man.
Although pit bull mixes and Rottweilers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.
Between the years of 1979 and 1998 more than 300 people were killed by dog bite injuries, according to dog bite statistics. Twenty five different canine breeds have been identified in fatal dog bite accidents. Rottweilers and Pit Bulls account for approximately half of all dog bite related fatalities. However, dog bite statistics reveal that mixed breed canine types are involved in bite injuries more often than pure breeds. Depending on the popularity of particular breeds, dog bite statistics change from year to year and from one part of the country to another.
There are certain canine characteristics that dog bite statistics indicate to be most common of dog bite perpetrators. Male dogs and those between the ages of one and five years tend to bite more often than female dogs or dogs that are older than six. Dog bite statistics show that unaltered canines are three times more likely to bite than their spayed or neutered counterparts. Dog bite statistics from the Center for Disease Control have found that a dog that is chained up is almost three times more likely to bite a human being than an unchained dog. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 8:17:31 PM | | i deal with all kinds of dogs from lil shitzu's to german sheperds, pit bulls, mastifss you name it ive never had a problem with them even the skittish ones. The problem is not the dog breeds but the DOG OWNERS. Simply put there are to many morons who pick the breed of their dog cus they think they look cool and dont take the time to either one famialiarize themselves with breed and some habits of them. Two they never take the time to train them or if they do they do such a piss poor job of it that its no wonder the dog is screwed up. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 8:18:18 PM | | Yup, bad breeding coupled with bad pet owners...i won't trust em, you can call me whatever you want. | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 8:40:29 PM | Dachsunds? They didn't breed them to be badger killers for nothing
I own a minature longhaired Dachshund ! Let me tell you they are fierce. My guy is named Rockie and he is the head honcho in my house with my other three dogs. Rockie is the smallest and the youngest. He is constantly digging to find moles and does not give up until he gets one. He is really cute sleeping under my covers in bed but if I even flinch a muscle he gets all snarly. Yes, Dachshunds probably should be on that list
I grew up in Baltimore City and there is a need to have a dangerous Breed Dog list. There are still Dog fights for betting in the back allies of Baltimore City. If someone is going to own a dog on the list they should have to have insurance and register the dog. Most home owners insurance won't cover a dog on the list. If the law places these demands on those that want these particlular breeds it will help keep these breeds out of the wrong hands. I don't have a problem with the breeds on the list. I have done a lot of rescue over the years and never had a problem with Pits or any of the other breeds on the list. A dog is the reflection of his owners personality and temperment. That is where the problem and solution lies. Keeping these breeds out of the hands that torment these breeds, to become viscious animals. Any Dog breed can be a danger when not in responsible hands. Dogs can be relentless when attacking. My sisters Chiwauwa is the nastiest beast on the planet but she thinks his nastieness is cute. She is also a very passive agressive person and should not own a dog. He has bitten many ankles and could probably cause serious damage to a child in a playpen if not death. All of the breeds on the list have been targeted because they are the breeds that have been known to attack. Unfortunatly many times these breeds are purchased for the wrong reasons and trained the wrong way.
I'm for the list and if any of my breeds were on the list I would pay the fees, liscensing and insurance. Remember it is a priviledge to own a dog not a right ! I tip my hat to those of you that have breeds on the list that have taken the time to train your dog properly.
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 8:50:18 PM | Apparently Pit bulls and Rottweilers are currently the "in vogue" breeds of dogs to own. With the urban "gotta look cool" mentality, these dogs are now sought after in greater numbers. This leads to an entire slew of uneducated and innexperienced dog owners who purchase these breeds because it is cool and it is what their friends are doing (or someone in a rap video). Some people also love the thought of owning a living, breathing, weapon that they can sick on an intruder or train to fight another dog in a ring.
I'm sure you are all aware of the pair of 120lb Presa Canarios that killed a 110lb lady tennant in a California appartment? Soon after this story circulated around, Presa Canario dogs were in higher demand and breeders started poping up out of the woodwork. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Pit bull owners (or any dangerous breed) should be trained, licensed and registered. To me, a dangerous dog is more dangerous than owning a gun since you can't think for the dog and control it. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:04:08 PM | Cougar no offence but your full of sh*t
im completly for this ban...and all breeds of mean dogs and figthing dogs. Its in thier nature to be aggressive...yah you can train them all you want..but they can snap and bite at a loving owner or a kid givign it a hug...i have seen it in the news...
That is one of the oldest and msot misudnerstood myths about pitbulls that they have locking jaws. They don't wha tthey do have like bull dogs, bull terriers and many mastiffs and other large breeds is a bite and hold trait bred into them. Ussaly for cath work with pigs and cattle. The do not lock their jaw they refuse to elt go. Kill a pitbulla dn the jaw muscles go slack and the bite releases. You can also use a break stick to force open thier jaws via a presure point behind the molars.
First off raverdad get the quotes right. before you go running to the add post section drolling like a roth.....I did not post the first post you quoted.
Second off you seem to follow me from post to post and I do respond to your posts, after I manage to interpret what you have said....please start using spell check..
I have had several breeds of dogs from labs to shepards to dobermans and yes even a pit...I had my first dog as a pet before you even set foot on this planet.
Although pit bull mixes and Rottweilers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.
T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998.
Do you stop to read what you post or just puke it out?...you try to discount what someone says then you reinforce it...
Again muzzles are good ideas for dogs,and not to mention some humans....don't be so obtuse, if you have a dog at home chained, it would be freaking stupid to muzzle him.
If he is going to be running around freely then muzzle it...or someone will get a muzzle loader and take care of it.
I am sure there are a lot of families, who wished some pit bulls had of worn muzzles before killing their loved ones.
Better yet you go tell someone who has had a a family member hurt or killed by a pit bull....that a muzzle will not allow them to drink water....
Sorry my dog attacked you, but it was thirsty... | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 9:29:51 PM |
Again muzzles are good ideas for dogs,and not to mention some humans....don't be so obtuse, if you have a dog at home chained, it would be freaking stupid to muzzle him.
If he is going to be running around freely then muzzle it...or someone will get a muzzle loader and take care of it.
Talk about obtuse
Fist off chainign a dog is crule and elads to more bites. A chained dog is three times more likely to bite than a loose dog.
Secondly. Taking an action tha tmakes the dog uncomftrable and can cause it to b ein danger of ove rheatign is not a solution. That slike handcuffing a 2 year old when you go to the store. Muzzels, electric collars and other torture devices are a way ot try and cheat. If dog owners were require dot take obeidnac etrainign with their pets there would be fa rless problems.
Thirdly, If you owned a pit you ar epart of the problem. If you don't understand the breed and it's tendancies and incliantiosn how can you possibly train it? You work with the animal and it's deisre to please you by doing things it already wants to do. This is one reaosn weight pulling is so popular in the legitmate APBT crowd. These dogs love to work and ahve anatural drive (gameness) second to none. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:42:53 PM |
You work with the animal and it's deisre to please you
Guess your right...I never had quite that close of a relationship with a dog..... | |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:01:18 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^You know you guys are not making sense. A dog can easily remove a muzzle if he wants to. I have a Borzoi which is a Russian Wolfhound, they are capable of hunting wolves and other large game. I also have two Salukis they are used for hunting Gazzle. Both these breeds as well as Mr Smoochie the Alpha Dachshund can hurt or kill someone. No dog should ever ever run loose. I spent $17,000 dollars on fencing in an acre with 6ft chain link to provide the proper space for my sitehounds to run and to protect them from jumping the fence. I can't tell you how many stray dogs come onto my property fence line. The other day there was a beautiful young Rottie. If you have any breed dog that is capable of killing a person or other animal it should Not run free, that's why there are leash laws ! It is not safe for the Dog or the Public. Dogs may be mans best friend if trained and contained by responsible dog owners.
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 10:06:37 PM | ^^^
Good points, but it also depends on the use for the dog... I have 2 staffs and
I taught them as babies about strange people and dogs and even cats and my
two girls are always under my control but are so friendly they might lick a
stranger to death.. I even had a break-in and they did nothing... they’re the
worse quard dogs... BUT that is how I raised them to promote there friendly
nature and not to fear strangers. I don't… so why should they!?!
That's Princess in the picture and you can see it in her face... see is friendly.
99... Ewwww how could you even think that!!!
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I like the idea a few posters have mentioned about
mandatory training for the dog owners.
Apparently Pit bulls and Rottweilers are currently the "in vogue" breeds of dogs to own. With the urban "gotta look cool" mentality, these dogs are now sought after in greater numbers. This leads to an entire slew of uneducated and inexperienced dog owners who purchase these breeds because it is cool and it is what their friends are doing (or someone in a rap video). Some people also love the thought of owning a living, breathing, weapon that they can sick on an intruder or train to fight another dog in a ring.
skyblueeyez...., I have to agree with your whole post...
right on the money and my feelings exactly...
Thanks
TDnSweet
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 10:14:49 PM | wow that is funny that I came across this thread cuz just a little while ago my neighbor came knocking on my door and asked me if these two pit bulls were mine that were in his backyard. I was like huh? cuz I just have a cat and I went over and looked at them. They were barking a storm and we kept our distance and I told him I remembered the brown one had gotten loose from the two story house down the road earlier cuz I ran an errand and had to stop as it walked across the street. My neighbor was upset and I could tell he was pissed. Those dogs were on the loose and being ferocious. I am not normally a guy that scares easily but these dogs made me want to stay inside.
I agree that yes, dogs are like children. If you raise them right, the dog will be docile whether a Yorkie or a Doberman. But raise them wrong, and even the Chihauha (sp?) will try to bite someone's head off (and I know because I seen it lol, little dog!) I am not sure a breed specific ban is the solution here. Common sense will tell someone when a dog is dangerous and needs to be moved out of the city. | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/5/2006 10:32:30 PM | | i was bit by a pekinese when i was about 4.........they are nasty...but then i would be in a bad mood too if i couldn't breathe.....i have known 3 or 4 pitbulls....very affectionate....one thought he was a lap dog....... | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/6/2006 12:12:54 AM | Any dog is only as dangerous as it was raised to be. I have been around many, many dogs of all types all my life. One thing that I have observed is that many small breeds are just as likely, if not more so, to bite and be aggressive as large breeds. The only difference is that small dogs are not strong enough to cause near as much damage when they attack, if they can cause any at all.When a small dog attacks, they don't usually send people to the hospital,let alone kill people......but that doesn't make them any less aggressive than big dogs. If a dog is raised properly,it will be a well behaved, gentle, loving,protective member of the family. The problem is that too many people raise them to be mean, mistreat them, and severely neglect them. Too many people don't realize that a dog, whatever its size, is not a toy to be played with only when you want to. A dog is a living thing with needs and feelings and requires attention, the same as you and me. When a person is treated the way many, many dogs are treated, that person is likely to become aggressive and dangerous too.
I used to have a grey wolf-sheppard hybrid. When I got him as a puppy, I went to the public library and I read everything I could find about wolves. I did this because, in order to raise a wolf (or any canine) properly, you must be able to think like one.You need to be able to think like one in order to understand why the animal acts and reacts the way it does....why it behaves the way it does. When you understand all that, then you will know how to get your canine display the appropriate kinds of behaviors.
Canines are not totally lacking in intelligence. They merely think in different ways than we do. If a canine is taught negativity, it will behave accordingly. The converse is also true. Raise a canine of ANY type with love and respect, it will do anything, up to and including giving its life, for you.....not because it fears you but because it loves you. | |
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