chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 101 | |
| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/7/2006 5:17:32 PM | | my aunt and uncle found an abandoned puppy.......didn't know for sure what he was; looked like he was a huskyX........was the most affectionate.........loyal dog i've ever seen.....even would rescue other dogs...i'm not kidding....and he put up with us kids wrestling with him........then; a friend of mine...his sister got a pure bred german shepard.......from a breeder(had papers to prove it).......she couldn't be trusted around kids....would nip at them........she eventually killed my friends dog..an akida x... by crushing his skull with her teeth......it was so bad........his brain was exposed......he laid there all day.......now tell me AGAIN why pure breds....from a breeder; are better than a mix.........go ahead. | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/7/2006 5:19:13 PM | ^^Ok. Purebred dogs from a reputable breeder are better because you know what you are getting.
You asked.... | |
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Posted: 4/7/2006 5:40:52 PM | i'll admit that i don't like pit bulls, i just don't trust them. that being said i don't blame the dog, i blame the pin heads who breed agressive dogs with agressive ****es, or who tease their dogs to be vicious. i had a rottweiler years ago and he looked very intimidating, but i raised him right and i socialized him to be around people and dogs. he was the biggest lap dog in the world. the answer is to get these irresponsible owners and throw their asses in jail, confiscate their cars, maybe their houses, hit them where it really hurts...
everytime i see someone walking a pit, its some punk gang banger wanna be trying to show how tough they are. there are some punk wanna be's that live across my ex's house (my former residence) who brought a pit puppy home and used to chain it to the tree in the front yard and tease it. the dog is now full grown and vicious and recently got out and bit a neighbor.
god forbid that, that my kids (or even my ex) were to get attacked by this dog. i'd shoot it, then i shoot the f*ckin owners. | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/7/2006 7:23:09 PM |
^^I assume you are a pit bull owner? So am I. They are not all dog/other animal aggressive.
I have owned 3, and none of them were.
Ye si owna pit a former game dog who wa snot put down becuase he was so gentle with people. You have lucked out so far, but just like guns better safe than sorry. Every pit has the gentic trait to be animal agressive. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2006 7:48:16 PM | You're a bit younger than me, and you haven't wasted your life studying veterinary medicine and taking care of dogs, as I have.
Trust me, I don't have much to show for it.
Dogs aren't guns. They are living creatures with predictable personalities.
There are pit bulls which are perfectly safe around other dogs.
Keep owning pits, and don't die young, and you will realize that. | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/7/2006 7:54:51 PM | | you know i read your ad on pitt bulls i don't think you should be so harsh to them i think you wanna punish someone punish the owners for doing such a louzy job with their pets i was in ottawa once and i walked up to an unfamiliar pitt bull and he just sat there and let me pet him my friend told me i was crazy so ya they can be very sweet loving dogs but the owners of these aggresive dogs need to go to obedience shool seriously no joke cause its their fault the dogs they're like children they don't know any better and i heard what you did to your australian shephard dog not cool man you could have just taken him to obedience school you know there was no reason you had to put him down you had an option but you chose to do the wrong thing people like you make me sick to my stomach you don't care about helping the poor dog when you recognize aggresion you just think about your family but your dog was also part of your family i guess your human family meant alot more to you then your dog | |
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| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/7/2006 8:21:28 PM | | i think owners need to grow up and take responsility for their pets animals depend on us to teach them the right way most owners dont understand that damn right i'm writing on this topic again cause it really pisses me off how people have no responsility i mean people have more responsility for their kids then pets and that is not right it should be 50/50 and i beleive if you just spend good time with an aggressive dog such as a pitt bull playing with it loving it and just being with it and take the dog away from the owner cause owners like that don't deserve the dog treat your dog the way you want to be treated so i say don't hate the dogs hate the owners of these dogs take them off let the owners cry their sorry asses off to sleep maybe it would knock some sense into them | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/7/2006 8:42:56 PM | | IAM A DOG LOVER AND ITS THE OWNERS WHOM ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACIONS OF ITS PETS,WE MUST REMMBER ANIMALS DONOT ACT OUT OF MALICE OR OTHER EMOTIONS ITS A CREATURE OF HABIT,TAUGHT TO BE AGRESSIVE AND MEAN BY ITS UNINFORMED AND DISRESPECTABLE OWNER,WE AS A SOCIETY FIND WAYS TO BLAME THE TOOL INSTEADE OF THE OPERATOR MEANING PETS DO WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT EVEN THE BREEDS OF DOGS PEOPLE TEND TO THINK ARE SWEET AND CUTE CAN BE JUST OR EVEN MORE AGRESSIVE THAN FIGHTING BREEDS,BULLY BREEDS,. I THINK BANS ON BREEDS OF DOGS LEADS TO THE EXTINCTION OF ANIMALS THAT MAY BE JUST AS UNIQUE IN MAQNY WAYS.ITS SAD THAT THIER ARE SO MANY DOG ATTACKS IN THIS COUNTRY THIER SHOULD BE MORE STRICTER LAWS THAT PROHIBIT THE OWNERSHIP AND SEVERAL PERMITS ONE MUST PURCHASE BEFORE OWNERSHIP. WE MUST MAKE OWNERS MORE ACCOUNTABLE AND EVEN SOME BREEDERS WHOM PRODUCE THESE VIOLENT ANIMALS. PEACE ,LOVE AND BLESSINGS FROM WERETIGER | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/8/2006 12:36:59 AM | | The name Pit Bull came about because these dogs were used for fighting other dogs in pits so if your bred as a fighter wouldn't you fight .Just like labs were bred for use in water they love water. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 5:01:07 AM | | ^^They were bred to fight other dogs; they weren't bred to attack people. And dogfighting has been illegal for so long, many pits now have lost their aggression towards other dogs. Mine, for instance, likes other dogs fine. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 10:36:45 AM | | Until the pits etc that AREN'T attacking people get as much press time as the ones that do, ignorant people will still call for these stupid bans. I agree that the owner/person who raises the animal is the one who is accountable for what the animal does. Just like with kids, if you aren't going to do it right, don't have them at all. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 9:07:14 PM | | MSG 110 Drugs have been illegal for a long time and theres still people doing drugs .Fighting is a form of aggression which isn't easily controlled.Have you ever heard some one say oh he must smell my dog on me. | |
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boo2
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Joined: 3/13/2006
Msg: 113 | |
| Re: pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/9/2006 3:55:57 PM | ok i live in a city now where they do have a ban. First off people who blame the dog for no reason just cause of its breed , need slapped. Its how you raise it. I have a 16 yearold rotty/pittbull who i am proud to leave my child with. My son climbs the dog , pulls his ears and more. I have walked him down the street and have had small dogs bark and chase him. Its not just one certain bread that attacks its all kinds . You cant be judgemental on just one breed .I have had mine for 16 years never has he ever bitten charged etc.
last note its how you raise it...... | |
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Posted: 4/9/2006 6:02:33 PM | I love dogs and had one till 1-1/2 years ago when after 15 years I finally had to put him down. He was a Lab, Golden Retriever and Bovier x and was a well trained gentle dog that I could trust completely even when I was'nt around.
His breeding background made him an excellent all-round friendly and versatile dog, anybody that tells you that breeding does not have a strong impact on the dogs personality traits is wrong. Good training and how a dog is raised also play an important part. Pittbulls and to a lesser extent a few other breeds have been bred over the centuries to be aggressive, to fight and not to give up the attack, that's why Pittbull attacks are especially vicious and often make headlines. I often wonder why people get these type of breeds as a family pet, maybe they think it's cool to have a dog that's intimidating to the neigbours and has that "bad ass" reputation.
Bear, that was my dogs name was big, a good watchdog and as tough as they came but more important than anything else was always friendly to the niegbours, gentle to their children and pets. The smaller or more vulnerable the child or pet the kinder Bear was, the more aggressive or threatening something was the more aggressive He was. More than once Bear attacked another large vicious dog that was attacking people, There are some breeds and dogs that are the opposite and prone to join in the attack once they smell blood.
This is why I trusted my dog so much and why he made friends everywhere he went.
I miss the old mutt. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2006 7:20:02 PM | There is no such thing as a bad dog or breed!! THis ban is a bunch of shit.. The band is killing off some wonderful companions. I volunteer with a rescue group for dogs, and I believe that there is no such thing as bad breed, its just like people some of us have a few screws loose.. ( same with every breed of dog) The bite statistics is much lower in piutties than most other breeds.. Golden Ret.. higher bite rate,small dogs, now they are awful..
Anyone who owns a pet needs to be responsible owner and than the chance of incidence is much lower.. Owners take responsibility..
I am completly supporting the fight to end this band and to save the pits in need
Alison | |
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Posted: 4/9/2006 7:22:12 PM | Thats actually a bunch of crap!!! Breeder- stray or rescue dog,no guarantees.
I do own 3 pure breds,but I would never say its better and tempermant is good because of that.. I would say more chance of a dog with screws lose than a mix.. Some breeders are just not breeding quality dogs.. Just quantity.
Alison | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 117 | |
| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/9/2006 9:30:43 PM | | ^^exactly..that was the point i was trying to make with my post....some breeders ......breed for looks........not anything else. | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/9/2006 10:57:13 PM | I have owned Pit bulls a good part of My life...and they are a Breed of Dog that demands a good amount of respect..I would never own another Female Pit Bull again...they are very mean especially if they think one of their family members are being threatened......
Pitbulls are not a Dog to be owned by everyone..sadly The criminals,Drug Dealers,Pit Fighting is still active ...most of all, in many parts of Vancouver......It is a wider problem than just one owner....it is a city wide Problem,due to people not being educated on what they are getting...as a Puppy awww how cute.........full grown it is a different story...pit bulls were bred to have no empathy towards other breeds of Dogs.....The term bull did not come from pit fighting...It came from farmers and hunters using the breed to do what is called cow catching...in the 1800's pitbulls were also used for badger hunting which they excelled at because of their ruggedness.......some times the hunters showed up to only find the badger dead due to a broken neck,from the PitBull.
Pitbulls were bred for game...which they have a lot of....in the hands of the wrong Person they can be a lethal weapon........regardless.........it is not the breeds fault....it is the owners that are uneducated about the Breed is and realizing they are unhappy with it as it gets older.....
Pittbull remain a loyal Loving animal to Me.....Pitts that I do not know I'm very leery of...You always see the attacks in the news and hear "oh the Animal was raised with Love"....that is a pile of bullshyt..search the history of the dog that was involved in the attack and You will find abuse at the hands of it's owner at one time or another....
If it was not Pitbulls it would be some other breed in the paper...due to our human negligence...for example...the "Cane Corso"..Italian fighting Dog........these dogs make the PitBull breed look like a poodle when it comes to being mean........there is another dog that will be facing a ban if the bred gets into the hands of the criminals as I'm sure is already happening... | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/9/2006 11:16:50 PM | | I KNOW BULLDOGS, ALL BREEDS!! THEY ARE DOCILE CREATURES UNLESS PEOPLE MAKE THEM ACT OTHERWISE!!! ANOTHER BIT OF INFO.....DON'T KEEP YOUR DOG ON A CHAIN!!! PLEASE!!...I THINK ABOUT THE OLD DAYS......WHEN I SAW MEN ON THE CHAIN-GANG!!! DID THEY LOOK HAPPY AND LOVED???? I DON'T FRIGGIN' THINK SO!!! ~DOC~ | |
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Posted: 4/9/2006 11:39:52 PM | | Certainly these dogs have the potential to have a temper. It is also noted that the behavior is related to the owner of the dog and the person being attacked. These are two sides you don't hear in the media and the general public is usually going to listen to what the other 500 joe blows have heard and then sing the same tune. I have seen my neighbors pit bull break free from the chain and go to the ditch and bark at some lady on a bike, but only when she started to pickup and raise a stick did the dog attempt to come at her. The dog in particular is very well behaved, but when provoked it can be a real danger. Then again there are some other breeds that are exactly the same in the temper department. Some of the dogs in the pit bull breed have attacked without being provoked, but you most likely didn't hear them mention how the owner treated the dog. I have been attacked by one myself and I can honestly say that the owner didn't treat the dog as well as he could have. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:35:49 AM | "There is no such thing as a bad dog or breed!! THis ban is a bunch of shit.. "
I agree completely. Sure, my dog is half pit and half rot. The day I met him, BEFORE I BROUGHT HIM HOME AND AROUND THE KIDS I gave him a temperament test. Those who don't know how, run a search and you will find it. Very simple stuff, but these tests will tell you a lot.
"Certainly these dogs have the potential to have a temper." As do people.
"It is also noted that the behavior is related to the owner of the dog and the person being attacked. These are two sides you don't hear in the media and the general public is usually going to listen..."
And how many people are going to go to the media after being injured by a rat dog? Too embarrassed I guess, or just not enough shock factor. But it has been my experience that the small the dog the more hyper and likely to bite.
As far as whether or not to chain them, mine busted all of his when he was only about 5 months old. Only thing that CAN hold him is kevlar (spelling?). Of course, one word from me, as he is TRAINED, and no need for any leash. Even when the mailman came onto the property when both my dog and I were outside, he wouldn't budge even though the mailman was calling him over. Didn't even know the mailman was there until he called to me to tell me to give the dog permission to walk over to him and say hello. (First thing I did when I got him as a pup was introduce him to this man so they could "make friends", as he will be entering my property routinely, and I don't want the dog to bother him.) | |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 11:06:29 AM | I don't consider walking down the street as "provoking" an attack and if I was walking down the street and a Pitbull came charging out to the street barking at me I would start looking for the biggest stick I could find and if it attacked me I would kill it or at least try to and then charge the owners.
I see no reason why you should have a dog that is potentialy dangerous to the public given the right set of circumstances and without the victim realizing that they even did anything that the dogs owner says "provoked" their dog.
Pitbull attacks are among the worst and can be devasting to the victim causing permanment injury, I see no need to intimidate my neighbours with a dog with a bad reputation or to leave myself open to that kind of possiblity of a major lawsuit.
There are so many other breeds out there that are more predictable and less dangerous. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 11:23:05 AM | Hi Delytful,
My dog was also very hard to keep tied up.
Actually, nothing would hold him if he wanted to be free that day.
Not a cable run, 8' fence or 5/8" rope.
Right from a pup I new he was going to be big, powerful dog so I raised him to be a gentle, polite, well trained dog that was a pleasure to take anywhere and a danger to no one even if I was'nt around. He would go and visit the neighbours on the days he got free because he loved people and they would spoil him. The neighbours all knew "Bear".
But he would always be waiting for me on the back porch when I got home after work. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 12:27:59 PM | Bad dogs are not born, there is no genetic mutation present in certain dog breeds that make them turn against their owner or reach out and bite their latest victim. Bad dogs are created, usually by the people who raise them, less often by unscrupulous breeders who deliberately or unknowingly breed unsound temperaments to another unstable temperament. Every dog is a product of his environment. Every puppy born is born innocent of future charges levied against him by the public.
What's next..PittBulls,Chows..Rottweilers,Dobermans,German Sheperds...some of these breeds were born in War times and used in World War in trenches to chase the enemies
Pitt Bulls are not the only Dogs in history to attack. | |
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| pit bull dog ban
Posted: 4/10/2006 1:07:53 PM | Isn't it true, though, that certain breeds tend to be more aggressive than others? German Shepherds vs. Labrador Retrievers, for instance. And while there are small breeds that seem more aggressive than others, at least a small dog can only inflict so much damage - while a big dog with a large, strong jaw can really hurt someone.
I'm not a dog expert by any means, but there are certain breeds that I'm leery of. | |
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