| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/11/2008 4:16:27 PM | See there's some guys fighting at 205 that I'd like to see at HW, Forrest and Jardine being two of them, Bonnar a good third. They say Forrest walks around at about 230, 240...so hell...he's right in there. All these guys are exciting and would really add some energy to the division.
Lidell is a tough call. I mean, there are plenty of guys who could beat him sure...but he's fought so long and so well at 205... I mean he was the champ forever and beat his biggest rival in Ortiz, Couture and most recently Wanderlei. Fedor would be a REAL bad fight for Lidell though. I mean honestly, Fedor is so good, so quick and bear strong...it just wouldn't be wise for Lidell to counterpunch against all that. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/12/2008 8:40:29 AM | Criseh, could you elaborate on why you think Silva is the best? The only top MW guys he's beaten are Hendo and Franklin, and Hendo wasn't really a MW top 5 (Hendo had been fighting at LHW for a couple years).
Fedor has done better at HW, and GSP at WW, than Silva has been doing in his division. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/12/2008 11:20:58 AM | Silva is the best because he is still growing, he isn't at the top of his game yet he still completely dominates his opponents. I think he will sweep the UFC like he plans on doing.
Im actually a big BJ penn fan so this isnt just bias opinion | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/15/2008 2:11:23 AM | | Anderson Silva has got to be one of the best pound for pound fighters. He ground game is good enough to keep him out of trouble against some of the best grapplers in MMA. Even if someone like Lindland tries to grind out a boring lay and pray decision, in a 5 round fight that gives Silva 5 chances starting on the feet. I think thats more than enough chances for Silva to land something will lead to the end of the fight. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/15/2008 9:32:45 AM | What we're seeing with Anderson Silva is that just about any fighter can get a takedown on him. 4 out of his last 5 opponents got takedowns on Silva pretty easily. If the UFC matches Anderson up against a fighter who is also a BJJ champion (not just a Black Belt like Lutter or Marquardt), Silva can lose on the ground.
Demian Maia, Thales Leites, and Ricardo Almeida are all better than Silva at Jiu-Jitsu. If any one of them gets takedowns on him, then they'll have the advantage on the ground.
Anderson is Top-10 P4P, but there are lots of fighters ahead of him because his wrestling is still relatively weak. If you put a guy in there with better JJ and decent wrestling, that fighter will beat Anderson Silva. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/16/2008 12:19:07 PM | Unfortuantely, determining the best fighter isn't as simple and as rational as mathematics. For instance, just because Fighter A can beat Fighter B, and fighter B can beat Fighter C, it doesn't stand to reason that Fighter A can also beat Fighter C.
Sometimes one fighter simply has another fighters number (like Rampage has Chuck's), and other times it is simply a matter of who is having an on night or an off night.
I will say though that Anderson Silva is a devastating striker. I'm still in awe at his solid KO of Leban. Not that Leban is top rank by any means, but the guy has a jaw of stone and Silva sent him to the mat stiff and cold, in no time at all. And then there were his fights against Franklin, who is not only an elite level fighter, but also quite big for his weight class.
Could Silva beat Fedor???? Well, throw'em in a cage and let the chips fall where they may. Thats always the best indicator... the only real indicator. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/16/2008 12:38:57 PM | He's great, no doubt about it...I don't think he's number 1 P4P, but he's top 5, for sure. I'd put him number 2 myself, right after Fedor, and ahead of GSP, Penn, and Faber.
As far as Rampage goes, I don't think he should even be considered near top P4P status. He's got an obvious weakness against the Thai clinch, and I think Wand or Shogun would put it on him again.
A bit off topic there, but yeah...10 lbs of Fedor would beat 10 lbs of Anderson. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:49:41 PM | I would have to say Fedor has been moved down. He was the best but he has not fought anyone in the top 10 in the last 2 years and i think its been a waist.
No one has shown the domination Anderson Silva has displayed over his last few fights. GSP is great but he loses fights he should win, aka sara. I thought Dan Henderson could take him but he proved me wrong again...Who is left to fight him? the only guy i can think of that has a chance is matt lindal and he will not be fighting in the ufc.
There is no one else currently fighting that has looked as good as anderson right now. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/19/2008 10:30:49 AM |
I would have to say Fedor has been moved down. He was the best but he has not fought anyone in the top 10 in the last 2 years and i think its been a waist.
No one has shown the domination Anderson Silva has displayed over his last few fights. GSP is great but he loses fights he should win, aka sara. I thought Dan Henderson could take him but he proved me wrong again...Who is left to fight him? the only guy i can think of that has a chance is matt lindal and he will not be fighting in the ufc.
There is no one else currently fighting that has looked as good as anderson right now.
I agree that he's not fought anyone substantial, but I still think he would beat anyone right now. They've offered a fight against Fedor to Cro Cop, Barnett, and a few others...but they've turned it down. He's doing the best he can with who will fight him. He's not unbeatable, that's for sure, but he's so close it's scary.
I think Anderson has a weakness against a good wrestler. Henderson smothered him the whole first round of their fight...and for some stupid reason decided to throw in the second. If he would have sticked with his gameplan, I think he would have had a great chance of winning that fight. Not to take anything away from Anderson, but if he fights a great wrestler (Ex: Henderson, Lindland), they can pin him down for 5 rounds and grind out a decision. This is why I'm not totally counting out Okami when they fight again. He's a very underrated wrestler, and definitely has the strength to get Anderson to the ground and beat him up with some ground n pound. Most people are chalking this up as a walk in the park for Silva, but it might be a bit more difficult than everybody's thinking....as long as he sticks with the plan. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/19/2008 7:07:04 PM | | I think it is too soon to call him "the best MMA fighter". He might be, and he has definitely looked impressive, but I'm going to be patient and watch him fight some more people. He's had a nice string of wins, but I'd only put two of the fighters he faced since he joined the UFC in the top 5. For the most part, I think the 185lb division was rather weak when he joined the UFC. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/26/2008 1:17:17 PM | There's talk that Anderson Silva wants to box Roy Jones, Jr. under boxing rules.
MY GOD, THIS ANDERSON........ What hubris!
Make no mistake about it. Roy Jones Jr. would destroy Anderson Silva in a boxing match. RJJ would kill him. RJJ would knock Anderson Silva out in the first round. It's also notable that Dana White hasn't said anything about this proposed matchup. Even he knows that Silva would get killed in a boxing match with RJJ.
Here are the current Bodog betting odds on this proposed boxing match:
Roy Jones Jr (-2800)
Anderson Silva (+1400)
Anderson had better stick with MMA. RJJ may be old and over the hill, but he would still knock Anderson out in devastating fashion. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 3/26/2008 2:21:45 PM | Yeah, the boxing thing is a bit ridiculous. Being able to dance around while Rich Franklin is throwing punches at you is one thing....getting punched by one of the best boxers in our generation is a whole other level. The funny thing is, there's still people out there that like Anderson's chances in this fight!
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/14/2008 6:23:35 PM | Anderson Silva is fighting James Irvin this Saturday in a LHW non-title bout. We all know that Anderson is supposed to walk through Irvin; but something is not coming off right about this thing. I'm getting the sense that this will be an uglier, sloppier fight than we're all thinking. There could even be an upset (I won't be putting money down on that, though. )
I think that Anderson will be slower and less crisp because of the extra 20 lbs., but he won't gain an increase in power. This is going to be the fight where Anderson realizes that 185 lbs. is his bread-and-butter. A sloppy win does Anderson no good because it's not a highlight reel KO. I see a sub-par performance and a permanent retreat to the middleweight division. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/15/2008 2:19:35 AM | Hard to call that one. He's shown such huge dominance over the 185 division that a move up 20 lb might not be a big deal, but he really doesn't look like he has the frame for a light heavy.
And to the original question, define "best P4P". I think Silva's the best, at least in the division, if not among everybody, because of the spectacular nature of his wins over very strong opponents. Franklin, a premier striker and the dominant champion, got knocked out twice, badly. Henderson, a world-class wrestler and Pride champ, gets choked out. It's the sharpness and intensity of Silva that put him up there with the best, not his record. He is a supreme athlete - as sharp in the first minute as he is in the last- and a master of his techniques. For my money, it's a Silva fight over anybody- it's like watching a ninja in there. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/15/2008 9:36:51 AM | There's no question that Anderson is the best middleweight in the world, but I don't see him as the P4P best. If we look at Anderson's last 6 or 7 fights, the only guy he really beat who was a top guy is Franklin. Hendo is 38 years old and on the decline. Marquardt is an overhyped Pancrase champion who couldn't even beat Thales Leites while fighting dirty. Travis Lutter is an unmotivated, B-level fighter with no cardio. Beating Leben and Fryklund will not secure Anderson's place in history, either.
Right now, I would put Fedor, GSP, and Urijah Faber higher than Anderson on a P4P list.
James Irvin is actually one of the best fighters (next to Franklin and Hendo) that Anderson has fought in years. If Anderson destroys Irvin, then I'm ready to call him a top 3 P4P guy. He'll be #2 in the world after Fedor, (provided that Fedor beats Sylvia). | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/15/2008 11:07:25 AM | I don't understand, though, why put Fedor as the best. Just because of his record? Or performance? He certainly has not faced nearly the level of competition that Silva's seen, on paper, anyway. I mean, you can speculate whatever you want, the UFC is the top MMA organization in the world, and it attracts the top fighters. Only now Fedor will face Tim Silvia, who is a good overall fighter, but has become somewhat of a stepping stone in the division. Once Fedor wins a fight convincingly against a top fighter, then we'll see. So far, I've only seen him get his face smashed apart until he manages an ugly grapple and a submission on an opponent who looks unsure in the ground game.
The thing is, no matter how you rate the guys Silva's fought, the fact remains that they are the top ranked people around. Marquardt didn't beat Leites, sure, but he beat most everyone else. Hendo's age is not really a disadvantage to him, as all the people he took out in Pride will tell you- Wanderlei included. What it comes down is that the people who beat everybody else, when they got to Silva, they got beaten- and not just beaten, wiped out. Not grinding out a decision, not getting into a long battle, never being in danger- just submitting or knocking out the guys that proved to be the best.
Until Fedor puts on a few dominant displays against the top people in the weight class, I don't see how he could rank above a guy who has put on those displays. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:57:32 PM | I lol'd.
Nogueira - Twice
Mark coleman - Twice
Crocop
Schilt
Sobral
Arona
Mark hunt (Doesn't REALLY count though)
He destroys everyone he's fought, except maybe that one time he almost got ko'd by fujita, but he quickly raped him too. A guy who ****S UP Big NOG twice, backs up crocop (Who was a VERY polished striker) and owns a 7 foot giant is no joke, how can you even insinuate that this guys a can?
Dude fedor has the Best GnP, AWESOME sambo/jujitsu and INSANE ****ing hips; look at his movements. Plus he promised to have 3 fights within 6 months. People are dodging him left right and center.
He's amazing inside and outside of the ring.
Fedor is unreal. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/15/2008 9:52:40 PM | Fedor is a Destroyer. Fedor is the #1 fighter in the world until he gets beaten. Anderson Silva is not even the #2 or #3 fighter.
I agree with Jashaa about Fedor's Sambo skills. The quick, agile transitions are amazing. When you look at the Fujita fight, where Fedor goes from punching Fujita in the standup to submitting Fujita via RNC within 12 seconds-----that's what the #1 fighter in the world can do. Another example is the Randleman fight. Randleman suplexed Fedor on his head, and then Fedor scrambled and then locked a kimura on Randleman within seconds. That's what the #1 fighter in the world does. Those quick Sambo transitions put the hurt on guys. Admittedly, Fedor's last few fights have been against lesser fighters, but he absolutely destroys them. You can't do better than first-round stoppages---and that's what Fedor has done to his most recent opponents.
Anderson lost the first round of the Hendo fight and the first round of the Lutter fight, and had to play catch-up in both fights. Anderson is great, but hasn't shown the dominance that Fedor has shown for years. Fedor is the #1 fighter. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/16/2008 6:42:45 AM | Anderson lost the first round of the Hendo fight and the first round of the Lutter fight, and had to play catch-up in both fights. Anderson is great, but hasn't shown the dominance that Fedor has shown for years. Fedor is the #1 fighter.
I agree. Hendo gassed after the first round. Even Stevie Wonder could see who was gonna win once you saw both of them in there corners. Silva was breathing normal. And Hendo was gasping for air.
If he didn't gass. Silva was gonna have some serious problems. Doesnt mean he couldn't have taken him. But it would be trouble. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/16/2008 5:38:50 PM | Here's my P4P list, in case anyone is interested:
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Urijah Faber
4. Anderson Silva
5. KID Yamamoto
(Can't put BJ Penn on there yet because he was a washout at welterweight. If he gets a couple more big wins, then we can look at putting Penn on there.)
Marshall: Do you care to elaborate on why you think Anderson is better than Fedor, GSP, and Faber? All of them are proficient in wrestling in addition to their good striking and BJJ. Anderson has very limited wrestling chops. | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/17/2008 7:40:10 AM |
Marshall: Do you care to elaborate on why you think Anderson is better than Fedor, GSP, and Faber? All of them are proficient in wrestling in addition to their good striking and BJJ. Anderson has very limited wrestling chops.
O, and when was the last time those guys got subbed via "heel hook"? | |
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| Is Anderson Silva the World's Best MMA Fighter?
Posted: 7/17/2008 4:25:12 PM | With all the people rooting for Fedor, I wonder if it's the underdog draw he has going for him. He wins his fights, very nicely too, against bigger opposition (physicaly), and he takes a beating doing it usualy. Like it's been stated, getting suplexed on your head and bleeding out the eyes before winning a fight makes an impression. Silva, on the other hand, has not really been hurt or even in a really bad spot, outside that one time he made a stupid mistake and let overconfidence get him. He wins his fights convincingly, without getting hurt, and I think people aren't as impressed. But they should be.
Look, I'd love to say Fedor is the best, being Russian and all, but logic prevails. P4P best to me means unrivaled dominance in the ring over opponents of the highest caliber, and Silva's there. | |
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